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WorcesterSauce
Injuries
WorcesterSauce (IP Logged)
12 August, 2017 17:47
A lot of them including Mama out for the season (apparently.

 
usa warrior
Re: Injuries
usa warrior (IP Logged)
12 August, 2017 18:03
Is ACL a season long injury?

 
Patgadd
Re: Injuries
Patgadd (IP Logged)
12 August, 2017 18:10
Apparently David Denton's injury was in the ICL rather than ACL area, though it's not clear yet what the injury is. Scan Monday.

 
MSR-Worcester
Re: Injuries
MSR-Worcester (IP Logged)
12 August, 2017 18:12
I count Denton, Kerrod, Baldwin and Potgieter. Waller and Schonert also pulled out before the game.

 
FlipFlop
Re: Injuries
FlipFlop (IP Logged)
12 August, 2017 20:50
Not good news. Last years fitness team got some criticism for the injuries early doors. Seems many players have bulked up. Hopefully this situation won't get worse.

 
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Re: Injuries
TeflonTed (IP Logged)
12 August, 2017 21:32
Denton was the quickest injury ever, although the clock stopped at 48 sec, he was down well before that, and he knew he'd done something serious, he was thumping the ground in frustration.

As has been said, he told enquirers that it was a suspected ICL, but will be scanned on Monday.

Let's hope the initial diagnosis is over-cautious.

 
usa warrior
Re: Injuries
usa warrior (IP Logged)
12 August, 2017 21:37
Yup, even beat Ezra Taylor - and that's going some!

 
MSR-Worcester
Re: Injuries
MSR-Worcester (IP Logged)
14 August, 2017 10:11
So walking wounded:
David Denton - ICL, unknown
Simon Kerrod - Groin, unknown
Luke Baldwin - Arm, unknown
Dewald Potgieter - Knee, unknown
Ryan Mills - Hip/shoulder, 4/5 weeks
Niall Annett - Hamstring, 3 weeks
Marco Mama - ACL, potentially season

Injury clouds:
Nick Schonert?
Will Spencer?
Ethan Waller? - Small knock
Perry Humphreys?
Chris Pennell? - Calf, 2 weeks
Michael Dowsett?
Alafoti Fa’osiliva?
Max Stelling? - 8 weeks out
Carl Kirwan? - Unknown shoulder injury
Gareth Milasinovich? - 1 week out



Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 17/08/2017 13:31 by MSR-Worcester.

 
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Re: Injuries
Powick Eastander (IP Logged)
14 August, 2017 10:48
It is a long list (Sm54)



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Re: Injuries
Faithful_City (IP Logged)
14 August, 2017 10:52
Start of the season, one warmup game down and already we are missing all these injured players, unbelievable!!!

JP

 
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Re: Injuries
Powick Eastander (IP Logged)
14 August, 2017 11:20
Can't wrap them in cotton wool, mores the pity



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Southstand(again)
Re: Injuries
Southstand(again) (IP Logged)
14 August, 2017 12:00
One of the problems I see with players "Bulking up" is a potential for increased lower limb injuries.

If you look at videos, Denton, in particular, has a far different profile to the player who was outstanding for Scotland. I think players sometimes need protecting from themselves.

Big isn't always "Better" particularly on our surface.

 
FlipFlop
Re: Injuries
FlipFlop (IP Logged)
14 August, 2017 13:00
I'm no Sports Scientist, but surely bulking up quickly via weights and permitted supplements puts too much strain on the tendons, muscles and bones that need to carry this stuff at increasingly high tempo, into more frequent and higher impact collisions.

Not doubting we perhaps needed to do this as we weren't the weightiest of sides, but to try and do it in one close season, may be a factor in the latest injury news.

 
MSR-Worcester
Re: Injuries
MSR-Worcester (IP Logged)
14 August, 2017 13:35
Quote:
Carl Hogg
“Some people were taken off as a precaution but others might be a bit more serious,”

“But we have got to assess them.

In pre-season games you tend to take one or two more bumps than you would normally do as your body naturally toughens up to the contact and collisions in the game.

“They are reasonably sore at the moment but until we get them assessed properly we don’t know what we are dealing with.”

“There are concerns having had people come off.

“But some of them were precautionary as you don’t need to risk players staying out there too long in a pre-season game.

“We will get them in and assess them later and see where they sit.

“We had an opportunity with 34 players to chop and change but I think first and foremost it was about getting out there and seeing how physical we were as a group from one to 15 across both sides which will stand us in good stead.”

I think this may clarify a few things, seems as if Hogg does not think the injuries are as serious as they may have appeared.

 
A38
Re: Injuries
A38 (IP Logged)
14 August, 2017 13:58
Some (limited) information here:-
[www.worcesternews.co.uk]

But more (information?) to follow the article says.

 
w4rriorz1980
Re: Injuries
w4rriorz1980 (IP Logged)
14 August, 2017 16:09
Quote:
MSR-Worcester
Quote:
Carl Hogg
“Some people were taken off as a precaution but others might be a bit more serious,”

“But we have got to assess them.

In pre-season games you tend to take one or two more bumps than you would normally do as your body naturally toughens up to the contact and collisions in the game.

“They are reasonably sore at the moment but until we get them assessed properly we don’t know what we are dealing with.”

“There are concerns having had people come off.

“But some of them were precautionary as you don’t need to risk players staying out there too long in a pre-season game.

“We will get them in and assess them later and see where they sit.

“We had an opportunity with 34 players to chop and change but I think first and foremost it was about getting out there and seeing how physical we were as a group from one to 15 across both sides which will stand us in good stead.”

I think this may clarify a few things, seems as if Hogg does not think the injuries are as serious as they may have appeared.
Apart from Denton maybe.Think it's serious.

 
woodywuss
Re: Injuries
woodywuss (IP Logged)
14 August, 2017 21:15
Sitting on the west side on Saturday it was interesting to see the studs being used in some of the boots the players were wearing. Over the years playing both football ang rugby on grass,Astro and indoor I have amassed quite a collection of different footwear. Looking at the length of stud and possibly 5 in the forefoot,is it possible that these are contributing to rotational injuries? Are they becoming less free to move in the fibres of an artificial surface? I understand that forwards need as much traction as possible whilst the backs a lesser length stud but still need grip. AstroTurf boots and blades seem to have been tried with little success.
Recently,Rugby World,ran an ad. from a well known boot company showing a style of boot that finishes well above the ankle. Fad or well researched? Nike produce a boot with a sleeve surrounding the ankle.
I think boot research is genuine,but there is still some way to go in understanding how the forces of an artificial pitch affect sportsmen,especially with pitches being far removed from earlier versions and still being developed and improved.
I also feel lower body bulking up has a fine margin between use and hindrance.I posted on another thread that the injuries that Manu Tuilagi has sustained may be down to his lower body physique.
Injuries happen. Arsenal and Newcastle United seem to have understood and lowered their injury stats. Rugby is way more complex and I only hope fate deals us a better hand than last season.

 
Underdog
Re: Injuries
Underdog (IP Logged)
14 August, 2017 21:27
Two things:

Firstly, we need to remember that the injury crisis of last season uncovered a few gems in the academy lads. This could offer a similar chance to the likes of Huw Taylor or Tom Dodd. It's a gamble, yes, but they've got to go in the deep end at some point.

Secondly, I don't think we can underestimate how much the injury crisis was exacerbated by the Dean Ryan shenanigans. This time round, the whole squad has been overlooked by Gold and Omar for a whole preseason. We have to expect that Omar has created a defensive system that the whole squad can slot into, and Gold has communicated his overall strategies to everyone. We're paying those two big bucks and this is when they earn it. I've got faith they'll do so.

 
MSR-Worcester
Re: Injuries
MSR-Worcester (IP Logged)
15 August, 2017 12:08
Quote:
MSR-Worcester
So walking wounded:
David Denton - ICL, unknown
Simon Kerrod - Groin, unknown
Luke Baldwin - Arm, unknown
Dewald Potgieter - Knee, unknown
Ryan Mills - Hip/shoulder, 4/5 weeks
Niall Annett - Hamstring, 3 weeks
Marco Mama - ACL, potentially season

Injury clouds:
Nick Schonert?
Will Spencer?
Ethan Waller? - Small knock
Perry Humphreys?
Chris Pennell? - Calf, 2 weeks
Michael Dowsett?
Alafoti Fa’osiliva?
Max Stelling? - 8 weeks out
Carl Kirwan? - Unknown shoulder injury
Gareth Milasinovich? - 1 week out

Updated from news sources

 
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Re: Injuries
West Brom Warrior (IP Logged)
15 August, 2017 12:26
If Mama has done his ACL then it is 20 weeks before he starts functional training again in reality. If Denton has an LCL then it is anything up to 10 weeks before functional training can start.

Not good to have our ball carrying back rowers out for a decent period of time

 
w4rriorz1980
Re: Injuries
w4rriorz1980 (IP Logged)
15 August, 2017 16:36
Wonder if we'll get more players in now? Can't be that many available surely? SH players? The decent ones will now be playing the Rugby Championship as of this weekend.

 
MSR-Worcester
Re: Injuries
MSR-Worcester (IP Logged)
15 August, 2017 16:53
I would say a backrow signing would be necessary, particularly if Denton's/Mama's injuries are as serious as feared! Could also be light at prop if the four named above don't recover.

 
dkexile
Re: Injuries
dkexile (IP Logged)
16 August, 2017 10:49
I've been away for a week, can anyone tell me what happened to mama? I can't find any news on it bar this thread, was it a training injury?

Denton and kerrod went off in the match didn't they? Denton looking bad, how about kerrod?

I need to know how much to panic at this point

 
MSR-Worcester
Re: Injuries
MSR-Worcester (IP Logged)
16 August, 2017 10:59
Mama was walking around the stadium in a boot with crutches, some whisperings seemed to suggest a season ending ACL injury but nothing has been confirmed.

Denton looked serious, punching the pitch in anger. LCL or ICL? A few months at least.

Kerrod seemed to clutch his groin but tweets seem to suggest its not too bad. Maybe a few weeks?

 
dkexile
Re: Injuries
dkexile (IP Logged)
16 August, 2017 12:33
Thanks msr.
That's a real shame about Mama, I might be alone but I think he impressed me more than anyone else in our backrow last season.
Was hoping he'd have an injury free season.

 
Underdog
Re: Injuries
Underdog (IP Logged)
16 August, 2017 14:46
You're not alone DK. He was great in my opinion and I was looking forward to seeing him. I think because he's not a giant* he isn't man marked as much as bigger players which allows him to use his fend and acceleration to make breaks.

*compared to other rugby players, not weedy forum users like me.

 
worcestawarrior
Re: Injuries
worcestawarrior (IP Logged)
16 August, 2017 16:21
Quote "Mama was walking around the stadium in a boot with crutches, some whisperings seemed to suggest a season ending ACL injury but nothing has been confirmed".

I also saw Mama with a boot on and crutches, Although not a medical expert, however, one who had his ACL removed I would suggest that a boot and ACL don't ring true (ACL Knee Boot ankle lower leg).

MHO(Sm63) if correct not a season out but still missing.

 
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Re: Injuries
Faithful_City (IP Logged)
16 August, 2017 19:17
ACL removed???

The repair your ACL as without you would never have a stable knee joint.

JP

 
centrethere
Re: Injuries
centrethere (IP Logged)
16 August, 2017 19:59
ACLs are reconstructed from other parts of your body and screwed into place where the old one was

 
worcestawarrior
Re: Injuries
worcestawarrior (IP Logged)
16 August, 2017 20:58
Quote:
Faithful_City
ACL removed???
The repair your ACL as without you would never have a stable knee joint.

JP
Bucket handle tear in the 70s ACL removal early 80s you can cope without an ACL .

 
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Re: Injuries
Faithful_City (IP Logged)
16 August, 2017 21:13
Bucket handle tear sounds like a meniscus.

ACL damage and correction

JP

 
Dutch01527
Re: Injuries
Dutch01527 (IP Logged)
16 August, 2017 22:48
I think that there is a real issue with modern rugby that will mean that there will always be a massive injury list.

In the pre professional era rugby players were physically suited to their positions. Top level forwards were naturally born big, backs were light but fast and skilful.

Now they all carry 2 to 4 stones of gym developed muscle. I played against, for example, Wade Dooley, Dean Richards and Mike Teague. They were huge, naturally big men.

In the modern game the players are athletes, bulked up to perform at previously unheard of levels. I have met Maro Itogi, Matt Mullen, Pat Sanderson and others who are naturally 14 stones or less guys who carry an extra 3 or 4 stone of muscle. They are much better players but their ligaments, joints ect are not suited to carry that weight hence the injuries.

The exception are the Pacific Islanders such as Dave or Aleki who are naturally huge.

 
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Re: Injuries
Faithful_City (IP Logged)
17 August, 2017 09:02
Dutch, I think you make a very valid point.

JP

 
dkexile
Re: Injuries
dkexile (IP Logged)
17 August, 2017 10:50
Good post Dutch. I really think the only option is to stop the clock every time play stops, such as scrum lineout etc so that matches are longer so players can't carry so much muscle if they're to last

 
worcestawarrior
Re: Injuries
worcestawarrior (IP Logged)
17 August, 2017 13:39
Dutch, I agree with what is said but there is also more science behind the training and performance of top athletes in todays sport compared with yesteryear.

 
WorcesterSauce
Re: Injuries
WorcesterSauce (IP Logged)
18 August, 2017 10:11
Baldwin's gone under the knife so imagine its a long lay off for him

 
usa warrior
Re: Injuries
usa warrior (IP Logged)
18 August, 2017 10:26
Anyone else catch Dentons inclusion as an injured part of the Scotland training squad? Hopefully a sign he's not too bad.

 
dkexile
Re: Injuries
dkexile (IP Logged)
18 August, 2017 10:54
Wasn't Baldwin meant to be in great shape too? I might not have been excited by stringer signing but I'm certainly glad he's here.
Hadn't noticed that about Denton, thanks for mentioning it USA, as you say, hopefully good news, we certainly could do with some on the injury front, my positivity is rapidly erroding, wasn't expecting that to happen before the season started.

 
usa warrior
Re: Injuries
usa warrior (IP Logged)
18 August, 2017 10:55
Pic of Baldwin after bicep surgery yesterday so at least a couple months I'd have thought.

 
w4rriorz1980
Re: Injuries
w4rriorz1980 (IP Logged)
18 August, 2017 11:54
Quote:
usa warrior
Anyone else catch Dentons inclusion as an injured part of the Scotland training squad? Hopefully a sign he's not too bad.
Interesting


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