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Shorty Shorty iiv
Shorty Shorty iiv (IP Logged)

Taps officially gone!
06 March, 2018 15:41
Thankyou for the 27 appearances and good luck.

On the offy and BBC.

 
westondave
WestonDave (IP Logged)

Re: Taps officially gone!
06 March, 2018 15:52
Will be interesting to see whether we got the best out of him. From my perspective, he seemed very capable at forcing a couple of defenders to gang tackle him through strong running, but he then consistently failed to give us the advantage of that by offloading. The result far too often was a ruck with slow ball (not his fault our 9's don't seem to want to keep the game moving) and the advantage being lost. But that may well be how he's been told to play.

 
BathMatt53
BathMatt53 (IP Logged)

Re: Taps officially gone!
06 March, 2018 15:58
Yes, like Ollie Barkley all those years ago they seemed to want to turn a not very big chap into a crash ball 12 off deep slow ball. To get any penetration he has to get his head down, pin his ears back and drive in which hasn't allowed many cheeky offloads. Much better when he joined and was a fast and tricky running 12 off fast and flat ball IMO.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 06/03/2018 15:59 by BathMatt53.

 
DanWiley
DanWiley (IP Logged)

Re: Taps officially gone!
06 March, 2018 16:07
His forms certainly seemed to drop of late, perhaps he was already thinking ahead?

I thought he was a good player, he had potential, but his consistency means I'm relatively sanguine about this. His departure (surely) means we are getting our centres in order.

 
Danchinho
Danchinho (IP Logged)

Re: Taps officially gone!
06 March, 2018 16:09
Someone on here was mentioning we've got Rory Jennings who should be ready any year now so perhaps we won't sign anyone else.



I probably don't know what i'm talking about.

 
BathMatt53
BathMatt53 (IP Logged)

Re: Taps officially gone!
06 March, 2018 16:14
Excellent use of the word sanguine.

 
BathMatt53
BathMatt53 (IP Logged)

Re: Taps officially gone!
06 March, 2018 16:17
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Danchinho
Someone on here was mentioning we've got Rory Jennings who should be ready any year now so perhaps we won't sign anyone else.

Jennings is 6 months older than Joe Marchant who is on 52 quins appearances so he had better get his skates on.

 
Danchinho
Danchinho (IP Logged)

Re: Taps officially gone!
06 March, 2018 16:19
Maybe we're going to sign another big winger we can try playing at 12 instead!



I probably don't know what i'm talking about.

 
dcsh
dcsh (IP Logged)

Re: Taps officially gone!
06 March, 2018 16:33
It a shame to see players go after a relatively short time, when he arrived he look dangerous and made some good breaks. Unfortunately the clean breaks seem to have been replaced with either head down charging into contact or aimlessly kicking the ball away, is this the plan or players not listening?

Hopefully we have replacements lined up.

 
Old Bath Tub
Old Bath Tub (IP Logged)

Re: Taps officially gone!
06 March, 2018 16:40
Quote:
Shorty Shorty iiv
Thankyou for the 27 appearances and good luck.
On the offy and BBC.

Agree

Going, but not gone ? do you not think he will play for Bath again ?

 
opti
Optimist (IP Logged)

Re: Taps officially gone!
06 March, 2018 16:46
He's done bits of everything, just not consistently, either within games, or across several games. Even on Sunday against Quins he threw two wonderful, long passes off his left hand. Initially, we wanted to use his booming left-foot kicks, then that all went aimless; sometimes he's seemed like a gainline merchant, other times he's trying to play like a tricky runner, then there's the grubbers.

I really am starting to wonder whether our problems lie more with the coaching than the players. Blackadder has had a hand tied behind his back the whole time, with the loss of Matson and the farcical level of injuries, but if things aren't working you can't change your entire squad, but you can change your coach(s).

I know people like to cry - we don't want to be like football - but it's not the sackings that irritate me, it's more the stupidity of giving managers/coaches over-long contracts and the cost of getting rid of them.

 
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woodpecker (IP Logged)

Re: Taps officially gone!
06 March, 2018 16:49
Quote:
dcsh
It a shame to see players go after a relatively short time, when he arrived he look dangerous and made some good breaks. Unfortunately the clean breaks seem to have been replaced with either head down charging into contact or aimlessly kicking the ball away, is this the plan or players not listening?
Hopefully we have replacements lined up.

I can only assume he got told to play the way he did more recently, he was good to start with

 
Old Bath Tub
Old Bath Tub (IP Logged)

Re: Taps officially gone!
06 March, 2018 17:11
Quote:
Optimist
He's done bits of everything, just not consistently, either within games, or across several games. Even on Sunday against Quins he threw two wonderful, long passes off his left hand. Initially, we wanted to use his booming left-foot kicks, then that all went aimless; sometimes he's seemed like a gainline merchant, other times he's trying to play like a tricky runner, then there's the grubbers.
I really am starting to wonder whether our problems lie more with the coaching than the players. Blackadder has had a hand tied behind his back the whole time, with the loss of Matson and the farcical level of injuries, but if things aren't working you can't change your entire squad, but you can change your coach(s).

I know people like to cry - we don't want to be like football - but it's not the sackings that irritate me, it's more the stupidity of giving managers/coaches over-long contracts and the cost of getting rid of them.

Talking of football, a good point made about the current state of Everton from sports reporter Dominic King. Quote " Farhad Moshiri, the major shareholder, has been at the club for two years now. The Iranian billionaire brought money and bold rhetoric but the one thing that made Everton special, the harmony that linked the team and the fans and the manager, has disappeared.

Nothing functions as it should, nothing feels like Everton. Moshiri needs to understand this.

His key appointments-and signings that followed for big fees and big contracts-have eroded trust.

SUPPORTERS NO LONGER SEE FEARSOME COMPETITORS WHO WILL GIVE EVERYTHING FOR THEM; THEY SEE TOO MANY PEOPLE GOING THROUGH THE MOTIONS.

These fans have been affronted by aimlessness too many times this season.

UNITY IS ON THE BRINK OF BECOMING MUTINY"

I think he has a good point, could he be talking about Bath Rugby ?(Sm128)

 
opti
Optimist (IP Logged)

Re: Taps officially gone!
06 March, 2018 17:21
"could he be talking about Bath Rugby"

The short answer to that is 'no'. And the longer answer has too many expletives.

 
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FourSticks (IP Logged)

Re: Taps officially gone!
07 March, 2018 08:41
Quote:
Shorty shorty iiv
Thankyou for the 27 appearances and good luck.

Doing him a slight disservice. The 27 appearances are premiership matches only. Taps has actually played 41 times for Bath in all competitions.

 
Bath Hammer
Bath Hammer (IP Logged)

Re: Taps officially gone!
07 March, 2018 08:55
Quote:
DanWiley
His forms certainly seemed to drop of late, perhaps he was already thinking ahead?
I thought he was a good player, he had potential, but his consistency means I'm relatively sanguine about this. His departure (surely) means we are getting our centres in order.

Is that so? We have signed a centre who is not a shoe in at LI & that is it so far if I am not mistaken.

 
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hasta (IP Logged)

Re: Taps officially gone!
07 March, 2018 08:58
To be fair that's because he plays for Worcester.

 
BathMatt53
BathMatt53 (IP Logged)

Re: Taps officially gone!
07 March, 2018 09:04
Quote:
hasta
To be fair that's because he plays for Worcester.

If he was really THAT good he would have turned out for both sides on a Saturday.

 
DanWiley
DanWiley (IP Logged)

Re: Taps officially gone!
07 March, 2018 11:56
"Is that so? We have signed a centre who is not a shoe in at LI & that is it so far if I am not mistaken."

I hesitated in saying I was happy with our incoming players, mainly because I just don't know them that well. But in terms of the bigger problem, this bizarre we can run a squad with too few centres (that we've had for quite a few years), surely one of them going means we are going to rectify this?

 
BathMatt53
BathMatt53 (IP Logged)

Re: Taps officially gone!
07 March, 2018 12:06
Quote:
DanWiley
"Is that so? We have signed a centre who is not a shoe in at LI & that is it so far if I am not mistaken."
I hesitated in saying I was happy with our incoming players, mainly because I just don't know them that well. But in terms of the bigger problem, this bizarre we can run a squad with too few centres (that we've had for quite a few years), surely one of them going means we are going to rectify this?

..and with Banners and Lewis also going that's our first choice 12 and also the backups off. Then Hurrell will be back to Bristol so that's another. IMO we need at least 2 more centres, or utility players who can cover centre and even then we would be 2 down. Lets hope Max Wright is ready to play first team rugby.

 
Puxonian
Puxonian (IP Logged)

Re: Taps officially gone!
07 March, 2018 12:08
Quote:
BathMatt53
Excellent use of the word sanguine.

I hate that word

 
DanWiley
DanWiley (IP Logged)

Re: Taps officially gone!
07 March, 2018 12:25
Quote:
Pux
Quote:
BathMatt53
Excellent use of the word sanguine.

I hate that word

I'm quite buoyant about it.

 
DanWiley
DanWiley (IP Logged)

Re: Taps officially gone!
07 March, 2018 12:30
Quote:
BM
..and with Banners and Lewis also going that's our first choice 12 and also the backups off. Then Hurrell will be back to Bristol so that's another. IMO we need at least 2 more centres, or utility players who can cover centre and even then we would be 2 down. Lets hope Max Wright is ready to play first team rugby.

I've never really been happy with banners as a centre, and I think that has been symptomatic of the problem. A couple of out and out centres then we can get the rest from the wing and utility players.

I'm hoping we've looked at what we will have and had a really good think about the delta between that and what we need. These people going actually gives me confidence we have in a way. Get rid of the ones that we can make do with and have a proper strategy.

 
Bath Hammer
Bath Hammer (IP Logged)

Re: Taps officially gone!
07 March, 2018 13:50
Quote:
hasta
To be fair that's because he plays for Worcester.

Sorry but you get my point.

 
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Which Tyler (IP Logged)

Re: Taps officially gone!
07 March, 2018 14:42
Who have we actually got as specialist centres for next year?

Is it currently Joseph, Clarke, Willison and Wright? So still one more than we started this season for. (And yet we demand another 2!).

My biggest wtf about all of this is that this forum simultaneously demands a larger squad; greater quality, whilst not spending a single penny more and not leading to the unhappiness naturally cause by reducing the salary demands of the existing players.
This is, of course, utterly impossible. So what aspect are we willing to sacrifice? In this specific case, how many specialist centres do we need?

How many players do people think we need in a squad; and what should the balance be between the positions?
How do people propose we get there, from a starting point of the 36 men Todd inherited. Bearing in mind that you're not allowed to reduce the quality of player, or reduce the wages of existing players (indeed, club stalwarts need to be paid MORE, even if they're worth less due to age).

I see a lot of @#$%& on this site; I see precious few potential solutions, or even admission of what is an acceptable price to pay. An awful lot of comments about what the country does wrong (everything), and virtually nothing on what it does, or could do, right.

ETA: I grant BoB an exception from this criticism, as he often has suggestions for what the club should do - they're just illegal, or at best, result in 3 successive e seasons of relegation.



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Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 07/03/2018 14:47 by Which Tyler.

 
BathMatt53
BathMatt53 (IP Logged)

Re: Taps officially gone!
07 March, 2018 14:56
Quote:
Which Tyler
Who have we actually got as specialist centres for next year?
Is it currently Joseph, Clarke, Willison and Wright? So still one more than we started this season for. (And yet we demand another 2!).


True, but we have been light with those we already have:

- Joseph: international
- Clarke: lets hope he stops getting injured
- Willison: taps replacement
- Wright: is he ready?

So, during internationals we potentially end up with 3 centres one who is new to prem rugby and one who is injured more often than not. So we use out 12 cover players, of which we have a few currently but are losing at least 2. Does James Wilson have to cover both 10 and 12 (assuming he re-signs?).

Clearly more needed IMO - as I said either specialist or cover.

 
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Which Tyler (IP Logged)

Re: Taps officially gone!
07 March, 2018 14:58
So how many centres do you want?
How much of the salary cap do you want to spend on that unit?
How many players contour want in the overall squad?
How do you propose we pay for it?



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woodpecker (IP Logged)

Re: Taps officially gone!
07 March, 2018 15:10
Quote:
Which Tyler
Who have we actually got as specialist centres for next year?
Is it currently Joseph, Clarke, Willison and Wright? So still one more than we started this season for. (And yet we demand another 2!).

My biggest wtf about all of this is that this forum simultaneously demands a larger squad; greater quality, whilst not spending a single penny more and not leading to the unhappiness naturally cause by reducing the salary demands of the existing players.
This is, of course, utterly impossible. So what aspect are we willing to sacrifice? In this specific case, how many specialist centres do we need?

How many players do people think we need in a squad; and what should the balance be between the positions?
How do people propose we get there, from a starting point of the 36 men Todd inherited. Bearing in mind that you're not allowed to reduce the quality of player, or reduce the wages of existing players (indeed, club stalwarts need to be paid MORE, even if they're worth less due to age).

I see a lot of @#$%& on this site; I see precious few potential solutions, or even admission of what is an acceptable price to pay. An awful lot of comments about what the country does wrong (everything), and virtually nothing on what it does, or could do, right.

ETA: I grant BoB an exception from this criticism, as he often has suggestions for what the club should do - they're just illegal, or at best, result in 3 successive e seasons of relegation.

Dont forget we need to keep anyone who is a 'good bloke'

 
Danchinho
Danchinho (IP Logged)

Re: Taps officially gone!
07 March, 2018 15:18
Quote:
Which Tyler
So how many centres do you want?
How much of the salary cap do you want to spend on that unit?
How many players contour want in the overall squad?
How do you propose we pay for it?

What was Wright like in the games you saw him? As an Aviva Prem centre, how did he do?
Good at getting over the gain line? Head down and crash type? More of silky distribution type?

 
BathMatt53
BathMatt53 (IP Logged)

Re: Taps officially gone!
07 March, 2018 15:32
Quote:
Which Tyler
So how many centres do you want?
How much of the salary cap do you want to spend on that unit?
How many players contour want in the overall squad?
How do you propose we pay for it?

1) We will have lost 4 people who potentially play in that position* and gained 1. So, we would need more than we have at the moment.

2) In terms of salary we have gained 4 salaries so I guess their salaries (or close to it)?

3) We have done squad numbers to death, but 4 centres in the entire squad when we have lots of games, cups. league and call-ups (not to mention injuries) is too few IMO.

4) see 2)

[*Doesn't have to be specialists of course - can't joe cokanasiga cover centre?]

 
DanWiley
DanWiley (IP Logged)

Re: Taps officially gone!
07 March, 2018 16:13
I think 4 is the right number. I bet if you looked at how much game time a 5th centre would actually get I can't see how you'd justify his salary. Let's say you have a first choice that plays 60% of the time, a second choice that plays 30% and "nearly there" academy lad who plays the other 10%. Give those players any less and they won't be happy, anyone who is happy to fill in the gaps won't be good enough to do it anyway. You've got wingers and possibly 10s that can cover and medical jokers for long term injuries.

Do you really need any more?

The same argument applies to most positions:

6 back 3 players
6 back row players
4 second rows

Front row and 9 are exceptions. 10 is interesting but I don't think requires an extra player in the face of cover from 9/12/15.

I'm interested in the idea of beefing up the a A league. I think that could be a really good thing, it forces ALL* teams to increase their squad without making hard and fast rules or just throwing money at it. It will probably lead to wage deflation. I'd run a 15 man under 23 squad of talented players that are not (yet) AP quality, so first contract out of the academy relatively cheap. No deadwood. Only needs 15 as we will have "first team" player getting up to fitness etc.

* If done right. I wouldn't mandate the games (because that doesn't seem to work anyway), but give a cap "bonus" to all teams that met all fixtures in the last year.

 
Bath Supporter Jack

Re: Taps officially gone!
07 March, 2018 20:04
Changing the subject.......a bit I read in my Telegraph this morning that one of the backrow combinations now that Underhill is injured includes James Haskell. That would be the James Haskell that Wasps are not even giving a one year contract to........what an outrageous way to treat a long time Club servant and stalwart!!!!!

 
Boldangrey
Boldangrey (IP Logged)

Re: Taps officially gone!
07 March, 2018 20:17
BSJ
We don't know what Haskell's management are demanding. He hasn't been immediately snapped up by another club.

 
BathMatt53
BathMatt53 (IP Logged)

Re: Taps officially gone!
07 March, 2018 21:38
Both Bris and Worcs reportedly made offers so he’s not going to be on the breadline anytime soon.

 
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hasta (IP Logged)

Re: Taps officially gone!
07 March, 2018 23:27
If we say 45 players, then 5 centres seems minimum. Or at very least 4 plus one centre/wing and one 10/12.

 
Danchinho
Danchinho (IP Logged)

Re: Taps officially gone!
08 March, 2018 09:46
Unless Wright is great player, and i don't believe anyone here knows what he is yet then it's obvious to me we need another centre. Not as cover but as a starter.
Willison must surely be cover. If we've given him top wages i'd astonished. Clarke is young and injury prone and Joseph is only available for half a season.
It's not rocket science, like...



I probably don't know what i'm talking about.


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