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Old Col
Drumming
Old Col (IP Logged)
16 April, 2018 17:59
I attended both London Irish and Wasps matches at their stadiums. I found the insistent drumming distracting during the matches . I thought it innapropriate and irrelevant to the action on the field and at Wasps irritating to see the drummers parading and twirling around betweem the seats at the edge of the field whilst having to look over them to follow the game. Anyone else think it should be banned from premiership matches? I do not think any other clubs tolerate or encourage such a mindless accompaniment during a game. Is it wrong to criticise what happens at another club ?Maybe but how else can any feedback be given ? I say BAN THE DRUMMING .I wonder if I am alone?

 
WorcesterSauce
Re: Drumming
WorcesterSauce (IP Logged)
16 April, 2018 18:30
there is a place for drums at sports grounds if their use is coherent and used well. At wasps and irish its a rubbish attempt to improve the atmosphere as the fans of the two clubs don't know how to make noise.

 
Abmatt
Re: Drumming
Abmatt (IP Logged)
16 April, 2018 19:07
If there was a vote to ban them I would vote yes.

Irrespective of the result the drums were annoying me so much on Saturday that at one point I nearly left.

Each to their own but I hate them.

 
Freypal
Re: Drumming
Freypal (IP Logged)
16 April, 2018 20:01
I went to one game at the Ricoh and hated it, with this being one of the main reasons. That and all the rubbish pumped out the PA system trying to create some kind of fake atmosphere.

 
usa warrior
Re: Drumming
usa warrior (IP Logged)
16 April, 2018 21:00
It was really annoying, agreed. They seemed to circle the pitch throughout as well.

 
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Re: Drumming
TeflonTed (IP Logged)
16 April, 2018 21:13
All depends what sort of atmosphere individuals want. Nor surprised to see that Saucie now includes fans of both LI and Wasps along with his home crowd as ďfans who donít know know how to make noiseĒ.

Maybe one day weíll get a list of premiership fans who do know how to make a noise.

Returning to the drums, I donít like them, but would expect that a home crowd should be able to do pretty much what it likes. If others donít like, donít go. Personally I find the pa at Wasps far worse than the drums, totally artificial, and incredibly ignorant of the sportsmanlike traditions of the game, being used even when play is underway.

All part of professionalism, and isnít going to go away. I wonít go back to the MadStad under any circumstances, although I find the food and drink service at the Ricoh compensates to some extent for the disgraceful pa.

 
ukms
Re: Drumming
ukms (IP Logged)
16 April, 2018 21:16
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WorcesterSauce
there is a place for drums at sports grounds if their use is coherent and used well. At wasps and irish its a rubbish attempt to improve the atmosphere as the fans of the two clubs don't know how to make noise.

But you donít go to the Ricoh .... so how would you know fans donít know how to make noise ? winking smiley

Trust me thereís plenty of noise aside of the drums, PA and buzzing (and anything else people moan about) ..... thereís always been something going on even back at Adams Park ..... being blunt when itís your home ground the club can do what they want, the drums donít interfere with play, even if they do pi$$ off a handful of visiting supporters from time to time. smiling smiley

 
WorcesterSauce
Re: Drumming
WorcesterSauce (IP Logged)
16 April, 2018 21:16
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All depends what sort of atmosphere individuals want. Nor surprised to see that Saucie now includes fans of both LI and Wasps along with his home crowd as ďfans who donít know know how to make noiseĒ.
Maybe one day weíll get a list of premiership fans who do know how to make a noise.

Returning to the drums, I donít like them, but would expect that a home crowd should be able to do pretty much what it likes. If others donít like, donít go. Personally I find the pa at Wasps far worse than the drums, totally artificial, and incredibly ignorant of the sportsmanlike traditions of the game, being used even when play is underway.

All part of professionalism, and isnít going to go away. I wonít go back to the MadStad under any circumstances, although I find the food and drink service at the Ricoh compensates to some extent for the disgraceful pa.

Saints, Glos, Exeter, Sale and in the past, Wuss! If irish and wasps fans did know how to make noise, they wouldnt need reminding from their PA every break in play.

Ukms - sorry must have posted at the same time. You and TT are right, the home team can, too an extent, do what they like. I didnt go to the Ricoh, but luckily you can stream all games nowadays, so watched via something probably illegal.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 16/04/2018 21:18 by WorcesterSauce.

 
ukms
Re: Drumming
ukms (IP Logged)
17 April, 2018 08:51
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TeflonTed
All depends what sort of atmosphere individuals want. Nor surprised to see that Saucie now includes fans of both LI and Wasps along with his home crowd as ďfans who donít know know how to make noiseĒ.
Maybe one day weíll get a list of premiership fans who do know how to make a noise.

Returning to the drums, I donít like them, but would expect that a home crowd should be able to do pretty much what it likes. If others donít like, donít go. Personally I find the pa at Wasps far worse than the drums, totally artificial, and incredibly ignorant of the sportsmanlike traditions of the game, being used even when play is underway.

All part of professionalism, and isnít going to go away. I wonít go back to the MadStad under any circumstances, although I find the food and drink service at the Ricoh compensates to some extent for the disgraceful pa.

TT - Glad you like the food and drink smiling smiley .... there are plenty who moan about it !

As for the PA, personally I don't tend to notice it anymore but can understand the moans .... I think I'm pretty certain in saying it never happens in play .... typical example when they are setting a scrum or lineout .... I actually don't think it was used much last weekend ? unless I'm oblivious now !

WS - Are you sure its the drums you can hear on your illegal stream and not the sound of all the porn pop ups winking smiley .... good or bad the support sounds very different on TV to live .... maybe you should dip your toe in the water and go to an away game next season and support your club, you never know you might enjoy yourself !

 
Abmatt
Re: Drumming
Abmatt (IP Logged)
17 April, 2018 09:29
I didnít notice the pa at all on Saturday. Certainly not like on my last visit.

Iíd have to agree the facilities at the Ricoh are very good.

 
Malvern Man
Re: Drumming
Malvern Man (IP Logged)
17 April, 2018 10:22
The drumming was very irritating on Saturday, but not nearly as bad as at London Irish. As above, I didn't notice the public address at all. I was impressed with the stadium (first visit) and the bars were good with the pints already pulled. The view from our seats was terrific. We went by train, which was very convenient and not crazily packed.

Of the three soccer grounds, the Ricoh is in my experience the best. Of the other two the Sale ground is horrible and I'll take some persuading to go there again. The LI soccer ground is being replaced by the Bristol soccer ground, which I like, possibly because of the excellent experience at the first leg of Championship play-off final in 2015!

 
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Re: Drumming
Powick Eastander (IP Logged)
17 April, 2018 11:09
The Sale ground isn't a football stadium it's a rugby stadium. Both union and league. But it is rubbish tbh



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Malvern Man
Re: Drumming
Malvern Man (IP Logged)
17 April, 2018 11:44
Well I never did. The AJ Bell is so horrible I assumed it was a football ground!

 
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Re: Drumming
TeflonTed (IP Logged)
17 April, 2018 18:02
ukms, the twice Iíve been it was certainly used as lineouts were being set, and thatís in play. If theyíve backed off it recently then thatís all to the good, and I found that the Waspies sitting around us said they didnít much like it either.

Itís only a short step from some pa interruptions to the awful ďcome ON you OirishĒ bellowed at every opportunity over the pa at the dreadful MadStad.

Gladly looks that may be a problem over very shortly!

 
ukms
Re: Drumming
ukms (IP Logged)
17 April, 2018 18:40
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ukms, the twice Iíve been it was certainly used as lineouts were being set, and thatís in play. If theyíve backed off it recently then thatís all to the good, and I found that the Waspies sitting around us said they didnít much like it either.
Itís only a short step from some pa interruptions to the awful ďcome ON you OirishĒ bellowed at every opportunity over the pa at the dreadful MadStad.

Gladly looks that may be a problem over very shortly!

If you asked most (probably all) players they couldnít give a jot but I understand the complaint even though itís never bothered me personally...... as for in play or not .... the ball is dead until itís thrown (unless someone knows different) ....

 
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Re: Drumming
TeflonTed (IP Logged)
17 April, 2018 18:58
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ukms, the twice Iíve been it was certainly used as lineouts were being set, and thatís in play. If theyíve backed off it recently then thatís all to the good, and I found that the Waspies sitting around us said they didnít much like it either.
Itís only a short step from some pa interruptions to the awful ďcome ON you OirishĒ bellowed at every opportunity over the pa at the dreadful MadStad.

Gladly looks that may be a problem over very shortly!

If you asked most (probably all) players they couldnít give a jot but I understand the complaint even though itís never bothered me personally...... as for in play or not .... the ball is dead until itís thrown (unless someone knows different) ....

Not so surely. In normal play the clock is still running as a lineout or scrum is set, thereís no stoppage unless Sir exceptionally decides so.

For me thatís normal play, and pa supporter wind-ups are inappropriate.

 
usa warrior
Re: Drumming
usa warrior (IP Logged)
17 April, 2018 21:09
The PA was not a problem at all on Saturday. Drums were a distraction, but to each their own. Maybe I'm just not used to them.

The fans village, however, was very good.

 
ukms
Re: Drumming
ukms (IP Logged)
17 April, 2018 21:27
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ukms, the twice Iíve been it was certainly used as lineouts were being set, and thatís in play. If theyíve backed off it recently then thatís all to the good, and I found that the Waspies sitting around us said they didnít much like it either.
Itís only a short step from some pa interruptions to the awful ďcome ON you OirishĒ bellowed at every opportunity over the pa at the dreadful MadStad.

Gladly looks that may be a problem over very shortly!

If you asked most (probably all) players they couldnít give a jot but I understand the complaint even though itís never bothered me personally...... as for in play or not .... the ball is dead until itís thrown (unless someone knows different) ....

Not so surely. In normal play the clock is still running as a lineout or scrum is set, thereís no stoppage unless Sir exceptionally decides so.

For me thatís normal play, and pa supporter wind-ups are inappropriate.

The clock runs through a few parts of the game when the ball is dead but I do get your frustration. As for the drums I must admit I used to find them a tad irritating myself but donít notice them anymore.

 
usa warrior
Re: Drumming
usa warrior (IP Logged)
18 April, 2018 07:34
What could easily be improved were the game clocks however. They were tiny!! That or my eyes were seriously struggling...

 
Malvern Man
Re: Drumming
Malvern Man (IP Logged)
18 April, 2018 10:07
There was a clock on the big screen at times.

 
usa warrior
Re: Drumming
usa warrior (IP Logged)
18 April, 2018 10:55
Was the wrong corner to see that easily.

 
ukms
Re: Drumming
ukms (IP Logged)
18 April, 2018 15:21
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What could easily be improved were the game clocks however. They were tiny!! That or my eyes were seriously struggling...

Clocks are nothing to do with the club as I understand .... they are provided by PRL ..... Its been raised many times before ..... we get nice big shiny Tissot Clocks for the Euro games which are pitch side and far better

 
Bill the chip
Re: Drumming
Bill the chip (IP Logged)
19 April, 2018 07:48
The drums are used to drown out the whingeing and sighing some guys on this board bring to a sporting venue! If you want silence spend your Saturdays at the library!

The donkey noises at Gloucester are annoying, but also brilliant itís what makes the shed, both hostile and a great place to visit for away fans....... each ground has its quirks , itís called. An atmosphere.... get over it

 
Abmatt
Re: Drumming
Abmatt (IP Logged)
19 April, 2018 08:23
Or to generate some form of atmosphere on what is a soulless sporting venue.

 
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Re: Drumming
Powick Eastander (IP Logged)
19 April, 2018 09:11
The drums at Sale are loathed by their fans.. Seems they try to drown them out!



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ukms
Re: Drumming
ukms (IP Logged)
19 April, 2018 19:02
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Or to generate some form of atmosphere on what is a soulless sporting venue.

Out of interest do you consider Sixways full of soul or another soulless sporting venue ? ......

 
Abmatt
Re: Drumming
Abmatt (IP Logged)
20 April, 2018 19:31
Personally I feel it has more Ďsoulí than watching rugby in a stadium. The only time on Saturday when there was any form of chant in support of wasps it was normally preceded by the drums to kick start it.

At 6-ways, Coventry, the Rec, kingsholm I feel more connected with what is happening on the pitch.

As previously stated I find large stadia soulless, and I include hq in this. I donít feel connected with what is happening on the pitch, only with the chatter that is going on around me.

At Sixways you can hear the reaction of fans in other sections of the ground, hear the shouts of players, hear a particularly hard tackle. This for me enhances the viewing experience. You are closer to the pitch.

At large stadiums you arenít. I just donít like them, some people do. Each to their own.

 
ukms
Re: Drumming
ukms (IP Logged)
20 April, 2018 20:21
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At Sixways you can hear the reaction of fans in other sections of the ground, hear the shouts of players, hear a particularly hard tackle. This for me enhances the viewing experience. You are closer to the pitch

Canít be much cheering going on to hear that lot all the time winking smiley .... suppose it all depends where you sit .... you can sit next to the pitch at most grounds ..... but as you say each to their own.

 
WorcesterSauce
Re: Drumming
WorcesterSauce (IP Logged)
21 April, 2018 03:27
The Ricoh isnt great but having been there with Worcester City when they won 2-1 i assure you noise and atmosphere can be created and thag was in an overall attendance of 9,000. It is the mute wasps fans that make it feel like a soulless morgue.

 
Offa
Re: Drumming
Offa (IP Logged)
21 April, 2018 07:41
I like noise of any type. I really enjoy it when noisey supporters visit us. I even like vuvuzelas. Personally I wish we had a bit more at Sixways although ukms' s point is true - we have plenty of noise when on top.
Never been to Ricoh, and never intend to - I can't bear Wasps, but only out of jealousy. I liked them before they moved close to us and stated yo do well at we had failed to do for years - cultivate support in the rich pickings areas of Solihull and Brum. One day I might get over myself and bury my unfair views (Wasps had to move somewhere, I just wish it was not so close).

 
ukms
Re: Drumming
ukms (IP Logged)
21 April, 2018 07:43
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The Ricoh isnt great but having been there with Worcester City when they won 2-1 i assure you noise and atmosphere can be created and thag was in an overall attendance of 9,000. It is the mute wasps fans that make it feel like a soulless morgue.

But youíve never been there to Ďfeelí what itís like with the mute wasps fans .... your experience is based watching and listening on some grainy stream .... but I suppose at least the mute fans bother to go and support their team .... Warriors certainly wouldnít hear you shouting at your laptop winking smiley

 
ukms
Re: Drumming
ukms (IP Logged)
21 April, 2018 07:45
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Offa
I like noise of any type. I really enjoy it when noisey supporters visit us. I even like vuvuzelas. Personally I wish we had a bit more at Sixways although ukms' s point is true - we have plenty of noise when on top.
Never been to Ricoh, and never intend to - I can't bear Wasps, but only out of jealousy. I liked them before they moved close to us and stated yo do well at we had failed to do for years - cultivate support in the rich pickings areas of Solihull and Brum. One day I might get over myself and bury my unfair views (Wasps had to move somewhere, I just wish it was not so close).

At least your honest about your views and the reasons behind them ! smiling smiley

 
WorcesterSauce
Re: Drumming
WorcesterSauce (IP Logged)
21 April, 2018 08:10
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The Ricoh isnt great but having been there with Worcester City when they won 2-1 i assure you noise and atmosphere can be created and thag was in an overall attendance of 9,000. It is the mute wasps fans that make it feel like a soulless morgue.

But youíve never been there to Ďfeelí what itís like with the mute wasps fans .... your experience is based watching and listening on some grainy stream .... but I suppose at least the mute fans bother to go and support their team .... Warriors certainly wouldnít hear you shouting at your laptop winking smiley

Ah but ive been. I was given free tickets in your first season there (who wasnt). Also have seen plenty of wasps games on bt sport. Of course not the same as being there but you can get a pretty good gist of what the atmosphere is like.

 
ukms
Re: Drumming
ukms (IP Logged)
21 April, 2018 09:22
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The Ricoh isnt great but having been there with Worcester City when they won 2-1 i assure you noise and atmosphere can be created and thag was in an overall attendance of 9,000. It is the mute wasps fans that make it feel like a soulless morgue.

But youíve never been there to Ďfeelí what itís like with the mute wasps fans .... your experience is based watching and listening on some grainy stream .... but I suppose at least the mute fans bother to go and support their team .... Warriors certainly wouldnít hear you shouting at your laptop winking smiley

Ah but ive been. I was given free tickets in your first season there (who wasnt). Also have seen plenty of wasps games on bt sport. Of course not the same as being there but you can get a pretty good gist of what the atmosphere is like.

Perhaps a game against Warriors isnít the best example but it was decent enough .... pop along to a high capacity champions cup game or a premiership semi, pretty decent atmosphere at those types of games ..... something you might not have experienced, unless of course youíve been on a freebie winking smiley

 
usa warrior
Re: Drumming
usa warrior (IP Logged)
21 April, 2018 10:01
Interestingly every game Iíve watched at Wasps (3) has been with free tickets.

 
ukms
Re: Drumming
ukms (IP Logged)
21 April, 2018 10:35
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Interestingly every game Iíve watched at Wasps (3) has been with free tickets.

Thatís great to hear ..... we have the capacity to do that for some games .... reality is many free tickets end up spending on F&B, and many of the early freebies have ended up being STH .... so empty seats end up being income for the club even if itís only a burger or chocolate bar, (although I accept there are those who donít spend anything smiling smiley )

 
tboullem
Re: Drumming
Mobbs (IP Logged)
21 April, 2018 14:58
This Saints fan in full agreement with the original post. That being said, each club will do its own thing whether its drums, 'Come On You Barff/Oirish' or worst of all Saracens playing music whilst the game is still in play.

In my dotage I was hoping to enjoy a lot of away games but now I stick to Sixways, Castle Grim and Kingston Park as preferred destinations. I can cope with Sandy Park, The Stoop and at a push Welford Road but the Madjeski, Ricoh and Allianz Park are just not my thing.

Lets see what razzmattazz the Bristol Bears come up with next season !

 
arkivist
Re: Drumming
arkivist (IP Logged)
22 April, 2018 11:19
Drumming? I blame Waterloo and the Worcester Samba Band. They started it!(Sm151)
As for in game P.A. announcements the guy at London Welsh (ODP) was a star - calling the penalties and line outs before sir had blown his whistle!

 
kiddykid
Re: Drumming
kiddykid (IP Logged)
23 April, 2018 14:09
I hope we never resort to drums nor to a 'footy-style song'. If the team are playing wel that in itself generates the noise from the Sixways crowd, but when Glaws are at our place -or we at theirs, the alternating Worcester Glocester Worcester Gloucester chants do the job brilliantly. Not 'original' but a great sound, a great RUGBY sound!

 
WorcesterSauce
Re: Drumming
WorcesterSauce (IP Logged)
23 April, 2018 17:51
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I hope we never resort to drums nor to a 'footy-style song'. If the team are playing wel that in itself generates the noise from the Sixways crowd, but when Glaws are at our place -or we at theirs, the alternating Worcester Glocester Worcester Gloucester chants do the job brilliantly. Not 'original' but a great sound, a great RUGBY sound!

I hope you cover your ears when COYW is being sang as that was first used in sports in football grounds. The mixing of 'gloucester' and 'warriors' just results in a cocktail of monotoneness IMO. Wouldnt exactly call it atmospheric or vibrant, just a noise.


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