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England Team
08 November, 2018 11:35
England: Elliot Daly; Chris Ashton, Henry Slade, Ben Te'o, Jonny May; Owen Farrell (co-captain), Ben Youngs; Ben Moon, Dylan Hartley (co-captain), Kyle Sinckler, Maro Itoje, George Kruis, Brad Shields, Sam Underhill, Mark Wilson.

Replacements: Jamie George, Alec Hepburn, Harry Williams, Charlie Ewels, Courtney Lawes, Danny Care, George Ford, Jack Nowell.


No Zach - after what I thought a rather good half last week: wonder what that's about?



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bathwickboy
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Re: England Team
08 November, 2018 11:44
Tough on Zac but cannot understand having both Ewels and Lawes on the bench. Either can play in the backrow at a push but would have thought it better to have one or the other and then bring more of a specialist backrower on to the bench.
I know that Ashton does not endear himself to everyone but I think he is world class winger with pace. Nowell seems to lack real gas although has many other attributes. I think its going to be a very hard day for us on Saturday and although my heart says England, my head says 99.9% AB's as winners. Time will tell.

 
SJS
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Re: England Team
08 November, 2018 11:47
Harsh on Mercer - he certainly didn't do much wrong when he came on, and added dynamism to a pretty staid pack.

Surprised no Tuilagi either - I thought they'd want him to punch holes.

I reckon we'll get spanked.

 
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Re: England Team
08 November, 2018 11:50
At least Zach will have a chance to gain a bit more international experience and confidence before getting tested by that All Black back row. He will also avoid another injury opportunity on England duty and come home to us safe and sound. Just hope he sees the positives and doesn't get despondent at EJ erratic selections. EJ probably saw one thing he didn't like and that's that for this year!



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SJS
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Re: England Team
08 November, 2018 11:52
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EJ probably saw one thing he didn't like and that's that for this year!

My recollection is that he was quite positive about Zach in the post-match interviews.

I suspect it's probably more about sticking to a plan against NZ (which I presume is smashing them into submission up front, and then trying to run round them..) so you need carriers who can bosh through in heavy traffic like Lawes.

 
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Re: England Team
08 November, 2018 11:54
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At least Zach will have a chance to gain a bit more international experience and confidence before getting tested by that All Black front row. He will also avoid another injury opportunity on England duty and come home to us safe and sound. Just hope he sees the positives and doesn't get despondent at EJ erratic selections. EJ probably saw one thing he didn't like and that's that for this year!

Not sure that I understand your comment about '....being tested by that All Black front row'?

 
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Re: England Team
08 November, 2018 11:55
Sorry back row - will correct!

 
cb2
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Re: England Team
08 November, 2018 11:55
A real shame for Mercer. His time will come. You can't really argue with Lawes being included but I though Zac would have moved ahead of Shields and Ewels. Teo is drinking at that last chance saloon for me. Was it ring rust last time out, or is he a bit spent? He hasn't really cut many holes since the Lions tour.

 
opti
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Re: England Team
08 November, 2018 12:10
"My recollection is that he was quite positive about Zach in the post-match interviews"

Ha, ha.

My recollection is that Eddie slavered over Roko and explained at length how he wanted him to win 40-50 caps. What Eddie says is idiotic. I do think he'll have England up for this challenge though.

The obvious thing would be for England to be in it at 65 minutes and for NZ to run in 20 points in the last stages. So, for me, this is where we find out whether Eddie's '20% fitter' claim holds any water.

 
DorsetBoy
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Re: England Team
08 November, 2018 12:10
Really tough on Zac and i'd have thought his pace is just what you need against a quick AB team.
we won't win against them by bish, bosh, bash.
Mind you, we won't win against them, period.

 
ballsout
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Re: England Team
08 November, 2018 12:13
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we won't win against them by bish, bosh, bash.

That's exactly how Eddie Jones is planning to beat them. Maybe not in those words though. It's the reason for Zac missing out for Lawes and for Shields inexplicably getting another start.

 
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Re: England Team
08 November, 2018 12:19
Interesting that hes gone for Underhill, i thought he was a little out of favour

 
BathMatt53
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Re: England Team
08 November, 2018 12:30
If Brad Shields doesn't have a stormer then its time to move on IMO, same with Daly at 15.

(p.s. His name is Zach!)



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John Tee
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Re: England Team
08 November, 2018 12:56
It's a nothing game really. We expect to be beaten and anything that looks points reasonable will be 'acceptable'

I think he has picked a team to stay in it.
Understandable but probably not the plan when we took the fixture on. We woukd then have been expecting to match/beat then.
This is just a game to now get out the way with the least amount of damage.

Giving up 40 points will not be good which ever way you try and spin it...

 
opti
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Re: England Team
08 November, 2018 13:19
NZ have the opportunity to drive wedges into the Eddie Jones regime, the RFU whisperers and the media. If I were Hansen i'd be treating this like a World Cup final. They can practically eliminate England as contenders on Saturday by putting 35 points on us. I think the first 15 minutes are going to be absolutely breathless.

 
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Re: England Team
08 November, 2018 13:23
Te'o has barely played any rugby this season so it's no surprise he's a little rusty. I think he's picked to be directly opposite SBW.

Having said England don't have any 7s, just 6.5s, Eddie's obsession with 5.5s is curious. I guess if there's an injury at 7 or 8 then the extremely unimpressive Shields gets a shot at 8.

 
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Re: England Team
08 November, 2018 13:34
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NZ have the opportunity to drive wedges into the Eddie Jones regime, the RFU whisperers and the media. If I were Hansen i'd be treating this like a World Cup final. They can practically eliminate England as contenders on Saturday by putting 35 points on us. I think the first 15 minutes are going to be absolutely breathless.

A bit dramatic. Hartley has more caps than the rest of the pack combined. It's a hugely understrength England team and NZ know that. The result won't make much of a difference in the long run.

 
opti
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Re: England Team
08 November, 2018 13:42
'It's a hugely understrength England team'

It is what it is. It's the best team he can pick here and now. Who's to say that will be any different next October?

NZ frequently come to Europe in the autumn with massively understrength teams and smash everyone.

I'm not sure Eddie would support your excuses excuses culture.

 
cb2
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Re: England Team
08 November, 2018 14:36
I wonder what part the ref will play, especially with this red card stuff going on at the moment. We might be able to stay with them for a while with 15 v 15, we might be able to do better with 15 v 14 in our favour, but if Farrell or Itoje make it 14 v 15 in their favour, then it is going to be a long day.

 
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Re: England Team
08 November, 2018 14:49
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'It's a hugely understrength England team'
It is what it is. It's the best team he can pick here and now. Who's to say that will be any different next October?

NZ frequently come to Europe in the autumn with massively understrength teams and smash everyone.

I'm not sure Eddie would support your excuses excuses culture.

What excuses excuses culture? All I said was one loss to the best team in the world with an understrength team wouldnít singlehandedly destroy the RFU, English rugby and half the universe like you seemed to suggest.

 
opti
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Re: England Team
08 November, 2018 15:04
Ho, ho, bo. I'm sure everyone else is getting thoroughly bored of our conversation on this - but I can't resist pointing out that you called me a bit 'dramatic', and yet you insist on hyperbolising what I've said with your 'half the universe' twist.

Meanwhile, back on topic ...

 
ballsout
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Re: England Team
08 November, 2018 15:16
Yes, the universe bit was a refence to your overdramatising one match.

 
BathBurger
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Re: England Team
08 November, 2018 15:21
Rugby Pass Index gave England 39% chance of winning!

Yes please! Canít see how itíd be higher than 10%!

Their new loosehead is a serious talent (he only took up rugby again a couple of years ago!) and Goodhue is a seriously good defensive player. I pray we donít target McKenzie with the high ball as regardless of his height heís very safe hands.

I canít see England winning this, Iíd be happy if we were reasonably close at the end. But if Ashton just has one of his talismanic games and the front five sure it up, who knows?

 
Ian E
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Re: England Team
08 November, 2018 18:08
Gutted for Zach he was very comfortable last week and proved his metal. I think that Jones doesnít see him as being big enough and doesnít look at his obvious other talents, ball handling quick feet and good tackling. Luckily Zach has time on his side.

 
John Tee
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Re: England Team
08 November, 2018 18:30
Rate that Mackenzie from what I've seen in the rc.
I can see why Lima turned his back on the AB's with Barrett also around for a long time.

 
sirtidychris
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Re: England Team
08 November, 2018 22:32
Well done to Sam great to see him start again for England at 7. Bad luck to mercer I would have had him on the bench instead of baths 4th choice second row.

 
Bathovalballer
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Re: England Team
09 November, 2018 07:07
Eddie's selection policy is rediculous and I feel for Zach who did well against a tough South African 6,7+8. How Ewels or Lawes gets in the 23 over him is brainless if you consider they have to cover the back row who are playing against one of the best back rows in the world. Neither has the speed, ball handling ability or strength to match the AB's.

I am sorry with such selections, I cannot see England winning and it could do our WC chances and confidence real damage.

AB's by at least 10.



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Re: England Team
09 November, 2018 09:09
BoB, the Mercer non selection may be protection, I suspect he saw enough in Zach to warrant inclusion but simply wants experience for NZ.

Plus throwing a young body in for 2 hard games in a row might well be too much. Brad Shields needs o ave a stormer in my view and improve his choices on the ball, not retaining the ball when tackled 10m from the line and lobbing the ball from the base of the ruck are two images that stick in my mind.

We need to remember Eddies research tells him caps win the RWC so only room for a few young stars.



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BathMatt53
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Re: England Team
09 November, 2018 09:14
Eddie clearly wants our forwards to rough them up, hence no Zach and lots of meat on the pitch and bench.



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Re: England Team
09 November, 2018 13:34
I wonder whether two locks on the bench is due to Itoje's unpredictability.
If he has another mare (either penalty magnet or becomes anonymous as he's totally outclassed by Retallick) he should get hooked - then options of a ball carrying Lawes or a tackling Ewels are there.
Or possibly one of Itoje or Kruis aren't fully fit?

 
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Re: England Team
09 November, 2018 13:39
If Itoje does his usual penalty magnet trick I'd love to see his ego try and deal with being dropped for the next couple of matches.

 
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Re: England Team
09 November, 2018 13:48
I doubt he'll play against Japan anyway. Might see Ewels/Lawes.

 
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Re: England Team
09 November, 2018 18:26
I know it sounds daft but I have a funny feeling England might win!



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Re: England Team
09 November, 2018 18:44
Get yourself down the bookies! They're offering 11/2 for an England win!

 
DanWiley
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Re: England Team
10 November, 2018 12:39
"I know it sounds daft but I have a funny feeling England might win!"

That thought oddly crossed my mind a second ago, not sure why, it was one in a torrent of "no the abs will win". What's odded is I followed it up with "I'm not sure it would be a good thing."

Having beaten the boks, we'll have Eddie to the world cup, and I think that's a good thing, but I'd guess it's settled. There seems two alternatives: Eddie does random @#$%& and sometimes gets lucky or Eddie had a plan. If it's the first, well at least we have a lucky general. If it's the second I'd bet the plan involves being overall underdogs and keeping that plan hidden.

If we beat them, it's going to be in a one off, shot to nothing that probably involves the abs underestimating us. I don't want that to one off to be now.

 
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Re: England Team
10 November, 2018 13:04
Very good point Dan

History shows that sides rarely beat the ABs twice in succession- Sir Clive's World Cup winners were an exception.

Also, beating the ABs at the World Cup before the final does not guarantee further progress (England look likely to meet them, if they do - in the Semi). Australia beat them in 1991 in the semis and went on to win. After that, France's semi win in 99 was followed by losing the final, Australia's in 2003 the same, then France won in the Quarter and went out to England in the 2007 Semi.



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Re: England Team
10 November, 2018 13:07
Dan, wins against the All Blacks are always "one offs" Our best chance in the RWC is for someone else to beat them them we pick up the pieces by playing that team afterwards shattered by injuries and physical exhaustion.

Callous I know but needs must.



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DorsetBoy
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Re: England Team
10 November, 2018 13:25
I think I'm right in saying England have never beaten the ABs at the World Cup....

Any win against them has to be worthwhile.

 
B4thB4ck
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Re: England Team
10 November, 2018 13:38
It makes a change for England to play without the pressure and expectation that they usually have and it will be great to see us play the best team without the essential result of a tournament. This should be a great spectacle and should be enjoyed, if you can, as the one off game the others have mentioned. The pundits are saying results are everything but the performance will give us hope for the WC.

 
Boldangrey
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Re: England Team
10 November, 2018 14:29
The French.

The French.

We can always rely on the French to beat NZ.

Take a look at the clips of Chabal on Youtube.

 
Dave Berko
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Re: England Team
10 November, 2018 17:34
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If Itoje does his usual penalty magnet trick I'd love to see his ego try and deal with being dropped for the next couple of matches.

Not patronising though you will no doubt accuse me yet again of that, but if that's all you see in Maro then it begins to explain why you currently dislike Bath so much! He does do other things in a match!! "see his ego try and deal etc etc" Childish comment IMHO
If you dislike your team (Bath) and England that much why do you bother?
Apologies to most other Bath fans who appreciate fair debate

 
opti
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Re: England Team
10 November, 2018 20:47
Gives Eddie some breathing space. But reality was, the weather was a huge leveller. ABs still managed to play a bit of footie even in those conditions. England played beautifully for 15 minutes and then basically tried to close the game out until they were behind with 10 mins to go. Need to show some ambition against Aus, to look like genuine WC contenders.

 
B4thB4ck
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Re: England Team
10 November, 2018 22:33
Thought England were really good and if the lineouts had gone OK 2nd half could have won. Would have liked to have seen Ford given more time in the game, his passing is a joy to watch.

Would also like to have seen the AB's penalised for their McCaw tricks of interfering off the ball beyond the rucks, blocking the England players legally trying to join the rucks and support play.

 
cb2
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Re: England Team
12 November, 2018 11:26
The weather was awful and the All Blacks played as badly as you could hope for. We got a tidy lead and still lost. However, there are some positives and selection, especially in the pack, is becoming clearer in some areas. The 2 Vunipolas and Launchbury will add extra power and then I would go with pace in the backs. I am not sure about 15, as we need someone solid but with an attacking game as well. Watson and Daly haven't looked that secure at the back and Brown is limited in attack.


1 Vunipola
2 Hartley
3 Sinckler
4 Launchbury
5 Itoje
6 Wilson (or Underhill)
7 Curry
8 Vunipola

9 Youngs
10 Farrell
11 Watson
12 Tuilagi
13 Daly
14 May
15 Ashton

 
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Re: England Team
12 November, 2018 11:37
I wouldn't trust Ashton an inch at fullback.

 
opti
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Re: England Team
12 November, 2018 11:47
"we'll have Eddie to the world cup, and I think that's a good thing"

I agree Dan. I have/had gone off Eddie bit time - but it's much better to have some certainty. I also think he may have been a bit shaken by how quickly things turned against him, and that may have done him some good. One way or another, he's going to come out of this series with a bigger squad, and also a clear message that there are some guys who can walk out of the Premiership and into Test rugby, and he also has the likes of Brown, Robshaw, Cole who he can fall back on knowing everything he needs to know about them.

Happy with CB's selection - but I still think we'll end up with Ford/Farrell at 10/12. If Billy V is in the team, do you need Teo/Tuilagi? And i'd persevere with Daly at full back. We have great options at 13 now with Slade (JJ and Lozowski pressing). Watson, May, Ashton, Nowell completes your World Cup back 3 group.

 
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Re: England Team
12 November, 2018 12:00
I have been up and down with Eddie, but I think the remarkable thing is that he has taken a largely new/2nd string squad and produced a result that is better than the sum of the parts

 
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Re: England Team
12 November, 2018 12:25
I think Brown at 15 has held England back for years, but Daly is a liability there against a top team. Unless he actually starts playing at 15 for Wasps, for all his siege gun boot I think he might be a luxury starter for England. Good bench cover though.

 
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Re: England Team
12 November, 2018 12:52
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I think Brown at 15 has held England back for years, but Daly is a liability there against a top team. Unless he actually starts playing at 15 for Wasps, for all his siege gun boot I think he might be a luxury starter for England. Good bench cover though.

Agree 100% with this. Daly seems to be one of those players who it has been decided already that he must be in the team. He's nowhere near good enough to justify that.

Likewise Tom Curry, whose performances have not offered sufficient evidence that he belongs at this level. But it seems EJ and the media have decided they have.



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B4thB4ck
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Re: England Team
12 November, 2018 12:55
In terms of international playing time, not that long to RWC2019.

The likes of Watson, JJ and maybe Tuilagi don't have much time to get fit, into form and force their way in.

On their side though is that the centre spots and full back are still up for grabs.

I always hope that the 6N is treated as a tournament and the best team selected but this time around Eddie might need to try out some more ideas if they are showing club form.

After the 6N there are 4 warm up matches just before the RWC v Wales (twice), Ireland and Italy.

At what point will Eddie close his mind to new squad try outs?

 
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Re: England Team
12 November, 2018 13:22
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Happy with CB's selection - but I still think we'll end up with Ford/Farrell at 10/12. If Billy V is in the team, do you need Teo/Tuilagi? And i'd persevere with Daly at full back. We have great options at 13 now with Slade (JJ and Lozowski pressing). Watson, May, Ashton, Nowell completes your World Cup back 3 group.

I am not at all sure Billy V and Manu will last a world cup campaign, I'm worried about full back, Daly is not a specialist and doesn't make good decisions in defence a quality opposition 10 will play on that and Ashton scares me.

That leaves us with Anthony Watson or Brown with caps or try again, bit late though isn't it. I could see Brown getting the spot back.



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Re: England Team
12 November, 2018 13:55
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Happy with CB's selection - but I still think we'll end up with Ford/Farrell at 10/12. If Billy V is in the team, do you need Teo/Tuilagi? And i'd persevere with Daly at full back. We have great options at 13 now with Slade (JJ and Lozowski pressing). Watson, May, Ashton, Nowell completes your World Cup back 3 group.

I am not at all sure Billy V and Manu will last a world cup campaign, I'm worried about full back, Daly is not a specialist and doesn't make good decisions in defence a quality opposition 10 will play on that and Ashton scares me.

That leaves us with Anthony Watson or Brown with caps or try again, bit late though isn't it. I could see Brown getting the spot back.
I agree.
I think BV might not come back the player he was... That is not something to wish for, of course, but a rin of injuries and time out can make it harder to return.
I'm afraid to include Watson in that if he has broken down with the same injury. These type of issues might be structural which may be a whole new science.

I said Brown was still in the frame...on another foreman was shouted down.. but his stock improves by not playing simply because Daly hasn't grasped his opportunity...
I think Daly has great qualities but we aren't seeing them as yet. At least Jones is experimenting here and he knows Brown can back stop if Daly doesn't work out.

So, that is a bold question mark about availability against 3 injured players and the fb, imv.

The plus is M Wilson,... And admittedly only the one game, Underhill.
I'd play them both in every game... And probably in the 6n's too.
They've already done enough and there is no one else in front of them, Imo.

Resilience is also a factor for tournament play.
If the forwards are solid, then stick with it.
Test them against Ireland Wales and France and you'll know whether you can take that pack size to the RWC.
The AB's weren't a huge size either so by the end of March we will know if plan B up front has legs.
If not, we can bring the discards/injured back.

I'd look closely at 9 and 10 as I think we can improve there.
Youngs was a useful jack in the box even with slow delivery...but if he doesn't break, then I'd go elsewhere for better kicking and passing.
Care doesnt play for England the way he does for Quins...
And he is only used for 20 mins anyway

I'd look for alternatives but Jones should have been doing that anyway.
It seems he learns more when injury and unavailables are forced upon him.



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opti
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Re: England Team
12 November, 2018 15:02
Talk of the 6Ns makes me wince. If the NH wants to add to its woeful world cup record of one winner in 1 winner in 8 finals, and 5 out of 16 finalists, they might want to take a leaf out of Michael Eavis' book. A fallow year 1 in 4 - either before or after the World Cup - would sharpen the taste buds for the tournament, give players a longer playing life, improve Domestic leagues, and give Int coaches better material to work with.

Long term - it's either that, or ditch the Lions.

 
B4thB4ck
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Re: England Team
12 November, 2018 15:23
England in Paris in the spring, the Marseillaise, God Save the Queen. Can't beat it in my opinion as a spectacle, appreciate the strategic thinking though.

 
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Re: England Team
12 November, 2018 15:23
Only one comment to make on that Opti....money. Perfect rugby sense but will be seen as financial incompetence.



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John Tee
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Re: England Team
12 November, 2018 15:27
Both are critical money spinners so player welfare takes a hit there.
A few tours ago the Lions was in danger as a concept in the modern rugby era but has made a comeback.
I do agree about a fallow summer though so the Rfu need to accommodate that, Imo.
Play the 6ns as normal but shut down the summer..?

 
opti
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Re: England Team
12 November, 2018 15:43
The NZ series did indeed save the Lions. If they'd taken a 3-0 pasting it might have been amongst the last tours. However, I still suspect that there will only be a few more.

The next Lions manager has already had a hand tied behind his back by the scheduling. And the volume of metrics that will have been logged by national and club DoRs and S&C staff about post Lions performance and injury rates mean that, when the next tour comes round, there will be some arms being twisted by club owners. We'll see more players opting out of the tour - whether overtly, or by choosing to have an op or just by being 'injured'. It'll get devalued and then go the way of the Baa-Baas - reinvent yourself or wither away.

 
cb2
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Re: England Team
12 November, 2018 18:35
One option is a 5 game tour, with one warm up game and 4 Tests. Nowhere nearly long enough, no time to sort out selection but a money earner. I see it going like that.


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