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Dean Ryan causing upset..
Powick Eastander (IP Logged)
07 June, 2018 07:34
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Current England players and several of the Rugby Football Unionís coaches are understood to have been left shocked and upset by the sudden sacking of two coaches of the national teamís under-18 side.

It is thought that John Fletcher and Peter Walton, who have overseen the England Under-18 programme for the past decade, were informed that they were surplus to requirements on Monday evening.
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Telegraph Sport understands that Dean Ryan, who arrived at the RFU as head of international player development almost two years ago, was the chief influence in the decision to let the pair go.

Ryan, effectively in charge of Englandís prolific age-group production line, has already engendered significant change since the start of the 2016 season.

[www.telegraph.co.uk]



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GrubberKk
Re: Dean Ryan causing upset..
GrubberKk (IP Logged)
07 June, 2018 09:02
Single-handedly dismantling the fantastic pathway structure that was in place when he arrived. First removed Shuttleworth, now two of the most respected coaches in player development around.

Biggest threat to the future of England rugby? Dean Ryan. Archaic approach.

 
Brummagem Bertie
Re: Dean Ryan causing upset..
Brummagem Bertie (IP Logged)
07 June, 2018 11:28
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GrubberKk
Single-handedly dismantling the fantastic pathway structure that was in place when he arrived. First removed Shuttleworth, now two of the most respected coaches in player development around.
Biggest threat to the future of England rugby? Dean Ryan. Archaic approach.

I don't like the guy either but really?

The player development pathway he put in place here certainly seems to be producing the goods, so perhaps he knows a bit more about the subject than you give him credit for?



Whatever you do, do it safely!

 
Southstand(again)
Re: Dean Ryan causing upset..
Southstand(again) (IP Logged)
07 June, 2018 11:42
The question I would be asking is the player pathway about success on the field or the end result in terms of progression to senior sides ?

I found Elisavet Valentza of Chester University's recently published study quite interesting in terms of the actual figures of players progressing

The present study explored the efficacy of the English Rugby Football Unionís Elite player Performance Pathway (EPPP) in relation to long-term progression from youth (U18) and adult (U20, NA) teams to senior (Saxon, SNS) age international squads. Retrospective data (2008-2014) from 396 elite male rugby union players was analysed. Progression rates across squads were identified alongside the patterns (number of squads attended, which squads attended and specific developmental trajectories) of progression within the EPPP.
Analyses revealed the proportion of deselected players and selected players for higher age squad selection (U18-U20 48.70%; U20-NA 37%; NA-Saxons 57.10%, U18-U20 51.30%; U20-NA 37%; NA-Saxons 57.10%) with the Saxon squad producing the highest transition rates to the SNS (61.10 %). In most players (98.24%, when n = 396), membership of the EPPP was typified by non-linear progression (i.e. entering the EPPP at a higher age squad level; e.g. at U20 and not at the U18 squad level), players Ďskippingí squads and subsequently reappearing at higher levels, with the remaining players experiencing a linear from youth to senior squads development (from the lowest squad level (U18) to the highest (SNS) within the EPPP, i.e. U18-U20-NA-Saxon-SNS).
Within the SNS (n = 121) of 2014, only 5.80% experienced a linear development, the rest displayed variability with respect to squad pathway trajectories (NA-SNS 0.82%; Saxon-SNS 50.4%; U20-Saxon-SNS 4.95%; NA-Saxon-SNS 12.39%; U18-U20-NA-SNS 2.47%; U18-U20-Saxon-SNS 3.30%; U20-NA-Saxon-SNS 2.47%; side entries 17.35%) within the EPPP.
Findings suggest that senior elite membership emerged through a variable pattern of sequential selection and de-selection processes throughout U18 to senior squads. The data presented here emphasize that athletes follow various pathways within the EPPP and that membership at the U18 or even at the U20 squads is not a prerequisite for senior success.

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Re: Dean Ryan causing upset..
Powick Eastander (IP Logged)
07 June, 2018 12:07
How does that differ from other nations?



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Re: Dean Ryan causing upset..
TeflonTed (IP Logged)
07 June, 2018 16:06
Excellent post SS(a)

 
halfback09
Re: Dean Ryan causing upset..
halfback09 (IP Logged)
07 June, 2018 23:37
I agree heís caused an upset, but maybe he can think of something better. How will he make him self standout even more than by improving whatís already very good. If he fails then we can slate him for doing so

 
GrubberKk
Re: Dean Ryan causing upset..
GrubberKk (IP Logged)
08 June, 2018 08:55
Yes, time will tell. I will zip it for now.

 
FlipFlop
Re: Dean Ryan causing upset..
FlipFlop (IP Logged)
08 June, 2018 14:42
If he causes upset and the 'production line' doesn't work, then i am sure he'll be duly criticised by RFU and ultimately dismissed.

Ultimately, EJ seems to like 'jetting in' players from around the globe to fill what he sees as problem areas in his squad. Not sure if this is a symptom of the past poor performance of the production line process, natural break through rates as detailed above in SSA post, or EJ wanting to make points about the lack of talent in English ranks despite it being the biggest pool of rugby talent, possibly in the world of rugby.

Ultimately i am not as fussed over DR antics now, until such time as it impacts on our lads adversely in the first instance, or doesn't produce the required goods for national selection on a consistent basis.

 
Malvern Man
Re: Dean Ryan causing upset..
Malvern Man (IP Logged)
08 June, 2018 15:26
Does anybody have any idea of how many English born players are internationals for other countries, qualified from ancestry or residence?

 
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Re: Dean Ryan causing upset..
Abberley (IP Logged)
08 June, 2018 22:45
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Malvern Man
Does anybody have any idea of how many English born players are internationals for other countries, qualified from ancestry or residence?

Apart from Scotland/Wales/Ireland,

Josh Matavesi qualified for Fiji
ISTR one or two played for Canada?

Not answering the question posed, but some interesting 2018 Six Nations detail in this article

[www.americasrugbynews.com]

Foreign-born players in 2018 squads:

SCOTLAND (23)
ENGLAND (11)
IRELAND (9)
WALES (9)
ITALY (8)
FRANCE (3)


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