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Bath Supporter Jack

Why So Many Evening KO?
02 January, 2018 13:06
Just going through and filling in my 2018 diary and we seem to have no end of evening KO!

Listing them


Wasps 7.45 (I know it has been)

Worcester 7.45

Scarlets 7.45

Benetton 5.30


NEWCASTLE 3.00!!


Ospreys 7.45

Saints 7.45

Newcastle 7.45


SALE 2.30!!!!


Quins 7.45


A couple a season are OK but the above is ridiculous(Sm57)

 
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shendy (IP Logged)

Re: Why So Many Evening KO?
02 January, 2018 13:19
Er, money?

 
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hasta (IP Logged)

Re: Why So Many Evening KO?
02 January, 2018 13:20
TV. kthxbai

 
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woodpecker (IP Logged)

Re: Why So Many Evening KO?
02 January, 2018 13:22
I remember they did a survey and the result was people wanted a mix of Friday and Sunday games, when was that, I think it was before last season and we got a good mix? Looks like we are back to the Friday night bias

 
TG Kesmo
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Re: Why So Many Evening KO?
02 January, 2018 14:50
It was at the end of last season after complaints especially from those who had bought junior season tickets. This season feels way worse - if you travel a distance as we do it makes getting home impossible by public transport.

 
Awp24975
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Re: Why So Many Evening KO?
02 January, 2018 16:40
Personally much rather Friday night games. Better atmosphere, gives me rest of weekend for local rugby and family time. I know it is inconvenient and annoying for some, but the more the merrier for me please!

 
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OutsideBath (IP Logged)

Re: Why So Many Evening KO?
02 January, 2018 16:55
Always prefer Saturday afternoon ko, but the advantage of Friday night is the Rec is a bit more lively than the usual atmosphere that resembles a library.



Tom Dunn - Adopted player 2018/19

 
BathMatt53
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Re: Why So Many Evening KO?
02 January, 2018 17:07
I actually think that the rec is quieter on a Friday night! More drinking and talking than supporting. The noisiest games that I can remember (the recent Toulon included, have been saturday avo). The Wasps game was noisy but that was mainly groaning.

 
Boldangrey
Boldangrey (IP Logged)

Re: Why So Many Evening KO?
02 January, 2018 17:09
Too much drinking and talking!

 
Montyuk
Montyuk (IP Logged)

Re: Why So Many Evening KO?
02 January, 2018 18:52
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Boldangrey
Too much drinking and talking!

Enough about the team. What are the fans like? smiling smiley

I prefer the Saturday afternoon games, but would rather have Friday night than Sunday afernoon.

 
B4thB4ck
B4thB4ck (IP Logged)

Re: Why So Many Evening KO?
02 January, 2018 18:58
I find Saturday afternoons quieter but the fans are there for the rugby, not the night out/stag do/freshers week etc.

 
Boldangrey
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Re: Why So Many Evening KO?
02 January, 2018 20:00
It's not the fans or the atmosphere it's the travelling

Sit in the rain for eighty minutes then ninety minutes travelling through Dorset on a dark December night after 9 o'clock is no fun.

 
Kidney Stone
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Re: Why So Many Evening KO?
02 January, 2018 22:34
This season does seem much worse. It will ultimately be the reason I do not renew my season ticket after heaven knows how many years.

Friday night games boil my pi$$ like nothing else. Preferable to Sunday, marginally.

 
annie blackthorn
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Re: Why So Many Evening KO?
02 January, 2018 22:58
We have discussed this issue for several years now. As was said then, the television rights provide big percentage of the income. A great deal more than the total income from ticket sales including season tickets. 'fraid it will be the cause of my ceasing to want to buy a season ticket next year - and in case anyone thinks I am being a wimp, I am not the only one. Sitting in the freezing cold, having to bob up and down as people go in and out for drinks and the results of said is not much fun - and if one has to drive home limits the amount of after match socialising. I do think the Friday night games make travelling any distance at the end of a working week very difficult. I have longtime i.e. many seasons, seat neighbours who have 3 tkts, travel from the other side of Newbury - they rarely appear for Friday night games. The M4 on a Friday is notoriously unpredictable, and there are also those who travel north east up M5 for whom it is also tricky. But as long as the faithful turn up, the club can say its a 'sellout'. Its not of course just Bath - many Prem clubs' keen supporters have to 'put up' with it.



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BathMatt53
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Re: Why So Many Evening KO?
02 January, 2018 23:35
I guess that there are lots more people at home watching the games on a Friday night who find it all very enjoyable. I for one love sitting down in front of the fire at the end of the working week to watch whatever game is on the box.

(To be fair if you live 100+ miles away it is always going to inconvenient to watch a seasons worth of home games!)

Annie you know full well that you will still have a ticket next year...like this year. My mates dad moved to the middle of a row so he doesn’t have to stand up all the time, seems to have worked for him.

 
B4thB4ck
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Re: Why So Many Evening KO?
03 January, 2018 09:10
There needs to be a balance, we have always seen Euro games at odd times, for example who wants the dreaded Sunday late afternoon slot.

That list though shows it has gone too far towards the sponsors and the club as the common denominator needs to protect the traditional Saturday spectator a bit better IMO.

 
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woodpecker (IP Logged)

Re: Why So Many Evening KO?
03 January, 2018 09:20
I hate Friday night games, leave work, rush home, get in the car, crap traffic, getting stressed about whether we will get there in time, no time to eat anything.

Sunday, not brilliant, can interfere with Colts, but better than Friday.

 
dcsh
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Re: Why So Many Evening KO?
03 January, 2018 11:29
The club did a survey in Dec 2016 about preferred match days if Saturday afternoon was not available, after we had several Friday and Thursday night matches. If I remember correctly the results were fairly evenly split between Friday night and Sunday afternoon as an alternative. But I think it still comes down to the TV schedulers to decide.

 
dcsh
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Re: Why So Many Evening KO?
03 January, 2018 11:38
Found the email (22nd Feb 2017) with the survey results:

“I am writing to you as a follow-up to my letter dated 9th December 2016, in which I talked about the unusually high number of evening games being played this season and also asked for your views on our scheduling policy for future seasons. We received a very strong level of response to the survey which accompanied my previous letter to you. I would like to clarify that the letter and the accompanying survey were addressed specifically to Season Ticket Holders, including ’10 Gamers’. As the core of our supporter community your opinions are particularly important to us, and I would like to start by thanking you all for taking the time to respond on this matter.

As I explained in my previous letter, our stated preference for the scheduling of home games is Saturdays at 15:00, and I would like to emphasise that our position on this has not changed. However, when our games are selected to be broadcast on TV, there is always a risk that they may be moved to alternative slots.

For the Aviva Premiership and the Anglo-Welsh Cup competitions, we have the ability to express a preferred alternative slot for games that are moved due to being picked for TV broadcast. The options are Friday evening, or Sunday afternoon. We do not have the option to select a preferred alternative for the European Rugby Champions or Challenge Cup competitions.

Both at the time of, and subsequent to, my previous letter we have held extensive discussions with EPCR regarding this season’s scheduling, and I am delighted that we were able to host Pau on a Saturday afternoon and that we will be playing Brive in the home Quarter-Final also on a Saturday afternoon. As you will have also seen, our last planned home game of the season against Gloucester in Round 21 of the Premiership will be staged on the afternoon of Sunday 30th April which is a Bank Holiday weekend. This gives us the opportunity to make our last planned home game of the season a great occasion for all supporters and their families.

On the whole, the survey returned a broadly even split of opinions between those of you who opted for a Friday evening and those who opted for a Sunday afternoon, in instances where a game has to be moved from a Saturday afternoon. You also provided an evenly balanced response as to whether games should always move to one day or the other, or a mixture of the two. Travel and work commitments were the most significant issues for you regarding Friday night games, with family commitments being the most important factor impacting Sunday games. You can see the exact results of the survey below.

In addition to canvassing your views, we have held detailed discussions on this issue with representatives of local residents, Bath Recreation Ground Trust, Bath RFC Minis who use the Recreation Ground on Sundays, and the Club’s Rugby department, to ensure that we have a complete picture of the views of those people most impacted by this matter.

In general the responses have been relatively neutral. However, this is an important matter for those local residents who are most affected by our games, and their strong preference is to protect Sundays as quiet days as far as possible. I would like to state that overall we have a very good relationship with our near neighbours, and we enjoy very broad support for the Club amongst them. It is important that we continue to invest in the relationship with our near neighbours, and in particular take into account the views of those residents who feel the most impact from the scheduling of our games. This is our basic responsibility in terms of Bath Rugby being a ‘good citizen’ in the City, and it is also important in terms of maintaining local support as we work to progress development proposals for the Rec.

In taking account of your views, and all other stakeholders on this matter, it is our intention that from the 2017/18 season we will be requesting that where we are required to move fixtures which are selected for TV broadcast, those moves will be split between Fridays and Sundays, with a slight weighting towards Friday evenings. For example, if we were to have a total of six fixtures moved over the course of a season, we would work to manage this so that four are played on Friday evenings and two are played on Sunday afternoons. We would also ask that the broadcasters schedule the fixtures evenly as far as possible, so that we avoid the situation we had this year with a number of Friday night games in a row.

We appreciate that travel issues are one of the main reasons that Friday evening games can be challenging, and we will continue to work closely with Bath and North East Somerset’s Transport department along with key transport providers to mitigate these matters where possible.

Thank you again for your time in taking part in the survey.

Yours Sincerely,
Tarquin McDonald
Managing Director, Bath Rugby.”

 
Beergoggles
Beergoggles (IP Logged)

Re: Why So Many Evening KO?
03 January, 2018 12:20

I thought this was a load old 'horse doings' when I read it last year and its been proven so. 


I'd have a lot more respect for for the Bath aristocracy if they'd been honest and said "we don't give a *** what you supporters think cause we can always fill the ground with Rugby tourists and bored students. The money matters most and not annoying the neighbours come second. You can either like it or *** off !"

You see the thing about Friday evening is that if you work away you just can't get there. For me that trumps 'losing a nice quiet Sunday'. or 'having to move the Sunday roast with grandma' but I accept that for some people these are paramount. That's why the plan to share the moved games between Friday eve and Sunday seemed a fair one ... returning us again to 'what a load of old horse doings'.

Thanks for nothing Tarquin. (Sm164)

 
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Rawce (IP Logged)

Re: Why So Many Evening KO?
03 January, 2018 12:37
That, or his hands are tied and his response and the clubs decision was a fair and balanced one? Tarquin does come in for a lot of flack without much evidence to back it all up on 'ere.

What would be interesting is for someone who is not as lazy as me to sit down, go through the schedules and tot up who has the most non-preferred slots out of all the clubs. IF there's a disparity then we can rightly expect Tarqs to go in claiming a fairer deal.

 
annie blackthorn
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Re: Why So Many Evening KO?
03 January, 2018 12:53
I'd just reiterate that the clubs get a great deal of their income from the television rights, so he who pays the piper, calls the tune.

Tarquin does take an awful lot of words in paragraphs to explain something! so simple! But that's accountants for you ...........................(Sm159)



Adoptee for 2017/18 James Phillips - newly arrived and bringing a wealth of experience in the Prem!

 
BathMatt53
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Re: Why So Many Evening KO?
03 January, 2018 12:59
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Beergoggles

I thought this was a load old 'horse doings' when I read it last year and its been proven so. 


I'd have a lot more respect for for the Bath aristocracy if they'd been honest and said "we don't give a *** what you supporters think cause we can always fill the ground with Rugby tourists and bored students. The money matters most and not annoying the neighbours come second. You can either like it or *** off !"

You see the thing about Friday evening is that if you work away you just can't get there. For me that trumps 'losing a nice quiet Sunday'. or 'having to move the Sunday roast with grandma' but I accept that for some people these are paramount. That's why the plan to share the moved games between Friday eve and Sunday seemed a fair one ... returning us again to 'what a load of old horse doings'.

Thanks for nothing Tarquin. (Sm164)

Whereas I just can't get to Sunday games as that's when my clubs juniors play matches and fridays work fine for me. Horses for courses.



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Robbinho (IP Logged)

Re: Why So Many Evening KO?
03 January, 2018 13:12
Of the 10 games listed in the opening post, half of them are away games so obviously Bath don't have any say in those games, as they are up to the preferences of the home teams.

Of the 5 home games, two are Saturday afternoon kick offs.

 
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OutsideBath (IP Logged)

Re: Why So Many Evening KO?
03 January, 2018 14:28
Whilst I do hold Tarquin responsible for most of the on field problems at Bath, the Friday evening games are not his fault and there's nothing he can do about it.

The blame for this lies entirely with BT and they aren't at all interested in fans that go to the games.



Tom Dunn - Adopted player 2018/19

 
Bath Supporter Jack

Re: Why So Many Evening KO?
03 January, 2018 14:33
When I posted this it just surprised me how many of the games were evening KO.

On the basis there are 6 games a week I would have thought 1 Friday game, 1 Sunday game and 4 Saturday games each week would satisfy TV.

Therefore, logically in a 22 game season we could expect 3 - 4 Friday games and 3 - 4 Sunday games (including home and away) and say 15 games on a Saturday (home and away).

The list above in only half a season goes well beyond that.

Annie I thought accountants were more numerate than literate!

 
Beergoggles
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Re: Why So Many Evening KO?
03 January, 2018 14:52
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BathMatt53
Whereas I just can't get to Sunday games as that's when my clubs juniors play matches and Fridays work fine for me. Horses for courses

Exactly my point. If the TV dictates the game moves away from Saturday, then move the games fairly like Tarquin's windy note from last year stated.

 
BathMatt53
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Re: Why So Many Evening KO?
03 January, 2018 15:01
Am I right in thinking that all Sarries home games have to be Saturday because of their planning constraints (traffic etc.?). Are their other clubs in the same boat, if so it that why some clubs seem to get the lions share of Friday games? Without looking them all up, it seems to me that Sale and Glos seem to get a lot of Friday nighters, Exeter hardly any?

If someone has a spare hour I guess they could be bothered to work out the number of friday, sat and sunday home games for each team...but I'm not that person!

 
Yorkie2
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Re: Why So Many Evening KO?
03 January, 2018 15:11
Sometimes as you get older what may have been a minor irritation in the past turns into a real carbuncle and rapidly becoming one of these are Friday night fixtures both home and away
If you live within reasonable distance of the ground it's probably reasonably acceptable but having to travel over two hours each way resulting in a return to home on the cold and dark winters night after midnight is losing its appeal.
At one stage as well being able to travel to some away fixtures and return in the same day was extremely enjoyable but Friday nights mean the extra expense of a hotel.
I'm afraid what was once something that was the much looked forward to highlight of the week is now losing a lot of its attraction
So if inevitably we have to accept that television is paramount to the existence of the clubs why not the following formula
AP games it would appear that they show 3 per weekend average hence 50% of our fixtures, so 11 in total, half of which are away, allowing for the fact that we are "popular say just over half 6 are at home, make it 2 on Friday, 2 on Saturday and 2 on Sunday, the other 5 should therefore be on the Saturday
European Games all, or the majority, seem to be televised so we have 3 home fixtures, one each on Friday Saturday and Sunday, the knock out rounds could be examined in relation to previous fixtures
Anglo Welsh fixtures we only have two home games so pot luck on the one game you would be allocated but even that could be examined in a little more detail, again the knock out rounds could be examined as above
Ok so home fixtures in an initial total of 16, those televised being split with 3 on Friday and 3 on Sunday with the remainder including 3 televised on Saturday, add in 1 Anglo Welsh cup games on an ad hoc basis means a maximum of 4 Friday night games
I now examine last seasons fixtures when we had 5 fixtures on a Friday evening and just to add insult 2 on a Thursday evening, 7 in total
This seasons fixtures to date we have had or will have 6 Friday evenings, and some fixtures yet to be announced
I have not examined away fixtures but first impressions say we are not getting a fair crack of the whip.
Perhaps it is time the powers that be take note or as some have said are they bothered about the "bog standard fan"
As a long standing ST holder I have no wish to cease my attendance and give up my seat but the facts are beginning to say say I am being forced away by the travelling logistics caused by the fixture allocation

 
Beergoggles
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Re: Why So Many Evening KO?
03 January, 2018 15:42
Just seen that the Exeter home game in March is now also on a Friday night. That makes it :

Saracens 3pm Sat
Newcastle 3pm Sat
Worcester 3pm Sat
Treviso 5.30pm Sat
Gloucester 3pm Sun
Leicester 19.45pm Fri
Harlequins 12.30pm Sat
Toulon 17.30pm Sat
Wasps 19.45pm Fri
Scarlets 19.45pm Fri

Newcastle 3pm Sat
Northampton 19.45pm Fri
Sale 14.30pm Sat
Exeter 19.45pm Fri
London Irish TBC

out of 15 Home Games at the Rec ....(excTwickers)
8 Saturday
5 Friday
1 Sunday
1TBC

In our group I think that 6 Season Tickets that won't be renewed next year but I'm sure there will be some others along to fill the gap, or in time the 18k stadium might gain a bit of an echo.

 
Beergoggles
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Re: Why So Many Evening KO?
03 January, 2018 16:05
Just sent the following to the clubs email account. Be interesting to see whether we get another note from Tarquin some time soon ....

Following a supporter consultation Tarquin McDonald wrote to supporters in February 2017 to explain that the club's desire was to play as many home games as possible on a Saturday but where that wasn't possible due to TV commitments the club would look to share games across Friday evening and Sunday afternoon. With one 2017/2018 fixture still to be confirmed we will have had 5 fixtures on a Friday, 1 fixture on a a Sunday, and one at Twickenham. That leaves 8 of our 16 home games on a Saturday at the Rec.

I've been a Bath Season Ticket Holder for 15+ years and usually attend the Rec with 5 other fellow season ticket holders. All 6 season ticket holders are likely to let their tickets lapse next year as all struggle to make Friday night games. Could you pass this on to Tarquin and ask him to write again to the supporters to explain whether this trend for Friday night rugby is likely to continue and what, if anything, the club are able to do to mitigate the effects. One possibility is to offer day specific season tickets, another is to do as several premiership football teams do and make it easy to get a refund on your ticket for none Saturday games (note, not resell but get the full percentage value refunded).

 
BathMatt53
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Re: Why So Many Evening KO?
03 January, 2018 16:10
The harsh reality is that, for a few years now there has been a waiting list for tickets in reasonable locations (my friends were trying to get some). Therefore I would be surprised if it really matters that much to the club whether you renew or not? Having said that, there is obviously a PR issue here. Interested to see the response...

 
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Rawce (IP Logged)

Re: Why So Many Evening KO?
03 January, 2018 16:59
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OutsideBath
Whilst I do hold Tarquin responsible for most of the on field problems at Bath
And again, do you have any evidence of this?

 
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woodpecker (IP Logged)

Re: Why So Many Evening KO?
03 January, 2018 17:08
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OutsideBath
Whilst I do hold Tarquin responsible for most of the on field problems at Bath
And again, do you have any evidence of this?

When Charteris @#$%& up the last line out I saw Tarquin shining a laser pen in his eyes

 
recman
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Re: Why So Many Evening KO?
03 January, 2018 17:17
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Yorkie2
Sometimes as you get older what may have been a minor irritation in the past turns into a real carbuncle and rapidly becoming one of these are Friday night fixtures both home and away ...

Totally agree with your post. They may as well not have sent out that email last season talking about Sunday games. We've had the token Sunday game already this season so that they can claim with an almost straight face that they've followed up on their promise.

Can look back fondly now on those days when it seemed only Sale and Newcastle played on a Friday night.

 
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Rawce (IP Logged)

Re: Why So Many Evening KO?
03 January, 2018 17:38
FFS, Bath Rugby can't make promises and haven't! We don't decide, all we can do is try and influence and argue our corner. Maybe we haven't been 100% successful, but there's bound to be others who don't get what they want either.

(Sm164)

 
Tomato Soup
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Re: Why So Many Evening KO?
03 January, 2018 17:42
Bath Rugby is a business now. If you don't like it then leave.

If you don't like the prices or the burgers or that irritating cheerleader they call an announcer then just leave.

The club is a plaything for Bruce Craig and his buddy Sir James Dyson (who I might add I have utmost respect for)

No one is forcing you to go. There is a que for your seat.

 
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Bathbadger (IP Logged)

Re: Why So Many Evening KO?
03 January, 2018 18:02
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Beergoggles
Just sent the following to the clubs email account. Be interesting to see whether we get another note from Tarquin some time soon ....
Following a supporter consultation Tarquin McDonald wrote to supporters in February 2017 to explain that the club's desire was to play as many home games as possible on a Saturday but where that wasn't possible due to TV commitments the club would look to share games across Friday evening and Sunday afternoon. With one 2017/2018 fixture still to be confirmed we will have had 5 fixtures on a Friday, 1 fixture on a a Sunday, and one at Twickenham. That leaves 8 of our 16 home games on a Saturday at the Rec.

I've been a Bath Season Ticket Holder for 15+ years and usually attend the Rec with 5 other fellow season ticket holders. All 6 season ticket holders are likely to let their tickets lapse next year as all struggle to make Friday night games. Could you pass this on to Tarquin and ask him to write again to the supporters to explain whether this trend for Friday night rugby is likely to continue and what, if anything, the club are able to do to mitigate the effects. One possibility is to offer day specific season tickets, another is to do as several premiership football teams do and make it easy to get a refund on your ticket for none Saturday games (note, not resell but get the full percentage value refunded).

Sadly, I think the club prempted questions like this with their "Round 18 Fixtures" post on 22nd December round 18:

Chief Executive, Tarquin McDonald, said: “We work closely with Premiership Rugby to limit fixture changes in the calendar. As outlined last season, we are committed to ensuring that when a move from our preferred Saturday slot is required, that we have a split between games being held on Fridays and Sundays, weighted more to Fridays. This is based on feedback from consultation with supporters, with our near neighbours and other stakeholders such as Minis Rugby.

“Whilst our preference would have been to host two Sunday fixtures this season, we have been able to host only one Sunday fixture, due to other broadcast picks on relevant weekends. We will continue to work with Premiership Rugby on fixture scheduling and minimising the impact of fixture moves in future seasons."



Cheers,

Rich

 
Beergoggles
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Re: Why So Many Evening KO?
03 January, 2018 18:19
Quote:
Tomato Soup
Bath Rugby is a business now. If you don't like it then leave.
If you don't like the prices or the burgers or that irritating cheerleader they call an announcer then just leave.

The club is a plaything for Bruce Craig and his buddy Sir James Dyson (who I might add I have utmost respect for)

No one is forcing you to go. There is a que for your seat.

Be interesting to see how many successful businesses are built on the ‘**** our customers, if they don’t like it we’ll get new ones’ strategy.

And by the way the ‘No one is forcing you’ line is intensely annoying as it complete negates the whole point of a whinge forum such as this.

 
Beergoggles
Beergoggles (IP Logged)

Re: Why So Many Evening KO?
03 January, 2018 18:28
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Sadly, I think the club prempted questions like this with their "Round 18 Fixtures" post on 22nd December round 18:

Where was this posted BathBadger ? I’m now wondering if Tarquin is amongst us on this board. Maybe we’ve unearthed BathOvalBallers secret and he’s really Tarquin just trying to save on the loafer bill. (Sm101)

 
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OutsideBath (IP Logged)

Re: Why So Many Evening KO?
03 January, 2018 18:37
Quote:
Rawce
Quote:
OutsideBath
Whilst I do hold Tarquin responsible for most of the on field problems at Bath
And again, do you have any evidence of this?

It's a personal opinion which I don't have to justify to the likes of you.



Tom Dunn - Adopted player 2018/19

 
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Which Tyler (IP Logged)

Re: Why So Many Evening KO?
03 January, 2018 19:02
http://www.azquotes.com/picture-quotes/quote-what-can-be-asserted-without-evidence-can-be-dismissed-without-evidence-christopher-hitchens-13-33-53.jpg.

Also, if you don't want your opinion challenged, don't post it.

Quite apart from that, I wouldn't recommend learning your diplomacy from Trump University, it really, really makes you looks bad, and far more easily dismissed out of hand.



A man who cannot change his mind, cannot change anything
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RAEBURN SHIELD




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BathMatt53
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Re: Why So Many Evening KO?
03 January, 2018 19:09
Very well found / remembered bathBadger!

 
recman
recman (IP Logged)

Re: Why So Many Evening KO?
03 January, 2018 19:19
Read it and weep...

In the 2009/10 season (the one which only really started at Leeds over Christmas, shortly before Butch returned from injury and took us to the playoffs), every home league game (barring one that got rearranged to a Tuesday night) was on a Saturday afternoon.

Not so long ago. What happened?

 
BathMatt53
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Re: Why So Many Evening KO?
03 January, 2018 19:32
BT Sport happened.

 
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hasta (IP Logged)

Re: Why So Many Evening KO?
03 January, 2018 19:40
BT Sport and 3 televised games a weekend happened.

 
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OutsideBath (IP Logged)

Re: Why So Many Evening KO?
03 January, 2018 19:46
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BT Sport happened.

+1

BT and Sky aren't too bothered about the difficulties for fans when they move fixtures. However as the put so much money into sports they own them and can do what they like.



Tom Dunn - Adopted player 2018/19

 
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hemington (IP Logged)

Re: Why So Many Evening KO?
03 January, 2018 19:48
Quote:
Beergoggles
Quote:
Tomato Soup
Bath Rugby is a business now. If you don't like it then leave.
If you don't like the prices or the burgers or that irritating cheerleader they call an announcer then just leave.

The club is a plaything for Bruce Craig and his buddy Sir James Dyson (who I might add I have utmost respect for)

No one is forcing you to go. There is a que for your seat.

Be interesting to see how many successful businesses are built on the ‘**** our customers, if they don’t like it we’ll get new ones’ strategy.

.

Unfortunately as far as BT are concerned we are not the customers the potential millions on their sofas at home are..... and they do care about them

 
DanWiley
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Re: Why So Many Evening KO?
03 January, 2018 20:22
Further, if you don't go on a Friday, you'll probably watch on TV. Not a massive bonus for them, but hardly a disincentive.

I'm always a little concerned about taking about things, rugby clubs in particular, as a "business". What does that mean? Does it mean it can't run at a loss? Well what can? Rugby clubs seem to do that more than most. Does it mean profit HAS to be the primary goal? I've don't think that is the case, I hope not. Winning should be the primary goal. To archive that we'd probably do well to target breaking even. Any more and we're not investing as much as we could, any less and we're in trouble just like organisation (business or otherwise).

What I don't think we're run for though is, exclusively, the 6k or so traditional supporters they have got used rugby at 3pm on a Saturday.

 
Bathovalballer
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Re: Why So Many Evening KO?
03 January, 2018 20:29
I can assure you all I am not Tarquin as I am heartily fed up with Friday night games and am not much more in favour of any on Sunday either. This is mainly due to travel arrangements and the lousy service from the railways on those days, especially getting home late at night.

I may not be TM in disguise but could be .....................................................................................

the Marketing Director of the Farleigh Spa Hotel which is in dire need of some better publicity because its existing residents are falling down on the job or are in need of an extended period of rest and recuperation. New blood is needed me thinks with a change in treatments and activity plans, along with a reduction in the free uniforms and shoe coverings. Also the menus are in need of overhaul as well as energy levels need a boost and add to the food for thought needed when working.

Otherwise the owner may put the place on the market and it can be sold for housing to help recover some of Mr Craig's hard earned investment, as it really has not provided any sort of return to date!



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B4thB4ck
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Re: Why So Many Evening KO?
03 January, 2018 20:38
I think the pay back time for not listening to your fan base is several years down the line, but when it has an effect the problem is hard to correct.

Let's say Bristol come up, there will always be a proportion of floating rugby fans who want to see a game and living within a sensible distance of Bath, Bristol, Exeter and Glos. Losing your traditional fans and not attracting the next generation could be a problem or at least you don't attract any real loyalty or support, they don't buy the shirts and season tickets. Lansdown might get his footy team promoted too and that could take a % of floating fans also.

Therefore Bath must make sure they don't suffer any more TV interference than anyone else and the match day package is up with the best.

TV may pay the most money but a club still needs a heart.

 
BathMatt53
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Re: Why So Many Evening KO?
03 January, 2018 20:54
Having Rugby games on TV on a Friday evening in front of thousands of fans is a great way of increasing your base. I never watched Bath rugby on tv when I was a kid, I got to go to some special games such as the John player special finals but now my kids watch Bath every few weeks. They also follow the players on Instagram and twitter etc. All us old fogeys need to get real, the Bath Rugby brand is doing just fine with the millennials. They don’t care about Fridays or Saturdays etc, especially whether it always used to be on a Saturday. Everyone else moved on, things change and BT sport games on a Friday are one of them. We either move with it or get left behind and replaced by someone willing to adapt.

 
Boldangrey
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Re: Why So Many Evening KO?
03 January, 2018 21:03
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I can assure you all I am not Tarquin as I am heartily fed up with Friday night games and am not much more in favour of any on Sunday either. This is mainly due to travel arrangements and the lousy service from the railways on those days, especially getting home late at night.
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Put Rob Baxter in charge of the railways. Now there's an idea that couldn't fail!

 
Beergoggles
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Re: Why So Many Evening KO
03 January, 2018 22:06
Anybody know what the BT sport viewing figures are for a Friday night game ? Also be very interested in what proportion of those viewers are already hard core rugby fans that would watch a game whenever it was on. I suspect the answers are (i) not as many a you’d imagine and (ii) nearly all of them.

 
BathMatt53
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Re: Why So Many Evening KO?
03 January, 2018 22:16
A year old, but we get the idea.

[www.therugbypaper.co.uk]

 
Beergoggles
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Re: Why So Many Evening KO?
03 January, 2018 23:25
4.4m viewers over 22 rounds, 3 games per round ? That’s approx 66,000 viewers per game if my maths is right. Hmmmmmm .....

 
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Re: Why So Many Evening KO?
03 January, 2018 23:26
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Whilst I do hold Tarquin responsible for most of the on field problems at Bath
And again, do you have any evidence of this?

It's a personal opinion which I don't have to justify to the likes of you.
So a baseless vendetta then? As suspected.

 
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Re: Why So Many Evening KO?
03 January, 2018 23:29
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I think the pay back time for not listening to your fan base is several years down the line, but when it has an effect the problem is hard to correct.
Let's say Bristol come up, there will always be a proportion of floating rugby fans who want to see a game and living within a sensible distance of Bath, Bristol, Exeter and Glos. Losing your traditional fans and not attracting the next generation could be a problem or at least you don't attract any real loyalty or support, they don't buy the shirts and season tickets. Lansdown might get his footy team promoted too and that could take a % of floating fans also.

Therefore Bath must make sure they don't suffer any more TV interference than anyone else and the match day package is up with the best.

TV may pay the most money but a club still needs a heart.
Bristol groundshare and are likely more susceptible to Fridays and Saturdays than us. See Sale (who maybe kept the preference for Fridays after fans got used to it) and Irish.

 
BathMatt53
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Re: Why So Many Evening KO?
04 January, 2018 07:12
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4.4m viewers over 22 rounds, 3 games per round ? That’s approx 66,000 viewers per game if my maths is right. Hmmmmmm .....

That was the attendance last year to Christmas, rather than the season, so about 10 prem weeks I guess (30 games?). So about 1/5 attend the game, 4/5 watch from home (fans of all teams). I have no idea how they work out how many are watching screens in pubs etc for these calculations...

 
Kidney Stone
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Re: Why So Many Evening KO?
04 January, 2018 08:48
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Whilst I do hold Tarquin responsible for most of the on field problems at Bath
And again, do you have any evidence of this?

When Charteris @#$%& up the last line out I saw Tarquin shining a laser pen in his eyes

Funniest quip I have read on ere for ages. You have cheered up a dreary Thursday(Sm42) morning!

 
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Re: Why So Many Evening KO?
04 January, 2018 11:47
Dear Tarquin.

I noticed that the Scarlets game is TX, also the Exeter game, please can you make the Northampton game TX too.

Lot of love,

Woodpecker


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