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Have Moseley beaten us to it ?
Discussion started by Southstand(again) , 15 July, 2014 11:06
Have Moseley beaten us to it ?
Southstand(again) 15 July, 2014 11:06
Not great for the Bees though new name

Oh blow! Do we still do Leroux's ? (Sm6)



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 15/07/2014 11:09 by Southstand(again).

Re: Have Moseley beaten us to it ?
TeflonTed 15 July, 2014 13:01
BEES can just revert to their full names of Birmingham and Solihull Rugby Club, and probably still have the older name Birmingham Rugby Football Club registered somewhere or other.

Re: Have Moseley beaten us to it ?
wrfc1981 16 July, 2014 10:33
“The club will establish itself as the leading Midlands club below the Premiership"

Ummmmnn, I dont quite think so! What's he drinking??!!

Re: Have Moseley beaten us to it ?
Veston Pants 16 July, 2014 13:45
Why limit their appeal to just Birmingham? Why not be West Midlands Moseley with an even bigger catchment area.

However, they'd probably attract the most attention if they called themselves Oswald Moseley - but should probably avoid wearing black shirts.

Re: Have Moseley beaten us to it ?
BC Warrior 17 July, 2014 08:17
Silly to change the name to Birmingham Moseley.

Moseley has a long proud history.

Perhaps Moseley Brummies might be apt LOL.

Re: Have Moseley beaten us to it ?
TeflonTed 17 July, 2014 11:11
Maybe not, some folk I've met from Moseley insist they're not Brummies at all, since they live in "The Village".

Always had an unnecessary bob on themselves did Moseley folk, I blame all that Gold Braid on their blazers.

Re: Have Moseley beaten us to it ?
Patgadd 17 July, 2014 11:21
I have memories of playing at Moseley when there were 3 sides playing at home. After the match, the first team enjoyed a really good spread (in the-first-team-only bar of course); the third team had cold food, and the fifth team had sandwiches!

Re: Have Moseley beaten us to it ?
Southstand(again) 17 July, 2014 11:21
I'm fairly sure Billesley Common falls within the constituency of the "village" of Selly Oak these days winking smiley

Re: Have Moseley beaten us to it ?
TeflonTed 17 July, 2014 15:20
Pat, were you there for the last game ever at The Reddings when we were the visitors? It was a sad occasion for them for sure, but the weight of gold braided blazers there on that day would have sunk a second Titanic!

Re: Have Moseley beaten us to it ?
Patgadd 17 July, 2014 17:18
Sadly not; it was during the wilderness years after I had stopped playing and before I started supporting Worcester. I do remember the blazers though!



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Re: Have Moseley beaten us to it ?
West Brom Warrior 18 July, 2014 08:13
Indeed TT the folks from Moseley pride themselves on the fact they are not from Birmingham however I don't think there are to many large businesses based in Moseley therefore by adding Birmingham to the name they are hoping to appeal to new sponsors.

My personal view on name changes like this is that the club will still be the same club with the clubhouse (porter cabins) walls full of history and the old players still associated with the club it will still be Mosley Rugby Club and if adding Birmingham to the name helps them create new memories and history then its hardly a bad idea.

Re: Have Moseley beaten us to it ?
TeflonTed 18 July, 2014 08:38
Yes, it's all a bit silly season really, and as you say, up to them.

Or is it? Would Bees not have retained the name Birmingham RFC because that's what they were prior to the merger with the Silhillians.

Mose always was the last bastion of the posh Brummie, 1950/60's style, along with the gold braid there were three levels of bar access, and pints of Ansells were taken in dimple mugs which had to be held in a certain way, with the wrist curled inwards and pot held to the chest, as if lecturing the workers from the top of the factory steps.

Dear old Pharts, didn't take them very long to wreck a perfectly good club once professionalism came along.

Re: Have Moseley beaten us to it ?
ARFC Warrior 18 July, 2014 09:51
Bit like trying to cling on to the 3 pears really.

(Sm128)

Re: Have Moseley beaten us to it ?
Southstand(again) 18 July, 2014 11:14
Quote:
ARFC Warrior
Bit like trying to cling on to the 3 pears really.
(Sm128)

No similarity whatsoever.

Just simply whether a player wearing the warriors shirt should have some link to the Club's past and the players like Shillingford, powell , Brown , Sumo and the rest who also wore it and created a little piece of history in helping Worcester Rugby's climb from relative obscurity.

History may be of little importance to some but they are very much in the minority when viewed within the Rugby community as a whole. Ask any Glos, Bath or Bristol supporter.

Given the choice of a wearing a badge or crest which has some historical significance or a logo that only signifies Brand awareness, I know what my choice would be.

Re: Have Moseley beaten us to it ?
ARFC Warrior 18 July, 2014 11:25
I think each has its place.

My point was that TT has been a strong supporter of the 3 pears, but was decrying Moseley for clinging to the past and tradition.

It was meant to be a friendly leg pull, but in the "tradition" of message boards it always falls flat when you try to do that sort of thing and someone takes you seriously.

Re: Have Moseley beaten us to it ?
WorcesterSauce 18 July, 2014 13:00
All this changing names thing is utterly pointless if the sole reason is "to appear more commercially attractive" as was our change is badge. Sorry but how do these people who make these changes honestly think that a change of name/badge will help bring in any new fans whatsoever. Success predominantly brings in fans. Following that a club with years of tradition and doing well and belongs to a place and the people in it. Cheap, gimmicky badges and name changes have nothing to do with it I'm afraid which is why it is stupid IMO to needlessly fiddle with it. All it does is alienate fans who preferred what the badge/name was before. Barely anybody actually prefers the power ranger over the egg and those who do are generally beneath the age of 10 and will grow out of it and realise that history, tradition and a club with a sense of belonging is more important than cheap gimmicks aimed and trying to make a bit of quick cash. Failing that, those adults who prefer it cannot actually come up with a decent amount of sound and reasonable arguments for the badge.

Re: Have Moseley beaten us to it ?
Fouroak 18 July, 2014 14:43
The people who wrecked Moseley at the dawn of the professional age were not the old farts but the people who took it over - all with successful business backgrounds - and ran it like a sweet shop. That's what forced the ground sale, years on the road and the move to Billesley.

There is a connection with the old club, and with the current amateur club, that Warriors either do not have or are in danger of losing ( I am not sure which it is and it is a sterile argument anyway).

Renaming the club is their business - one point though, outside of south B'ham and the closed world that is rugby - who knows where Moseley is anyway? There can be two clubs with Birmingham in the name, I believe that Manchester has managed this for some time in football with no material confusion ( it happens in Dundee, Bristol, Milan, Madrid and other places too).

Re: Have Moseley beaten us to it ?
Shoutin' Bloke 18 July, 2014 18:19
Name change...what kind of club would do that(Sm163)

Re: Have Moseley beaten us to it ?
Skipper 19 July, 2014 16:25
I am surprised no one has commented on the point where they have asked supporters for feedback being "Wary of any backlash". Is it a token gesture to pretend they value the fans input or are they genuinely interested in their fans views. I wonder if we would of had the egg if there was a consultation with fans with regards to their views on a new brand being introduced?

Re: Have Moseley beaten us to it ?
TeflonTed 19 July, 2014 18:43
Quote:
ARFC Warrior
I think each has its place.
My point was that TT has been a strong supporter of the 3 pears, but was decrying Moseley for clinging to the past and tradition.

It was meant to be a friendly leg pull, but in the "tradition" of message boards it always falls flat when you try to do that sort of thing and someone takes you seriously.

Not quite how I see it.

Yes I'm a fan of the 3Pears, and no I don't in my my comments re. Moseley make any reference to them "clinging to the past and tradition" (your words, not mine) I simply refer to what I call the old Pharts who wrecked the club.

And Fouroak, I don't claim to know the individuals who mis-managed Moseley at that time, but despite their previous business successes they certainly cocked up the rugby club well enough. I recall seeing press and media coverage at the time, they seemed Old-ish and Phart-ish enough to me!

Re: Have Moseley beaten us to it ?
West Brom Warrior 02 August, 2014 11:27
It's not going to happen unless they are offered huge amounts of money


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