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Boldangrey
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Re: Quins match thread
05 March, 2018 14:06
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i'm absolutely staggered at Smith's lack of pace and stamina. He'd only been on for about 20 minutes against Zach's 80; and Zach gave him at least 10 metres and possibly even from a standing start.

Faletau (after 80 mins of playing) and Charles (a front row) were not far behind.

 
Beergoggles
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Re: Quins match thread
05 March, 2018 14:08
I wasn't going to go on Friday night but after hearing all the doomsayers on here I've decided to splurge £11.50 on a terrace ticket because I reckon that right now the boys in BB&W could do with all the support they can get. Given the number of tickets available for sale on the website in all areas that might not be very much support at all.

This is the time to get behind the boys. You never know we might even win the game and you might even enjoy the experience.

 
Boldangrey
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Re: Quins match thread
05 March, 2018 14:11
Well said BG.

I will be travelling an hour and a half probably to sit out on a cold wet evening.

I'm a fan. I always live in hope and someday it might just happen.

 
DanWiley
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Re: Quins match thread
05 March, 2018 14:19
"I cant afford to get all the scarves"

Come on, it's only 11 and you're pretty much sorted forever then (perhaps a new one each time a new team is promoted, but even then give them a chance to earn your disloyalty). You could even wait until AFTER the match then decide who to support, surefire win that way.

 
Boldangrey
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Re: Quins match thread
05 March, 2018 14:28
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"I cant afford to get all the scarves"
Come on, it's only 11 and you're pretty much sorted forever then (perhaps a new one each time a new team is promoted, but even then give them a chance to earn your disloyalty). You could even wait until AFTER the match then decide who to support, surefire win that way.

+1

 
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woodpecker (IP Logged)

Re: Quins match thread
05 March, 2018 14:48
I'm not buying a Gloucester one

 
DanWiley
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Re: Quins match thread
05 March, 2018 15:08
Another saving. Perhaps you could get those ones where they split the scarf down the middle, that way you only need 5?

Thinking about this, the club could be ahead of the curve here, season tickets for people who don't want to see Bath win, they could leave out a few of the bottom of the table clashes where Bath might do well. All they need to do is get the team to play bad...

 
BathMatt53
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Re: Quins match thread
05 March, 2018 15:26
Good work Zach, I’ll bet Eddie loves stuff like that!

 
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shipwrecked (IP Logged)

Re: Quins match thread
05 March, 2018 15:47
BG and BnG outstanding!

 
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woodpecker (IP Logged)

Re: Quins match thread
05 March, 2018 16:15
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Another saving. Perhaps you could get those ones where they split the scarf down the middle, that way you only need 5?
Thinking about this, the club could be ahead of the curve here, season tickets for people who don't want to see Bath win, they could leave out a few of the bottom of the table clashes where Bath might do well. All they need to do is get the team to play bad...

Maybe they could do a deal with First Great Western for cheap Exeter tickets on those days

 
Kidney Stone
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Re: Quins match thread
05 March, 2018 18:29
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Optimist
i'm absolutely staggered at Smith's lack of pace and stamina. He'd only been on for about 20 minutes against Zach's 80; and Zach gave him at least 10 metres and possibly even from a standing start.

I think that episode will be a real embarrassment for Smith.

Reckon Uncle Eddie will be taking note too.

Zach and Elliott Stooke worked their ar$es off on Sunday, and that chase down - when in honesty the game was gone - epitomises a spirit that sets these guys aside from many of the others.

BTW, someone earlier on suggested giving ES the captaincy. I would do that in a heartbeat.

 
Rokoholic
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Re: Quins match thread
05 March, 2018 18:30
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Someone inferred Ewels is the leader we need. Why and what single thing did he do that turned us around today? He didn't do anything ( as usual) and never has in my line of vision!

I can't understand this slating of Charlie Ewels specifically. He is a classy lineout operator, has good hands (watch his slick offload to Catt in the second half yesterday that won us 10 yards), works hard and makes very few mistakes. I remember him being thrust into number 8 against Toulouse at home a few years back and performing admirably. Besides, Eddie Jones must see something in him that warrants continued selection.

I personally do see him as a future captain and he's certainly not the reason Bath are underperforming.

 
Kidney Stone
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Re: Quins match thread
05 March, 2018 18:34
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woodpecker
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DanWiley
Another saving. Perhaps you could get those ones where they split the scarf down the middle, that way you only need 5?
Thinking about this, the club could be ahead of the curve here, season tickets for people who don't want to see Bath win, they could leave out a few of the bottom of the table clashes where Bath might do well. All they need to do is get the team to play bad...

Maybe they could do a deal with First Great Western for cheap Exeter tickets on those days

Or you could be like that bandana wearing cameraman mush, that wears one sock from each team. That's gotta be cheaper.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 05/03/2018 20:52 by Kidney Stone.

 
BathMatt53
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Re: Quins match thread
05 March, 2018 18:34
You and everyone else except 1 Rokoholic.

 
Bathovalballer
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Re: Quins match thread
05 March, 2018 19:19
What has he done? Won a lineout? He is a second row held 10 feet up on the air. What else? B ------- all. We have had too many soft, deep thinking second rows like the ineffective Hooper and now the possibility of the same from Ewels. No thanks. We need someone who has done it and has the power and grunt to carry it out leading from the front.

 
BathMatt53
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Re: Quins match thread
05 March, 2018 19:36
You said on the other thread that nobody would come to us. How about Retallick and Etzebeth, with Itoje as back-up?

 
Bathovalballer
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Re: Quins match thread
05 March, 2018 20:01
Can you see those guys Matt signing for an outfit like ours? Etzebeth would be my choice, along with Stooke in the second row, get rid of the coasting Charteris, sell the ineffectual Ewels and we can assume Attwood is gone. Build a pack around him. Hoopless would not be able to tell him what to do because he has already done it and would give him a slap if didn't like it.

But for us to sign that quality we need to show ambition and improvement which our present squad are mainly incapable of.

 
BathMatt53
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Re: Quins match thread
05 March, 2018 20:09
No BoB, that was the point I was making. Second and back row are not areas that we should be concerned about too much IMO. We have positions which are much more critical.

 
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shipwrecked (IP Logged)

Re: Quins match thread
05 March, 2018 21:14
I agree Matt, right now we need a prime 9, Kahn was it last year, I personally don't think Cook is. Need a "Matt Dawson" (sorry if that offends), someone to boss the game through their own personality when everyones head falls off!

 
Bath Supporter Jack

Re: Quins match thread
05 March, 2018 21:35
I started a reply this morning but IT issues meant my comments got lost.

Front row weak with penalty magnet Henry Thomas conceding his usual number, looking equally perplexed on the first one as the last one. Also seems to spill the ball in contact in really critical places.

Max Lahiff concedes a penalty and gets yellow card.......even though J P has to blow up for the penalty and jog 30 to 40 yards to mark the penalty......we are clearly incapable of getting in position to defend it.

Kahn takes for ever to get organised for the box kick which invariably means we give away possession 20 to 30 yards upfield. Our wingers don't compete because they are terrified of getting a yellow card.

Why is it that opposing scrum halves seem to make many yards forward whereas we seem to be be tackled after one yard.

Tapuia has been off form now for about three months..........his play is highly predictable.

I don't understand why the backs do the little grubber kicks which normally just gives the ball to their back three in space. Why not kick higher and longer to go near the touch and compete on the ball putting an isolated winger under pressure.

Banners has been a great Club man and has always been one of my favourite members of the squad. However it seems on 'ere that people have taken on board Mr Barnier's and Mr Tusk's cake philosophy, i.e. Have your cake and eat it. With a salary cap, players and players agents demanding more money.......and us the fans "demanding" more new better players the cap runs out.

To say above I was being stupid and beastly to Banners because he scored a try is just plain disengenuous. Every body in the Bath set up could have scored that try.

Some of you will be aware of James Haskell.......he is also like Banners 32 years old. Unlike Banners he was named England Man of the Series against Australia in 2016 and was called up to join the Lions in the Summer last year. He has been released by his childhood club with no contract at all unlike Banners.

The salary cap means you have no room for charitable gestures.

 
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hasta (IP Logged)

Re: Quins match thread
05 March, 2018 21:55
Good to see that after 29 minutes back on the pitch, a lock is responsible for the total lack of pace, dynamism and subtlety in our attack. Not to mention the brainless penalties of our front row.

 
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shipwrecked (IP Logged)

Re: Quins match thread
05 March, 2018 22:12
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Good to see that after 29 minutes back on the pitch, a lock is responsible for the total lack of pace, dynamism and subtlety in our attack. Not to mention the brainless penalties of our front row.

The first 10 of that 29 was with 14 on the pitch due to a yellow.

 
Rokoholic
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Re: Quins match thread
06 March, 2018 00:05
Actually agree that Charteris isn't really worth it any more - he is only available half the time and looks increasingly slow. But, even if you think he is out of form, the idea of "selling" a 22 year old home grown second row with 6 England caps to his name already is daft.

 
ballsout
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Re: Quins match thread
06 March, 2018 03:16
Not sure getting rid of one of our few leaders in Charteris is that clever.

 
BathMatt53
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Re: Quins match thread
06 March, 2018 05:15
Nothing that I have seen of Charteris makes me think that he is a leader - he is definitely one that I would think is not great value under the cap (and example of why a long contract is not ideal for an older player IMO). I guess the management must rate him as one if they make him captain.

 
B4thB4ck
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Re: Quins match thread
06 March, 2018 08:16
Just out of interest, how can any of us judge who is a good leader? None of us are at training, in the changing rooms or on the pitch. We might see someone talking during breaks of play but do not know what was said unless the ref mic picks up a few seconds of something. I am fascinated to find out, maybe there is a player mic that I haven't heard of....

I also read of great teams having lots of leaders. Is that really a good idea? Seems to me too many leaders makes for muddled thinking.

Only the players know who are the good leaders, they hear it and feel it. We assume only the winning team have a great leader. Not true.

 
Boldangrey
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Re: Quins match thread
06 March, 2018 08:31
B4B

Correct, you can't always see leadership from the stands. There are times when the Capt calls a huddle when you see it in action.

I could never understand Bath having 2 captains at one stage. Who made the final decision, who did the ref talk to - he must have been the actual captain.

When you say 'lots of leaders' perhaps you mean decision makers, people who can be relied on to do the right thing under pressure. These are the old heads who support the captain and set the example for the less experienced.

 
Bathovalballer
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Re: Quins match thread
06 March, 2018 08:56
Fully agree about your 2 captains post BnG. As you say the older heads should be showing and guiding the younger less experienced guys. Unfortunately, neither our appointed captain or the on field leaders have had much affect this season, and definitely when they are needed with things going wrong. Or is it the players don't like direction or are unable to respond? I do find this situation of on field leadership baffling and if the coaches can be criticised for anything, it is their appointment of our playing captain. Lets hope an effective leader emerges from the group and very soon.

 
B4thB4ck
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Re: Quins match thread
06 March, 2018 09:02
Yes, I am not saying Bath have it right. Continuity of captain would be beneficial though not always possible of course.

The players won't say who is the best captain either as that implies the others aren't great.

Its one of those topics that you find out more about when past players talk about old times. Johnson with England for example. Not a coaching success but the RWC players would have followed him anywhere and perhaps the sort of example BoB is referring to.

 
Boldangrey
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Re: Quins match thread
06 March, 2018 10:49
If you think Bath have difficulties with a captains, look at Eddie Jones's problems!

 
Navyquin
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Re: Quins match thread
06 March, 2018 16:28
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Kidney Stone
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i'm absolutely staggered at Smith's lack of pace and stamina. He'd only been on for about 20 minutes against Zach's 80; and Zach gave him at least 10 metres and possibly even from a standing start.

I think that episode will be a real embarrassment for Smith.

Reckon Uncle Eddie will be taking note too.

Zach and Elliott Stooke worked their ar$es off on Sunday, and that chase down - when in honesty the game was gone - epitomises a spirit that sets these guys aside from many of the others.

BTW, someone earlier on suggested giving ES the captaincy. I would do that in a heartbeat.

To be fair on Smith it is his first premiership season and first professionally and he is leading premiership points scorer so that is really just a minor blip in what is a good first season for the kid.

 
BathMatt53
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Re: Quins match thread
06 March, 2018 16:43
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To be fair on Smith it is his first premiership season and first professionally and he is leading premiership points scorer so that is really just a minor blip in what is a good first season for the kid.

Not sure that has anything to do with a fly half with fresh legs being chased down by a number 8 with 80 mins in his? I would bet money on the fact that he took a ribbing about it from his team mates... No argument with the fact that he is a special talent etc. but he sure needs to do some speed work.

 
opti
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Re: Quins match thread
06 March, 2018 16:55
Likewise Matt - he is the real deal, no question about that. Which is one good reason why I was taken aback. He scored a try a few weeks ago in a confined space with a nice hitch-kick and acceleration. But he clearly isn't a sprinter - which is fine, because he's not a winger. It was all a bit like watching something from David Attenborough - the last 15 metres he looked like a colt with a lion on its tail.

 
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woodpecker (IP Logged)

Re: Quins match thread
06 March, 2018 16:56
Mercer is 6 ft 3, Smith is 5ft 9 , Mercer is 20, Smith is 11

It's not that surprising

 
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shipwrecked (IP Logged)

Re: Quins match thread
06 March, 2018 17:32
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Optimist
Likewise Matt - he is the real deal, no question about that. Which is one good reason why I was taken aback. He scored a try a few weeks ago in a confined space with a nice hitch-kick and acceleration. But he clearly isn't a sprinter - which is fine, because he's not a winger. It was all a bit like watching something from David Attenborough - the last 15 metres he looked like a colt with a lion on its tail.

What impressed me was that Mercer didn't simply get the man but he stopped the try targeting the ball and preventing any presentation of the ball for a try as did Underhill for England.
Seems Bath back rows are becoming specialists at last ditch tackles!

 
opti
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Re: Quins match thread
06 March, 2018 17:56
"Mercer is 6 ft 3, Smith is 5ft 9 , Mercer is 20, Smith is 11"

I appreciate the 11 bit is a joke, but he's actually 19, and Zach is 20, so that bit is irrelevant.

More relevant is that Zach had to lug at least 3 extra stones in weight over 90 metres plus (on the angle). If Zach caught him over 30 metres i'd be less surprised. I'm not sure whether to be more astonished at Zach's fitness, stamina and athleticism or Smith's lack of it - but i'm absolutely certain that Zach's international debut got closer and Smith's further away.

 
BathMatt53
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Re: Quins match thread
06 March, 2018 18:10
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Optimist
i'm absolutely certain that Zach's international debut got closer and Smith's further away.

Or it would have if he hadn't injured himself in the process...

[I can't believe that Marcus Smith is 13st and 5'7" unless his bones are made of lead? maybe that's why he is slow, he should take up deep sea diving]

 
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woodpecker (IP Logged)

Re: Quins match thread
06 March, 2018 18:47
Usain Bolt

Height (6 ft 5 in)
15 stones

 
BathMatt53
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Re: Quins match thread
06 March, 2018 19:14
Lol, pretty sure that’s the first time Zach will have been compared to Usain Bolt!

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