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COML Farleigh Briefing
Discussion started by P G Tips (IP Logged), 16 May, 2019 08:11
P G Tips
P G Tips
16 May, 2019 08:11
Last week Coochie Coo and I attended a briefing for Mods at Farleigh about the clubís plans for the future and the recently announced coaching structure.



Bath Rugby attendees were: Tarquin McDonald, Stuart Hooper, Andy Rock plus Shula Smith and Alex Ferguson from the Communications Team.



Bruce, Tarquin and the Communications Team read COML. Apparently Stuart does not ( this is more about use of his time than lack of interest) but the Communications Team brief him about main discussion themes.


Tarquin began by acknowledging that this season Bath Rugby has not lived up to itís own aspirations. He says the club has world- class and high potential players and described the performance as ďless than the sum of parts.Ē The approach for next season will change with the aim to produce results that are ďgreater than sum of partsĒ.



He then told us:


∑ Stuart Hooper was chosen as DOR as a result of extensive discussions with highly respected rugby coaches as well as leadership and management experts.


∑ The way ahead is to create a unified high performance system, integrating the activities of the rugby department, academy, strength and conditioning and support staffs.


∑ The coaching set up is more about the complimentary mix of skills and personal characteristics than job titles.


∑ Before settling on the group of coaches the club consulted a number of top level coaches on the best mix of roles.



∑ The club is not averse to a ďHead CoachĒ and may or may not appoint one in time Ė if they decide there is a need. Any coach, like those already announced, has to buy in to the vision and be comfortable as a member of the team.


∑ The players were fond of Todd and sorry to see him go, but have bought into the vision and are looking forward to the new set up.



Stuart Hooper told us:



∑ Of his passion for Bath rugby (he used to follow Bath results before he was a professional player) and desire to generate a lasting high performing culture.


∑ Bath want to play a high movement, high tempo game resulting in lots of tries Ė but based on momentum.


∑ To do that requires beefing up the pack, hence the choice of the 5 forwards joining next season.

* Outside assistance to the coaching team will be sought for specific needs when identified.



Andy Rock spoke about his plans for development of the squad and performance, based on experience and learnings from Leeds academy and recent academy and youth successes at Bath.



I told Tarquin, Stuart and Andy that there is a high level of scepticism among COML members about the coaching structure, based on Stuartís lack of coaching experience and the absence of a Head Coach.


Stuart replied that he would not use words to win doubters over but intended play and results to do that.


Tarquin stated that it would be unrealistic to expect Bath to win every game but that with the new approach the club are expecting to improve performance, results and supporter enjoyment considerably.


It was a thorough and open briefing with the trio happy to answer questions Coochie and I had. Among these, Tarquin answered that rugby expenditure (including salaries) is totally separate from the stadium development expenditure- the club spends up to the cap and there is no saving on player salaries to contribute to stadium finances.

Obviously the proof of the pudding will be in results Ė next season and in further seasons. However, the overall tone was one of a planned strategic change and determination to succeed.


One thing was evident that most supporters may not have seen Ė Stuart Hooper is passionate about driving improvements Ė and about regenerating that passion from the fans.


Letís see how next season goes!


PG

john fox
johnnyf
16 May, 2019 08:27
Thanks PGT and CC - indeed let's see how things go.

The interesting comment to me is that the Club is not averse to considering the appointment of a Head Coach if felt necessary.
I wonder what the indicators for that consideration would be and how that post could be integrated into the set up.

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CoochieCoo
16 May, 2019 08:36
Thanks for that PG. It was my first trip to Farleigh and it was very impressive. Not one spa robe or Gucci slipper to be seen but the gym was incredible with the amount of equipment and weights, there was no room for any slackness in there. The main rugby pitch was designed to replicate the Rec and another half artificial pitch for practice on such surfaces.

There is no doubt that having the whole training and admin functions under one roof with all the equipment that is required is a great step forward from the old days of Lambridge, University and Rec.



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Long Term
Long Term
16 May, 2019 08:37
Thank you PG for reporting that back I for one will wait to see what unfolds but I'm sure there will be many with the 'rugby manager game' attitude who will respond by saying it's just words, what we need is a world class fly-half, coach, physical approach etc without providing any suggestions or understanding of the reality of the incredibly competitive Premiership league.

B4thB4ck
B4thB4ck
16 May, 2019 08:47
Thanks for the report. I am surprised that Bruce and Tarquin read COML, so also pleased that I have been supportive of them and Hoops in my comments! I have only criticised the HC situation which sounds open to change so that is good.

I will always try to post comments as if I was face to face with those involved.

I don't know anyone at the club but I do sometimes cross paths with the manager of an EFL football club. His views on what supporters think they know and the pressure his family feel during a difficult season are very interesting and also affect the way I comment about Bath.

warrenball
warrenball
16 May, 2019 08:58
I guess much as you would expect, I do not know any incoming player, coach or DOR who is not 'passionate about driving improvements Ė and about regenerating that passion from the fans' but wanting something is not the same as being able to deliver it.

I feel we are back to the time Jack Rowell rejoined and almost the first thing he said was that we were restructuring and it would take time and we seem to have been restructuring almost ever since.

I am pleased to see the intent ' Bath want to play a high movement, high tempo game resulting in lots of tries Ė but based on momentum. That, if true, is the most interesting part.

The proof of the pudding is in the style of play, especially when results go against us, will Hooper still have the confidence to play this high movement game if we lose the first three matches or will they revert to type and keep it in the forwards? It will take a brave DOR, especially one so green, to continue to play adventurous rugby in those circumstances but I for one would support him in that.

New coaches at Gloucester, Quins and Northampton have shown the fallacy of the 'it takes time' excuse, if the coaching and squad make up is right it can happen very quickly.

Bathovalballer
Bathovalballer
16 May, 2019 09:09
You are right Warren all about the length of time taken by new coaches at those clubs having a huge impact on their side's performances. But the clue in their success is that the people concerned are all qualified coaches and have enjoyed/know how to achieve success elsewhere. We do not have that luxury in Mr H!

Time will tell about whether or not Bath's action will work but could be very costly if it does not, especially with regards to filling a new desperately needed stadium.



Adopted player 2018/19 Semesa Rokoduguni

The Rock that is Semesa and how he will be rocking this season.

Ali1969
Ali1969
16 May, 2019 09:14
Good to see that they had the bottle to front up. Credit where credit is deserved. We will have to see if there plans come to fruition. Don't suppose they quoted who the "respected rugby coaches" were??

I truly hope it all comes off and for Stuart personally, it is a huge gamble to take especially if ring fencing does not get approved.

Fingers crossed.

BathMatt53
BathMatt53
16 May, 2019 09:17
...it's just words, what we need is a world class fly-half, coach, physical approach etc however I have no suggestions or understanding of the reality of the incredibly competitive Premiership league (Sm100)...

...but seriously the only way to see whether it works is to see whether it works, so I personally will draw a line under comments about the decision / whether or not there should be another 10 etc, back the team, clench my buttocks and hold on for the ride next season (same as for most of the last 35 years tbh).

Many thanks for the summary PGT. thumbs down



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P G Tips
P G Tips
16 May, 2019 09:19
Quote:
Ali1969
Good to see that they had the bottle to front up. Credit where credit is deserved. We will have to see if there plans come to fruition. Don't suppose they quoted who the "respected rugby coaches" were??

They did name a few, but I am not sure Ali if I should repeat the names. I will say we are talking about a range of highly respected coaches of more than one nationality!

PG

cb2
cb2
16 May, 2019 09:19
The Prem is only competitive in so far as most of the sides have not got their act together. Exeter are showing that with decent recruitment and a solid structure, you can step above the crowd. A lot of the rugby on show this year has been pretty poor. The basic skills in the league are a concern. We won't win anything next year but 3rd or 4th should be possible.

Ali1969
Ali1969
16 May, 2019 09:24
Thanks PG let us hope for all it pays off.

Bath Hammer
Bath Hammer
16 May, 2019 09:55
Thanks for that PG & CC. I have always been totally convinced that all parties within the management structure, especially Bruce, want all the things we want & perhaps more so in most cases. It is just the approach & player recruitment which has caused controversy & doubt, particularly the coaching structure. However, this approach has clearly been thought through & only time will tell. Itís interesting that SH has gained such a good reputation as you wonder how it was gained but we just have to hope that everything works as intended.

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shipwrecked
16 May, 2019 09:59
Thanks both, quite a lot to digest in that, I thought this was interesting, "Outside assistance to the coaching team will be sought for specific needs when identified."

Seems to be a bit based on the Eddie Jones model, we simply have to wait and see how it goes, I have to say its pleasing to hear that the club read some of these comments.

Often teams forge a unity out of adversity so lets hope that key players like Mercer can bring along the new signings, for my money Mercer would be my skipper, he epitomises much of Bath's ethos, if we are going to do things a bit different why not extend that to the captaincy?



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Darren Atkins Age 21 years, Fullback, 6 ft 1 in, 13 st 4 lbs. Sadly injured for the rest of the season!

ballsout
ballsout
16 May, 2019 10:00
Quote:
Ali1969
Good to see that they had the bottle to front up. Credit where credit is deserved. We will have to see if there plans come to fruition. Don't suppose they quoted who the "respected rugby coaches" were??
I truly hope it all comes off and for Stuart personally, it is a huge gamble to take especially if ring fencing does not get approved.

Fingers crossed.

Not sure how much bottle is needed to bring two supporters in. Itís less about bottle and more about controlling the messaging/trying to keep fans on their side. Itís just words at the end of the day, Tarquin is great at him. Proof is in the pudding. Iím sure Newcastle have similar sort of chat, most clubs do.

Ali1969
Ali1969
16 May, 2019 10:22
Ball Out - It may be as you say - but they invited both PG and CC in knowing they would post to the rest of us....

They could have just not bothered - and the world would still turn and we would all still post..At least this way we have some idea of their thinking - It does not mean we all agree and the "World is all Rosey" because it is not I personally DO NOT AGREE with the coaching structure or recruitment, but I am old enough and battered enough to hopefully be proved wrong.

I will take absolutely no pleasure or happiness to be proved right - Hobson's Choice I suppose.

annie blackthorn
annie blackthorn
16 May, 2019 10:48
Thanks for letting us know that you were impressed with the facilities.
The rest of your report is all about being carefully managed by the club - or were you not aware of that?

Fine words, but rather like our politicians, JUST GET ON WITH IT!
Saints have achieved it in a season with no fanfare, no fine words, no explanations, just ACTIONS!

Do hope Stuart has been privately given next season to prove himself with drastic improvements in sustained results on the pitch.

cb2
cb2
16 May, 2019 10:55
Is there anyone on here who thinks we will not bring in or promote a head coach in the next 3 seasons?

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CoochieCoo
16 May, 2019 11:04
Quote:
cb2
Is there anyone on here who thinks we will not bring in or promote a head coach in the next 3 seasons?

Nothing is for ever, cb2, especially in the evolving professionalism of rugby union.



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BathMatt53
BathMatt53
16 May, 2019 11:20
Quote:
ballsout
Not sure how much bottle is needed to bring two supporters in. Itís less about bottle and more about controlling the messaging/trying to keep fans on their side. Itís just words at the end of the day,

I don't think that the can win - when they don't communicate effectively they get accused of not communicating - when they do 'its just words'. Maybe they should present a picture of their future plans through the medium of dance?



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gaz59
gaz59
16 May, 2019 11:24
Quote:
ballsout
Quote:
Ali1969
Good to see that they had the bottle to front up. Credit where credit is deserved. We will have to see if there plans come to fruition. Don't suppose they quoted who the "respected rugby coaches" were??
I truly hope it all comes off and for Stuart personally, it is a huge gamble to take especially if ring fencing does not get approved.

Fingers crossed.

Not sure how much bottle is needed to bring two supporters in. Itís less about bottle and more about controlling the messaging/trying to keep fans on their side. Itís just words at the end of the day, Tarquin is great at him. Proof is in the pudding. Iím sure Newcastle have similar sort of chat, most clubs do.

That is just so myopic - just once you could have acknowledged an apparently genuine effort to connect and communicate with club fans

I like the statement about external assistance for the coaches but also the need for a HC if they decide that is the way to go, must buy into the vision etc

The club has openly set out their stall, personally I still feel the coaching side is under resourced but I am assured they are not blindly ignoring the issue and certainly not putting long term development of club and players at risk

Time for sceptics to move to agnosticism and hope it all starts this weekend

ballsout
ballsout
16 May, 2019 11:55
Not saying it wasnít a good move from the club. Itís mutually beneficial. Iím just kind of bored of all the long winded and flowery language about high performance and exceptional standards. After a decade of serious underperformance, itís hard not to be cynical.

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hemington
16 May, 2019 12:10
Quote:
ballsout
Not saying it wasnít a good move from the club. Itís mutually beneficial. Iím just kind of bored of all the long winded and flowery language about high performance and exceptional standards. After a decade of serious underperformance, itís hard not to be cynical.
Certainly not hard for you Eeyore. Also you are very good at repetative flowery language about what is wrong. Have you asked them for a meeting so you can tell them face to face your thoughts or just carry on being a keyboard warrior always looking at the negative and even when there is a slight positive it is followed by a but!

B4thB4ck
B4thB4ck
16 May, 2019 12:19
If face to face meetings aren't good enough then I suspect the players would love to meet certain contributors to COML - on the training ground for a contact session. Tickets anyone?

ballsout
ballsout
16 May, 2019 12:26
Quote:
hemington
Quote:
ballsout
Not saying it wasnít a good move from the club. Itís mutually beneficial. Iím just kind of bored of all the long winded and flowery language about high performance and exceptional standards. After a decade of serious underperformance, itís hard not to be cynical.
Certainly not hard for you Eeyore. Also you are very good at repetative flowery language about what is wrong. Have you asked them for a meeting so you can tell them face to face your thoughts or just carry on being a keyboard warrior always looking at the negative and even when there is a slight positive it is followed by a but!

Let me explain it in a way a cheerleader like you can understand. I almost never attack players directly, I always blame the system, not the individuals. If players want to have a chat about the way theyíre coached and the way the club is run Iíd happily do it. Iíve chatted with plenty and some are all too happy to stick the boot in.

MESSAGES->author
hemington
16 May, 2019 15:19
Quote:
ballsout
Quote:
hemington
Quote:
ballsout
Not saying it wasnít a good move from the club. Itís mutually beneficial. Iím just kind of bored of all the long winded and flowery language about high performance and exceptional standards. After a decade of serious underperformance, itís hard not to be cynical.
Certainly not hard for you Eeyore. Also you are very good at repetative flowery language about what is wrong. Have you asked them for a meeting so you can tell them face to face your thoughts or just carry on being a keyboard warrior always looking at the negative and even when there is a slight positive it is followed by a but!

Let me explain it in a way a cheerleader like you can understand. I almost never attack players directly, I always blame the system, not the individuals. If players want to have a chat about the way theyíre coached and the way the club is run Iíd happily do it. Iíve chatted with plenty and some are all too happy to stick the boot in.
Hang on while I put my pom-poms down. Why don't you talk to the 'system' directly? The 'system' seems to be Owner, Management and Coaches. They are individuals as well.

MESSAGES->author
hemington
16 May, 2019 15:21
Quote:
ballsout
Quote:
hemington
Quote:
ballsout
Not saying it wasnít a good move from the club. Itís mutually beneficial. Iím just kind of bored of all the long winded and flowery language about high performance and exceptional standards. After a decade of serious underperformance, itís hard not to be cynical.
Certainly not hard for you Eeyore. Also you are very good at repetative flowery language about what is wrong. Have you asked them for a meeting so you can tell them face to face your thoughts or just carry on being a keyboard warrior always looking at the negative and even when there is a slight positive it is followed by a but!

Let me explain it in a way a cheerleader like you can understand. I almost never attack players directly, I always blame the system, not the individuals. If players want to have a chat about the way theyíre coached and the way the club is run Iíd happily do it. Iíve chatted with plenty and some are all too happy to stick the boot in.
Hang on while I put my pom-poms down. Why don't you talk to the 'system' directly? The 'system' seems to be Owner, Management and Coaches. Strange as this may sound - they are individuals as well.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 16/05/2019 17:33 by hemington.

B4thB4ck
B4thB4ck
16 May, 2019 15:45
I think some moans are based on a bingo system.

If we lose, easy pickings obviously. Jump in with both feet kicking all week long.

If we win then it can be down to either:-
Lucky with the ref
Weakened/injured opposition
Nothing in the game
Individual brilliance saved us
Opposition were worse than we were
Why can't we do this every game of the season.

Kidney Stone
Kidney Stone
16 May, 2019 17:12
Fair play to Tarqs and Hoops for setting out aspirations and plans.

Hoops is right to say that his success will be based on results rather than management speak.

Delivering on promises will silence the naysayers.

Donít tell me, show me!

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OutsideBath
16 May, 2019 18:33
Have to give credit to the management team for meeting with some supporters, they could easily have ignored the situation.

Nothing posted will change my personal view that Bath are going in the wrong direction, but for me the most relevant comment was from SH.

"Stuart replied that he would not use words to win doubters over but intended play and results to do that."


I look forward to being proven totally wrong next season.



Tom Dunn - Adopted player 2018/19

ballsout
ballsout
16 May, 2019 18:43
Quote:
B4thB4ck
I think some moans are based on a bingo system.
If we lose, easy pickings obviously. Jump in with both feet kicking all week long.

If we win then it can be down to either:-
Lucky with the ref
Weakened/injured opposition
Nothing in the game
Individual brilliance saved us
Opposition were worse than we were
Why can't we do this every game of the season.

You're right, there's been so many positives these last few years, and huge wins/performances that'll live long in the memory. We're really going places.

MESSAGES->author
joethefanatic
16 May, 2019 18:55
Quote:
Kidney Stone
Fair play to Tarqs and Hoops for setting out aspirations and plans.
Hoops is right to say that his success will be based on results rather than management speak.

Delivering on promises will silence the naysayers.

Donít tell me, show me!

I think, on balance, after careful consideration and taking everything into account, not "Tarqs".

smiling smiley



... IMHO, of course.

Now in Honolulu



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 16/05/2019 19:09 by joethefanatic.

recman
recman
16 May, 2019 19:55
I've seen the phrase "new approach" in a couple of places now with respect to next season. It's not clear to me what this new approach is and how it differs from the "old approach". Do they just mean "appoint an inexperienced coach/DoR" and "get advice from outside experienced coaches"? What are the other significant factors in this "new approach"? Please don't use the word "integrated" in any answers.

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joethefanatic
16 May, 2019 20:42
Quote:
recman
I've seen the phrase "new approach" in a couple of places now with respect to next season. It's not clear to me what this new approach is and how it differs from the "old approach". Do they just mean "appoint an inexperienced coach/DoR" and "get advice from outside experienced coaches"? What are the other significant factors in this "new approach"? Please don't use the word "integrated" in any answers.

Based on Zach's rather excited comments after the Pests game, it might be something to do with attacking at all costs and bu99er the consequences. Which might be not unrelated to the rumoured lack of relegation next year and our new, rather younger, tight 5 may have been brought in specifically to support such a gameplan. I bet Flouw is thrilled tho smiling smiley

I, for one, welcome our new free-running overlords.



... IMHO, of course.

Now in Honolulu



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 16/05/2019 20:45 by joethefanatic.

gaz59
gaz59
16 May, 2019 21:32
Interesting article in the guardian today about Lam and the Bristol Bears project

Can't see anything that Hooper and Blackadder haven't said or anything that is wildy different in tone or content to what has come out from Tarquin.

If anything I would say there is sharper detail in the Bath vision especially in intended playing style

Kaapstad
Kaapstad
17 May, 2019 00:12
Thanks for passing on the information PG.

The "Vission" is at best a silly bit of PR. The team have quality players and few excuses left for just why the results are so hit and miss.

Just maybe, Stuart is the man to tie it together-I hope so, the ground has good support and they deserve a better season than the last few served.

Danchinho
Danchinho
17 May, 2019 09:23
Thanks for passing on thumbs down



I probably don't know what i'm talking about.

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Griff
17 May, 2019 11:04
Blimey the club invite CC and PG Tips to Farleigh. PG provides an update, it is along the lines of what we have heard before, yet as per usual others use it as another chance to snipe at the club and management structure. Personally I will wait for next season and see if the result improve then pas judgement. Being a glass half full man I still think we can challenge next year, but for 3 games lost at the final play we'd be in the playoffs and looking back over the season I can't think of many if any games where we've nicked it in the last few minutes, only chucked it away! There is an argument we should have also beaten 2 semi finalist and 1 finalist in this year European Cup but for a couple of lapses of concentration!

Now I don't know CC or P G Tips except from their posting on COML, but I'm fairly sure as grown adults, posting on an independent forum from the club, they have chosen to share what they wanted to and not what the club wanted, as the club have no editorial control on this site! Unless CC and PG Tips and Tarquin and Bruce in disguise!! smiling smiley

Thanks for posting P G



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DanWiley
DanWiley
17 May, 2019 11:11
" I can't think of many if any games where we've nicked it in the last few minutes"

I agree with you on the wait and see, but Saints home.

gaz59
gaz59
17 May, 2019 11:23
Quote:
DanWiley
" I can't think of many if any games where we've nicked it in the last few minutes"
I agree with you on the wait and see, but Saints home.

Bit of a stretch to say "we nicked it" more like Saints just failed to nick a draw

Think most recent game v Wasps is only one this season but hopefully it is the start of a journey back to the good ole days of "never in doubt"

ballsout
ballsout
17 May, 2019 13:09
Yeah Saints at home it was the opposite, we conspired to nearly lose the win. Just lucky Biggar hit the post with his conversion.

dcsh
dcsh
17 May, 2019 13:43
Cook scored a late try against Saint to get the 5 point win back in 2017, that might be what was being remembered.
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DanWiley
DanWiley
17 May, 2019 14:10
In my case it was Biggar hitting the post, but I was seeing the question more as "When have we won where we otherwise might have lost?" Or drawn in that case. Rather than when have we won it in the last min?

Tomato Soup
Tomato Soup
17 May, 2019 15:25
"Lets wait to see what happens next season before passing judgement"

How many times do we hear this BS.

It doesn't take a genius to work out that if by some miracle we get a better result with broadly the same players then SH will be hailed a genius and if not we will line up another coach to take a fall in his place.

My prediction is that unless some of the academy boys come through and are coached very well we will continue to become less and less relevant.

Time to let the rugby do the talking Tarquin.

This is a results business and the results are rubbish and the stadium is not built.

Fans losing interest.

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OutsideBath
17 May, 2019 16:51
Quote:
Tomato Soup
"Lets wait to see what happens next season before passing judgement"
How many times do we hear this BS.

It doesn't take a genius to work out that if by some miracle we get a better result with broadly the same players then SH will be hailed a genius and if not we will line up another coach to take a fall in his place.

My prediction is that unless some of the academy boys come through and are coached very well we will continue to become less and less relevant.

Time to let the rugby do the talking Tarquin.

This is a results business and the results are rubbish and the stadium is not built.

Fans losing interest.


Not sure you're correct with that last statement.

Personally I'm not prepared to go and watch the team lose more often than not, but given the attendance levels at the Rec this season I would suggest the majority are happy and not losing interest.



Tom Dunn - Adopted player 2018/19

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joethefanatic
17 May, 2019 16:52
Quote:
Tomato Soup
"Lets wait to see what happens next season before passing judgement"
How many times do we hear this BS.

It doesn't take a genius to work out that if by some miracle we get a better result with broadly the same players then SH will be hailed a genius and if not we will line up another coach to take a fall in his place.

My prediction is that unless some of the academy boys come through and are coached very well we will continue to become less and less relevant.

Time to let the rugby do the talking Tarquin.

This is a results business and the results are rubbish and the stadium is not built.

Fans losing interest.

Speak for yourself, mate. I may not be overly happy hut I'm not losing interest. Just the opposite.



... IMHO, of course.

Now in Honolulu

Long Term
Long Term
17 May, 2019 17:28
Quote:
Tomato Soup
"Lets wait to see what happens next season before passing judgement"
How many times do we hear this BS.

It doesn't take a genius to work out that if by some miracle we get a better result with broadly the same players then SH will be hailed a genius and if not we will line up another coach to take a fall in his place.

My prediction is that unless some of the academy boys come through and are coached very well we will continue to become less and less relevant.

Time to let the rugby do the talking Tarquin.

This is a results business and the results are rubbish and the stadium is not built.

Fans losing interest.

I would suggest fans that enjoy watching rugby and supporting their team are in the main not driven to do so by results or even trophies if that were the case best option at present would be to support Saracens. I also enjoy watching/supporting Bath City even though they are not in the Premiership!!!

gaz59
gaz59
17 May, 2019 18:13
Quote:
Long Term
Quote:
Tomato Soup
"Lets wait to see what happens next season before passing judgement"
How many times do we hear this BS.

It doesn't take a genius to work out that if by some miracle we get a better result with broadly the same players then SH will be hailed a genius and if not we will line up another coach to take a fall in his place.

My prediction is that unless some of the academy boys come through and are coached very well we will continue to become less and less relevant.

Time to let the rugby do the talking Tarquin.



This is a results business and the results are rubbish and the stadium is not built.

Fans losing interest.

I would suggest fans that enjoy watching rugby and supporting their team are in the main not driven to do so by results or even trophies if that were the case best option at present would be to support Saracens. I also enjoy watching/supporting Bath City even though they are not in the Premiership!!!

Exactly, might make me very grumpy but would still have same level of interest and support if we did get relegated

Kaapstad
Kaapstad
17 May, 2019 21:35
(Sm152)
Quote:
annie blackthorn
Thanks for letting us know that you were impressed with the facilities.
The rest of your report is all about being carefully managed by the club - or were you not aware of that?

Fine words, but rather like our politicians, JUST GET ON WITH IT!
Saints have achieved it in a season with no fanfare, no fine words, no explanations, just ACTIONS!

Do hope Stuart has been privately given next season to prove himself with drastic improvements in sustained results on the pitch.

SimonG19
SimonG19
18 May, 2019 14:08
Quote:
joethefanatic
Quote:
Tomato Soup
"Lets wait to see what happens next season before passing judgement"
How many times do we hear this BS.

It doesn't take a genius to work out that if by some miracle we get a better result with broadly the same players then SH will be hailed a genius and if not we will line up another coach to take a fall in his place.

My prediction is that unless some of the academy boys come through and are coached very well we will continue to become less and less relevant.

Time to let the rugby do the talking Tarquin.

This is a results business and the results are rubbish and the stadium is not built.

Fans losing interest.

Speak for yourself, mate. I may not be overly happy hut I'm not losing interest. Just the opposite.

It's amazing how many times people with weak arguments claim they are speaking on behalf of others.

MESSAGES->author
shipwrecked
18 May, 2019 14:19
Quote:
SimonG19
Quote:
joethefanatic
Quote:
Tomato Soup
"Lets wait to see what happens next season before passing judgement"
How many times do we hear this BS.

It doesn't take a genius to work out that if by some miracle we get a better result with broadly the same players then SH will be hailed a genius and if not we will line up another coach to take a fall in his place.

My prediction is that unless some of the academy boys come through and are coached very well we will continue to become less and less relevant.

Time to let the rugby do the talking Tarquin.

This is a results business and the results are rubbish and the stadium is not built.

Fans losing interest.

Speak for yourself, mate. I may not be overly happy hut I'm not losing interest. Just the opposite.

It's amazing how many times people with weak arguments claim they are speaking on behalf of others.

I agree Simon, its as though they don't want to state their own opinion but blame other dissenters in case they get criticised.

Incidentally how is the stadium not being built Bath Rugby's fault ?



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