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ChippenhamRoman
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Re: Other weekend games
20 January, 2018 17:18
So am I right in saying Bath need a BP win and that win needs to be by 49 clear points?

J

 
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Which Tyler (IP Logged)

Re: Other weekend games
20 January, 2018 17:24
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Don't understand how Mallinder got in Eddie's squad.
he didn't do too much to disprove the accusations of cowardice (compared to his peers)
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ChippenhamRoman
So am I right in saying Bath need a BP win and that win needs to be by 49 clear points?
I believe so, yes.
We also need whoever loses in Llanelli to NOT earn a bonus point of any description.



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ChippenhamRoman
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Re: Other weekend games
20 January, 2018 17:35
@#$%&

 
BathPatriot
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Re: Other weekend games
20 January, 2018 17:38
Well taken try there by B, all Italians so far , sodeserved score.

 
BathPatriot
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Re: Other weekend games
20 January, 2018 17:40
Good reply by Bath there!!!

 
BathPatriot
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Re: Other weekend games
20 January, 2018 17:46
Looking good !!!

 
BathPatriot
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Re: Other weekend games
20 January, 2018 17:46
Power Rugby

 
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Which Tyler (IP Logged)

Re: Other weekend games
20 January, 2018 17:47
Bad news for us in Wales - looks like a high scoring game with both teams looking for 4 tries - which would put us out regardless



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Which Tyler (IP Logged)

Re: Other weekend games
20 January, 2018 17:57
Take it quick
Take it quick
Take it quick

I think that was forwards Mercer => Brew



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hasta (IP Logged)

Re: Other weekend games
20 January, 2018 17:58
Well, it's going ok on our end.

 
BathPatriot
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Re: Other weekend games
20 January, 2018 17:59
BP try!!!!!

 
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Which Tyler (IP Logged)

Re: Other weekend games
20 January, 2018 18:06
5 tries up, and HT.

We're on target, but it looks likely to be too little too late given the match in Wales



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ChippenhamRoman
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Re: Other weekend games
20 January, 2018 18:11
Itís the hope that kills you.

As it stands we are so close.

The game in Wales looks totally bonkers and I suspect will mean our game is irrelevant.

Come on Scarlettís, letís get mean!

J



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opti
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Re: Other weekend games
20 January, 2018 18:12
Still irritated by some of Kahnís kicking, and JJís, but good to see Fred growing into his work.

 
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joethefanatic (IP Logged)

Re: Other weekend games
20 January, 2018 18:20
What happens if scarlets and toulon draw?



... IMHO, of course.

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DorsetBoy
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Re: Other weekend games
20 January, 2018 18:20
I agree Opti. Why put up an up and under the ball when we're on half way?

Still good response to the early set back but I think Scarletts and Toulon will both get BPs, and possibly 2 for the loser.

If only we'd 1. got the BP at home to Treviso, and / or 2. had a competent referee away to Toulon.

 
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Which Tyler (IP Logged)

Re: Other weekend games
20 January, 2018 18:22
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What happens if scarlets and toulon draw?
they both go through, with Toulon winning the pool with 21 point, Scarlets with 20
Scarlets are already out of reach with their TBP.
Toulon are on 3 tries, so we CAN still overtake them, but we need them not tomatoes another try, AND lose by >7
We also now need 63+ points



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DorsetBoy
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Re: Other weekend games
20 January, 2018 18:27
Shocking refereeing - never got the ball down.
Let's hope 7 points isn't crucial.

 
timfrombrighton
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Re: Other weekend games
20 January, 2018 18:30
Oh dear. Another Benetton try.



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DorsetBoy
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Re: Other weekend games
20 January, 2018 18:31
Can't get the ball atm

 
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Which Tyler (IP Logged)

Re: Other weekend games
20 January, 2018 18:32

 
timfrombrighton
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Re: Other weekend games
20 January, 2018 18:33
21-35 and we need another 35 points.

 
cb2
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Re: Other weekend games
20 January, 2018 18:35
It won`t matter but the lack of calm leadership is obvious.

 
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Toast and Marmite (IP Logged)

Re: Other weekend games
20 January, 2018 18:35
Oh ffs we are back to playing like an U7 minis team again....regardless of coaching, players need to think clearly and know when a pass is on or not...



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Danchinho
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Re: Other weekend games
20 January, 2018 18:36
Bath don't quite look like full time professionals. We lack that extra little bit of cohesion that full time professionals display. Rather we look like gifted amateurs.



I probably don't know what i'm talking about.

 
ChippenhamRoman
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Re: Other weekend games
20 January, 2018 18:36
Right Iím getting all confused now.

Do we need the massive swing if we
A) win by a BP &
cool smiley Scarlettís win AND Toulon DONT get a losing or a 4 try BP.

????

J

 
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Toast and Marmite (IP Logged)

Re: Other weekend games
20 January, 2018 18:40
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Bath don't quite look like full time professionals. We lack that extra little bit of cohesion that full time professionals display. Rather we look like gifted amateurs.
Partly down to lack of tcup but I'm convinced we don't have enough set plays and systems in place to fall back on when required


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Which Tyler (IP Logged)

Re: Other weekend games
20 January, 2018 18:40
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ChippenhamRoman
Right Iím getting all confused now.
Do we need the massive swing if we
A) win by a BP &
cool smiley Scarlettís win AND Toulon DONT get a losing or a 4 try BP.

????

J
we need to win by 49, or Saracens are ahead of us.
We need Toulon to not take any points home from Wales, or we're not even 2nd in our group.

I don't see either of these things happening now.



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Toast and Marmite (IP Logged)

Re: Other weekend games
20 January, 2018 18:43
Basics are simply not good enough



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Which Tyler (IP Logged)

Re: Other weekend games
20 January, 2018 18:43
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Toast and Marmite
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Bath don't quite look like full time professionals. We lack that extra little bit of cohesion that full time professionals display. Rather we look like gifted amateurs.
Partly down to lack of tcup but I'm convinced we don't have enough set plays and systems in place to fall back on when required
meh, we're just chasing things too much, because we have to. We're trying to be too dominant in the tackle to push them back or spill the ball, but over committing and missing some. With the ball we're trying to exploits gaps that aren't there.
Were chasing a 50 point PD, wagainst a good team, and we're just trying too hard.



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Toast and Marmite (IP Logged)

Re: Other weekend games
20 January, 2018 18:45
No offside in this game apparently.....



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DorsetBoy
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Re: Other weekend games
20 January, 2018 18:45
We're just playing really poorly again after a good second quarter.

 
DorsetBoy
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Re: Other weekend games
20 January, 2018 18:46
Zach makes it 6

 
Danchinho
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Re: Other weekend games
20 January, 2018 18:47
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Which Tyler
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Toast and Marmite
Quote:
Danchinho
Bath don't quite look like full time professionals. We lack that extra little bit of cohesion that full time professionals display. Rather we look like gifted amateurs.
Partly down to lack of tcup but I'm convinced we don't have enough set plays and systems in place to fall back on when required
meh, we're just chasing things too much, because we have to. We're trying to be too dominant in the tackle to push them back or spill the ball, but over committing and missing some. With the ball we're trying to exploits gaps that aren't there.
Were chasing a 50 point PD, wagainst a good team, and we're just trying too hard.

So, we're trying too hard with the ball and not trying hard enough without it....



I probably don't know what i'm talking about.

 
ken_jnr
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Re: Other weekend games
20 January, 2018 18:48
This game is our entire season condensed into 80 minutes!

 
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joethefanatic (IP Logged)

Re: Other weekend games
20 January, 2018 18:49
Good try from Zach but why throw the ball away? Precious seconds wasted.



... IMHO, of course.

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Danchinho
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Re: Other weekend games
20 January, 2018 18:50
You lot have seen teams evolve, I haven't. Does this honestly look like a club that with just a couple of signings will become challengers next season?
Cause if we're not, that'll be 3 years of TB with no real improvement.



I probably don't know what i'm talking about.

 
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Which Tyler (IP Logged)

Re: Other weekend games
20 January, 2018 18:51
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Which Tyler
meh, we're just chasing things too much, because we have to. We're trying to be too dominant in the tackle to push them back or spill the ball, but over committing and missing some. With the ball we're trying to exploits gaps that aren't there.
Were chasing a 50 point PD, wagainst a good team, and we're just trying too hard.

So, we're trying too hard with the ball and not trying hard enough without it....
I... Don't even know how you got there from my words.
We're trying too hard with the ball
We're trying too hard without the ball
Structure be damned, as structure doesn't get you a 50 points difference against decent sides



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Toast and Marmite (IP Logged)

Re: Other weekend games
20 January, 2018 18:52
Jesus wept just ran through a massive hole....



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Danchinho
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Re: Other weekend games
20 January, 2018 18:53
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Which Tyler
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Danchinho
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Which Tyler
meh, we're just chasing things too much, because we have to. We're trying to be too dominant in the tackle to push them back or spill the ball, but over committing and missing some. With the ball we're trying to exploits gaps that aren't there.
Were chasing a 50 point PD, wagainst a good team, and we're just trying too hard.

So, we're trying too hard with the ball and not trying hard enough without it....
I... Don't even know how you got there from my words.
We're trying too hard with the ball
We're trying too hard without the ball
Structure be damned, as structure doesn't get you a 50
points difference against decent sides

You know much more than me but there's no way we're trying too hard without the ball. We're passive. The opposite of trying too hard.



I probably don't know what i'm talking about.

 
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Which Tyler (IP Logged)

Re: Other weekend games
20 January, 2018 18:55
Ok, so you asked me a question about my opinion, which is already explained, and wanted to know if it agreed with your disagreement.

I disagree with you, were not too passive in defence, we're trying too hard and cocking up.

You are, of course, welcome to disagree with me, and you'll be in good company to do so. But you can't really interpret my words the way you did.



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Toast and Marmite (IP Logged)

Re: Other weekend games
20 January, 2018 18:58
We seem to have some right donkeys on the paddock tonight



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Danchinho
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Re: Other weekend games
20 January, 2018 18:58
Well, i certainly disagree with you about some of our defending. Especially 2 of their tries.



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joethefanatic (IP Logged)

Re: Other weekend games
20 January, 2018 19:00
I think this leaves us free to concentrate on the league. Hmm....



... IMHO, of course.

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Toast and Marmite (IP Logged)

Re: Other weekend games
20 January, 2018 19:05
We look very far away from being a top side.



"No sprinkles. For every sprinkle I find, I shall kill you."

 
DorsetBoy
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Re: Other weekend games
20 January, 2018 19:07
Coaching issues and a very fragile mindset.

Luke C with his first try in 7 years!

 
DorsetBoy
Dorset Boy (IP Logged)

Re: Other weekend games
20 January, 2018 19:14
Bath out.

Would have been better to have not been embarassed by the second half. Poor, poor rugby from Bath.

 
dcsh
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Re: Other weekend games
20 January, 2018 19:14
Disappointing, but Baths inconsistency just doesnít deserve progression.

 
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hasta (IP Logged)

Re: Other weekend games
20 January, 2018 19:50
Well that's disappointing. I still maintain our biggest failure was not beating Toulon away who were absolutely there to be taken. Celebrating a losing bonus point there was highly short sighted.

As others have said, so many symptoms of our overall inconsistency.

 
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TCM2007 (IP Logged)

Re: Other weekend games
20 January, 2018 19:51
The missed bonus point against Treviso at home was the difference.

But no English team has exactly shon - we could still end up with no English teams in the knock out.



Stuart

Former ed.

 
BathPatriot
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Re: Other weekend games
20 January, 2018 19:59
Justice

 
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shipwrecked (IP Logged)

Re: Other weekend games
20 January, 2018 20:12
It will be interesting to see how Scarlets get on, their brand of rugby deserves to do well and to be honest there are not many stand out clubs in the competition, apart from Leinster that is.

 
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joethefanatic (IP Logged)

Re: Other weekend games
20 January, 2018 20:15
The sides who consistently play in Big Cup understand the crucial nature of winning every point on offer in every game. We don't - primarily due to inexperience I would guess. We'll do better next year, assuming we qualify.



... IMHO, of course.

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P G Tips
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Re: Other weekend games
20 January, 2018 20:44
All too little, too late. Particularly disappointing as at half time a big win seemed within grasp.

I agree with WT, though in some areas I think Danchino has a point. We did not appear to want to contest some rucks and were often too slow toiling for counter attacks when the ball was kicked to us.

Increasingly this season our best play has appeared to be based on individual efforts rather than planned attack or consistent support play.


PG



P G Tips



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Danchinho
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Re: Other weekend games
20 January, 2018 20:50
As Toast and Marmite said, we seem to lack set attacking and defending plays/moves to fall back on. Something to give us a platform from which reaction and improvisation can progress from.



I probably don't know what i'm talking about.

 
bathstigg
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Re: Other weekend games
20 January, 2018 21:55
Itís a shame Scarlets didnít reproduce their form against us for Toulon this week. Still we would get blown away in a quarter final away from home on current form. Beating Treviso in Italy by over 20points and getting the try bonus point was all we could ask for.
The thing that concerns me is the direction of the club in terms of strategy,style of play and recruitment. Bannahan,KPN,G.Mercer all leaving but a French Division 2 player joining! Blackadder with only one more season but so far has achieved very little progress.

 
Boldangrey
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Re: Other weekend games
20 January, 2018 22:10
Underhill was subbed today. I hope that was tactical?

 
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shipwrecked (IP Logged)

Re: Other weekend games
20 January, 2018 22:14
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Itís a shame Scarlets didnít reproduce their form against us for Toulon this week. Still we would get blown away in a quarter final away from home on current form. Beating Treviso in Italy by over 20points and getting the try bonus point was all we could ask for.
The thing that concerns me is the direction of the club in terms of strategy,style of play and recruitment. Bannahan,KPN,G.Mercer all leaving but a French Division 2 player joining! Blackadder with only one more season but so far has achieved very little progress.

Did you see the game? First half they were excellent then held on for the win in the second half.

 
P G Tips
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Re: Other weekend games
20 January, 2018 22:59
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Underhill was subbed today. I hope that was tactical?

I don't think he was. Charteris & Grant came on to replace the second rows.

PG



P G Tips



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gaz59
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Re: Other weekend games
21 January, 2018 07:56
Hey, I think a bit of respect is due to the players. They were dead on their feet at the end, giving pretty much everything plus to get in with a shout even though it was very slim chance

Yes, there were some errors, especially at start of second half that required a massive effort to just get back to the HT position but fair play they stuck at it and at the very least gave the travelling fans something to cheer

Benetton have improved immensely and a win of that scoreline would, in other circumstances be something to be really happy with - could never control what happened in wales but if we take the good stuff from our performance and work on the rest then a top 4 is possible

 
bathboyinmidlands
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Re: Other weekend games
21 January, 2018 08:56
Agree with Gaz59 credit had to go to the players for the effort shown and I would never question their commitment as they are professional highly competitive sportsman who of course want to do well in all competitions.

However the 2nd half was reflective of the season as a whole, the levels of inconsistency and concentration is clearly an issue they donít seem able to resolve.

This is my biggest concern that we seem to have some underlying root causes that I am clearly not qualified to identify or have any resolution for. But letís face it that is what we pay the qualified coaching staff for and I cannot see any progress in identifying and resolving it.

We should never fall into the farcical world of football demanding sackings every 5 minutes but I am starting to have some serious doubts about where we are heading and TBs ability to change things. Clearly he (and I guess the players) miss Tabs massively and need to find a replacement but fundamentally will this change anything as just not convinced by TB right now.

By now at the very least I would expect a clear identity to have emerged so we can all see what TB is trying to achieve and the type of squad he wants to build but for the life of me I just canít see it??

Perhaps somebody can enlighten me in case I am missing something!!

 
Boldangrey
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Re: Other weekend games
21 January, 2018 09:44
Credit to the team. They had to win, they had to score 4 tries, they had to win by a cricket score.

When pragmatism goes out of the window errors are easy and opportunities for the opposition occur.

 
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OutsideBath (IP Logged)

Re: Other weekend games
21 January, 2018 10:55
Can't criticise the team yesterday, it was always going to be a crazy game with one team needing a TBP and the other with nothing to lose.



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shipwrecked (IP Logged)

Re: Other weekend games
21 January, 2018 11:09
Agree, the won big, some actually wondered if we would win. We lost it elsewhere, we should have got through but lets be fair Toulon and Scarlets are both very decent sides.

 
cb2
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Re: Other weekend games
21 January, 2018 12:36
On a positive - Zac looks a class act out of the top drawer. I am not so sure about Underhill. Is he a good physical specimen but not a great rugby player?

 
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Which Tyler (IP Logged)

Re: Other weekend games
21 January, 2018 13:01
Underhill just looks like a 6 playing 7 to me, like Robshaw did when playing OSF. In style he looks like a Worsley or a Lydiate, not a Back or Tipuric, and not even a 6.5 like a Moody or Warburton.
For England, I'd rather have a Curry.
Having said that, I'm happy for him to play 7 alongside Garvey, but would look to play him at 6 if/when Garvey misses a few matches.
A backrow of Garvey, Ellis, Mercer and Underhill looks like a nice future set-up to me for any match-day 23



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dr.bath1865
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Re: Other weekend games
21 January, 2018 13:26
For me, a back row that combines Louw and Underhill would be very interesting, with Faletau or Mercer at 8.

If Underhill makes his destructive tackles, Louw could have a profitable time on the floor.

Unfortunately, given our fitness travails, we'll quite possibly never see that combo!

 
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hasta (IP Logged)

Re: Other weekend games
21 January, 2018 15:09
Underhill is still young. Yes at the moment he's more Worsley than anything else, but if he can add some link play and some turnovers he'll be very special.

Mercer is special, but I can't shake the fact that he's a bit lightweight.

 
Boldangrey
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Re: Other weekend games
21 January, 2018 16:26
Me too. I see him as an 8, but 8s are big and powerful like Billy, Hughes, Waldron, Morgan etc. They have much more power and go-forward because of their size.

Have you seen how much ball he takes at 5 in the line out - another string to his bow.

 
BathPatriot
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Re: Other weekend games
21 January, 2018 17:04
Not one English team in the Quarterfinals?? Is that right? When did that happen last if ever? Shows that the Prem is not a powerful as we were lead to believe.

 
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hasta (IP Logged)

Re: Other weekend games
21 January, 2018 17:17
Sarries made it through.

 
DorsetBoy
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Re: Other weekend games
21 January, 2018 17:34
It's a post Lions season. The celts have given their Lions players loads of rest whereas the attrition rate in England has meant the English Lions have either had to play or got injured themselves. There's usually a dip like this post a Lions tour.

 
B4thB4ck
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Re: Other weekend games
21 January, 2018 18:30
I also wonder if the stricter enforcement of the salary cap could be having an effect on the squads similar to the way results in the league have been a mixed bag of surprises and inconsistency this season.

 
BathPatriot
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Re: Other weekend games
21 January, 2018 18:43
One English team then. No surprise who is was, Sarries have been one of the best teams in Europe for many years now. We are so far behind such Clubs itís unreal.

 
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Re: Other weekend games
21 January, 2018 19:06
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One English team then. No surprise who is was, Sarries have been one of the best teams in Europe for many years now. We are so far behind such Clubs itís unreal.

You say that but we matched Saracens for group points so weíre joint top out of the English clubs. If anything just missing out on final stages has exceeded my expectations in what was a tough group with the PRO14 champs, Franceís richest club and Italyís best club who proved they were no pushovers.

 
wetside
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Re: Other weekend games
21 January, 2018 19:22
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One English team then. No surprise who is was, Sarries have been one of the best teams in Europe for many years now. We are so far behind such Clubs itís unyreal.
Thought we beat them 😈

 
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Which Tyler (IP Logged)

Re: Other weekend games
21 January, 2018 20:10
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Me too. I see him as an 8, but 8s are big and powerful like Billy, Hughes, Waldron, Morgan etc. They have much more power and go-forward because of their size.
Have you seen how much ball he takes at 5 in the line out - another string to his bow.
Zach Mercer: 190cm; 105 kg (BMI: 29.09)
Sam Simmonds: 184cm; 103kg (BMI: 30.42)

Sergio Parisse: 196cm; 112kg (BMI: 29.15)
Kieran Read: 193cm; 110kg (BMI: 29.53)
Jamie Heaslip: 192cm; 110kg (BMI: 29.84)
Taupe Faletau: 189cm; 110kg (BMI: 30.79)
David Pocock: 183cm; 103kg (BMI: 30.76)
Louis Picamoles: 192cm; 116kg (BMI: 31.47)

Ben Morgan: 191cm; 116kg (BMI: 31.8)
Nathan Hughes: 196cm; 125kg (BMI: 32.54)
Thomas Waldron: 185cm; 114kg (BMI: 33.31)
Billy Vunipola: 188cm; 130kg (BMI: 36.78)

IMO Simmonds is more-or-less as bulky as he can go, Mercer's probably got another 5-10 kg before stressing his frame (based on eye-balling their physiques).
Simmonds almost exactly the same stats as Pocock; Mercer(+5kg) almost exactly the same stats as Faletau (who he's also learning from, and plays very similarly to)



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Boldangrey
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Re: Other weekend games
21 January, 2018 20:53
Thank you WT. Very interesting.

The RFU site lists Simmonds at 93kg, so it looks like he's put about 10kgs on.

With age on his side, if Mercer did the same he would be bigger than your 6 and not far off my 4.

 
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Re: Other weekend games
22 January, 2018 08:46
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One English team then. No surprise who is was, Sarries have been one of the best teams in Europe for many years now. We are so far behind such Clubs itís unyreal.
Thought we beat them 😈

That was a one off game, where we are light years behind them is being consistently good.

Not sure we have the building blocks in place to ever close the gap on them and a number of other teams.



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Re: Other weekend games
22 January, 2018 09:15
Mercer seems to have very skinny legs. There is size and there is artificial size. Gareth Delve ended up as a big lump but was never the power player. Dallaglio managed to bulk up and play with power. Zac will put on 5 or so KG but I see him as a Parisse type player. With England's small backs, that might be an issue.

 
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Which Tyler (IP Logged)

Re: Other weekend games
22 January, 2018 17:15
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One English team then. No surprise who is was, Sarries have been one of the best teams in Europe for many years now. We are so far behind such Clubs itís unyreal.
Thought we beat them 😈

That was a one off game, where we are light years behind them is being consistently good.

Not sure we have the building blocks in place to ever close the gap on them and a number of other teams.
ok, so no hyperbole at all then; we beat them whilst being light years behind, and will NEVER be able to close the gap on those other teams we can also beat.


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Re: Other weekend games
22 January, 2018 17:23
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One English team then. No surprise who is was, Sarries have been one of the best teams in Europe for many years now. We are so far behind such Clubs itís unyreal.
Thought we beat them 😈

That was a one off game, where we are light years behind them is being consistently good.

Not sure we have the building blocks in place to ever close the gap on them and a number of other teams.
ok, so no hyperbole at all then; we beat them whilst being light years behind, and will NEVER be able to close the gap on those other teams we can also beat.

Didn't say we can never catch them, just that we don't have the right pieces of the puzzle to make ground on them now.

Beating them occasionally doesn't mean we are closing the gap.



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Which Tyler (IP Logged)

Re: Other weekend games
22 January, 2018 17:27
You used the words "Not sure we have the building blocks in place to ever close the gap on them and a number of other teams." If you didn't mean that, use different words.

Its simply not possible to be "light-years" behind teams that you've beaten. (and I don't mean by misuse of physics terminology)

Both your points were hyperbolic in the extreme.



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Re: Other weekend games
23 January, 2018 23:16
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One English team then. No surprise who is was, Sarries have been one of the best teams in Europe for many years now. We are so far behind such Clubs itís unyreal.
Thought we beat them 😈

That was a one off game, where we are light years behind them is being consistently good.

Not sure we have the building blocks in place to ever close the gap on them and a number of other teams.

Sarries sneaked through relying on Wasps beating Ulster. It has been a P poor performance by ALL the English teams.



Stuart

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Re: Other weekend games
23 January, 2018 23:26
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One English team then. No surprise who is was, Sarries have been one of the best teams in Europe for many years now. We are so far behind such Clubs itís unyreal.
Thought we beat them 😈

That was a one off game, where we are light years behind them is being consistently good.

Not sure we have the building blocks in place to ever close the gap on them and a number of other teams.

Sarries sneaked through relying on Wasps beating Ulster. It has been a P poor performance by ALL the English teams.

Couldn't we just recognize that some of the PRO14 and T14 teams are playing great rugby? Leinster, Scarlets and La Rochelle would be outstanding rugby teams in any era. The AP sides will have to improve to compete but that doesn't mean they're p1ss poor.

Plus, if there's one side I'd currently back to beat Leinster at the RDS, it's Sarries.



... IMHO, of course.

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Re: Other weekend games
24 January, 2018 09:16
I think there is one excellent team - Leinster. Clermont aren't far off but have an absolute nightmare with injuries - they're a great team. Everyone else is flawed. Yes, Scarlets were great at us, but they were @#$%& poor at home to us and very nearly lost at home to Treviso. La Rochelle were all powerful in the first three rounds, and nearly threw it away. Neither Munster or Racing have been particularly convincing. Toulon barely any better than us or Wasps.

 
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Re: Other weekend games
24 January, 2018 20:15
To have 1/3 of the initial qualifiers and only 1/8 of the quarter finalists (not to mention none of the 5 pool winners)is poor however you cut it.



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Re: Other weekend games
24 January, 2018 20:20
Thing is though Stuart, would you bet against Sarries winning it, they seem to have got their bad spell out of the way?

 
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Re: Other weekend games
25 January, 2018 10:55
Its not about the state of one club who may come through and win the trophy but a picture of the game at the top level in England.

Stuart's comparative stat indicates a very poor return - the big question is whether this is a one year 'blip' or the start of a trend?

 
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Re: Other weekend games
25 January, 2018 10:59
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Its not about the state of one club who may come through and win the trophy but a picture of the game at the top level in England.
Stuart's comparative stat indicates a very poor return - the big question is whether this is a one year 'blip' or the start of a trend?

Or alternatively Premiership players that are simply exhausted from too much rugby.

 
Boldangrey
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Re: Other weekend games
25 January, 2018 18:33
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Its not about the state of one club who may come through and win the trophy but a picture of the game at the top level in England.
Stuart's comparative stat indicates a very poor return - the big question is whether this is a one year 'blip' or the start of a trend?

Or alternatively Premiership players that are simply exhausted from too much rugby.

I wondered when someone would say that.

Players are knackered from too many games and all clubs have long injury lists, in part, caused by this. It's a vicious circle.

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