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usa warrior
Adams Dropped
usa warrior (IP Logged)
16 May, 2018 21:51
From Wales squad.

Club couldnít release him for a June 2nd match out of the international window.

Crap situation...

 
Underdog
Re: Adams Dropped
Underdog (IP Logged)
16 May, 2018 22:08
Baffling, given our season is over. Presumably we'd have been fined? Common sense failure it seems, unless I'm missing something.

 
gmem
Re: Adams Dropped
Garym (IP Logged)
16 May, 2018 22:21
Well he will be going back to Wales regardless of this at the end of next season. I would question more the WRU yet again going for matches outside of the officially sanctioned window for international matches. They know the situation with the PRL with regards to these games, so why do they make out they are the innocent parties in this? The club are following the rules, so I donít blame them at all

 
WorcesterSauce
Re: Adams Dropped
WorcesterSauce (IP Logged)
16 May, 2018 22:42
He will definitely be off now

 
w4rriorz1980
Re: Adams Dropped
w4rriorz1980 (IP Logged)
16 May, 2018 23:15
But why the hell would we need Adams on June 2nd?!



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 16/05/2018 23:45 by w4rriorz1980.

 
Brummagem Bertie
Re: Adams Dropped
Brummagem Bertie (IP Logged)
16 May, 2018 23:18
Quote:
w4rriorz1980
But why the he'll would we need Adams on June 2nd?!

We don't but PRL have spoken, so must be obeyed.



Whatever you do, do it safely!

 
usa warrior
Re: Adams Dropped
usa warrior (IP Logged)
16 May, 2018 23:32
Absolutely s**t situation for him. Gutted for the guy.

 
Humps for 1 Mile
Re: Adams Dropped
Humps for 1 Mile (IP Logged)
16 May, 2018 23:44
Very sorry for Josh who has no say in the matter.

The WRU would have known that this situation would arise with English based players when they set the test dates.

The PRL rules are clear so if there is any 'blame' then it is at the feet of the WRU who may be trying to force the hands of the players affected. Back door blackmail?

Politics at play - poor Josh an innocent pawn caught in the middle of it.

Shame, especially as he was named in the team of the season this evening.

 
gmem
Re: Adams Dropped
Garym (IP Logged)
17 May, 2018 06:40
Quote:
WorcesterSauce
He will definitely be off now
do you mean before the start of next season or at the end of next season? We all know he will be off at the end based on the current wales situation

 
MESSAGES->author
Re: Adams Dropped
knightstemplar (IP Logged)
17 May, 2018 07:27
Its PRL not Warriors so Im told

 
MESSAGES->author
Re: Adams Dropped
Faithful_City (IP Logged)
17 May, 2018 07:29
Of course itís the WRU playing politics and attacking their own players for playing in England.

At the point of selection they knew the players would be unavailable, so why select them other than to public ally drop them to make a point. All at the expense of the players.

JP

 
Southstand(again)
Re: Adams Dropped
Southstand(again) (IP Logged)
17 May, 2018 08:10
totally agree Jp,

I'm not a Welsh selector or fixture organiser but I've taken the trouble to read World Rugby's regulation 9.

The Window clearly opens on 9th June when players from outside Unions are made available for matches. Why therefore, organise a tour where the opening game falls outside this window ?

The Welsh Union don't contribute to the wages of Charteris, Francis or Adams so it would be obvious that regulation 9 would be relevant.

Why, therefore, pick them to tour in the first place ?

Little men playing little games.

 
Warr-i-ors!
Re: Adams Dropped
Warr-i-ors! (IP Logged)
17 May, 2018 08:12
Iíd just like to echo the sentiments expressed by others. This is absolutely no fault of the club or PRL. The rules are in place and of course they have to be followed. Gatland and the WRU know the rules (theyíre nothing new) and they have chosen, yet again, to play internationals outside the established window.

Itís just a massive blow for Josh who is paying the price for the ignorance displayed by the WRU. The blame sits firmly at their door.

 
TVM Rides Again....Again
Re: Adams Dropped
TVM Rides Again (IP Logged)
17 May, 2018 08:25
Quote:
Faithful_City
Of course itís the WRU playing politics and attacking their own players for playing in England.
At the point of selection they knew the players would be unavailable, so why select them other than to public ally drop them to make a point. All at the expense of the players.

JP


Sorry to say, but I agree.

 
Freypal
Re: Adams Dropped
Freypal (IP Logged)
17 May, 2018 08:44
Agree with the above sentiments. Not just Adams, affects Charteris and Francis too. WRU know the rules but want to squeeze every last penny out of the international game with these pointless money spinning tests.

Smacks of trying to prove a point to players outside of Wales.

 
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Re: Adams Dropped
TeflonTed (IP Logged)
17 May, 2018 08:52
Was it £50k Saints were fined for releasing North under similar circumstances? (Twice). He had a release clause written in his Saints contract iirc.

WRFU are a dreadful bunch of old pharts.

 
Southstand(again)
Re: Adams Dropped
Southstand(again) (IP Logged)
17 May, 2018 09:10
It was £60k, Ted, the same amount as Bath had to pay for releasing Faletau outside the window.

 
Brummagem Bertie
Re: Adams Dropped
Brummagem Bertie (IP Logged)
17 May, 2018 10:37
It's nice to know that the NZRU would have had so much positive support on this board if they had decided not to release Brad Shields for England. ;-)



Whatever you do, do it safely!

 
Southstand(again)
Re: Adams Dropped
Southstand(again) (IP Logged)
17 May, 2018 11:05
Don't get the comparison Bertie.

The whole point of the Long form agreement is that Premiership Rugby controls the rights to its players and the RFU abides by that agreement.

If Wales want full access to Charteris, Francis and Adams and aren't happy with the provisions of World Rugby's regulation 9 they need, if the players are willing ,to buy out their contracts and place the players with a region.

It's all about the money.

 
FlipFlop
Re: Adams Dropped
FlipFlop (IP Logged)
17 May, 2018 12:28
It's a nice way of the WRU to 'remind' their exiles that they are that, by creating this issue. Gatland knows the rules as well as we do, and so to pick players where he knew this rule would arise (has he forgetten the Felatau and North selections and fines?), so in my mind this is nothing more than stirring the pile by the WRU. Almost suggesting, if you don't do something quick lads, you'll not be having a look in in the future.

Not a Warrior problem, bar when Josh leaves of course.

 
MESSAGES->author
Re: Adams Dropped
TeflonTed (IP Logged)
17 May, 2018 12:37
Quote:
Southstand(again)
It was £60k, Ted, the same amount as Bath had to pay for releasing Faletau outside the window.

Thanks SS

 
MESSAGES->author
Re: Adams Dropped
TeflonTed (IP Logged)
17 May, 2018 12:41
I have already repeated an opinion, (heard in the club bar at Rodney Parade) that influential voices in Welsh circles are pushing for Gatlandís Law to be repealed the moment his taxi is half way down Queen St.

 
kiddykid
Re: Adams Dropped
kiddykid (IP Logged)
17 May, 2018 12:44
Unless Josh Adams is completely in love with the Warriors this confirms that he will leave this time next year. Thanks WRU ......you have really kicked your player- and us - n the teeth.
I wonder if his makes Josh wonder what he is letting himself in for should he throw his hat into the Welsh camp? 'Small minded' does not even begin to describe them.
Re-build Offa's Dyke is what I say......and close the bridge as well.

 
Brummagem Bertie
Re: Adams Dropped
Brummagem Bertie (IP Logged)
17 May, 2018 12:55
Quote:
Southstand(again)
Don't get the comparison Bertie.
The whole point of the Long form agreement is that Premiership Rugby controls the rights to its players and the RFU abides by that agreement.

If Wales want full access to Charteris, Francis and Adams and aren't happy with the provisions of World Rugby's regulation 9 they need, if the players are willing ,to buy out their contracts and place the players with a region.

It's all about the money.

The comparison is that NZRU were not obliged to release Brad Shields, notwithstanding Reg 9, because he had agreed, as part of his contract with NZRU, to make himself available and play only for NZRU. It's the same situation as Callum Black's contract with IRFU and his unavailability for USA.

NZRU, however, decided to take a more mature approach to PRL, and put the player first, rather than their own interests and those of his club.

There is nothing in Reg 9 that prevents a club or PRL agreeing to release outside of the specified international windows. When the players isn't even required by his club during the period in question and seems happy for the player to be selected and play, it's just PRL flexing its muscle. If the WRU came along and said here's £50k per player they would be back in the squad in an hour.

As you say, it's all about the money: it always is with PRL and everyone else's interests can go whistle.



Whatever you do, do it safely!

 
Brummagem Bertie
Re: Adams Dropped
Brummagem Bertie (IP Logged)
17 May, 2018 13:04
Quote:
TeflonTed
I have already repeated an opinion, (heard in the club bar at Rodney Parade) that influential voices in Welsh circles are pushing for Gatlandís Law to be repealed the moment his taxi is half way down Queen St.

Potentially a very short sighted opinion down Newport way. Not sure how much luck they would have had enticing the likes of Hibbard, Moriarty, Bevington and Jarvis, if it weren't for Gatland's law and their need to play in Wales if they want more caps.



Whatever you do, do it safely!

 
Brummagem Bertie
Re: Adams Dropped
Brummagem Bertie (IP Logged)
17 May, 2018 13:10
Quote:
kiddykid
Re-build Offa's Dyke is what I say......and close the bridge as well.

I didn't realise you were a Welsh Nationalist, kiddykid. (Sm14)



Whatever you do, do it safely!

 
t-unit
Re: Adams Dropped
t-unit (IP Logged)
17 May, 2018 13:19
Quote:
Brummagem Bertie
The comparison is that NZRU were not obliged to release Brad Shields...

yes they were. The big difference is the release windows.

From the WR website...
Right to Release
9.1 A Union must, in accordance with the provisions of this Regulation 9, have the right to a Playerís availability for selection and appearances for a National Representative Team or National Squad of that Union, including a reasonable preparation period immediately prior to Matches, (the Right to Release for Matches) and for Squad training sessions and/or other team building activities, excluding commercial activities, (the Right to Release for Squad Sessions).

9.2 A Union, Association, Rugby Body or Club is obliged to release a Player to the Union for which the Player is eligible when selected by such Union for a National Representative Team or National Squad in accordance with the provisions of this Regulation 9.

9.3 No Union, Association, Rugby Body or Club whether by contract, conduct or otherwise may inhibit, prevent, discourage, disincentivise or render unavailable any Player from selection, attendance and appearance in a National Representative Team or National Squad session when such request for selection, attendance and appearance is made in accordance with the provisions of this Regulation 9. Any agreement and/or arrangement between a Player and a Rugby Body or Club or between a Union or an Association and a Rugby Body or Club (and/or any proposal made and/or attempted to be made howsoever communicated) which is contrary to this Regulation 9.3 is prohibited, including, but not limited to any agreement and/or arrangement and/or proposal pursuant to which a Player is (or would be) unable to exercise the right to play for a Union.




Basically, the clubs/PRL/NZRU are obliged to release players for the international teams in the windows or World Cup qualifying events, and is not allowed to block this for any reason in these windows. This was implemented, if I remember correctly, as a number of PI players were being coerced to refuse to play for their countries.

NZRU had to release Shields, as the matches are in the window, whilst the first Wales match is outside this, so PRL refused... politics!



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 17/05/2018 13:21 by t-unit.

 
Brummagem Bertie
Re: Adams Dropped
Brummagem Bertie (IP Logged)
17 May, 2018 13:48
So if all the above is true, why did Shields have to ask to be released and acknowledge that NZRU could say no? Why is Callum Black unable to make himself available for USA because of his IRFU contract?

I think the answer lies in Reg 9.3, a careful reading of which might explain why IRFU and NZRU aren't obliged to release players to other unions. Note that in the list of prohibited contracts there is no mention of a contract between a union and a player, which prevents a player appearing for another union.

The only interpretation that makes sense of why Shields had to ask for release in writing, which all the reports said was not guaranteed because of his NZRU contract, and why USA are not jumping up and down screaming, "But IRB Reg 9", over Callum's unavailability, is that unions AND players do have the freedom to sign contracts which prevent a player being available for another union, even where Reg 9 would otherwise apply.



Whatever you do, do it safely!

 
MESSAGES->author
Re: Adams Dropped
Faithful_City (IP Logged)
17 May, 2018 14:01
So, Adams gets blackmailedto return to a Welsh Region, who can pay him what they like because he has to them!

Loss in salary and no guarantee of game timeayin an inferior league.

He may still not make the Welsh team apart from the occaisional game, his style suits the Prem it may not suit the pro 14.

so he ends up forced to take a wage cut(very likely), loses form what then? He wont get another premiership contract.

The move back to Wales is frought with danger for him.

JP

 
MESSAGES->author
Re: Adams Dropped
West Brom Warrior (IP Logged)
17 May, 2018 14:06
He is contracted to us and therefore is we want to release him for a Wales game we should be free to, PLR should go back to their hole. My stance on this situation is unchanged from when North and Saints got fined, itís some shambles and nothing to do with PLR.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 17/05/2018 15:18 by West Brom Warrior.

 
MESSAGES->author
Re: Adams Dropped
Faithful_City (IP Logged)
17 May, 2018 14:07
Where does it say Callum was unable to -lay due to IRFU, Gold inferred/said it was Callums decision.

 
MESSAGES->author
Re: Adams Dropped
Faithful_City (IP Logged)
17 May, 2018 14:09
You cannot arbitarly take decision outside of the democratically agreed procedure, this just leads to anarchy.

The clubs agreed, the unions were informed they need to plan accordingly.

JP

 
Brummagem Bertie
Re: Adams Dropped
Brummagem Bertie (IP Logged)
17 May, 2018 14:29
Quote:
Faithful_City
So, Adams gets blackmailedto return to a Welsh Region, who can pay him what they like because he has to them!
Loss in salary and no guarantee of game timeayin an inferior league.

He may still not make the Welsh team apart from the occaisional game, his style suits the Prem it may not suit the pro 14.

so he ends up forced to take a wage cut(very likely), loses form what then? He wont get another premiership contract.

The move back to Wales is frought with danger for him.

JP

No different to English players. Steffon Armitage had to choose whether to stay in France or play for England, Haskell and Cipriani have both reportedly taken large pay cuts to stay in England, when they were offered far more abroad, because they want to play for England at the next World Cup.

Southern Hemisphere players (Aus, NZ, Argentina) all have the same choice, as well as Irish in the North: it's not just Wales.



Whatever you do, do it safely!

 
Brummagem Bertie
Re: Adams Dropped
Brummagem Bertie (IP Logged)
17 May, 2018 14:33
Quote:
Faithful_City
Where does it say Callum was unable to -lay due to IRFU, Gold inferred/said it was Callums decision.

Gold's quote in the WN story criticised Callum for making himself available "when it was not his decision to make". As he is contracted to IRFU until 30 June, someone else raised the likely expectation that his contract prevented him from playing for USA.

Call it 2+2 but it seems very similar to Shields, in that it did not appear to be ultimately Shields's decision whether he played for England this summer, but NZRU's.



Whatever you do, do it safely!

 
MESSAGES->author
Re: Adams Dropped
Faithful_City (IP Logged)
17 May, 2018 14:40
Where does it say this?

Quote:
BB
Gold's quote in the WN story criticised Callum for making himself available "when it was not his decision to make". As he is contracted to IRFU until 30 June, someone else raised the likely expectation that his contract prevented him from playing for USA.

Have i missed something.

JP

 
MESSAGES->author
Re: Adams Dropped
Faithful_City (IP Logged)
17 May, 2018 15:04
Quote:
Gary Gold

We canít go around begging players to play for the team.

ďIf they want to play international rugby and they want to represent their country, then thatís wonderful.

ďThereís got to be a hunger and desire for that.

ďWe canít be running after players.

ď(Callum) made his call, and thatís fine. Itís just disappointing.Ē

It was Callumís call not the IRFU OR HIS CLUB.

JP

 
ROLLO on tour
Re: Adams Dropped
ROLLO (IP Logged)
17 May, 2018 19:33
It is the Welsh team that is weakened - stupid rule that has also cost them their best scrum half.

 
Brummagem Bertie
Re: Adams Dropped
Brummagem Bertie (IP Logged)
17 May, 2018 19:43
Quote:
Faithful_City
Where does it say this?
Quote:
BB
Gold's quote in the WN story criticised Callum for making himself available "when it was not his decision to make". As he is contracted to IRFU until 30 June, someone else raised the likely expectation that his contract prevented him from playing for USA.

Have i missed something.

JP

Quote:
Gold in the WN report
ďHeís not really in a position to make himself available, so Callum wonít be joining us.Ē

I took that to mean that it was his circumstances that prevented his selection, not his choice, hence not his decision.



Whatever you do, do it safely!

 
MESSAGES->author
Re: Adams Dropped
Faithful_City (IP Logged)
17 May, 2018 22:16
Then you have assumed, you like the rest of us have no idea why Callum made hs decision and have stated it is the same as Adams and the WRFU and blame the IRFU.

It could be he has other plans with his family and that they take priority.

As Gold actually stated, it was Callums choice and therefore not an IRFU dictat.

He may well believe settling his family in Worcester before the start of the season is more beneficial to his family AND his new club.

Tough on Gold but hey you canít have it your own way just because you are Gary Gold.

JP

 
Abmatt
Re: Adams Dropped
Abmatt (IP Logged)
18 May, 2018 06:49
Quote:
Faithful_City
As Gold actually stated, it was Callums choice and therefore not an IRFU dictat.

JP

He didnít state it was Callumís choice. He actually stated:


ďHe isnít in a position to make himself available, so Callum wonít be joining usĒ

Like BB I read that as factors outside Callumís control, hence not his decision.

Anyhow itís irrelevant. Heíll miss the internationals then probably get injured in pre-season winking smiley



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 18/05/2018 06:51 by Abmatt.

 
MESSAGES->author
Re: Adams Dropped
Faithful_City (IP Logged)
18 May, 2018 07:16
Just because you read it a certain way and add in your own supposition does not make your interpretation accurate.

Gold did state it was Callumís choice.

Quote:
Gary Gold

We canít go around begging players to play for the team.

ďIf they want to play international rugby and they want to represent their country, then thatís wonderful.

ďThereís got to be a hunger and desire for that.

ďWe canít be running after players.

ď(Callum) made his call, and thatís fine. Itís just disappointing.Ē


The games are within the agreed International window and therefore the IRFU CANNOT stop him playing and his club must release him. Callum decided HE DID NOT WANT TO PLAY. Thatis why Gold highlighted that players need to have the hunger and desire to play for their country. Clearly indicating that Callum did not.

Having a dig at Callum was uncalled for. Callum made the call for reasons which were important to him and his family.

JP

 
Abmatt
Re: Adams Dropped
Abmatt (IP Logged)
18 May, 2018 08:26
At what point did I say my interpretation was accurate or add in my own supposition?

I merely stated my interpretation of a quote from the same article.

If anything it is you JP who are making assumptions as to the reason. I have seen no reference to the decision being for family reasons.

I will probably now be corrected.

 
MESSAGES->author
Re: Adams Dropped
Faithful_City (IP Logged)
18 May, 2018 09:27
Response to a response of different posters makes it a cloudy and convoluted situation, one which is unresolvable as all parties have their own thoughts and interpretations from what was said.

Gold statement was contradictory in the first lace

He is disappointed in Callum pulling out

Callum was not in a position to tour

Callum made the call not to tour.

Smoke and mirrors.

JP

 
B-road
Re: Adams Dropped
18 May, 2018 09:44
Quote:
Faithful_City
Response to a response of different posters makes it a cloudy and convoluted situation, one which is unresolvable as all parties have their own thoughts and interpretations from what was said.
Gold statement was contradictory in the first lace

He is disappointed in Callum pulling out

Callum was not in a position to tour

Callum made the call not to tour.

Smoke and mirrors.

JP

I agree.(Blimey)

Is Callum EQP ?

If so would playing for US have negated that ? Hence he was never in a position to tour ?

 
MESSAGES->author
Re: Adams Dropped
TeflonTed (IP Logged)
18 May, 2018 10:26
Heís Irish qualified by grandparent, US qualified by birth, and has not appeared for either at international 1st or 2nd team level.

Therefore heís not tied.

Heís been living in the UK since 2011/12, (presumption....unless heís been living in the RoI while playing for Ulster), so how about residency for EQP?

Is it the UK, or must it be England?

Dunno.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 18/05/2018 10:27 by TeflonTed.

 
B-road
Re: Adams Dropped
18 May, 2018 10:35
Quote:
KenDoddsDadsDogsDead

Is Callum EQP ?



Quote:
TeflonTed

Dunno.


Thanks

 
MESSAGES->author
Re: Adams Dropped
TeflonTed (IP Logged)
18 May, 2018 13:40
Quote:
KenDoddsDadsDogsDead
Quote:
KenDoddsDadsDogsDead

Is Callum EQP ?



Quote:
TeflonTed

Dunno.


Thanks

You're welcome.

I was hoping somebody would provide a helpful answer.

 
MESSAGES->author
Re: Adams Dropped
Faithful_City (IP Logged)
18 May, 2018 14:02
I would guess that playing in Ulster can only qualify you for Ireland as Lsteris part andarcel of Irsh Rugby.

JP

 
MESSAGES->author
Re: Adams Dropped
TeflonTed (IP Logged)
18 May, 2018 14:24
Quite probably JP, do you possibly need a new iPad?

 
B-road
Re: Adams Dropped
18 May, 2018 14:35
Would he be EQ from previous residence?

 
MESSAGES->author
Re: Adams Dropped
Faithful_City (IP Logged)
18 May, 2018 15:25
Its getting rightup my nose at the moment.

Ambout to check if it has a wee in it.

JP

 
MESSAGES->author
Re: Adams Dropped
Faithful_City (IP Logged)
18 May, 2018 15:47
As far as I can see he played and lived in Worcester 2005 to 2011 which I guess would make him EQ.

JP

 
MESSAGES->author
Re: Adams Dropped
TeflonTed (IP Logged)
18 May, 2018 16:31
Quote:
Faithful_City
Its getting rightup my nose at the moment.
Ambout to check if it has a wee in it.

JP

If youíve done that no wonder itís not working too well.

 
Abmatt
Re: Adams Dropped
Abmatt (IP Logged)
18 May, 2018 18:20
Quote:
TeflonTed
Quote:
Faithful_City
Its getting rightup my nose at the moment.
Ambout to check if it has a wee in it.

JP

If youíve done that no wonder itís not working too well.

Iím more curious as to how it got there. Accidental or deliberate?

 
usa warrior
Re: Adams Dropped
usa warrior (IP Logged)
18 May, 2018 18:26
Quote:
Faithful_City
As far as I can see he played and lived in Worcester 2005 to 2011 which I guess would make him EQ.
JP

Iím sure weíve had this discussion about another player not long ago and didnít come to a consensus. Sticking point was one someone is qualified by residency, then leaves the country, is that status maintained.

 
MSR-Worcester
Re: Adams Dropped
MSR-Worcester (IP Logged)
18 May, 2018 20:07
Iím pretty sure you can only be qualified for the country of your most recent residency. If, of course, you are not qualified by birth or ancestry. I.e. Black not EQP

 
MESSAGES->author
Re: Adams Dropped
Faithful_City (IP Logged)
18 May, 2018 22:47
USA I am pretty sure that is the case.

Horsman quaified for Wales but then joined us he reained is Welch residency qualification.

JP

 
gmem
Re: Adams Dropped
Garym (IP Logged)
19 May, 2018 07:17
Quote:
Faithful_City
USA I am pretty sure that is the case.
Horsman quaified for Wales but then joined us he reained is Welch residency qualification.

JP

But where did he live while playing for us?

 
Abmatt
Re: Adams Dropped
Abmatt (IP Logged)
19 May, 2018 08:34
Wales I think, Abergavenny

 
gmem
Re: Adams Dropped
Garym (IP Logged)
19 May, 2018 09:48
Quote:
Abmatt
Wales I think, Abergavenny

In which case on residency that would have made him eligible fro Wales while playing for us?

 
MESSAGES->author
Re: Adams Dropped
Faithful_City (IP Logged)
19 May, 2018 14:49
once qualified for a it can only be lost if you are ďcapturedĒ by another country

residency can be 36 consecutive mo living in acountry or 10 years ďcumulativeĒ residency

the 36 consecutive months moves to 60 consecutive months in 2020.

A project player is who comes to a club to earn residency fr that couny.

JP

 
MESSAGES->author
Re: Adams Dropped
TeflonTed (IP Logged)
20 May, 2018 08:46
Game update......

According to TRP, seat sales for the Wales in Washington game are not going well. They claim that promoters wonít quote numbers, but are quoted as claiming ďweíre happy ticket sales continue to be strongĒ

The stadium seats 45,423, anyone want to guess at attendance?

As a guide, TRP reminds us that Falcons v Sarries in Philadelphia last season played to 6,271 attendees in a stadium with capacity of 18,500.

The Wales v Boks game is presumeably priced higher...., and the press report also says that Wales will be fielding ďa squad shorn of almost half their Six Nations starting XVĒ.

Iíll go with 10,000.

 
Brummagem Bertie
Re: Adams Dropped
Brummagem Bertie (IP Logged)
20 May, 2018 18:14
An alternative view of the affair, putting PRL firmly in the frame.

Quote:
Article
It's understood positive conversations had taken place between the Welsh Rugby Union and Premier Rugby Limited - the umbrella organisation that looks after the interests of the English clubs - before Gatland named his squad.
Wales were hopeful of getting the players when they wanted them and there is precedent for PRL releasing Wales players for an out-of-window summer Test.

Ahead of the 2016 summer tour of New Zealand, Wales had George North (Northampton), Jamie Roberts (Harlequins), Ross Moriarty (Gloucester) and Rhys Priestland (Bath) all available for a clash with England at Twickenham.

Wales' case for getting hold of their players was enhanced by the fact they're not adding to the players' workload because this is not an extra Test match. Player welfare doesn't come into it.



Whatever you do, do it safely!

 
gmem
Re: Adams Dropped
Garym (IP Logged)
20 May, 2018 19:10
Quote:
Brummagem Bertie
An alternative view of the affair, putting PRL firmly in the frame.
Quote:
Article
It's understood positive conversations had taken place between the Welsh Rugby Union and Premier Rugby Limited - the umbrella organisation that looks after the interests of the English clubs - before Gatland named his squad.
Wales were hopeful of getting the players when they wanted them and there is precedent for PRL releasing Wales players for an out-of-window summer Test.

Ahead of the 2016 summer tour of New Zealand, Wales had George North (Northampton), Jamie Roberts (Harlequins), Ross Moriarty (Gloucester) and uRhys Priestland (Bath) all available for a clash with England at Twickenham.

Wales' case for getting hold of their players was enhanced by the fact they're not adding to the players' workload because this is not an extra Test match. Player welfare doesn't come into it.

Sorry, still blame wales for all of this - the 2016 game was against England so pPRL could hardly refuse aplayers for that when they would be releasing players for England. The precedent is when England are also play8ng outside of the window and that was the case then but not this year

 
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TeflonTed (IP Logged)
20 May, 2018 21:53
You borrowing JPís iPad Gary?

 
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Fiver (IP Logged)
21 May, 2018 08:17
I got bored reading the article, am I correct in my assumption that Gatland selected three premiership players because last time he did it PRL didn't mind? I saw something about WRU and PRL being in contact, but that could mean anything. I'm guessing someone at WRU thought it'd be ok and didn't expressly ask PRL first?

Will this be one of those situations, just like when DR left, where both sides say to ask the other side instead of just being honest.


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