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Brummagem Bertie
Wasps on the move again.
Brummagem Bertie (IP Logged)
25 September, 2018 16:43
From Broadstreet to Old Leamingtonians this time! (Sm14) (Sm16)



Whatever you do, do it safely!

 
neiljk
Re: Wasps on the move again.
neiljk (IP Logged)
25 September, 2018 17:11
Not good news from a Warriors perspective. OLs are in our academy catchment area and at least one of the Cavs from last night, Tom Dodd, is an old leamingtonian.

A lot of the pests live in Leamington and there is plenty of space at the club to develop the facilities, so a good win for those parties. Not so cool for us.

 
ROLLO on tour
Re: Wasps on the move again.
ROLLO (IP Logged)
25 September, 2018 18:34
If it our area how can this be allowed by the RFU?

 
WorcesterSauce
Re: Wasps on the move again.
WorcesterSauce (IP Logged)
25 September, 2018 21:52
And what happens if Coventry come up... who's area does it become then?

 
TVM Rides Again....Again
Re: Wasps on the move again.
TVM Rides Again (IP Logged)
26 September, 2018 07:33
Is ones 'catchment' defined by the physical location of ones training base?

 
usa warrior
Re: Wasps on the move again.
usa warrior (IP Logged)
26 September, 2018 08:15
No, they're established boundaries set out by the RFU.

 
TVM Rides Again....Again
Re: Wasps on the move again.
TVM Rides Again (IP Logged)
26 September, 2018 08:21
Then I wouldn't get to worried yet

 
WorcesterSauce
Re: Wasps on the move again.
WorcesterSauce (IP Logged)
26 September, 2018 08:24
They're established boundaries broadly representing geographical location. I believe all clubs have their county whilst some have surrounding counties too.

If Coventry came up i'd envisage a major rejig in a scenerio where we'd inevitably lose out big time. But as you say, nothingg to worry about yet.

 
usa warrior
Re: Wasps on the move again.
usa warrior (IP Logged)
26 September, 2018 12:36
Coventry don't have an RFU academy in the same way we do. Don't believe it is aligned to Prem status. We retained ours when we were relegated for instance.

 
WorcesterSauce
Re: Wasps on the move again.
WorcesterSauce (IP Logged)
26 September, 2018 12:48
Yep it's all to do with P shares, hence why us and London Irish got to keep ours (I think). If Coventry got promoted they would assumingly get some P shares, particularly if they stayed up for a period of time. If they didnt them the same situation that London Welsh found themselves in may occur whereby they unfairly have to pay into the "academy pot" but arent allowed an academy. So they will literally be paying other teams to breed players to then beat them with.

 
usa warrior
Re: Wasps on the move again.
usa warrior (IP Logged)
26 September, 2018 12:54
Wouldn't assume that. Can't imagine the clubs would be happy to cut the pie in any more pieces and Bristol didn't lose theirs after their multi-year exile from the Prem.

 
WorcesterSauce
Re: Wasps on the move again.
WorcesterSauce (IP Logged)
26 September, 2018 13:14
History tells us if they are in the Prem for any sustained period of time they'll get shares. All clubs up to now have (even Leeds - who later sold theirs.

Unless you honestly thing they could be in the prem for 10+ years and not recieve shares simply because others dont want to share? Wont happen.

 
usa warrior
Re: Wasps on the move again.
usa warrior (IP Logged)
26 September, 2018 13:50
Not much precedent really is there? Just can't envisage a situation where the current 13 would want to lose money, can you?

Someone selling up is a very different situation and not what you were inferring.

 
WorcesterSauce
Re: Wasps on the move again.
WorcesterSauce (IP Logged)
26 September, 2018 15:07
Bristol, Leeds, Rotherham, Worcester, Exeter.... not much precedent?

As before, they will recieve P shares. If they don't they will just take the PRL to court, like London Welsh did, and win, like London Welsh did. It's a shambles of a system to ne honest. Proper old boys club policy.

 
MESSAGES->author
Re: Wasps on the move again.
Faithful_City (IP Logged)
26 September, 2018 16:02
We had to serve 7 seasons to get our shares.

JP

 
usa warrior
Re: Wasps on the move again.
usa warrior (IP Logged)
26 September, 2018 18:37
Just think the current cabal will want to keep them at all costs. Particularly with the money situation as it is currently and the snif of big contracts to be signed for changing the league.

Anyway, not sure why Cov are the next in line anyhow??

 
WorcesterSauce
Re: Wasps on the move again.
WorcesterSauce (IP Logged)
26 September, 2018 21:17
It'll be Pirates and it could be as soon as next season. What seems to have happened in the past is that clubs have bought other clubs P shares (both ex and bris have done this).

Eventually it will inevitably happen that the shares are not fit for purpose because the number of teams that have them that aren't in the prem will continue to rise as more and more clubs get into the league.

There is precedent of clubs taking the PRL to court over their simply unfair rules, so wouldn't rule out it happening again. If Cornish Pirates got promoted and stayed in the league for a few years there is no way they will sit back and say "yep, we're fine with 13 other clubs getting more funding than us along with a certified academy". They'll challenge it legally if they aren't on a level playing field and history indicates that they'll probably win.

 
usa warrior
Re: Wasps on the move again.
usa warrior (IP Logged)
27 September, 2018 06:01
They're top of the league atm if I recall? Not that they could come up this season.

 
w4rriorz1980
Re: Wasps on the move again.
w4rriorz1980 (IP Logged)
27 September, 2018 06:21
Quote:
usa warrior
They're top of the league atm if I recall? Not that they could come up this season.
Not sure of the details but isn't there plans in the pipeline or been approved for a new stadium in Cornwall for the Pirates and other clubs? As they have ambitions to be in the Premiership as the Mennaye is neither suitable for the Premiership nor viable for expansion.


Eats,Shoots And Leaves



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 27/09/2018 09:12 by w4rriorz1980.

 
WorcesterSauce
Re: Wasps on the move again.
WorcesterSauce (IP Logged)
27 September, 2018 08:16
Works are due to start in a couple of months time, with phase one due for completion April next year. I'd say that this season is perhaps one season too soon for them, but at the same time, they may not get a better chance of coming up than this season due to Irish being a bit, well, naff.

It would be interesting to see what they'd plan on doing if they did win the league this season. Pocket the money or perhaps ground share with A Devon based rugby/football side for a season. Incidentally their future sharing partners Truro FC are tennants of Torquay United whilst the ground is being built.

If they do come up you can bet they will get equal money.


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