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DoR for next season
wusstawizard (IP Logged)
13 September, 2017 20:59
Assuming GG isn't sticking around beyond this season, I can't help but feel we need to have his replacement signed up and announced by Christmas.

Getting this all sorted early will give everyone involved much-needed peace of mind, and the new DoR can be heavily involved in the recruitment process.

Unfortunately we may need to be advertising the club to players who are willing to spend a season in the Championship...

 
Brummagem Bertie
Re: DoR for next season
Brummagem Bertie (IP Logged)
13 September, 2017 22:30
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wusstawizard
Assuming GG isn't sticking around beyond this season, ...

That's a rather large assumption.

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wusstawizard
Unfortunately we may need to be advertising the club to players who are willing to spend a season in the Championship...

There are still 22 rounds to go. Could we at least wait until the New Year before we write ourselves off completely? (Sm16)



Whatever you do, do it safely!

 
Merlot Wasp
Re: DoR for next season
14 September, 2017 05:09
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Brummagem Bertie
There are still 22 rounds to go

Only for the two teams which will be contesting the final. 21 for the losing semi-finalists, 20 for the other eight sides.

 
Warr-i-ors!
Re: DoR for next season
Warr-i-ors! (IP Logged)
14 September, 2017 05:57
22 then.

 
TVM Rides Again....Again
Re: DoR for next season
TVM Rides Again (IP Logged)
14 September, 2017 07:29
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wusstawizard

Unfortunately we may need to be advertising the club to players who are willing to spend a season in the Championship...


This place has always been useful in a crisis smiling smiley

 
FlipFlop
Re: DoR for next season
FlipFlop (IP Logged)
14 September, 2017 08:18
I think GG has only committed to this season IIRC press news in early close season due to family back home. It may be that EG was also a deciding factor in this commitment too and he is no longer on site. I guess unless we go on a surprising winning streak to get us in the top half of the league, this may help make the decision more difficult for him, but otherwise, i think we might reasonably expect that GG will be moving on.

 
Brummagem Bertie
Re: DoR for next season
Brummagem Bertie (IP Logged)
14 September, 2017 10:27
Sorry, did mean to say 20 rounds - blame it on the hour.

GG has only signed a contract for this season, but that was on the basis that was all he could commit to at that time. I did see an interview with him where he said he enjoyed it over here but it all hinged on his sons' schooling.

I've gotten the impression from a number of things he's said at different times that that's also the only reason that his wife is still in SA: if they could work out a solution to that and the timing worked, in terms of school years and exams, the whole family might come over.

After all, with the number of South Africans over here, not just at Worcester, he's never far from a braai.



Whatever you do, do it safely!

 
MESSAGES->author
Re: DoR for next season
Abberley (IP Logged)
14 September, 2017 11:52
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Brummagem Bertie
...he's never far from a braai.

...and Checketts have been producing excellent boerewors since 1975 from a recipe smuggled out of Northern Rhodesia by Mrs A.

 
ROLLO on tour
Re: DoR for next season
ROLLO (IP Logged)
14 September, 2017 14:58
I have a feeling that it may all depend upon what happens with EG and where we are next season. Whatever is said there is a fair amount of anxiety around Sixways at present.

 
Underdog
Re: DoR for next season
Underdog (IP Logged)
14 September, 2017 20:29
I agree Rollo. I'm much more anxious and pessimistic about the season ahead of us than I've ever been before.

You have to say, for all the off field stuff that may or may not be as bad as some of us think, a few wins would settle the nerves perfectly.

 
Brummagem Bertie
Re: DoR for next season
Brummagem Bertie (IP Logged)
15 September, 2017 10:57
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ROLLO
I have a feeling that it may all depend upon what happens with EG and where we are next season. Whatever is said there is a fair amount of anxiety around Sixways at present.

A little bit intrigued by your comment, ROLLO.

When you refer to anxiety around Sixways do you mean amongst the supporters, or the players and staff, or both? If it includes the players and staff is this based on personal conversations or third party reports?

Or is it just your general impression/thoughts/opinion?

Not being confrontational, just interested in the detail.



Whatever you do, do it safely!

 
ROLLO on tour
Re: DoR for next season
ROLLO (IP Logged)
15 September, 2017 11:32
BB a conversation with someone who should know in relation to the thread title.

 
MESSAGES->author
Re: DoR for next season
Powick Eastander (IP Logged)
15 September, 2017 11:39
Rollo then that is quite worrying.. Wasn't hopeful for this season now not at all hopeful about remaining in the Prem.



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MESSAGES->author
Re: DoR for next season
Faithful_City (IP Logged)
15 September, 2017 11:49
The question may be, "is EG still working on a consortium to take over the club?"

I am not sure if that is what would be best. If it is taken over and stays then good thing however if it moves absolutely not.

JP

 
ROLLO on tour
Re: DoR for next season
ROLLO (IP Logged)
15 September, 2017 11:58
Please note I used my words carefully ( as I always try to do ) I said a fair amount, not a lot or a huge amount , I perhaps could have said some. At present the news coming out of the club is little and I can understand that. What will be important is how the information is filtered through to those inside the club - but we all know that anyway.

 
jhmosso
Re: DoR for next season
Spa eaststander (IP Logged)
16 September, 2017 13:54
If we need a new DOR then we should get someone who has something to prove not just a big name. After all,Rob Baxter had little experience when appointed at Exeter. Jim Mallender started the climb at Saints after being sacked by Sale. Someone looking to develop his career is what we need!

 
usa warrior
Re: DoR for next season
usa warrior (IP Logged)
16 September, 2017 18:01
Been mentioned before, but we could do worse than Vesty I feel. Give him a shot and allow him to build a group of young players and coaches around him for a couple of years.

Agree that GG will be off at the end of the season as well.

 
A38
Re: DoR for next season
A38 (IP Logged)
16 September, 2017 18:13
We could do a great deal worse.

 
Brummagem Bertie
Re: DoR for next season
Brummagem Bertie (IP Logged)
21 September, 2017 15:21
Thanks ROLLO.

If we do need a new DoR for next season it seems to me we have 2 choices:

1. Bring in someone from outside - that doesn't do a lot for the continuity that seems to be necessary for success, e.g. Saints, Harlequins, Exe;

2. Promote from within - i.e. Hogg to DoR, Vesty/Cross to Head Coach, with other promotions and bringing in someone lower down the tree. That would have the advantage of continuity because I would imagine that Hogg and the other coaches would be more likely to keep a similar approach to Gold, so not a completely new set of ideas for the players to get used to.



Whatever you do, do it safely!

 
w4rriorz1980
Re: DoR for next season
w4rriorz1980 (IP Logged)
21 September, 2017 17:39
Could be wrong and I hope I am but if Hogg is promoted to DoR I don't think it'll work out.He's a head coach not a DoR.IMHO.

 
Brummagem Bertie
Re: DoR for next season
Brummagem Bertie (IP Logged)
21 September, 2017 18:01
You may be right but if that is the case then we need to find someone who has a similar mindset and approach to Gold or be prepared to accept that we might be starting from scratch all over again, especially if we also get new owners.

If you look at the likes of Quins, Saints and Exe, what has underpinned their success since being promoted from ND1/the Championship is continuity: primarily the man at the top and at 10. One of the things that made DR's proposition attractive, both to the club and many supporters, was that he offered us the first of those AND the owners and Board bought into it.

I wonder how much of the decision of the Allens to seek other investors/a buyer for the whole club, is down to DR leaving half-way through, the negative impact of that, and becoming disillusioned with the project/task of building a successful team?



Whatever you do, do it safely!

 
usa warrior
Re: DoR for next season
usa warrior (IP Logged)
21 September, 2017 19:29
A lot will depend on who the new owners are. If Edward Griffiths comes in, for instance, I feel that GG will be much more likely to stay on. Until we have some certainty at the top then it will be very difficult to predict things further down the chain.

 
BrumBrum
Re: DoR for next season
BrumBrum (IP Logged)
22 September, 2017 06:53
Will be interesting.
In my view, the new owners would want a Wow signing be that new DOR or player.
Crowds are currently under 9,000. That needs to rise to at least 11,000.
A few good results will do that, but a major signing would help a lot.

I just want the takeover or additional investment to happen as soon as possible.
Uncertainty causes people half empty rather than half full.
To me, if you want to support a club like Warriors, you need to be half full.
When were are half empty we just don't turn up, moan about everything and see doom and gloom in ever announcement.

 
MESSAGES->author
Re: DoR for next season
Fiver (IP Logged)
22 September, 2017 07:01
I'm pretty sure GG came to Warriors because of EG, and maybe the one year contract was due to the uncertainty of EG et al buying the club. The noises coming from GG seem to suggest he wants EG at the club and if so we'll get Elton Jantjies.

If EG doesn't get the club, then who knows where we'll end up.

As for coach development, has Simon Cross been sent to Moseley to learn the skills necessary to become a DoR? He's still on our books as breakdown coach after all.

 
Whispering_Death
Re: DoR for next season
Whispering_Death (IP Logged)
22 September, 2017 07:12
Or to be more precise under 8k. We sold out the last few games last year so we don't need a star signing to do that in my view. Pre season and the Newcastle performance has affected attendance in my view. Many would have thought here we go again, I'll spend my cash on something more enjoyable for now. If the team starts competing the crowds will pick up.

 
Turv32
Re: DoR for next season
Turv32 (IP Logged)
22 September, 2017 07:44
I also think whispering death that Fridays don't help.
A lot do struggle and not able to make it.
Saturdays are far more family friendly in that respect

 
usa warrior
Re: DoR for next season
usa warrior (IP Logged)
22 September, 2017 08:06
Friday nights were once almost a guaranteed sell out. Winning, or at least competitive, rugby is all we need.

 
gmem
Re: DoR for next season
Garym (IP Logged)
22 September, 2017 08:16
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usa warrior
Friday nights were once almost a guaranteed sell out. Winning, or at least competitive, rugby is all we need.

Would be interested to see the gates for a Friday and how many of them were actual sellouts

 
Whispering_Death
Re: DoR for next season
Whispering_Death (IP Logged)
22 September, 2017 12:41
You could be right but I don't think there are 4,000 fans who can't make Fridays. The one home game being on TV may not have helped also. Whatever the reasons the gates have been pretty shocking so far

 
Brummagem Bertie
Re: DoR for next season
Brummagem Bertie (IP Logged)
22 September, 2017 13:45
I think Fiver and usa could be right about the mood music surrounding GG's future at the club.

As for Simon Cross, his stint at Mose is undoubtedly a development move for him but I would have thought more with Head Coach in mind, rather than DoR, rather like Hogg is now. That's why I floated the possibility of promotion from within.

Hogg struggled last season in part because he was still effectively Head Coach, as well as taking on a lot of the DoR responsibilities, as far as the players were concerned.

I do wonder whether Gold is mentoring Hogg in how to be a DoR, with a view to him taking over if Gary does leave at the end of this season, but with someone else taking over as Head Coach so that Hogg isn't spread too thinly and the coaching side doesn't suffer?



Whatever you do, do it safely!

 
FlipFlop
Re: DoR for next season
FlipFlop (IP Logged)
22 September, 2017 14:01
WD

" Whatever the reasons the gates have been pretty shocking so far".


Shocking when considering we have leaked 100 points, not exceeded 10 points in a game, bottom of the table and narrowly staying up last season?

Against that back drop, think the attendance is good. Even with that start, i doubt our attendance is the lowest average in the league. If i took a punt i would suggest Sale and Falcons are already currently below us, and that after their start to the season.

We'd all like to see 10- 12k at each home game, but the smell of victory is needed, then folk will come. Whether it's a Fantastic Friday or a Super Saturday matters not- only the result can make the day.


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