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Full vs Part Time
usa warrior (IP Logged)
04 December, 2017 22:03
Seems more of the Champ teams are going part time to cut costs.

[www.theguardian.com]

In effect, are we not getting close to justifying ring fencing simply due to these sorts of things being necessary and preferred, it seems?



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 04/12/2017 22:04 by usa warrior.

 
w4rriorz1980
Re: Full vs Part Time
w4rriorz1980 (IP Logged)
05 December, 2017 07:08
Disgrace!
In layman's terms we are the richest rugby union in the world.
France have a fully professional 2nd tier (pro D2).
Why can't we?

 
vigorniensis
Re: Full vs Part Time
vigorniensis (IP Logged)
05 December, 2017 08:09
Quote:
w4rriorz1980
Disgrace!
In layman's terms we are the richest rugby union in the world.
France have a fully professional 2nd tier (pro D2).
Why can't we?

I think the answer is quite simple. Few of the major sporting associations are actually run for the good of the whole of their sport. [In tennis, for example, where precious little of the money reaches any further down than the 'top table', with their all expenses paid trips to the likes of the Australian and US Open for the "blazers".]

Perhaps there needs to be an injection of a more democratic process within the RFU with every player and club official having a vote on the funding, and, in particular, far less concentration of television money within the Premiership clubs. Maybe we might then see some improvements.

 
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Re: Full vs Part Time
Fiver (IP Logged)
05 December, 2017 09:01
I went to a D2 game in France earlier this year. I'm not sure what the attendance was, but suffice to say it was more like a premiership size than a championship size. That is why the championship isn't viable, not enough people want to watch it and spend money on it.

 
w4rriorz1980
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w4rriorz1980 (IP Logged)
05 December, 2017 09:10
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Fiver
I went to a D2 game in France earlier this year. I'm not sure what the attendance was, but suffice to say it was more like a premiership size than a championship size. That is why the championship isn't viable, not enough people want to watch it and spend money on it.
Probably been discussed before but how would you propose increasing Championship attendances?

 
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Re: Full vs Part Time
West Brom Warrior (IP Logged)
05 December, 2017 09:51
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w4rriorz1980
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Fiver
I went to a D2 game in France earlier this year. I'm not sure what the attendance was, but suffice to say it was more like a premiership size than a championship size. That is why the championship isn't viable, not enough people want to watch it and spend money on it.
Probably been discussed before but how would you propose increasing Championship attendances?

Have to turn rugby into a mainstream sport for that. Rugby in the UK is a minority sport so unless the RFU grows interest in the sport then it won’t change by much.

 
WorcesterSauce
Re: Full vs Part Time
WorcesterSauce (IP Logged)
05 December, 2017 11:10
Is the second tier in Rugby League professional? If they can afford it, so can we.... surely?

 
TVM Rides Again....Again
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TVM Rides Again (IP Logged)
05 December, 2017 11:15
Another thing that France has is....and I can imagine having to put my tin hat on here......socialism.

Sort of.

A french club's overheads are often lower as many play in Municiple Stadia, funded and owned by the community. I am not sure on what basis though.

I know owning your own stadium gives you the ability to use it for functions and what not, however most clubs aren't brilliant at that anyway. I'd like to know what sort of money Worcester make, because in my experience if you want to make money by hiring out accommodation of any sort, you need it constantly full for it to be profitable.

 
gmem
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Garym (IP Logged)
05 December, 2017 11:48
Courtesy of our friend Wikipedia, while not up-to date in all cases, some idea of the average attendances of the various union and league competitions.

Interesting to note that the second division of all the competitions get almost nobody watching them!


NRL Rugby league Australia (1 club in New Zealand) 2016 16,063
Super League Rugby league England (1 club in France) 2017 8,568
Championship Rugby league England 2015 12 2,046

Top 14 Rugby union France 2015–16 13,798
Rugby Pro D2 Rugby union France 2014–15 1,779

Aviva Premiership Rugby union England 2015–16 13,500
RFU Championship Rugby union England 2014–15 2,738

Pro14 Ireland/Italy/Scotland/Wales[58] 2015–16 8,789

 
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Re: Full vs Part Time
Fiver (IP Logged)
05 December, 2017 17:15
I'm surprised by the low average for D2. The game I watched had around 6-7000 people there, including Huw Taylor's brother Ed (nice fellow from the brief chat we had).

 
WorcesterSauce
Re: Full vs Part Time
WorcesterSauce (IP Logged)
05 December, 2017 17:23
Yeh think those figures above must be wrong, D2 get pretty decent attendances

 
gmem
Re: Full vs Part Time
Garym (IP Logged)
05 December, 2017 20:44
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WorcesterSauce
Yeh think those figures above must be wrong, D2 get pretty decent attendances

As I said from Wikipedia, so who knows. Be nice to see other stats rather than gut feel, but I struggled to find anything more recent. One match can slew attendances, if you only saw the Big Match at twickers you would think all premiership games get 80k



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Re: Full vs Part Time
TeflonTed (IP Logged)
05 December, 2017 23:43
Gary, I had a good look around the Ligue Nationale de Rugby website, and several of the Stade Municipal sites.

Lots of good stats.....but nothing about attendances.

Strange, but somehow Gallic!

 
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Re: Full vs Part Time
Fiver (IP Logged)
06 December, 2017 07:22
I had a look for the attendance figure for the game I watched. Nothing at all on Google. Out of interest, the game I saw was not considered a local derby even though the club's were not far apart. Most of the teams are concentrated in one pocket of France that's pretty rugby mad.

 
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TeflonTed (IP Logged)
06 December, 2017 09:20
Not my impression Fiver, somewhere in my search wanderings I found a map of France with the D2 teams pinned, and thought they were more evenly distributed than the Top 14, although still concentrated in the East and South, there were a sprinkling of pins in the centre.

Where I found that map remains a bit of a mystery....and Mrs Ted has today’s job list firmly in her head. She never writes it down since then I might have a realistic chance of actually completing it.

 
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Abberley (IP Logged)
06 December, 2017 10:15
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TeflonTed

I found a map of France...


Now there's a euphemism I haven't heard since 'O' Level French many moons ago winking smiley

 
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Re: Full vs Part Time
TeflonTed (IP Logged)
06 December, 2017 10:48
It’s particularly pleasant down around Marseille.

 
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Re: Full vs Part Time
Fiver (IP Logged)
07 December, 2017 08:19
I found a similar map to Ted which had all of the teams spread across the southern edge except for Massey, but that was the 2014/15 season. Currently 9 of the 16 teams are south of Montauban, which is pretty far south.

Most French stadium, it would seem, don't bother with attendance figures, although Perpignon do and regularly get over 10,000 at their games. There are several premiership clubs who could only dream of this.

 
kiermac
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St. Placide (IP Logged)
12 December, 2017 15:30
Lurker here......The average attendance at a Pro D2 game was approximately 4400 last season, which is a decline of 200 compared to the previous year. Some clubs, such as those already mentioned, attract much larger attendances while others, such as Massy or Dax, live on less that 2500. Pro D2 has a TV deal and games are shown live on TV.

In the thrid tier, Federale 1 Elite, some of the clubs are also full-time. It also has a TV deal.

 
MESSAGES->author
Re: Full vs Part Time
TeflonTed (IP Logged)
12 December, 2017 18:46
Well thanks St P.

We could do with more Lurkers going active on here.

 
Brummagem Bertie
Re: Full vs Part Time
Brummagem Bertie (IP Logged)
12 December, 2017 19:26
For me, the key to why ProD2 prospers in a way that the Championship doesn't is the fact that the former has a TV deal whilst the latter has a couple of games on Sky.

If more people were exposed to what was on offer at their local club, they might be more inclined to go to watch it live. It would almost certainly increase commercial and sponsorship income for Championship clubs and with the TV money would go some way to making the clubs more sustainable as professional entities.

But the RFU are in charge, so it will never happen because they just aren't interested.



Whatever you do, do it safely!

 
neiljk
Re: Full vs Part Time
neiljk (IP Logged)
12 December, 2017 21:20
I actually thought it was a map of Tasmania....

Anyway, why does it matter if the second tier is pro....


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