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Jeremy Guscott
12 March, 2018 13:57
Re his interview on BBC Sport about EJ and England. It is unbelievable!

Allegedly EJ has failed in his leadership and tactics, and England have only 3 world class players, including Elliot Daly!

How the worms have turned!!

When did Guscott manage anything apart from the grooming of his own self importance.

He must be a strong devotee of this Board when he castigates the Manager, the players, the leadership etc etc, after a couple of indifferent performances.

Cynicism at its very best.

 
opti
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Re: Jeremy Guscott
12 March, 2018 14:04
Disagree. I think Guscott is a surprisingly good, articulate pundit. And I think Eddie has got it all to prove now.

 
B4thB4ck
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Re: Jeremy Guscott
12 March, 2018 14:42
I used to enjoy the pundits views on TV but find very few of them now do much more than play to the camera exaggerating their comments, whatever the circumstances. Guscott is one of those, on Saturday he made it sound as though Eddie should start all over again.

Had England made another 2.5m on their drives in the last minute they no doubt would have been heralded for a great comeback, the sign of a great team, which would have been equally wrong.

They just comment based on the scoreline.

I get the impression Guscott is not close to the modern game and current players. Enjoying Wilkos analysis though.

 
HMilner
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Re: Jeremy Guscott
12 March, 2018 14:52
I find JG's analysis to be either spot on or well wide of the mark personally. His comments about what went wrong for England in the last 2 games is spot on - re. lack of execution, slow carries, running across the pitch and a lack of intensity or ability to get the most from the exciting players that they have in the backs.

Not sure on Daly being world class but can't deny that Farrell and Billy Vunipola are our best two players when firing. I'd personally argue Itoje is closest after them to world class but this season has been hit by fatigue, injury and a slight drop in form. After that I am not sure who else could be considered that level but Daly I guess would be up there in terms of all around capabilities as a player I'd imagine.

I do agree that the back row balance is completely off and that the Lions tour has drained people. Just got to be thankful it has happened this season and not next year pre- World Cup!!



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Re: Jeremy Guscott
12 March, 2018 14:56
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B4thB4ck
I used to enjoy the pundits views on TV but find very few of them now do much more than play to the camera exaggerating their comments, whatever the circumstances.

Flatman is someone who does that all the time.

 
BathMatt53
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Re: Jeremy Guscott
12 March, 2018 15:06
I'm a fan of Paul O'Connell and BOD, as well as Wilko and Kaye actually. Warming to Austin H even these days now that he seems to have shrugged off a bit of Tigers bias (possibly).

 
B4thB4ck
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Re: Jeremy Guscott
12 March, 2018 15:15
Guscott in his prime would have run the same angles England did off poor ball, its not as though chances were butchered by the backs but he had to come up with something critical.

 
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Re: Jeremy Guscott
12 March, 2018 15:46
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B4thB4ck

Had England made another 2.5m on their drives in the last minute they no doubt would have been heralded for a great comeback, the sign of a great team, which would have been equally wrong.


That the point exactly, Eddie was pretty harsh on Robshaw when he took on the job with comments about his leadership.

What happened on Saturday was almost an action replay, clueless decision making and non-existent execution.

WT elsewhere thinks its part of a test and EJ is using the 6N as a dummy World Cup. Perhaps, but they failed miserably. That is in stark contrast to Ireland who went through 40 phases to win when we couldn't even manage 3!

The only good thing is that its happened now while we can fix it, the big question is will he or will his ego stop him admitting he has got bits wrong.

 
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Re: Jeremy Guscott
12 March, 2018 16:26
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...but Daly I guess would be up there in terms of all around capabilities as a player I'd imagine.

Daly has a point of difference with his long range kicking. But "all around capabilities" I struggle with...

I also seem to recall Guscott saying Daly reminded him of himself... Which might cloud his judgement a little.

 
B4thB4ck
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Re: Jeremy Guscott
12 March, 2018 16:28
So, hopefully Scotland and France will come to regret beating England as otherwise we would have discovered the errors of our forwards selections/tactics in RWC year?

Sounds good, I will go with that. Now where's those straws I need to clutch at...

 
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Re: Jeremy Guscott
12 March, 2018 16:41
They are the same straws we are all grasping at B4thB4ck, realistically we are all in it together, we got the coach we wanted, we have time to sort it all out, whether we will or not is another matter. That the way of English and for that matter British sport.

Only cycling and rowing win regularly and they still have the odd issue to sort out.

 
opti
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Re: Jeremy Guscott
12 March, 2018 17:23
There are quite a few players Eddie can call on who could/should/might have been/might one day be world-class. But it's worrying that probably only Itoje, Billy V, Farrell and Watson would be in everyone's starting XV.

 
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Re: Jeremy Guscott
12 March, 2018 17:42
Ford, JJ, Launchberry would have to be close behind just off form currently. You have to wonder with so few tries whether Roko would have made a difference if he was fit

 
B4thB4ck
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Re: Jeremy Guscott
12 March, 2018 20:16
Guscott's written words without the pressure of a camera pointing at him seem to be better constructed.

I was listening to BBC Radio 5 on the way home this evening. A replay of the commentary at the final whistle in Paris has Iain Robertson saying 'a humiliating day for English rugby'.

I guess things are said in the excitement of a close finish, but it shows even the experienced broadcasters are prone to saying silly things.

 
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Re: Jeremy Guscott
12 March, 2018 20:53
But it was humiliating! They made exactly the same mistakes at the end of the France game as they did at the end of the Wales game in 2015 3 years earlier!

The mentality is exactly the same!

 
Kidney Stone
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Re: Jeremy Guscott.
12 March, 2018 21:20
Humiliating? Not really, just disappointing.

EJ has not become a bad coach overnight. With Ireland coming up there is every chance of 3 b2b losses. Not the end of the world but certainly things to work on. Itoje was really off colour at the weekend, and we badly miss Billy V. I am a big fan of Care, but his start8ng performances do not seem anywhere close to the incisiveness of his 20 minute cameos.

As far as Guscott goes he is OK as a pundit, but the BT sport insight of Dally and Kay are streets ahead of anything that BBC or Sky offers.

 
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Re: Jeremy Guscott
12 March, 2018 21:26
What a very personal and unpleasant post to start this thread.



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Re: Jeremy Guscott.
12 March, 2018 21:34
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Humiliating? Not really, just disappointing.
EJ has not become a bad coach overnight.

Somewhere in between I would say. He hasn't become a bad coach but he has realised he can't do the attack coach role and has agreed to bring in an attack coach.

Coaching aside he also has to select experimentally and play people in their club positions in my view.

Why would you want to become a specialist flanker when you know the position will be given to a bigger slower second row forward on matchday.

Perhaps the weekend has been good for England if they make some basic changes now for the future.

 
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Re: Jeremy Guscott.
13 March, 2018 07:59
Humiliating? A close loss away from home in the 6N to a side that Ireland only beat with the last kick of the match? Sometimes the desparation of journalists for England to be in crisis is too embarrassing for words.



... IMHO, of course.

Now in Honolulu



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Re: Jeremy Guscott.
13 March, 2018 11:07
To be fair to Eddie, if we'd have had the clarity of thought and strength of execution, we'd have powered to victory on Saturday.

Exeter occasionally lose games (even two in a row) but it doesn't make their power tactics ineffective.

Likewise England are still powerful enough to beat most teams. They just need to mentally get back to the right place.

They don't need to start suddenly being a different teak.

 
sirtidychris
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Re: Jeremy Guscott
13 March, 2018 12:08
This is good news for England, the team are still awesome but just abosolutly knackered, next season we will be more rested with no lions tours, vunipola, shields, Armand, Youngs, Tuilagi should be competing for spaces and all the pundits who are short sighted to think that all of a sudden we are a poor team will be underestimating us.

Short term pain long term gain.

 
HMilner
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Re: Jeremy Guscott
13 March, 2018 13:22
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...but Daly I guess would be up there in terms of all around capabilities as a player I'd imagine.

Daly has a point of difference with his long range kicking. But "all around capabilities" I struggle with...

I would say in terms of all around rugby capabilities Elliot Daly is an excellent player. Smart enough to understand his role and play international rugby at winger, 13 and fullback.

Has a good left boot out of hand and off a tee. Is a good passer, good under the high ball, electric pace and a solid defender (if not a big hit merchant). I don't really know what else he could do to demonstrate all around capabilities for a player in the backs?

I personally feel is someone like Daly was a Kiwi he would be lauded as an incredibly well rounded rugby player in the same way someone like Ben Smith is.



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Kidney Stone
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Re: Jeremy Guscott.
13 March, 2018 20:31
Quote:
joethefanatic
Humiliating? A close loss away from home in the 6N to a side that Ireland only beat with the last kick of the match? Sometimes the desparation of journalists for England to be in crisis is too embarrassing for words.

Completely agree, unfortunately the media these days see their job as creating the news rather than simply reporting it.

It is surprising that so many people are happy to feed on this worthless bile.


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