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centrethere
6-2 split for substitutes
centrethere (IP Logged)
22 February, 2018 20:27
Traditional Sub coverage
3 front row – 3 subs (required)
2 2nd row – 1 sub
3 Back row - 1 sub
1 scrum half – 1 sub
1 flyhalf – 1 sub
5 backs (2 centres, 2 wings, fullback) - utility back – 1 sub

New recently under Solomons
3 front row – 3 subs (required)
2 2nd row – 1 sub
3 Back row - 2 subs
[~5 positions in 2nd and back row with 3 subs]
1 scrum half – 1 sub
6 backs – flyhalf, 2 centres, 2 wings, fullback) - utility back – 1 sub

Interesting, but doesn’t appear balanced. If we stick with the 6-2 split, I’m sure we are going to see a back row at 12 before long.
Appreciate that there are lots of permutations, but are we training for this and who are the back row 12s?

 
usa warrior
Re: 6-2 split for substitutes
usa warrior (IP Logged)
22 February, 2018 20:30
Lewis played centre before 7 so imagine he could do a job.

Regardless of whether or not it is orthodox, it’s working.

 
centrethere
Re: 6-2 split for substitutes
centrethere (IP Logged)
22 February, 2018 20:50
It wasn't a leading question -but the latest signing fits this mold

'Warriors announce the signing of Scott van Breda - 26 year old utility back, who plays at full-back but who can also play at fly-half, centre, full-back or wing' (edited)

 
dkexile
Re: 6-2 split for substitutes
dkexile (IP Logged)
23 February, 2018 15:06
I think it's an indication of where we're weakest at present, the second and back rows, in order to minimise this weakness we bring fresh players on to keep the work rate high so our pack competes for 80 minutes.

 
usa warrior
Re: 6-2 split for substitutes
usa warrior (IP Logged)
23 February, 2018 15:19
And well done to AS for recognising that fact and putting it right!!

 
Southstand(again)
Re: 6-2 split for substitutes
Southstand(again) (IP Logged)
23 February, 2018 15:55
Quote:
dkexile
I think it's an indication of where we're weakest at present, the second and back rows, in order to minimise this weakness we bring fresh players on to keep the work rate high so our pack competes for 80 minutes.

I think, DK, you have probably hit the nail firmly on the head.

Our first choice eight, at first glance, seems quite "Lightweight" in premiership terms.
Whilst technique obviously plays a major part in the set piece, packing down against much heavier eights does deplete energy reserves.

Looking at Sunday's game the Irish starting eight weigh in at 919kgs. Put that up against our starting 897kgs and you would think that the opposition should have a bit of a nudge on us.

Using figures "Unashamedly" pulled off the Saints board, it would appear our giving away weight in the scrum is more or less the norm with the collective weights of the first choice eights of Sarries, Exeter and Wasps hitting the scales at 936kg, 928kgs and 918kgs respectively.

I could, perhaps adjust our pack weights for the inclusion of Spencer and his "soon to be Leicester" mate, but the sun has just come out and I'm afraid apathy has set in. eye rolling smiley



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 23/02/2018 15:56 by Southstand(again).

 
Warrior7
Re: 6-2 split for substitutes
Warrior7 (IP Logged)
23 February, 2018 18:18
Think our pack weight is lacking because of Lewis at 7, VV at 8 and DOC at 4 - all fairly light for their positions.

 
Southstand(again)
Re: 6-2 split for substitutes
Southstand(again) (IP Logged)
23 February, 2018 18:30
GJ 109kgs DOC 115 kgs SL 95 kgs

 
Underdog
Re: 6-2 split for substitutes
Underdog (IP Logged)
23 February, 2018 18:34
I think we're going to persist with this until it costs us. Fine by me for the reasons stated by others in that it allows us to play our game with less drop off. Also has the added benefit of greater continuity for the backs.

 
Southstand(again)
Re: 6-2 split for substitutes
Southstand(again) (IP Logged)
23 February, 2018 18:34
Denton 119 kgs Spencer 122 kgs

 
centrethere
Re: 6-2 split for substitutes
centrethere (IP Logged)
23 February, 2018 21:37
In a game, most/ all the forwards usually run out of steam at 60 mins.

Nothing against 6-2 split, if we haven't got 3 game winning backs to come on.

But the injury / card stats for the backs must have been looked at as must the possibility of of a back row in the three-quarters.

Mind, they often loiter in the line a fair bit anyway.

 
Warrior7
Re: 6-2 split for substitutes
Warrior7 (IP Logged)
23 February, 2018 21:59
Lewis is a decent centre when needed to be fair.

Plus we have players who can play multiple positions:

Hougaard - scrum half/wing
Shillcock - fly half/fullback
Mills - fly half/12
Willison - both centres
Pennell - 15/13
Hammond - wing/13

So unless we get injury decimated there are usually adequate replacements for a position in the backs on the field already.
Seems like having an extra forward is winning us more collisions, can't wait to see Spencer/Bressler/Cox coming on this weekend against a bench that isn't the strongest.

 
BrumBrum
Re: 6-2 split for substitutes
BrumBrum (IP Logged)
23 February, 2018 22:13
Bang on Warrior7,
Think this could continue longer term with backs being able to play multi positions.
Forwards taking the physical beating of tackles more than backs, thus the more subs.

 
centrethere
Re: 6-2 split for substitutes
centrethere (IP Logged)
23 February, 2018 22:26
Agree with Solomons, but just ask the what if...

(Would say that: apart from the front 3 who could go into back three, and
the two locks who could play back 3, only the back 3 could realistically go in the threes. Any threes for the back three?)(Sm133) Te'o for a flanker anyone?

 
FlipFlop
Re: 6-2 split for substitutes
FlipFlop (IP Logged)
24 February, 2018 08:46
It’s probably my imagination, but we seem to be playing high tempo, expansive rugby initially in games and when ahead by a few scores, seem to resort to a tighter 5-8 game to go forward, but with less risk of interceptions to ensure we maintain a lead. Maybe another reason for the bench split.

Hopefully we can do a job tomorrow and then look up even more for the remainder of the season.

 
MESSAGES->author
Re: 6-2 split for substitutes
TeflonTed (IP Logged)
24 February, 2018 09:11
I think Flippy is pretty spot on with that analysis. The wide game will be interesting. Both Irish wingers are dangerous going forward, and Cokanasiga looks good in defence, but from what I’ve seen Lewington is less sound, although very capable going forwards.

I reckon Bryce has every chance of steamrollering Lewington, wonder if either side will swap wingers, Irish might see Josh as the main threat and put Lewington to cover him, he’s faster than Coka.


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