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ENGLAND V WALES
Discussion started by bathwickboy (IP Logged), 09 August, 2019 11:16
bathwickboy
bathwickboy
09 August, 2019 11:16
England team to face Wales:
Daly; McConnochie, Slade, Francis Watson; Ford, Heinz; Genge, Cowan-Dickie, Cole, Launchbury, Ewels, Curry, Underhill, B.Vunipola.

Replacements: Singleton, Marler, Williams, Kruis, Ludlam, Youngs, Marchant, Cokanasiga.

bathwickboy
bathwickboy
09 August, 2019 11:17
Good to see so many of our players involved. Would have liked to see Watson at full back where he would most likely get more of the ball.

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shipwrecked
09 August, 2019 11:22
Wales have selected a very strong side:

Wales: Liam Williams; George North, Jonathan Davies, Hadleigh Parkes, Josh Adams; Gareth Anscombe, Gareth Davies; Nicky Smith, Ken Owens, Tomas Francis; Adam Beard, Alun Wyn Jones (C); Aaron Wainwright, Justin Tipuric, Ross Moriarty.

Subs: Elliot Dee, Wyn Jones, Dillon Lewis, Jake Ball, Aaron Shingler, Tomos Williams, Dan Biggar, Owen Watkin.

England looks to be an experimental proving ground, almost an interview for the real thing.



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woodpecker
09 August, 2019 11:22
wow thats a lot of Bath players

opti
Optimist
09 August, 2019 11:48
Seriously pacy back 3, and 3 great ball-players in midfield. Two open-sides in the back-row, two front-rowers who love a rumble. It's the kind of side I wished Eddie had been building all along - so why do I feel uneasy about it now? I guess because i've no idea if it's just a XV made up of fringers and it just happens to look like a team made to play with the ball in hand, or if Eddie is genuinely working on having a full set of options in terms of personnel and game-plan.

P G Tips
P G Tips
09 August, 2019 11:50
Well done the Bath boys -though I think this selection a risk as it is not our strongest and a home loss this close to a World Cup would not help team confidence.

Times today suggests Underhill & Cokanasiga are "certainties", Watson a "probable" and Ewels, Joseph, McConnochie "possibles" for the eventual squad.

PG

opti
Optimist
10 August, 2019 12:16
If we can serve up anything like Aus vs NZ tomorrow itíll be fun. Nic White is some player - a reminder of how a 9 can transform nice-looking rugby into effective rugby.

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shipwrecked
10 August, 2019 12:53
OK, so bizarrely if England beat Wales tomorrow, unlikely given the selection of the two sides, England would be beating the best side in the world after the Australia v New Zealand today.

Are Wales really that good?



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Mike the Taxi
Mike the Taxi
10 August, 2019 13:06

BathMatt53
BathMatt53
10 August, 2019 13:14
That Aus vs NZ was some game. All the talk about space etc on the other thread and they showed that if you have the skill (as Beale does) and the effort of Hooper etc. with a good 1/2 back pairing to tie the two together then you can put nearly 50 points on the best. Simple as that (oh, and a sending off of course !).



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hemington
10 August, 2019 14:54
Underhill, Slade and McConnochie out of England team injured. Big Joe, Joseph and Ludlum in. Eddie breaking our guys again.

BathMatt53
BathMatt53
10 August, 2019 16:10
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Underhill, Slade and McConnochie out of England team injured. Big Joe, Joseph and Ludlum in. Eddie breaking our guys again.

Ffs



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Clarkey3k
10 August, 2019 17:49
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Underhill, Slade and McConnochie out of England team injured. Big Joe, Joseph and Ludlum in. Eddie breaking our guys again.

How on earth can this be, they only announced the team earlier in the week? I am utterly baffled...



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shipwrecked
10 August, 2019 19:02
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That Aus vs NZ was some game. All the talk about space etc on the other thread and they showed that if you have the skill (as Beale does) and the effort of Hooper etc. with a good 1/2 back pairing to tie the two together then you can put nearly 50 points on the best. Simple as that (oh, and a sending off of course !).

The Australian resurgence could affect our chances. I wonder if it is just a coincidence if they have come good since Folau has left the scene?
Baring surprises we have to play either Wales or Australia. To be honest I'd prefer Wales but we will see. I don't expect Eddie to play his best side in these warm up matches, I almost think he may pick players to simply play an attritional game. Wales don't have the same strength in depth despite what they say.
In some ways I think the RWC has already started!



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BerkeleyWood
The Bear
10 August, 2019 19:04
Nothing has changed then. The inflexibility of Jones' approach could well bite us in the derriere...



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BathMatt53
BathMatt53
10 August, 2019 19:19
The formerly English league contingent made a massive difference IMO. White, Toíomua, Beale (in particular) and even OíConnor.



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joethefanatic
10 August, 2019 23:49
Referee in application of the Laws to New Zealand shocker. Chapeau, M. Garces.



... IMHO, of course.

Now in Honolulu

Bath Hammer
Bath Hammer
10 August, 2019 23:51
How on earth can no less than 3 players, 2of them from Bath, pick up injuries in training. What on earth do they do in training to suffer such a high attrition rate. Quite frankly I canít see England progressing very far in this competition but even so I wonder how many will be left standing by the end!

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shipwrecked
11 August, 2019 00:16
In Eddies world everyone is expendable in the quest for the World Cup BH. Just pick some fresh ones when the original crop is broken.



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BathMatt53
BathMatt53
11 August, 2019 07:25
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How on earth can no less than 3 players, 2of them from Bath, pick up injuries in training. What on earth do they do in training to suffer such a high attrition rate. Quite frankly I canít see England progressing very far in this competition but even so I wonder how many will be left standing by the end!

It is very odd. Presumably they were ok on Thursday as they were picked for the team. As they were playing on Sunday that wouldnít have done anything particularly strenuous or aggressive on the Friday? Weird.



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Bath Hammer
Bath Hammer
11 August, 2019 08:45
I wish them well but will be relieved when his reign of terror has ended.

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OutsideBath
11 August, 2019 11:43
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I wish them well but will be relieved when his reign of terror has ended.

+1

Will be glad to see the back of Jones, my perception is that England have more injuries in training than other nations. More importantly the amount of Bath players getting injured whilst with England is irritating.



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warrenball
warrenball
11 August, 2019 11:53
Funny game today, is this more a battle between two southern hemisphere coaches more than two northern hemisphere teams?

John Tee
John Tee
11 August, 2019 13:13
The thing is, can you believe anything from Jones.
i don't think so. Cant wait to see the back of him as i think he has blown 4 years, imv

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Clarkey3k
11 August, 2019 13:14
Can't get excited about these warm up games tbh, tried to watch 2nd half of the Ire/Italy but found myself reading the paper. As for today, my worry is injuries but the match will be less intense than an England training session so we might get through it unscathed...



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shipwrecked
11 August, 2019 13:29
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Can't get excited about these warm up games tbh, tried to watch 2nd half of the Ire/Italy but found myself reading the paper. As for today, my worry is injuries but the match will be less intense than an England training session so we might get through it unscathed...

Point is though will Wales, who have their first team out come through unscathed?

Lets be honest if AWJ does his knee or Jonathon Davies does his Achillies that is a major blow to Wales' chances. We would be miffed if we lost Charlie Ewels to injury as would Saints but would that affect England, I'm not so sure?



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shipwrecked
11 August, 2019 14:13
England 7-0 Wales - Billy Vunipola

Terrific start.



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shipwrecked
11 August, 2019 14:15
Curry having a fantastic start to the game, Watson and JJ sharp. Is BV over for his second?



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shipwrecked
11 August, 2019 14:21
Not from BV that time but from the 15 yard scrum but Big Joe goes over a few minutes later 14-0.
Heinz looks good!



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John Tee
John Tee
11 August, 2019 14:27
stand outs from a stand out start are Joe C, BV and Currie.

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shipwrecked
11 August, 2019 14:30
Gareth Davis shows Eliot Daly and Ludlum up for a solo try.

England 14 -7 Wales



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shipwrecked
11 August, 2019 14:36
England doing their usual 'drop off' in performance after 30 mins.



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shipwrecked
11 August, 2019 14:38
Curry off injured Underhill in a protective boot, Lawes into the back row as replacement.



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shipwrecked
11 August, 2019 14:42
Anscombe off injured, right leg, Biggar on.



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BathMatt53
BathMatt53
11 August, 2019 14:43
Anscombe stayed on 10 mins too long - with a WC this close he should have been off the them.



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shipwrecked
11 August, 2019 14:52
Luke Cowan Dickie over as AWJ misses the lineout.

21 - 7 George Ford looks better when OF isn't around.



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BathMatt53
BathMatt53
11 August, 2019 14:57
All the Bath lads looking good so far. Ewels putting himself about a bit, not doing his chances any harm.

LCD going OK with and without the ball but I do wince whenever he is about to throw in a dart.



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CoochieCoo
11 August, 2019 15:00
Joe C seems to playing like a ninth forward! Phenomenal strength to add with Billy V.



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BathMatt53
BathMatt53
11 August, 2019 15:17
Dan Cole stupid giving away that pen for no reason which led to the try.



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shipwrecked
11 August, 2019 15:20
England concede a sloppy try. Could really do with a proper defensive coach, really basic defensive stuff.



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BathMatt53
BathMatt53
11 August, 2019 15:32
Really aimless kicking from England this second half.



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shipwrecked
11 August, 2019 15:33
Elliot Daly? Think I prefer Watson.



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shipwrecked
11 August, 2019 15:37
Ewels, Lawes and Billy is now our back row!



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shipwrecked
11 August, 2019 15:43
Great pass from Ben Youngs! (Sm161) Francis (Sm8)



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shipwrecked
11 August, 2019 15:49
What was that? Technically a dropped goal but not a pretty sight. Elliot Daly.

England 33-19 Wales



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DaveOfTrow
GrumpyDave
11 August, 2019 16:00
Had to bale early, but from what I saw at HQ Joe C & Willie Heinz may as well book a summer holiday. Heinz wasnít bad; just on a completely different wavelength to everyone else. He went left everyone else went right, that kind of thing. Big Joe was all over the place. Looking for the big hit/carry the entire time. Too green for Japan Iíd say. Charlie E did ok i thought. Watson was good. JJ ok. The game didnít quite have proper test match intensity, but still a good win.

John Tee
John Tee
11 August, 2019 16:02
You dont want Daly as your last man ...end of.

Bath boys collectively very good.

Mike the Taxi
Mike the Taxi
11 August, 2019 16:04
Shortest period at the top of the Rugby Rankings?

BathMatt53
BathMatt53
11 August, 2019 16:06
Disagree about Heinz, thought he was OK for his first test. Joe C naive in D, huge in A.



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DanWiley
DanWiley
11 August, 2019 16:07
I thought we dropped off a bit when Heinz went off, but maybe it was just coincident with the only 10-15 min when we looked like losing.

It was a bit of a friendly but there was some good stuff I thought.

DanWiley
DanWiley
11 August, 2019 16:10
Officially they needed to beat England to get top at all.

Kidney Stone
Kidney Stone
11 August, 2019 16:16
Thought the Bath contingent acquitted themselves well.

Hopefully Curry not too badly injured.

AWJ really looking his years now, but Anscombe looking very dangerous before he got crocked.

DorsetBoy
Dorset Boy
11 August, 2019 16:55
Wales never looked like getting close and rightly aren't 'the best team in the world'. Really good performance from what no one considered close to England's strongest team against the best the welsh could put out.
Thought Piers Francis was quietly efficient, Heinz did well I thought.
Watson & JJ getting back to their best. JoCo showing his age.
Ewels was strong throughout.

BathMatt53
BathMatt53
11 August, 2019 17:00
JJ has some nice lines, nice touches and some good thinking - but boy does he seem to have lost some pace.

That result probably did Wales a favour pre-WC, release some of the hype.



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shipwrecked
11 August, 2019 17:12
Highlights on BBC2 @ 18.00 - 10-00 tonight.



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shipwrecked
11 August, 2019 17:16
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JJ has some nice lines, nice touches and some good thinking - but boy does he seem to have lost some pace.
That result probably did Wales a favour pre-WC, release some of the hype.

I think he was losing some of that before his injury Matt, hence the change to grubber kicks through rather than trusting his pace. Watson still pretty quick though!



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P G Tips
P G Tips
11 August, 2019 17:24
Agree DB.
A highly "satisfactory" day for England I would suggest.

Yes- Joe C showed defensive naivety, but then Watson and Joseph also showed signs of rust, having missed that level of rugby for a year.Heinz was better than I had feared, although I still hope Eddie choses Spencer.

The main alarm area is loose forward - Curry & Underhill both injured is a worry and Ludlum was badly exposed for Davies' try.

The Bath boys all did their causes good as KS says.

It will be interesting to see what Warren does nextt- surely England will select more first teamers for Cardiff?

PG

BathMatt53
BathMatt53
11 August, 2019 17:34
Itís only in 6 days, they both need to totally rotate their teams I would have thought?



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DanWiley
DanWiley
11 August, 2019 17:36
I think it was mainly the hype that Wales had going for them. They are a decent enough team, good enough to win the thing is they thought so, but that game hear probably just busy that bubble. Without the hype they'll do as well as Wales do: get to a quarter or semi then feel like that's their station in life and go out to a team no better than themselves. If they really believed the hype they could have gone on to lose to the abs in a final and, even then, the kiwis look far from unbeatable.

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plong
11 August, 2019 21:18
Thought Ben Youngs was poor when he came on. Heinz did well, as did Bath boyz. Would like to see JC again next week, just to see what he can do differently when he's been worked out...

Anyone know how bad McConnochie's injury is?



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shipwrecked
11 August, 2019 21:20
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Thought Ben Youngs was poor when he came on. Heinz did well, as did Bath boyz. Would like to see JC again next week, just to see what he can do differently when he's been worked out...
Anyone know how bad McConnochie's injury is?

Pretty sure I read he will play next week in Cardiff.



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Bath Hammer
Bath Hammer
11 August, 2019 21:24
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I think it was mainly the hype that Wales had going for them. They are a decent enough team, good enough to win the thing is they thought so, but that game hear probably just busy that bubble. Without the hype they'll do as well as Wales do: get to a quarter or semi then feel like that's their station in life and go out to a team no better than themselves. If they really believed the hype they could have gone on to lose to the abs in a final and, even then, the kiwis look far from unbeatable.

Can you have another go at that Dan!

BathMatt53
BathMatt53
11 August, 2019 21:31
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Thought Ben Youngs was poor when he came on. Heinz did well, as did Bath boyz. Would like to see JC again next week, just to see what he can do differently when he's been worked out...
Anyone know how bad McConnochie's injury is?

Pretty sure I read he will play next week in Cardiff.

Final squad announcement at 1pm tomorrow - so that would mean RM makes the final group?



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DanWiley
DanWiley
11 August, 2019 23:09
Sure. Someone suggested that it might benefit Wales to have the hype popped, as this result is likely to do.

I disagree (unusual eh). I actually think the hype made Wales quite dangerous. They've got a decent enough squad, the hype is massively flattering them, but actually if they believed in themselves they could beat anyone (except an in form abs). The hype could have given them that. Without it you know they're just one of the top 8 teams in the world and, more over, one that just seems to accept they aren't world champions when it really matters. As a result they won't be.

Any better? I'll admit I'm a few more beers down so I don't expect so.

ballsout
ballsout
12 August, 2019 05:45
Wales always start slowly and improve as the weeks go on. I'd say they're up there as world cup contenders.

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Big Joe was all over the place. Looking for the big hit/carry the entire time. Too green for Japan Iíd say.

I agree, really frustrating, but with Nowell out he'll probably go.

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shipwrecked
12 August, 2019 08:08
Joe played like an extra forward and repeatedly got over the gain line. The point is does that mitigate his flying up and missing tackles?
Incidentally he did make some of those hits, on on North knocked him backwards, he also tracked back really well.
I'm not sure he is full international quality yet but he will cause chaos in the prem!



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shipwrecked
12 August, 2019 08:19
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Thought Ben Youngs was poor when he came on. Heinz did well, as did Bath boyz. Would like to see JC again next week, just to see what he can do differently when he's been worked out...
Anyone know how bad McConnochie's injury is?

Pretty sure I read he will play next week in Cardiff.

Final squad announcement at 1pm tomorrow - so that would mean RM makes the final group?

Made me think that Matt but he could still name the squad without Rory but pick him for the game in Cardiff. It would just mean that he would be playing for a lost cause or to make a case for his inclusion in the event of injury.
Watson looked good yesterday on the wing, he has to go to cover full back. An area that he should be preferred to over Daly. He makes too many defensive errors, there is even a case for including Brown!
I'm not sure a scruffy dropped goal warrants his retention.



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CoochieCoo
12 August, 2019 08:44
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shipwrecked
Joe played like an extra forward and repeatedly got over the gain line. The point is does that mitigate his flying up and missing tackles?
Incidentally he did make some of those hits, on on North knocked him backwards, he also tracked back really well.
I'm not sure he is full international quality yet but he will cause chaos in the prem!

I have a theory that Joe was given freedom by Eddie to use his considerable strength with the forwards when it was appropriate. On one of these occasions he scored.



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shipwrecked
12 August, 2019 08:57
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Joe played like an extra forward and repeatedly got over the gain line. The point is does that mitigate his flying up and missing tackles?
Incidentally he did make some of those hits, on on North knocked him backwards, he also tracked back really well.
I'm not sure he is full international quality yet but he will cause chaos in the prem!

I have a theory that Joe was given freedom by Eddie to use his considerable strength with the forwards when it was appropriate. On one of these occasions he scored.

May well be right CC, seemed to take the burden off Billy Vunipola.



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opti
Optimist
12 August, 2019 09:16
'Joe played like an extra forward and repeatedly got over the gain line. ' Ö don't we have forwards to do that?

I haven't seen much more than a few snippets of the game, but really wasn't expecting such a comfortable England win - a scratch XV against a first-choice. Maybe it's the done thing to win friendlies at home?

But on 'Eddie watch' i'd say that result is a major positive at this stage of proceedings.

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shipwrecked
12 August, 2019 09:24
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'Joe played like an extra forward and repeatedly got over the gain line. ' Ö don't we have forwards to do that?
I haven't seen much more than a few snippets of the game, but really wasn't expecting such a comfortable England win - a scratch XV against a first-choice. Maybe it's the done thing to win friendlies at home?

But on 'Eddie watch' i'd say that result is a major positive at this stage of proceedings.

True, Opti but he was the extra man, anyway grab a coffee and take a look for yourself on iPlayer then I would be interested to hear who should be at 15.



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woodpecker
12 August, 2019 09:37
What's the point of playing Italy?

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shipwrecked
12 August, 2019 09:48
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What's the point of playing Italy?

Italy need to play some weaker opposition to get their backs attack pattern perfect!



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Rawce
12 August, 2019 10:14
I reckon Gatland timed the training regime so Wales would be a bit knackered for this one to ensure no complacency. Itíll be different this week.

DanWiley
DanWiley
12 August, 2019 10:17
"I'm not sure a scruffy dropped goal warrants his retention."

I agree. I thought Daly looked a bit of a liability at fullback and given i think we have a penalty advantage the drop goal looked flashy but brought us nothing.

opti
Optimist
12 August, 2019 10:51
I'm finding it hard to go back on Daly having wanted him to be in ahead of Mike Brown ever since Eddie arrived - but with the plethora of options now available in the back 3, and the ball-playing options in midfield, it does get hard to make a case for a full-back who is rubbish under the high ball and not a great last line of defence. I can't remember seeing Jonny May, Ant or Ruaridh drop a high ball, and I can barely remember Daly taking one.

It's kind of incredible that, within a couple of hours of the squad being announced, we're either awash with options and permutations, or have absolutely no idea of our best backline.

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shipwrecked
12 August, 2019 11:32
Whether by accident or design Eddie's trying so many options coupled with injuries has lead to a group of backs who are pretty equal but slightly different, Slade, JJ, Manu, Farrell, Ford, Daly, Francis, Teo, May, Nowell, Watson, Brown, Joe C, Lozowski. For me the 2 key areas are 9 and 15. We have discussed 9 in detail but I'm a bit concerned about 15. When Daly first moved to 15 his huge boot and electric pace compensated for his indifferent tackling. With more creativity from Ford, Slade, JJ and Watson that edge seems to have gone.

I'm not actually sure we have any sort of idea what our best set of backs is, which is sort of an advantage. In the current game injuries occur so often they would never play together so why bother.

I'm coming to the opinion that defence is going to be crucial in this campaign which worries me a bit as we are not brilliant at it!



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DanWiley
DanWiley
12 August, 2019 12:51
"I'm coming to the opinion that defence is going to be crucial in this campaign which worries me a bit as we are not brilliant at it!"

Who was commentating yesterday and why were they so pro Wales? I'm used to it on the BBC, but I thought sky might be better. Anyway, relating to SW's comment: they seemed to be fawning over pretty mediocre defense from Wales, forcing England into touch was decent enough but probably our mistake and not something a bunch of under 15s wouldn't do. Yet England drove them back 10s of meters numerous times in defense (from try line to 10m line I recall at least once) and it wasn't even mentioned.

But for a couple of times the ref seemed only to be looking at one side (fair enough it happens) and a couple of odd rusty moments I don't think the English defense was that bad and, as I say, on occasions game changing.

I'd also say the defense from kicks from England was pretty effective, in fairness the commentators did pick up on Wales' poor strategy to keep kicking it to us in the open.

Bath Hammer
Bath Hammer
12 August, 2019 13:09
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Sure. Someone suggested that it might benefit Wales to have the hype popped, as this result is likely to do.
I disagree (unusual eh). I actually think the hype made Wales quite dangerous. They've got a decent enough squad, the hype is massively flattering them, but actually if they believed in themselves they could beat anyone (except an in form abs). The hype could have given them that. Without it you know they're just one of the top 8 teams in the world and, more over, one that just seems to accept they aren't world champions when it really matters. As a result they won't be.

Any better? I'll admit I'm a few more beers down so I don't
expect so.

Much better Dan & I agree. I think success, whether lucky occasionally or not, breeds confidence, confidence breeds hype & once burst they can just join the pack. I canít see much difference between England, Ireland & Wales with Scotland only a hairs breadth behind. I would go as far as saying this hype/confidence thing applies to the Premiership & there is little difference in playing ability between Bath & Exeter. No doubt there will be an avalanche of denials!

BathMatt53
BathMatt53
12 August, 2019 14:39
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Anscombe stayed on 10 mins too long - with a WC this close he should have been off the them.

Hmmm, he was never going to run that one off...

[www.bbc.co.uk]

Terrible luck for the guy.



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John Tee
John Tee
12 August, 2019 19:16
Took a scan to review the jury. No way round that...
unlucky boy.

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joethefanatic
12 August, 2019 20:09
That is very very sad for Anscombe. But it strengthens Wales at a RWC immensely. Dan Biggar is an outstanding defensive 10, his tactical kicking is very good and his attack at the line has improved greatly this season under Boyd at Saints. If Wales have at least one other quality 10 for depth, then I think they are contenders.



... IMHO, of course.

Now in Honolulu

gaz59
gaz59
12 August, 2019 20:21
Have just watched BBC2 extended highlights and the one area that disappointed me was the number of clean, clear line breaks that came to nothing through lack of support runners

Oh and Daly stepping inside with Ant outside and a clear 10 metre run to the line on 37 minutes was another one

Bath Hammer
Bath Hammer
12 August, 2019 22:55
I find it difficult to make my mind up about JJ. He is a very good all round rugby player with a good head on his shoulders. He has all the skills & is tactically astute. However, although he is considered quick I donít see it. He almost always fails to finish off try scoring opportunities, either by being scragged, losing his footing or being unable to deploy an effective sidestep. For instance I couldnít imagine him scoring a try like Gareth Davies did on Sunday & I feel he should have that in his locker to be considered top drawer & worthy of marquee status.

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shipwrecked
12 August, 2019 23:00
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Thought Ben Youngs was poor when he came on. Heinz did well, as did Bath boyz. Would like to see JC again next week, just to see what he can do differently when he's been worked out...
Anyone know how bad McConnochie's injury is?

Pretty sure I read he will play next week in Cardiff.

Final squad announcement at 1pm tomorrow - so that would mean RM makes the final group?

Well spotted Matt, did you have a flutter on it?



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Darren Atkins Age 21 years, Fullback, 6 ft 1 in, 13 st 4 lbs. Sadly injured for the rest of the season!

DanWiley
DanWiley
13 August, 2019 07:04
That sounds a bit like JJ's completely great in most ways, but isn't entirely like another player in one way, so I'm not sure about him.

For what it's worth, I'm not sure that he doesn't finish things off as a general rule, I've not seen him enough since coming back. Historically he really has executed well. On Sunday England generally failed to capitalise on their breakthroughs, the Welsh cover was good and England not quite sharp enough.

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shipwrecked
13 August, 2019 08:04
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For what it's worth, I'm not sure that he doesn't finish things off as a general rule, I've not seen him enough since coming back. Historically he really has executed well. On Sunday England generally failed to capitalise on their breakthroughs, the Welsh cover was good and England not quite sharp enough.

Regarding JJ, the failure to support the break was a feature on Sunday. I rewatched the highlights yesterday and specifically looked at JJ's game. He is very quick in defence to set up winning the ball and also disrupts the opposition centres by his positioning. His line break was away from support but the only option he had was not to break the line at all, he also facilitated Curry's line break.

What was different was that JJ was effectively playing 2 positions as JoeC was regularly coming inside him to act as a 'fly forward' (see CC's comment above). I agree that he may have lost a little pace but his positioning was key to enabling Francis and JoeC to play their game.

Jonathon Davies is a game changer and he was nullified at the weekend apart from one break on the touch line. When did the Welsh centres cut our line?

As for scoring the Davies try, missed tackles by Billy V, Ludlum and Daly led to that! I think he is the glue that holds the backs together. Not as good as 2-3 years ago but still effective.



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Darren Atkins Age 21 years, Fullback, 6 ft 1 in, 13 st 4 lbs. Sadly injured for the rest of the season!

gaz59
gaz59
13 August, 2019 10:36
Great though Billy was, he missed two other tackles in the other two welsh tries


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