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DorsetBoy
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England & 6 Nations
14 January, 2018 16:51
Billy V broke his forearm yesterday and Nathan Hughes won't be fit to play in forst couple of rounds at least.
So Sam Simmonds to probably start and maybe it will be Zac Mercer on the bench?
Or will Eddie bring in someone with more (premiership) experience than Zac?

With the idiot Marler banned, Beno to bench t loosehead?

 
opti
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Re: England & 6 Nations
14 January, 2018 17:14
Haskell likely to miss openers too, though Billyís injury might just sway the panel to fíing mitigating factors!

 
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Re: England & 6 Nations
14 January, 2018 17:58
Potentially not good for Bath's top 6 hopes if we lose Mercer and Obano for the 6N as well.



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DanWiley
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Re: England & 6 Nations
14 January, 2018 21:08
Is obano really hitting at that weight? He's been good for us but...

 
by
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Re: England & 6 Nations
14 January, 2018 21:27
I think it wouldn't matter who is on the bench, Mako will be playing the full 80 until Marler is able to play.

 
cb2
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Re: England & 6 Nations
16 January, 2018 15:19
The form of quite a few guys is poor. Nobody new is demanding to be picked. Armand could be a shout but will he make the squad? He might play Robshaw at 8, and Lawes on the flank with Simmons or Underhill.

 
P G Tips
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Re: England & 6 Nations
16 January, 2018 16:49
CB2

Agreed- looks a good combo. However, if he wants a like for like replacement No 8 he needs a heavy carrier. What price a return (as stop gap) for Morgan?


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DorsetBoy
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Re: England & 6 Nations
17 January, 2018 16:01
4 week ban for Haskell so he misses the first 2 Six Nations matches too.

 
cb2
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Re: England & 6 Nations
17 January, 2018 16:34
That may cost him.

 
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shipwrecked (IP Logged)

Re: England & 6 Nations
17 January, 2018 16:36
So Eddie has a back row problem, possible prop issues, Lawes off form, George Ford playing in a struggling side and all this before the first game. Add to that the resurgent Scots and poor Champions cup performances by English clubs.

It will be a tester for him for sure, Opti could be right.

 
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jayeatman (IP Logged)

Re: England & 6 Nations
18 January, 2018 08:56
Squad's out: Beno 'unavailable'.
Backs

Full backs
Mike Brown (Harlequins)
Nathan Earle (Saracens) *
Harry Mallinder (Northampton Saints) *
Jonny May (Leicester Tigers)
Denny Solomona (Sale Sharks)
Anthony Watson (Bath Rugby)

Inside backs
Danny Care (Harlequins)
Owen Farrell (Saracens)
George Ford (Leicester Tigers)
Jonathan Joseph (Bath Rugby)
Alex Lozowski (Saracens)
Jack Nowell (Exeter Chiefs)
Henry Slade (Exeter Chiefs)
Ben Teío (Worcester Warriors)
Marcus Smith (Harlequins) * **
Ben Youngs (Leicester Tigers)

Forwards

Back five
Gary Graham (Newcastle Falcons) *
Nick Isiekwe (Saracens)
Maro Itoje (Saracens)
George Kruis (Saracens)
Courtney Lawes (Northampton Saints)
Joe Launchbury (Wasps)
Zach Mercer (Bath Rugby) *
Chris Robshaw (Harlequins)
Sam Simmonds (Exeter Chiefs)
Sam Underhill (Bath Rugby)

Front row
Lewis Boyce (Harlequins) *
Dan Cole (Leicester Tigers)
Tom Dunn (Bath Rugby) *
Jamie George (Saracens)
Dylan Hartley (Northampton Saints)
Alec Hepburn (Exeter Chiefs) *
Kyle Sinckler (Harlequins)
Mako Vunipola (Saracens)
Harry Williams (Exeter Chiefs)

Players unavailable
Tom Curry (Sale Sharks)
Elliot Daly (Wasps)
Charlie Ewels (Bath Rugby)
Piers Francis (Northampton Saints)
Ellis Genge (Leicester Tigers)
James Haskell (Wasps)
Nathan Hughes (Wasps)
Joe Marler (Harlequins)
Matt Mullan (Wasps)
Beno Obano (Bath Rugby)
Semesa Rokoduguni (Bath Rugby)
Will Spencer (Worcester Warriors)
Billy Vunipola (Saracens)

 
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JimDaff (IP Logged)

Re: England & 6 Nations
18 January, 2018 09:24
Interesting to see Mercer upgraded from an apprentice to merely uncapped...

 
Bath85
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Re: England & 6 Nations
18 January, 2018 09:27
Whats happened to Beno?...if hes picked up an injury you gotta feel for the guy the game before he gets a shot...



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cb2
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Re: England & 6 Nations
18 January, 2018 09:27
Is Nowell competing for centre?

 
HMilner
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Re: England & 6 Nations
18 January, 2018 09:38
Wow a lot more players out than I had realised. Going to be a bit of a make shift starting lineup at times. First real big test for Eddie given the lack of form of some of his starters but yet the lack of depth with injuries elsewhere!

I personally see EJ start with the following matchday 23 for game 1 - relatively conservative but his most experienced/consistent team he can put out;

Mako
Hartley (I'd rather see George start but this is EJ's likely choice)
Cole
Itoje
Launchbury
Lawes
Robshaw
Simmonds

Youngs
Ford
May
Farrell
Joseph
Watson
Brown

Bench: Genge (is he fit?), George, Harry Williams, Kruis OR Isiekwe, Z. Mercer, Care, Slade



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ChippenhamRoman
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Re: England & 6 Nations
18 January, 2018 09:39
Add Priestland and an Injured Falateau (in the squad but still injured, did that not happen last year) into the Wales Squad.

J

 
timfrombrighton
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Re: England & 6 Nations
18 January, 2018 10:22
Interesting that former BBW Will Spencer is named on the Unavailable list. Heís clearly in Eddieís thoughts.

 
Shorty Shorty iiv
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Re: England & 6 Nations
18 January, 2018 11:09
Says Beno is unavailable, did he pick up an injury against scarlets?



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P G Tips
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Re: England & 6 Nations
18 January, 2018 11:56
Something like that Big Dog- although I am not sure he will play Robshaw at 7. The back row is the real challenge for his first 2 matches- so far he has built that around the carrying of Vunipola or Hughes. Without the go forward and initiative provided by a heavy duty carrier I suspect he will want more pace and turnover ability at 7- so Simmonds or Underhill may get the nod.

Whatever trio he chooses it will probably be experimental - maybe a role somewhere for Itoje?

Either Sam or Zach could well get a bench spot.

There will be another back on the bench too- probably Nowell, who can cover several positions.


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TG Kesmo
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Re: England & 6 Nations
18 January, 2018 12:05
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Shorty Shorty iiv
Says Beno is unavailable, did he pick up an injury against scarlets?

apparently injured knee in training this week. Not thought to be too serious. Extremely bad luck for him.

 
opti
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Re: England & 6 Nations
18 January, 2018 13:42
I wonder whether Eddie will ease up on his famously brutal training sessions. If he breaks another England player this week it might just cause a bit of a stir!

 
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shipwrecked (IP Logged)

Re: England & 6 Nations
18 January, 2018 13:53
Not sure he will but with injuries across the Premiership clubs will not be happy if their players return to them on crutches or with HIA's!

 
cb2
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Re: England & 6 Nations
18 January, 2018 13:56
Do Italy have something else planned this time?

 
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shipwrecked (IP Logged)

Re: England & 6 Nations
18 January, 2018 15:55
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Either Sam or Zach could well get a bench spot.

PG

According to this, PG he will be in the starting 15! 8 uncapped players in Italy squad

 
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Rawce (IP Logged)

Re: England & 6 Nations
18 January, 2018 21:37
I must say, it does feel good to see Mercer all over the BBC sport website. Long may it continue. Iím surprised at Beno, if itís not serious, Iíd have expected him to have been an option in the latter games.

 
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Which Tyler (IP Logged)

Re: England & 6 Nations
18 January, 2018 22:24
Later games? It's only the squad for Italy, not the entire 6N



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JimDaff (IP Logged)

Re: England & 6 Nations
18 January, 2018 23:24
If Eddie is going to cap a load of new lads then Italy are the ones to do it against, theyíve relapsed massively since Mallet left. I would like to see a young team out and anyone who plays poorly obviously isnít quite ready yet...

 
dannyf2
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Re: England & 6 Nations
19 January, 2018 08:32
There's something a bit annoying about (rightly so) celebrating the contributions our club makes to the national sides - and getting left short changed when they get injured in Jones' training sessions. We keep getting told how professional the game is, but the retention of these amateur values make a mockery of it all. Club fans, who support week in, week out, lose out. Prawn sandwich England fans don't really care.

 
P G Tips
P G Tips (IP Logged)

Re: England & 6 Nations
19 January, 2018 10:40
A bit simplistic Danny. Agree there is a fixture clash between club and international rugby, but can you really separate the club fan from the England fan?

I, for one, am both!

Oh... and I prefer my prawns in fish pie, curry or pasta.


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HMilner
Big Dog (IP Logged)

Re: England & 6 Nations
19 January, 2018 10:42
As pleased as I am for him, I do hope Zach Mercer does not get a heavy workload with England if capped at all in a way... Despite his rise to prominence he's only 20 and I do think Todd has been very good at managing his workload where possible so far as a result.

Let's hope he's not thrown in the deep end in a difficult 6 Nations campaign for England given the injuries and gets cropped himself! We are already one number 8 down and if we lose Mercer as well we are down to Grant as the only person who plays 8 in our back row resources! It is likely going to force us to play Ewels or someone at flank at times and maybe Josh Bayliss will be blooded a bit more!



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Which Tyler (IP Logged)

Re: England & 6 Nations
19 January, 2018 11:25
@Dannyf2 are you suggesting that players get hurt with England more than they do with Bath? Have you anything to back that up? Or is it simple confirmation bias for a club>country man?



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woodpecker (IP Logged)

Re: England & 6 Nations
19 January, 2018 13:33
I personally can't see what the issue is with prawns, since the advent of Bejam (now Iceland) in 1968, prawns have been well within the reach of the common man.

 
dannyf2
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Re: England & 6 Nations
19 January, 2018 16:58
No, no evidence - just a bath-centric moan based on an availability bias! It has felt like that in the last few years though.
Watch out for those prawns - they'll take over

 
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Which Tyler (IP Logged)

Re: England & 6 Nations
20 January, 2018 11:56

 
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shipwrecked (IP Logged)

Re: England & 6 Nations
20 January, 2018 13:31
Interesting, you have to go to 21/45 before you get to an Irish player !

 
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shipwrecked (IP Logged)

Re: England & 6 Nations
21 January, 2018 11:25
Has the Wales fixture just got easier? Dan Biggar almost definitely out and Liam Williams could have a groin problem.

 
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hasta (IP Logged)

Re: England & 6 Nations
21 January, 2018 11:33
Way way way more worried about Ireland.

 
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shipwrecked (IP Logged)

Re: England & 6 Nations
21 January, 2018 11:43
Agree, but at least its the last game so we will know what we need to do by then.

 
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hasta (IP Logged)

Re: England & 6 Nations
21 January, 2018 11:55
Pretty sure we know what we'll need to do know, i.e. beat them!

 
Boldangrey
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Re: England & 6 Nations
21 January, 2018 14:04
We knew what we needed 2 years ago!

 
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Which Tyler (IP Logged)

Re: England & 6 Nations
23 January, 2018 12:22
I watched the Sarries Saints match yesterday afternoon, and Mallinder really stood out. We've known for a while that he has those moments where he just lacks bottle (along with excuses about his shoulder, which don't hold water after 2 years), and I'd seen enough this season to label him an actual coward (by the standards of a professional rugby player) - and been criticised for doing so.
There were just so many of those moments in that match that I actually started watching his performance specifically after the 2nd I mention here (there was a third too, but I couldn't remember what or when)...

13m 55s hides behind the post to leave 2 Saints to defend 4-5 Sarries as Mako scores.
16m 33s he literally steps back away from the pass to himself to avoid being hit.
27m 14s he actually "tries" to tackle Barritt, but terrible body position means he gives up about 3m (it's only that little as Pisi makes his tackles for him, Mallinder himself just gets bounced back) - Ford gets criticised for this sort of thing, Harry's got 8 inches and 3.5 stone less of excuse (I initially put 6" and 3st, and thought I was exaggerating, and checked).
33m 34s this one might be harsh, but he looks pretty good for a charge down, but sits back on his heels with his arms in the air as a pretence.
34m 31s doesn't want to be tackled by Farrell, so just gives him the ball instead.

And now he's in the England squad...

ETA: don't get me wrong, he did some good things, and other bad things, but these seem like flaws based on fear of pain, and that's one flaw that I can't see being ironed out by coaching.



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OutsideBath (IP Logged)

Re: England & 6 Nations
23 January, 2018 12:39
Calling a player a coward is a pretty serious charge, only worse to be called a cheat.

I haven't paid him a great deal of attention as he's not a Bath player so can't agree or disagree. However do you really think Eddie would have a coward in his squad?



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BathBurger
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Re: England & 6 Nations
23 January, 2018 12:40
Completely agree WT.

Something about consistent defensive fragility has always bugged me. Mallinder is still top of the list for tackles missed in the prem and that speaks volumes. In your list you mention that you may be being a little harsh but I don't think you are. Once you look at a players body language there's little denying if they are committed or not, and Mallinder is not committed.

That being said Eddie has brought out the best in the players so far and cut the fat too. Hopefully young Mallinder will come good under his tutelage. On the other hand I just think he might always be a liability in defence which is what wins matches at international level.

For example 2nd test in Australia before half time. 30 odd phases England defended in their own 22. Three players lost a boot and two lost scrumcaps (not important, just shows a level of commitment). Would Mallinder be a weakness in a similar situation? Yes.

 
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hasta (IP Logged)

Re: England & 6 Nations
23 January, 2018 13:25
Mallinder is quality in attack, but agree that he's got some issues in defence. Not unlike Cipriani.

 
opti
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Re: England & 6 Nations
23 January, 2018 13:31
I think calling anyone who walks out on to a rugby pitch a coward is completely out of order. Players have to make a net contribution to the overall cause, but they don't all have to be equally good at everything. I've got no particular view on Mallinder - either his strong or weak points - but i absolutely reject the use of the word coward.

 
DanWiley
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Re: England & 6 Nations
23 January, 2018 13:58
What word would you use to describe someone who appears to be afraid of contact?

 
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hasta (IP Logged)

Re: England & 6 Nations
23 January, 2018 14:00
'half-back'

 
Boldangrey
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Re: England & 6 Nations
23 January, 2018 14:04
Wilkinson and Farrell weren't afraid of contact at half back.

 
DanWiley
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Re: England & 6 Nations
23 January, 2018 14:20
I thought we were trying to be less offensive?

 
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jayeatman (IP Logged)

Re: England & 6 Nations
23 January, 2018 14:39
'old-fashioned half-back' perhaps?

From the good-ole-days when the forwards never took a backward step and the backs kept their kit clean.



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Which Tyler (IP Logged)

Re: England & 6 Nations
23 January, 2018 14:51
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I think calling anyone who walks out on to a rugby pitch a coward is completely out of order. Players have to make a net contribution to the overall cause, but they don't all have to be equally good at everything. I've got no particular view on Mallinder - either his strong or weak points - but i absolutely reject the use of the word coward.
That would be preciesly why each time I've used the word, it's been in the context of being a professional rugby player.
In comparison to his peers, he is a coward. In comparison to we mere mortals, he is not.

Once he has accepted a contract to play rugby professionally, he will be judged (by me) as a professional rugby player.
I've even noted 6 occassions within 30 minutes where he exhibited cowardice on the rugby pitch.
Yeah, old-fashioned half-backs didn't see tackling as their job, and needed to get back in line; they didn't specifically drop the ball rather than be tackled though; and I don't think many of them would have hidden behind the goal post and given away a try rather than attempt a tackle. Plenty would also commit to a charge-down if given the opportunity to embarass their opposite number.

Every criticism we ever make of a pro rugby player is understood to be in relation to their peers; not to mere mortals. Why is this one word different? or do you think it's impossible to be both a pro rugby player and less brave than your fellow rugby players (even though it's obvious, and regularly commented on that you CAN be more brave than your peers)



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opti
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Re: England & 6 Nations
23 January, 2018 15:17
It's a very strong and emotive word. I don't like it being used about a player.

 
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Re: England & 6 Nations
23 January, 2018 15:36
You have absolutely no idea what was going through his head at those times so don't put your spin on it. What about all the tackles he does make - are those abberations - he forgot to run away to the dressing room waving a white flag.

 
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CoochieCoo (IP Logged)

Re: England & 6 Nations
23 January, 2018 15:45
A player who puts a rugby shirt on is not a coward. He goes out there knowing he may well get hurt. This sort of language is no better than saying a player is not trying and doesn't deserve to wear the shirt.



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Re: England & 6 Nations
23 January, 2018 15:54
Our Henry called up to replace Kyle Sinclair



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ballsout
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Re: England & 6 Nations
23 January, 2018 16:01
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Calling a player a coward is a pretty serious charge, only worse to be called a cheat.

Lol.

Call them a cheat and they'd laugh at you. Every player cheats on the field, multiple times, or at the very least tries to.

 
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woodpecker (IP Logged)

Re: England & 6 Nations
23 January, 2018 19:39
As Optimist says itís a very emotive word (1st WW and all that)

However itís Which Tyler who is eminently sensible and there donít seem to be many other words in the English language to describe this sort of behaviour.

I assume the bloody frogs have 17 (joke)

 
Trawling
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Re: England & 6 Nations
23 January, 2018 20:26
In a different era, John Horton would walk off a mud bath pitch with clean kit. But in those days it was the back row's job to defend that channel and we had the guys for the job. He also had a fantastic bull fighter's side-step.

It's Sinckler, not Sinclair. I know it's a bit trivial but on a site where players are frequently accused of all sorts taking the time to get names right does not seem a lot to ask.



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shipwrecked (IP Logged)

Re: England & 6 Nations
23 January, 2018 21:04
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It's Sinckler, not Sinclair. I know it's a bit trivial but on a site where players are frequently accused of all sorts taking the time to get names right does not seem a lot to ask.

I agree Trawling, but sometimes autocorrect takes over, CC's usually pretty accurate on his rugby!

 
Bath Hammer
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Re: England & 6 Nations
24 January, 2018 00:13
[quote) George Ford playing in a struggling side

Thatís not unusual.

 
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shipwrecked (IP Logged)

Re: England & 6 Nations
24 January, 2018 09:16
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http://www.rugbyrebels.co/board/download/file.php?id=433

Just to reinforce WT's observation Matt Dawson agrees.

Just wondering if Irelands reduced work load makes them favourite for the 6N's.

 
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shipwrecked (IP Logged)

Re: England & 6 Nations
24 January, 2018 13:21
Robshaw probably out with a back injury and Brown has blurred vision. The chances of Sam Underhill and Zac Mercer playing somewhat enhanced. If Underhill plays lets hope his new revised 'tackling technique' is employed so he does come back with an HIA!

 
opti
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Re: England & 6 Nations
24 January, 2018 13:24
Given that the Lions tour finished at the beginning of July - i'm amazed that the single biggest workload is the equivalent of 10 games of rugby by Lawes.

In 6 whole months (Jul-Dec), that doesn't seem too bad. The Sarries group of Faz, Maro, George and Mako are coming out at between 7 and 8.5 games.

Maybe Iain Henderson is a bit undercooked, hence Ulster's ordinary performance against Wasps?

Then again - it's not so much what state they are in now, as what state they will be in once the 6Ns gets underway.

 
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hasta (IP Logged)

Re: England & 6 Nations
24 January, 2018 13:38
That's only domestic minutes, doesn't count AIs.

 
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Re: England & 6 Nations
24 January, 2018 14:29
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Robshaw probably out with a back injury and Brown has blurred vision. The chances of Sam Underhill and Zac Mercer playing somewhat enhanced. If Underhill plays lets hope his new revised 'tackling technique' is employed so he does come back with an HIA!

Are you sure "does" is what you mean shipwrecked? Or have you been autocorrected?

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Which Tyler (IP Logged)

Re: England & 6 Nations
24 January, 2018 14:38
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Given that the Lions tour finished at the beginning of July - i'm amazed that the single biggest workload is the equivalent of 10 games of rugby by Lawes.
In 6 whole months (Jul-Dec), that doesn't seem too bad. The Sarries group of Faz, Maro, George and Mako are coming out at between 7 and 8.5 games.

Maybe Iain Henderson is a bit undercooked, hence Ulster's ordinary performance against Wasps?

Then again - it's not so much what state they are in now, as what state they will be in once the 6Ns gets underway.
a quick look on statbunker suggests that it's just Premiership, so not including AIs or Champions Cup (they have Lawes with 812 Prem minutes + 400 EPCR + 210 AIs)
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Re: England & 6 Nations
24 January, 2018 15:42
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shipwrecked
Robshaw probably out with a back injury and Brown has blurred vision. The chances of Sam Underhill and Zac Mercer playing somewhat enhanced. If Underhill plays lets hope his new revised 'tackling technique' is employed so he does come back with an HIA!

Are you sure "does" is what you mean shipwrecked? Or have you been autocorrected?

PG

Mmmm...if autocorrect means I can't type then probably PGT it should say does not come back with an HIA!

Should have checked, careless of me sorry.

 
Trev's Big Tackle
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Re: England & 6 Nations
24 January, 2018 16:20
Doesn't the England central contract limit game time for those in the squad? Will the RFU look to impose further limits if "their" players are overworked compared to Irish / Welsh / Scots? Especially if we have a poor 6 nations...

 
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Re: England & 6 Nations
24 January, 2018 20:10
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I wonder whether Eddie will ease up on his famously brutal training sessions. If he breaks another England player this week it might just cause a bit of a stir!

Great spot Opti - Eddie announces revised training plan,

There is a paragraph in this article about the back rowers training, made me laugh about Nick Isiekwe however, no mention of Sam Underhill. Have I missed something?

 
opti
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Re: England & 6 Nations
25 January, 2018 10:42
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That's only domestic minutes, doesn't count AIs.

Ah - ok - i'll return to my normal narrative, which is that the players are being flogged into the ground, and that England run the risk of turning up to RWC19 with a team that is too exhausted to get across the finishing line.

 
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hasta (IP Logged)

Re: England & 6 Nations
25 January, 2018 11:04
Well, there's a three test tour this summer - they finish 23rd June. And there's no tour the subsequent year (but presumably a few warm up games in August).

Lions year is always a killer. I'd usually expect France to win the 6N, but they're batsh1t. Ireland really should be strong favourite - although the trip to Twickenham will likely be the hardest.

 
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Re: England & 6 Nations
25 January, 2018 11:45
If I were Eddie, I would be giving all of his key players the Italy game off - Brown, Robshaw, Itoje - if they're carrying niggles, don't force them. If Bath can smash Treviso away, then England's 3rd XV ought to be able to see off Italy. And if they can't, so what? The useful evidence of how ready England are to challenge for the World Cup is not in the result against Italy, it's in the results against Ireland, France and Scotland.

 
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Re: England & 6 Nations
25 January, 2018 11:52
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Lions year is always a killer. I'd usually expect France to win the 6N, but they're batsh1t. Ireland really should be strong favourite - although the trip to Twickenham will likely be the hardest.

Well Warren Gatland disagrees, he thinks Wales will win it based on Scarlets beating Bath recently!

 
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hasta (IP Logged)

Re: England & 6 Nations
25 January, 2018 14:54
What if it rains?

Yeah, and Howley thinks that Scarlets performance is down to him telling all the regions to work on their forwards handling in the summer of 2016. Obvs.

 
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Re: England & 6 Nations
25 January, 2018 16:22
Rains...in Wales....are you serious? I'll have you know there is a 58% chance at the moment.

 
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Re: England & 6 Nations
26 January, 2018 14:29
Conor Wilson on England's attacking patterns - apparently there are some...

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Re: England & 6 Nations
29 January, 2018 15:52
[www.bbc.co.uk] Haskell and Marler called up

 
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Re: England & 6 Nations
29 January, 2018 19:42
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Lions year is always a killer. I'd usually expect France to win the 6N, but they're batsh1t. Ireland really should be strong favourite - although the trip to Twickenham will likely be the hardest.

Well Warren Gatland disagrees, he thinks Wales will win it based on Scarlets beating Bath recently!

Is that the same Scarlets beaten by Quins 35-7 at the weekend ? (Sm128)

 
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Re: England & 6 Nations
29 January, 2018 19:46
Unfortunately no, itís an almost entirely different Scarlets looking at the teamsheet.

 
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Re: England & 6 Nations
02 February, 2018 09:17
[www.bbc.co.uk]

Centre Ben Te'o has been preferred to Jonathan Joseph for England's Six Nations opener against Italy in Rome on Sunday.

 
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Re: England & 6 Nations
02 February, 2018 10:01
That's a very strange decision in my opinion? JJ been a mainstay and always seems to play considerably better for England than Bath imo. Wonder whether there is a particular gameplan in place here for Italy?

Te'o hasn't played since October or something which is strange!



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Re: England & 6 Nations
02 February, 2018 10:20
It had been rumoured for a week or so that Teo will start at 13, most of the speculation stems from the need to bolster up the backline in the absence of Billy and Nathan.

 
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Re: England & 6 Nations
02 February, 2018 10:21
I'll bet Worcester are steaming.

 
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Re: England & 6 Nations
02 February, 2018 10:28
Ben for JJ doesn't seem so strange to me. let's be honest, this is a game we should win, now is the time to try out Ben at 13. If we were doing it against Ireland I'd have questions.

 
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Re: England & 6 Nations
02 February, 2018 12:18
Have to question Brown, Teo and Youngs being selected to start, and George is way better than Dylan.
At least Launchberry is starting.

 
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Re: England & 6 Nations
02 February, 2018 12:24
I dont often see Care and Youngs play for their clubs so dont know their current form, But Care always looks like a signficantly better player for England than Youngs, not sure why he is always benched - I think he started against Samoa, but well it's Samoa

 
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Re: England & 6 Nations
02 February, 2018 12:41
Youngs has completely lost the spark he had 4/5 years back when his pass was reasonable, he didn't to the Mike Phillips three step shuffle, and he made great sniping breaks.

I doubt many fans would have him near the squad at present.

 
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Re: England & 6 Nations
02 February, 2018 14:09
Incredible that, after all the attrition of the season, England are fielding a starting XV that is only Billy V short of Eddieís likely first choice. Daly too, but even he isnít completely nailed on over May. I suspect England are going to absolutely hammer Italy.

 
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Re: England & 6 Nations
02 February, 2018 15:19
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I dont often see Care and Youngs play for their clubs so dont know their current form, But Care always looks like a signficantly better player for England than Youngs, not sure why he is always benched - I think he started against Samoa, but well it's Samoa
Of the two of them, whoever benches always looks the better of the two. It's about the only consistent thing about either of them.
From what I've seen at club level, Care is in much better form than Youngs currently. Of course, with these two, form may completely reverse within 10 minutes of game-time...



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Re: England & 6 Nations
02 February, 2018 15:25
I agree with you Optimist. Eddie has done a great job in painting the England team as a team missing several "key" players but then I look at the team sheet and as you rightly said, It is only missng Billy and Daly. I do think Daly is preferred to May by Jones.

13/15 First choice players is not bad for a team with an "Injury Crisis"

 
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Re: England & 6 Nations
02 February, 2018 17:57
I could see Faz, Te'o, JJ but Te'o at 13 seems an odd choice. He has great feet and a deft offload which would be much better suited to 12. Maybe they'll try it in the second half (I'm assuming JJ will be on the bench).



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Re: England & 6 Nations
03 February, 2018 09:33
Faz, T'eo and JJ I think world come unstuck when they play a team with something about them. Just too predictable.

 
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Re: England & 6 Nations
03 February, 2018 20:18
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Has the Wales fixture just got easier? Dan Biggar almost definitely out and Liam Williams could have a groin problem.

On today's evidence no. Patchell took the ball to the line better than Biggar usually does Adams and Evans were highly dangerous runners.

Wales' attack looked pretty potent to be honest.


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Which Tyler (IP Logged)

Re: England & 6 Nations
03 February, 2018 21:09
Somewhat helped by some massive holes on defence.
That I recall, the only try that Wales actually earned through good play and manipulation of the defensive line, required a very forward pass to succeed



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Re: England & 6 Nations
03 February, 2018 23:11
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Has the Wales fixture just got easier? Dan Biggar almost definitely out and Liam Williams could have a groin problem.

On today's evidence no. Patchell took the ball to the line better than Biggar usually does Adams and Evans were highly dangerous runners.

Wales' attack looked pretty potent to be honest.


PG

Patchell is pretty dangerous, luckily Scarlets often stick him at 15 where he is less of a threat. Gatland has had all those players (except Adams) for a long while but only picks them when injury forces him.

Wales won't find the ball as readily available with the England pack, I think we have the backs to win but I worry a bit about G Ford and Patchell, he is faster and trickier than Biggar and Priestland. Anyway got to beat Italy first!


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