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Gloucester new stand name
Powick Eastander (IP Logged)
17 July, 2017 14:37
Bet21 Stand. [www.gloucesterrugby.co.uk]

This is one of my pet hates.. Betting companies all over sport and sports channels, it is just wrong in my view. They promote the wrong view of betting, it's cool it's hip, it's exciting and you are not in if you are not betting and you can't get the full excitement from sport if you are not betting on it. Terrible thing to promote for young and old alike. Fools and their money.

I hate betting companies! and no I don't have a gambling issue.. Wrong wrong wrong!angry smiley



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Re: Gloucester new stand name
TeflonTed (IP Logged)
17 July, 2017 15:08
Yes

 
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Re: Gloucester new stand name
Faithful_City (IP Logged)
17 July, 2017 15:37
Agreed!

I know from personal experience(not me) what addiction to gambling can do to a family. No matter what gamblers or betting companies say it is very, very, easy to become addicted.

JP

 
TVM Rides Again....Again
Re: Gloucester new stand name
TVM Rides Again (IP Logged)
17 July, 2017 15:44
I am in no way a prude. I am very much a live and let live sort of a bloke. Little in society bothers me.


Going to a casino isn't my cuppa - but I can see the appeal. Though I don't like all of the Bond/Oceans 11 baggage that goes with.

I will have a flutter on the national - and the occasional silly accumulator. Sort of every 6 months if that.


But I find the proliferation of gambling ads, for sports and online casinos very concerning.

In the sports ones (as that is what is being discussed here) - its the language that annoys me.

'take it all in, and take control' - massaging the ego of the punter - you are some sort of wisened rational odds machine - you survey everything and rationally analyse - you control it all - you know so much.

What utter balls. A million and one things are outside your control on this.

The other one I have heard is 'are you a spectator, or a player?'

Well, as your on your sofa at home with the William hill app....I'm going to say spectator.

It's almost like saying 'not gambling? Just watching? What....like a big Jessie? Not up to it...not a player'

But we are back to all of the Oceans 11 baggage of being a 'player' - which is seen as some sort of stylish positive thing. Wrap your thing up in positive language and away you go. It's almost like bullying.



I have equal grievance with online casino's - but that can wait smiling smiley



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Southstand(again)
Re: Gloucester new stand name
Southstand(again) (IP Logged)
17 July, 2017 16:31
I'd be totally happy to sit in a Bet 365 South stand next season.

In fact, it would be infinitely preferable to being associated with something that produces disgusting clouds of vapour which we are becoming increasingly aware actually damage our health rather than offer a safe alternative to tobacco.

Gambling has, and will, continue to exist, whether we care to acknowledge it or not. What's wrong with Clubs letting bookmakers put some of the millions of pounds they make back into sport ?

Somebody please tell me Come on you Warriors hasn't become a refuge for the "Born again" lot.

 
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Re: Gloucester new stand name
Abberley (IP Logged)
17 July, 2017 17:09
I don't often get too involved with TV drama series but, for anyone who didn't see it, I would recommend watching Jimmy McGovern's 'Broken' (still available for a couple of weeks on iPlayer) as a plausible insight into the insidious effects of low-level gambling.

[www.bbc.co.uk]

Is the South Stand still sponsored by E-Lites? Seemed ironic when vaping is prohibited within Sixways Stadium.

Another sponsor which we should be uncomfortable with (and ISTR was discussed here at the time) is Under Armour, given their involvement with big-game trophy hunting etc.

 
FlipFlop
Re: Gloucester new stand name
FlipFlop (IP Logged)
17 July, 2017 19:41
Seem to remember GTech incurring wrath as a potential sponsor early last season.

However with a brewery as a club partner I think we have a number of the 'sins' covered.

Here's to the Gluten Free Stand, Malvern Spring Water Stand, The SilentNight Stand and The Becks Blue Stand.

 
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Re: Gloucester new stand name
TeflonTed (IP Logged)
18 July, 2017 07:47
Let's not bring religion into it.

(Two oblique references in the thread already)

My position on gambling is straightforward, and based on my knowledge of my father's best friend, a bookmaker with 3 shops, and a nice Jag.

But, some of us are strong, others aren't, I can easily resist gambling ads, others can't, and untold damage is done to individuals and families.

There isn't an answer, we don't want a nanny state, and there will always be some people in all sorts of trouble due to various addictions that those of us more fortunate easily avoid.

There are alcoholics, do I want beer banned?, er, no.

Hey ho, I'm off up Kinder Scout today, driver is loading the car, time to move so over and out.

 
TVM Rides Again....Again
Re: Gloucester new stand name
TVM Rides Again (IP Logged)
18 July, 2017 08:33
I don't think anyone is wanting to ban gambling. I don't want that too happen.

However, I watched a bloke one the train playing on line black jack - I looked over his shoulder for a little while - a few minutes. The ration of computer winning to him winning was about 3-1. But he just kept pressing the button, putting more and more cash on the line.

Now - as I said - I can see the attraction of going to a casino as an evening out - not my cuppa having been to a couple, but I can see why some do like it.

But its this normalisation of it on ads as something you do on break at work, or when you are in a cab, or waiting for dinner to cook. These are all things I have seen on adverts - and to me that normalises the whole habit, and I have seen first hand evidence of it.

Ted's point about alcohol is a pertinent one - no one is arguing for the banning of gambling. But alcohol has incredibly strict rules on advertising - and there is a very narrow band of what is acceptable

- No one who looks under 25
- no drinking to overcome problems
- solitary drinking is forbidden
- you cant show drinking as a challenge
- cant link it to increased confidence

etc etc etc

And so - basically all of the destructive stuff that draws people in to problems.

They even banned an advert for the Toyota GT86 (a sports car if you can imagine such a thing) as it showed someone actively enjoying driving swiftly - heaven forfend.

Given these restrictions on other advertising I am not sure why we have gambling adverts with such normalising behaviour, everyone winning all the time and then mumbling 'when the fun stops stop' quickly at the end......and if that's making me a Snowflake lefty opposed to the absolutely unfettered, do anything for extra money free market - so be it.



Anyway - who doesn't find the advert with Ray Winston as a big-brother like floating head talking dramatically about gambling like some sort dramatic manly lifestyle as people neglect actual amazing experiences to concentrate how their 'cheeky little dabble' on West Ham has gone.

 
Southstand(again)
Re: Gloucester new stand name
Southstand(again) (IP Logged)
18 July, 2017 09:05
I just know I shouldn't rejoin this thread as this morning I am suffering the consequences of an ill-judged progression from a shared bottle of Old Tom to a bottle of the best Brecon had to offer.

It's just through my juniper haze this morning I distinctly remember listening to a piece on the news about banning "His and Hers" advertising because of the harm caused by stereotyping sexes and the likely outcome of prejudicing life choices.

Really ? Is this what society has really sunk to ? Lord help us.


Sorry ted biblical slip (Sm115)

 
ROLLO on tour
Re: Gloucester new stand name
ROLLO (IP Logged)
18 July, 2017 11:18
I am not sure that you get anywhere with banning things. I do happen to think that on-line gambling can prey on the vulnerable but business is business and as another poster has said we have an e-cigarette stand and a brewery as a sponsor which some would think can be an equal social evil.
I wrote to Newcastle United when Wonga became their main sponsor having seen the way they treat the vulnerable, but without response.
The test for me would be in a Christian Church decided to sponsor a stand or advertisement, I wonder if some would find that an issue?

 
Little Mazda 3
Re: Gloucester new stand name
Jiving K Boots (IP Logged)
18 July, 2017 12:57
I am against any business whose whole stategy is to pick the pockets of the poor. But it takes two to tango and there are loads of mug punters out there. Not just gambling, but payday loans, Brighthouse, smoking, vaping, etc.

 
Big T 15
Re: Gloucester new stand name
Big T 15 (IP Logged)
18 July, 2017 13:15
Selling the naming rights of stands to companies - no, no.

Selling the naming rights of stands to betting companies - even bigger no, no.

Cheap, easy and now arguably immoral.

 
Southstand(again)
Re: Gloucester new stand name
Southstand(again) (IP Logged)
18 July, 2017 13:27
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ROLLO
I am not sure that you get anywhere with banning things.
The test for me would be if a Christian Church decided to sponsor a stand or advertisement, I wonder if some would find that an issue?

I wait, with baited breath, for the Church of England, or indeed any of them, to sponsor an advertising hoarding behind the goal at Villa park proclaiming "Jesus Saves"


oops ... sorry ted (Sm163)

 
vigorniensis
Re: Gloucester new stand name
vigorniensis (IP Logged)
18 July, 2017 13:36
Well said Southstand.

 
Moyles
Re: Gloucester new stand name
Moyles (IP Logged)
18 July, 2017 14:14
I was lucky enough to be a guest of Wonga in their box at Newcastle on several occasions - very splendid it was too.

As for naming rights for a stand/ stadium/ seat on the half way line - I am all for it as long as it brings revenue for the club and the money funding it isn't from illegal sources.

 
Little Mazda 3
Re: Gloucester new stand name
Jiving K Boots (IP Logged)
18 July, 2017 14:39
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Southstand(again)
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ROLLO
I am not sure that you get anywhere with banning things.
The test for me would be if a Christian Church decided to sponsor a stand or advertisement, I wonder if some would find that an issue?

I wait, with baited breath, for the Church of England, or indeed any of them, to sponsor an advertising hoarding behind the goal at Villa park proclaiming "Jesus Saves"


oops ... sorry ted (Sm163)

Don't apologise to Ted who, if he wasn't halfway up Kinder Scout, would have corrected 'baited' to 'bated'. Personally I would let it go.

 
Southstand(again)
Re: Gloucester new stand name
Southstand(again) (IP Logged)
18 July, 2017 14:49
Sally, having swallowed cheese
Directs down holes the scented breeze
Enticing thus with baited breath
Nice mice to an untimely death.


The bard may have used "bated" but JK rowling spells it "baited" and as everyone knows Harry potter has always been more popular than The Merchant of Venice so you are quite correct in "Letting it go" JKB.

 
Patgadd
Re: Gloucester new stand name
Patgadd (IP Logged)
18 July, 2017 14:52
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Southstand(again)
I wait, with bated breath, for the Church of England, or indeed any of them, to sponsor an advertising hoarding behind the goal at Villa park proclaiming "Jesus Saves"

Many years ago Everton had a striker called Jimmy Gabriel. Tee shirts were worn which said "Jesus saves" on the front, and "But Gabriel scores on the rebound" on the back.

 
Little Mazda 3
Re: Gloucester new stand name
Jiving K Boots (IP Logged)
18 July, 2017 14:59
Quote:
Southstand(again)
Sally, having swallowed cheese
Directs down holes the scented breeze
Enticing thus with baited breath
Nice mice to an untimely death.


The bard may have used "bated" but JK rowling spells it "baited" and as everyone knows Harry potter has always been more popular than The Merchant of Venice so you are quite correct in "Letting it go" JKB.

I think you'll find that JKR refers to bait on the mouse's breath (having swallowed cheese) and she is being deliberately clever with words. I'm sure that's what Ted would have said were he not halfway up Kinder Scout.

 
FlipFlop
Re: Gloucester new stand name
FlipFlop (IP Logged)
18 July, 2017 15:03
I guess it depends whether the club decides to take some form of moral stance with a naming rights partner, or take the money to contribute to the coffers.

Now, which do you think will prevail. Will supporters leave the club if the chosen partner doesn't fit with their personal beliefs?

Rollo, i think there are some who would take issue if the Church took out naming rights on a stand, just as they might have taken issue with other sponsors we have at present.

I guess it would not be easy to find a lucrative, but 'neutral' naming rights partner to adorn a stand or the stadium. I guess the North has been the Fragrance Mad stand and now the Loo San Stand without impacting to much on supporter sensitivities and beliefs, but i doubt they were very lucrative.

 
Southstand(again)
Re: Gloucester new stand name
Southstand(again) (IP Logged)
18 July, 2017 15:12
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Jiving K Boots
Quote:
Southstand(again)
Sally, having swallowed cheese
Directs down holes the scented breeze
Enticing thus with baited breath
Nice mice to an untimely death.


The bard may have used "bated" but JK rowling spells it "baited" and as everyone knows Harry potter has always been more popular than The Merchant of Venice so you are quite correct in "Letting it go" JKB.

I think you'll find that JKR refers to bait on the mouse's breath (having swallowed cheese) and she is being deliberately clever with words. I'm sure that's what Ted would have said were he not halfway up Kinder Scout.

JKB, I think you will find that the above is a poem by Geoffrey Taylor in which he makes fun of the pedantry surrounding the correct usage with an intentional spelling.

I'm afraid you will have to trawl through Harry Potter and the Philosopher's stone for her "Baited breath' usage.

Times have changed since the Melody Maker went out of print I'm afraid.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 18/07/2017 15:16 by Southstand(again).

 
Patgadd
Re: Gloucester new stand name
Patgadd (IP Logged)
18 July, 2017 15:19
He's not making fun, he's punning rather cleverly.

 
Southstand(again)
Re: Gloucester new stand name
Southstand(again) (IP Logged)
18 July, 2017 15:21
Just for you PatG 1966 cup final

 
Patgadd
Re: Gloucester new stand name
Patgadd (IP Logged)
18 July, 2017 15:39
Thanks SS; I was there!

 
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Re: Gloucester new stand name
Abberley (IP Logged)
18 July, 2017 15:46
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Southstand(again)
I'm afraid you will have to trawl through Harry Potter and the Philosopher's stone for her "Baited breath' usage.

A quick Google suggests it was in Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban.

As it only appears in the initial impression of the First Edition, and was corrected in subsequent impressions and editions, probably not intentional in JKR's case.

Page 198, Line 7 BAITED BREATH, CORRECTED TO BATED BREATH.

 
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Re: Gloucester new stand name
Fiver (IP Logged)
18 July, 2017 16:00
Do you think the "Ladbrooks Life" adverts would do so well if they showed the real life situation of the gambling addict rifling through the children's room looking for where the money granny gave their child for Christmas was stashed. I loathe gambling with a passion, but accept you cannot ban it. It's illegal in Thailand, a country that has more gambling than any other I've visited.

I'd much rather all clubs were ethical in their sponsorship. All companies are in it to make money, but I'd like a line to be drawn. I'd consider my st if the south stand was named after a gambling company.

 
Redditch Crowd
Re: Gloucester new stand name
Redditch Crowd (IP Logged)
18 July, 2017 17:15
No one has mentioned that Stowford Press are the 'Official Cider' of Gloucester Rugby Club - isn't that the same? and by 'the same', I mean it's a legal pastime, as is gambling...so it's fine by me.. we can't stop advertisers because a small minority of poor souls fall foul of addiction.. what next, ban car companies sponsoring ad breaks on Sky Sports cricket because they pollute the atmosphere? Stop DHL being a sponsor/supporter of rugby because they have huge planes circumnavigating the globe daily to deliver consumables to a demanding and polluting population..? There are side bars on the side of this forum from all manner of companies - I'm looking at a Sky 'Minnion' right now on the side bar of this website.. everyone happy with that..? No, I thought not, but that is the world we live in, so hey ho..... deep breath...move on...

 
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Re: Gloucester new stand name
TeflonTed (IP Logged)
18 July, 2017 19:15
My knees are too bloody sore to argue.

 
Little Mazda 3
Re: Gloucester new stand name
Jiving K Boots (IP Logged)
18 July, 2017 20:36
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TeflonTed
My knees are too bloody sore to argue.

Why...what have you and Mrs Ted been up to?

 
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Re: Gloucester new stand name
TeflonTed (IP Logged)
18 July, 2017 21:46
What she's been up to I have no idea.

I'm in Alrewas having been up and down Kinder Scout today, 9.5 miles with more ups and downs than a who res drawers.

 
ROLLO on tour
Re: Gloucester new stand name
ROLLO (IP Logged)
18 July, 2017 22:50
I am in Alrewas tomorrow, is the Crown still open?

 
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Re: Gloucester new stand name
TeflonTed (IP Logged)
18 July, 2017 23:34
Yes, relaunched yet again! I've just left it 5 minutes ago.

 
worcestawarrior
Re: Gloucester new stand name
worcestawarrior (IP Logged)
19 July, 2017 20:40
No issues well done Gloucester. Not quite as good as having a Casino within your complex though.

 
Patgadd
Re: Gloucester new stand name
Patgadd (IP Logged)
20 July, 2017 10:19
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TVM Rides Again

Given these restrictions on other advertising I am not sure why we have gambling adverts with such normalising behaviour, everyone winning all the time and then mumbling 'when the fun stops stop' quickly at the end......

I've held back from commenting on this for a reason. The Bishop of Somewhereorother was on Thought For The Day once. He started by saying "I don't smoke, I don't drink and I don't do the National Lottery" and went on to list other ways on which he was a smug git. Now, I have committed most sins known to man during my life, and therefore can make no claim to the high moral ground. Those of you who have retired, however, will be familiar with the relentless daytime television adverts promoting gambling, punctuated by others extolling the virtues of short term loans, presumably to ease your gambling debts.

I think it's fair to say that, apart from smoking (which can't be advertised anyway), three of the most insidious cancers in society are alcohol, gambling and loansharking. The drinks industry is forced by law not to go over the top, so sponsorship by a brewer or distiller wouldn't bother me. I would, though, be very sad to see one of the other two sponsoring a stand at Sixways, never mind the entire stadium. Double standards? Perhaps, but a line has to be drawn somewhere, and for me that's where it is.

P.S. Would it stop me going to the matches? Probably not, but possibly yes.

 
Southstand(again)
Re: Gloucester new stand name
Southstand(again) (IP Logged)
20 July, 2017 11:12
I suppose it really depends whether you adhere to the Victorian philosophy of "The Great unwashed" needing protecting from themselves.

I've always been driven by the concept of freedom for the individual and personal choice as long as it remains within the framework of the law. As such, the thought any Government or other body making moral or ethical decisions on my behalf doesn't sit right.

So would I welcome any sponsor at Sixways ?

Anyone who witnessed my "Hissy fit" a few months back knows I'm not a fan of vacuum cleaners but the thing that would probably have me closest to buying a season ticket elsewhere would be Sixways becoming part of the Mike Ashley empire together with the accompanying Nanny state products appearing in the club shop.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 20/07/2017 11:13 by Southstand(again).

 
Redditch Crowd
Re: Gloucester new stand name
Redditch Crowd (IP Logged)
21 July, 2017 10:00
....and the internet is too clever for our own good - the sidebars now displaying a non alcoholic beer wobbling in an enticing way.........presumably on the basis that Mike Ashley was mentioned in the text and it's the antidote to booze-fuelled deal making in West end pubs.... Just saying.....

 
GlawsyD
Re: Gloucester new stand name
GlawsyD (IP Logged)
21 July, 2017 10:02
Just to add to the 'moral' thinking on this board, you should now note that Gloucester have also 'sold' the Shed's soul to Green King.



He sent his men all over England into every shire..William I Christmas 1085 Gloucester.

 
FlipFlop
Re: Gloucester new stand name
FlipFlop (IP Logged)
21 July, 2017 16:57
All ready sold our soul to that one GlawsyD

 
Big T 15
Re: Gloucester new stand name
Big T 15 (IP Logged)
22 July, 2017 10:00
Kind of linked... I see William Hill are offering 16/1 for us to finish in the top 6...

 
FlipFlop
Re: Gloucester new stand name
FlipFlop (IP Logged)
22 July, 2017 16:00
Odds a bit short for that event imo. 30's might have had me looking at that a bit closer.


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