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As the Bath Mats, Matt??

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BathBurger
Someone posted this before (apologies I can't remember who), but it has to be Bath Knights.

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They already have made them, both on and off the field. Now they just need a few to pad out the squad - if they do that they will be top 6 next year IMO.

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http://www.bristolbears.co.uk/

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Bath Imploders?
Sorry I'm still bitter

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Should have went with Buccaneers given the city's heritage.

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Most people think of soft toys, not an apex predator.
Not only that, googling "bristol bears" can easily send you to plenty of gay meetup web pages.

Should have went with Buccaneers given the city's heritage.

Wouldn't mind Bath Gladiators, though I'd rather just stick with Bath.

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Never mind Bris, over on the Reservation Chiefs are worried about losing their name!

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Never mind Bris, over on the Reservation Chiefs are worried about losing their name!

So they should. Nothing to do with Exeter and the chanting is totally insulting to the American indigenous people for whom it actually means something.

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Never mind Bris, over on the Reservation Chiefs are worried about losing their name!

So they should. Nothing to do with Exeter and the chanting is totally insulting to the American indigenous people for whom it actually means something.

Can you find a single source of a Native American expressing offence over Exeter Chiefs? Why does everything have to be offensive now? it's tiring.

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Never mind Bris, over on the Reservation Chiefs are worried about losing their name!

So they should. Nothing to do with Exeter and the chanting is totally insulting to the American indigenous people for whom it actually means something.

Can you find a single source of a Native American expressing offence over Exeter Chiefs? Why does everything have to be offensive now? it's tiring.

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What about 'Come on you Bath Dysons'. It has a certain 'je ne sais quoi' about it n'est-ce pas?

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Boldangrey
Never mind Bris, over on the Reservation Chiefs are worried about losing their name!

So they should. Nothing to do with Exeter and the chanting is totally insulting to the American indigenous people for whom it actually means something.

Can you find a single source of a Native American expressing offence over Exeter Chiefs? Why does everything have to be offensive now? it's tiring.

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What about 'Come on you Bath Dysons'. It has a certain 'je ne sais quoi' about it n'est-ce pas?

That's a vacuous idea.

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Can you find a single source of a Native American expressing offence over Exeter Chiefs? Why does everything have to be offensive now? it's tiring.

A man who cannot change his mind, cannot change anything

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StGonne
Should Saracens change their name too then? After all it’s an outdated term for a Muslim? Surely that’s just as offensive as Chiefs?

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Should Saracens change their name too then? After all it’s an outdated term for a Muslim? Surely that’s just as offensive as Chiefs?

Ah, the classic deflection technique! Coupled with a ‘PC gone mad’ and ‘I don’t see what the problem is’ stance = you are a gammon. StGoAway!

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The classic deflection technique being pointing out that Saracens are called Saracens and wear the fez and Chiefs are called Chiefs and wear tribal headgear.
You can tell me to go away for having a different viewpoint to you but I was just debating that if we get rid of Chiefs and the headgear, then we must get rid of Saracens and the headgear as TG Kesmo has said above.

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Whenever I hear the name Stephanie Pratt all I can think of is a story told by the producer of Father Ted. In which he went on a TV show to defend the show not being a fair representation of Ireland and Irish people and the person claiming this had a thick Mancunian accent and had never even been to Ireland.

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The classic deflection technique being pointing out that Saracens are called Saracens and wear the fez and Chiefs are called Chiefs and wear tribal headgear.
You can tell me to go away for having a different viewpoint to you but I was just debating that if we get rid of Chiefs and the headgear, then we must get rid of Saracens and the headgear as TG Kesmo has said above.

You’ve not attempted to answer any of the valid concerns raised, just deflect. Get your own house in order then you can go pointing the finger elsewhere.

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Why does everything have to be offensive now? it's tiring.

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Why does everything have to be offensive now? it's tiring.

Agreed. Offense and outrage culture is ridiculous these days.

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StGonne
Why does everything have to be offensive now? it's tiring.

Agreed. Offense and outrage culture is ridiculous these days.

It would be absolutely wonderful to go through life never having anything offensive said to you and to be so insular that you never feel the need to speak up in support for others.
Or maybe your just outraged about outrage otherwise you would just ignore it.

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Why does everything have to be offensive now? it's tiring.

Agreed. Offense and outrage culture is ridiculous these days.

It would be absolutely wonderful to go through life never having anything offensive said to you and to be so insular that you never feel the need to speak up in support for others.
Or maybe your just outraged about outrage otherwise you would just ignore it.

So arguing that Exeter Chiefs is not offensive now means that I have never been offended and I have never spoken up in support of others. I really do struggle with the mental gymnastics sometimes.

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Why does everything have to be offensive now? it's tiring.

Agreed. Offense and outrage culture is ridiculous these days.

It would be absolutely wonderful to go through life never having anything offensive said to you and to be so insular that you never feel the need to speak up in support for others.
Or maybe your just outraged about outrage otherwise you would just ignore it.

So arguing that Exeter Chiefs is not offensive now means that I have never been offended and I have never spoken up in support of others. I really do struggle with the mental gymnastics sometimes.

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'Chiefs' is not offensive. Wearing war bonnets and (particularly) having caricature mascots is.
As I recall, all Dr Pratt asked was for Exeter to actually speak to some native Americans about the issue. Seems like a pretty reasonable, non-outraged request. The bigger outrage seems to be coming from a bunch of privileged people who resent being asked to consider that playing dress-up could be offensive to the people you're dressing up as.

And, 'Sir! Sir! But they're doing it too Sir!' is not a compelling rejoinder.

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Sorry but Bath Dysons sucks!!!

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Whenever I hear the name Stephanie Pratt all I can think of is a story told by the producer of Father Ted. In which he went on a TV show to defend the show not being a fair representation of Ireland and Irish people and the person claiming this had a thick Mancunian accent and had never even been to Ireland.

All reasonable thoughts, thanks. Until this bit. Calling into question Dr Pratt’s heritage is a bit of a low blow imo.

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Sorry but Bath Dysons sucks!!!

But if only they could clean up the Premiership!

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Whenever I hear the name Stephanie Pratt all I can think of is a story told by the producer of Father Ted. In which he went on a TV show to defend the show not being a fair representation of Ireland and Irish people and the person claiming this had a thick Mancunian accent and had never even been to Ireland.

All reasonable thoughts, thanks. Until this bit. Calling into question Dr Pratt’s heritage is a bit of a low blow imo.

I wasn't questioning her heritage, In this discussion I use as an example the person with the thick Mancunian accent who spoke out against Father Ted was in fact a second generation Irish descendant who just didn't really know how to laugh at themselves and was clinging on to whatever cultural heritage they had left. I' am not questioning Dr Pratt's ancestry by raising this point, I' am simply pointing out that Dr Pratt is removed from Indian culture living here in the UK and while she maybe descended from Indian ancestry, She is only an ancestor of that culture who uses that link to highlight her own work, Sometimes good and sometimes not. But that said one voice is by no means a majority so the word of one person is not really one that should be taken seriously in the greater discussion.

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Whenever I hear the name Stephanie Pratt all I can think of is a story told by the producer of Father Ted. In which he went on a TV show to defend the show not being a fair representation of Ireland and Irish people and the person claiming this had a thick Mancunian accent and had never even been to Ireland.

All reasonable thoughts, thanks. Until this bit. Calling into question Dr Pratt’s heritage is a bit of a low blow imo.

I wasn't questioning her heritage, In this discussion I use as an example the person with the thick Mancunian accent who spoke out against Father Ted was in fact a second generation Irish descendant who just didn't really know how to laugh at themselves and was clinging on to whatever cultural heritage they had left. I' am not questioning Dr Pratt's ancestry by raising this point, I' am simply pointing out that Dr Pratt is removed from Indian culture living here in the UK and while she maybe descended from Indian ancestry, She is only an ancestor of that culture who uses that link to highlight her own work, Sometimes good and sometimes not. But that said one voice is by no means a majority so the word of one person is not really one that should be taken seriously in the greater discussion.

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" If not, surely it would be an idea to close off the debate if nothing else? "
What do you mean? I can't think of many occasions where stopping people discussing a point is the way to go.

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You're tying yourself up in incredible knots just to avoid confronting the fact that this is demonstrably offensive to many native Americans - and there are multiple examples of this in the US. The fact that it's only one person in Devon is much more indicative of the population of people with native American ancestry in Devon than the fact that it's not offensive (which is also another reason that makes it ridiculous that you appropriate this culture that you have no link to).

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as I have said on our own forum there is somethings at Sandy Park that could do with going away and never coming back, Exeter could likely keep the branding if these thing went away and there likely would not be much of an issue as it would have taken away their ammo. Dr Pratt never objected to the use of the name itself and only the cultural appropriation in which I do in part agree with her. Lose the headdresses and the mascot and there is very little left to object to. As those in the Indian community don't really care too much about the Chiefs name, Its the Redskins name they care about.

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You're tying yourself up in incredible knots just to avoid confronting the fact that this is demonstrably offensive to many native Americans - and there are multiple examples of this in the US. The fact that it's only one person in Devon is much more indicative of the population of people with native American ancestry in Devon than the fact that it's not offensive (which is also another reason that makes it ridiculous that you appropriate this culture that you have no link to).

Would you care to scroll up and see what I actually wrote in my original post, Or do you want me to quote it?

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as I have said on our own forum there is somethings at Sandy Park that could do with going away and never coming back, Exeter could likely keep the branding if these thing went away and there likely would not be much of an issue as it would have taken away their ammo. Dr Pratt never objected to the use of the name itself and only the cultural appropriation in which I do in part agree with her. Lose the headdresses and the mascot and there is very little left to object to. As those in the Indian community don't really care too much about the Chiefs name, Its the Redskins name they care about.

My opinion on Dr Pratt is purely that she is simply one voice in the great debate here, Taking only one voice as a sole arbiter on any subject is a dangerous perspective. You need the perspective of the broader field rather than the one or two on the opposing sides was the point I was trying to make. I agree that Chiefs need to have a discussion about this subject and that there are some potentially racist things that need to be addressed, Something which I did acknowledge in my original post...

Furthermore Iam not aware of the Chiefs having any consultation with any native American groups, However I am also not an employee of Exeter Rugby Club so would not be aware of any such meetings unless the club themselves announced such a conversation had taken place. That said however I am aware that when Sandy Park was originally opened a couple of Native Indian groups where invited to come over to attend the opening and tour of the ground and facilities, Some of which accepted the offer so there clearly is a channel of communication there for such a conversation.

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I wasn't questioning her heritage, In this discussion I use as an example the person with the thick Mancunian accent who spoke out against Father Ted was in fact a second generation Irish descendant who just didn't really know how to laugh at themselves and was clinging on to whatever cultural heritage they had left. I' am not questioning Dr Pratt's ancestry by raising this point, I' am simply pointing out that Dr Pratt is removed from Indian culture living here in the UK and while she maybe descended from Indian ancestry, She is only an ancestor of that culture who uses that link to highlight her own work, Sometimes good and sometimes not. But that said one voice is by no means a majority so the word of one person is not really one that should be taken seriously in the greater discussion.

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hasta

5. You referred to native Americans multiple times as Indians/native Indians. Dude.

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the term "Indian" is generally considered offensive when used by non-Natives with the term First Nations being preferred for peoples covered by the Indian Act and Aboriginal or Indigenous peoples preferred for Native peoples generally.

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Rugby Inside Line (yes, them again) are reporting that Bath is actually being put under some pressure to add a name / word but the Club is resisting it.

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A couple of years ago I couldnt have given a toss about the injun stuff - just a bit of fun, no? - but then read and viewed a couple of things that has cemented in my mind the ugly reality that the Chief's imagery is a based on a Holywood air brushing/reinvention of a dark and sordid tale of rape, pillage, slaughter and ethnic cleansing on a scale that a Serbian war criminal would be proud of. Once known, cannot be unknown.
Its not even as if this is ancient history a la Saracens for example; the squalor of the reservations is part of the here and now.

I guess Exeter is far eough away that they dont need to worry about it and the Native Americans probably dont have what goes on in Devon uppermost in their minds, but now I have that association in my mind I cant look at that stuff without the 90% alcoholics on the Res coming to mind.

If Exeter folks are happy with it then good for them, but now educated I find it about as tasteful as dubbing Brissle (or indeed ourselves) "The Slavers" in tribute to the local links with that illustrious trade and having the team trot out to the strains of "Old Man River" at the start of each game.

A man who cannot change his mind, cannot change anything

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