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w4rriorz1980
Paddy Jackson and Stuart Olding
w4rriorz1980 (IP Logged)
14 April, 2018 00:29
Rightly or wrongly they are being released by Ulster.

Would have these two @ the drop of a hat but our fly-half and centre/fullback options for next season are plentiful.

Probably will want to move to one of the other Irish provinces as they will have international ambitions still.

Early indications via the BBC is there's protests by Ulster fans and IMHO for good reason.They've been cleared.I'd be up in arms aswell.



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Re: Paddy Jackson and Stuart Olding
West Brom Warrior (IP Logged)
14 April, 2018 01:22
They have been found not guilty and should be free to resume there careers however it wonít be at Worcester as we are well stocked for players in there positions for next year.

 
BridgnorthBaloo
Re: Paddy Jackson and Stuart Olding
BridgnorthBaloo (IP Logged)
14 April, 2018 08:23
I would be amazed if any of the Irish provinces took on either player. They may have been found not guilty in a court of law, but their behaviour on social media etc will stay with them and that is why they have been apologising for their behaviour.
I would guess that France or even Japan will be their next stop.

 
Ake1985
Re: Paddy Jackson and Stuart Olding
Ake1985 (IP Logged)
14 April, 2018 09:21
Would not have them here at all!! After reading about that case, although they were cleared of charges they behaved appallingly!

The way they acted was disgraceful

 
p1umb
Re: Paddy Jackson and Stuart Olding
p1umb (IP Logged)
14 April, 2018 09:21
Are the IRFU to follow?Independant.IE

 
WorcesterSauce
Re: Paddy Jackson and Stuart Olding
WorcesterSauce (IP Logged)
14 April, 2018 10:24
No thank you. The messages were terrible. As ake says, aquitted or not their behavior was shocking and has earned them no friends. They arent being banished from ireland for no reason.

 
w4rriorz1980
Re: Paddy Jackson and Stuart Olding
w4rriorz1980 (IP Logged)
14 April, 2018 11:15
Fair enough people.After reading more their behaviour has been appalling but do Ulster have a legal right to sack them? I'm a layman when it comes to things like this!



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Re: Paddy Jackson and Stuart Olding
Abberley (IP Logged)
14 April, 2018 12:01
Quote:
w4rriorz1980
...but do Ulster have a legal right to sack them?

Most employment contracts reference a 'Code of Conduct' - this one, randomly Googled, is typical of larger organisations:

[www.brookes.ac.uk]

and contains the clause:

Conduct outside work

The University does not seek to dictate how employees conduct themselves in their personal lives outside work. However, unlawful, anti-social or other conduct by employees which may jeopardise the Universityís reputation or position will be dealt with through the disciplinary procedure.

I'm sure one of our legal bretheren will be along shortly with an authoritive view.



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Ake1985
Re: Paddy Jackson and Stuart Olding
Ake1985 (IP Logged)
14 April, 2018 12:04
Quote:
w4rriorz1980
Fair enough people.After reading more their behaviour has been appalling but do Ulster have a legal right to sack them? I'm a layman when it comes to things like this!

Seems like they do as both Ulster and the irfu have revoked/released/sacked them

 
Southstand(again)
Re: Paddy Jackson and Stuart Olding
Southstand(again) (IP Logged)
14 April, 2018 12:27
Heaven forbid we ever employ a player thats been publicly accused of attacking a woman - even if later found not guilty of any charge eye rolling smiley

 
hairyicecream
Re: Paddy Jackson and Stuart Olding
wusstawizard (IP Logged)
14 April, 2018 13:15
They behaved no differently to 90% of professional sportsmen. If you were to scroll through the phones of most rugby players, you'd no doubt find messages of a similar nature. I'm not condoning their behaviour, I think it's pretty revolting, but if you wouldn't have many professionals left if you sacked players based on private messages they sent one another.

 
Underdog
Re: Paddy Jackson and Stuart Olding
Underdog (IP Logged)
14 April, 2018 13:36
I think that's why this sort of thing has to be punished though. If we want to see less of this sort of casual disdain and lack of respect for people, then there has to be consequences if and when it comes out. You're absolutely right that it's very prevalent, but I don't think we should just throw our hands up and give up trying to make it better.

It's a very difficult one though, and I confess I swing back and forward on what I think about it.

 
Emphursis
Re: Paddy Jackson and Stuart Olding
Emphursis (IP Logged)
14 April, 2018 19:03
Quote:
Southstand(again)
Heaven forbid we ever employ a player thats been publicly accused of attacking a woman - even if later found not guilty of any charge eye rolling smiley

I assume youíre talking about this? [www.dailytelegraph.com.au]

If so, itís not even a not guilty, itís a Ďno further actioní, so no charges pressed as far as I can tell.

Iím not commenting on the merits or otherwise of that, Iím not a lawyer,just providing the link.

 
B-road
Re: Paddy Jackson and Stuart Olding
14 April, 2018 19:27
Quote:
wusstawizard
They behaved no differently to 90% of professional sportsmen. If you were to scroll through the phones of most rugby players, you'd no doubt find messages of a similar nature.

Not sure where you get 90% from ? Even if true (which it isnt) doesnít make it right. Far from it.

 
WorcesterSauce
Re: Paddy Jackson and Stuart Olding
WorcesterSauce (IP Logged)
15 April, 2018 14:57
Having met and spoke with many of the Worcester team, 90% is an over exaggeration. I don't doubt that this sort of chat is perhaps more common in the whatsapp groups amongst younger players but if you really think the likes of Chris Pennell, Jonny Arr, Jackson Willison, Dewald Potgeiter, DOC etc etc would chat like these lads have you're almost certainly mistaken. Don't doubt that it happens, but 90% is a laughable figure.... more like 10%

 
Brummagem Bertie
Re: Paddy Jackson and Stuart Olding
Brummagem Bertie (IP Logged)
15 April, 2018 19:05
Quote:
Southstand(again)
Heaven forbid we ever employ a player thats been publicly accused of attacking a woman - even if later found not guilty of any charge eye rolling smiley

A very different case, IMHO. Ben maintained he was defending himself after being attacked with a stiletto shoe. If true, then entirely reasonable.

On the other hand, even the admitted behaviour of the two players and their social media posts were distasteful and reprehensible, at best.



Whatever you do, do it safely!

 
Brummagem Bertie
Re: Paddy Jackson and Stuart Olding
Brummagem Bertie (IP Logged)
15 April, 2018 19:47
Quote:
w4rriorz1980
Fair enough people.After reading more their behaviour has been appalling but do Ulster have a legal right to sack them? I'm a layman when it comes to things like this!

Abberley is quite right about conduct clauses being common in employment contracts. Given how professional rugby players are often referred to as role models I'd be gobsmacked if there wasn't such a clause as a standard part of pro players contracts.

Such clauses generally cover a much wider range of conduct than the purely criminal. Then there's the fact that disciplinary codes in contracts of employment work to the lower civil standard of proof.

Given how long this has been going on for you can bet that both I RFU and Ulster had sought advice from m'learned friends about their options. I very much doubt there's any chance of challenging the terminations.



Whatever you do, do it safely!

 
usa warrior
Re: Paddy Jackson and Stuart Olding
usa warrior (IP Logged)
15 April, 2018 19:50
Looks like Clermont will be Jacksons destination.

 
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Re: Paddy Jackson and Stuart Olding
Powick Eastander (IP Logged)
16 April, 2018 08:53
ANd Exeter for Olding it seems



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A38
Re: Paddy Jackson and Stuart Olding
A38 (IP Logged)
16 April, 2018 09:41
The Times suggests that Jackson "may be bound for London Irish" in a headline whilst in the body of the article one can read "Worcester Warriors have been linked to Olding".

Exeter are quoted as saying that they have no interest in either player - although The Times mentions that rumours are circulating to the contrary.

The article ends with the suggestion that Jackson has a legal bill in the region of £500k and that he will be looking for the highest bidder. Where and which league will be of secondary importance.

I think that we can dismiss the suggestion that Worcester are interested in Olding if only because we seem well stocked in his positions.

 
AJWarriors
Re: Paddy Jackson and Stuart Olding
AJWarriors (IP Logged)
16 April, 2018 13:26
Full Back we arenít though A38. We only have Pens and Van Breda as specialist full backs and it only takes an injury or two. Granted Josh and Perry play there,but Iím not overly keen on them playing at full back whereas Olding plays full back and covers centre. Taking away whatís happened Olding is a really really good player

 
WorcesterSauce
Re: Paddy Jackson and Stuart Olding
WorcesterSauce (IP Logged)
16 April, 2018 13:30
Shillcock can play there too dont forget

 
Brummagem Bertie
Re: Paddy Jackson and Stuart Olding
Brummagem Bertie (IP Logged)
16 April, 2018 14:23
Quote:
A38
The Times suggests that Jackson "may be bound for London Irish" in a headline whilst in the body of the article one can read "Worcester Warriors have been linked to Olding".

The Times suggestion about LI has all the hallmarks of a journo realising that the player's former Ulster coach is now at LI, so let's say he's going there.



Whatever you do, do it safely!

 
Ake1985
Re: Paddy Jackson and Stuart Olding
Ake1985 (IP Logged)
17 April, 2018 09:57
Quote:
AJWarriors
Full Back we arenít though A38. We only have Pens and Van Breda as specialist full backs and it only takes an injury or two. Granted Josh and Perry play there,but Iím not overly keen on them playing at full back whereas Olding plays full back and covers centre. Taking away whatís happened Olding is a really really good player

I disagree, I think we are well stocked at fullback. Pennell, van Breda and shilcock with Humphreys and Adams as back up with the young lad david/davies(?). Looks pretty good to me

 
w4rriorz1980
Re: Paddy Jackson and Stuart Olding
w4rriorz1980 (IP Logged)
17 April, 2018 11:09
Quote:
Ake1985
Quote:
AJWarriors
Full Back we arenít though A38. We only have Pens and Van Breda as specialist full backs and it only takes an injury or two. Granted Josh and Perry play there,but Iím not overly keen on them playing at full back whereas Olding plays full back and covers centre. Taking away whatís happened Olding is a really really good player

I disagree, I think we are well stocked at fullback. Pennell, van Breda and shilcock with Humphreys and Adams as back up with the young lad david/davies(?). Looks pretty good to me
Nick David.
Been fantastic for the Cavs but atm not been offered a senior contract for next season.I could be wrong! Not sure if he's been on the bench for any 1st team games.I'd give him a chance if just in cup games initially.



Eats,Shoots And Leaves



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Re: Paddy Jackson and Stuart Olding
TeflonTed (IP Logged)
17 April, 2018 18:06
Agree Nick David looks like a great one for the future. Not sure of his DoB but he was still playing U18 last Feb. so heís a way to go yet. I donít believe heís been anywhere near the first team squad as yet.

 
neiljk
Re: Paddy Jackson and Stuart Olding
neiljk (IP Logged)
17 April, 2018 20:33
Nick is an u19. I think he had concussion earlier in the season, but Iíd be surprised if we let him go. Definite one for the future.

I must admit I would be very unhappy to see either Ulster player join us. Irrespective of the court verdict having looked at the reported details of their behaviour and group chat their conduct is really bad. Personally having read the detailed article my own view is that they dodged a bit of a bullet with the verdict they got.

I also donít believe you would find this kind of thing on anything other than a small minority of group chats. Iíd have confidence that most of our young men have more respect and know better.

 
A38
Re: Paddy Jackson and Stuart Olding
A38 (IP Logged)
20 April, 2018 19:27
Olding not coming to Worcester : Solomons

[www.worcesternews.co.uk]


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