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smudgerblue (IP Logged)
03 March, 2008 11:41
We are heading towards the end of the fifth year of regional sides within Wales and after the good crowd on Saturday I thought I'd look at the average attendance figures over the five years in the Magners / Celtic League....


Average Attendances
Cardiff Blues - from 4,367 (03/04) to 8,207 (07-08 to date) - 88% increase
Connacht - from 2,426 to 2,008 - 17% decrease
Dragons - from 4,043 to 5,173 - 28% increase
Edinburgh - from 3,469 to 2,682 - 23% decrease
Glasgow - from 3,034 to 1,823 - 40% decrease
Leinster - from 3,173 to 13,627 - 329% increase (!!)
Scarlets - from 5,655 to 7,178 - 27% increase
Munster - from 4,576 to 6,742 - 47% increase
Ospreys - from 3,936 to 8,884 - 126% increase
Ulster - from 6,863 to 9,828 - 43% increase

It's looking pretty healthy for most of the sides - apart from Edinburgh, Glasgow and Connacht.

 
Re: Attendances
jenksta (IP Logged)
03 March, 2008 13:41
Quote:
smudgerblue
We are heading towards the end of the fifth year of regional sides within Wales and after the good crowd on Saturday I thought I'd look at the average attendance figures over the five years in the Magners / Celtic League....

Average Attendances
Cardiff Blues - from 4,367 (03/04) to 8,207 (07-08 to date) - 88% increase
Connacht - from 2,426 to 2,008 - 17% decrease
Dragons - from 4,043 to 5,173 - 28% increase
Edinburgh - from 3,469 to 2,682 - 23% decrease
Glasgow - from 3,034 to 1,823 - 40% decrease
Leinster - from 3,173 to 13,627 - 329% increase (!!)
Scarlets - from 5,655 to 7,178 - 27% increase
Munster - from 4,576 to 6,742 - 47% increase
Ospreys - from 3,936 to 8,884 - 126% increase
Ulster - from 6,863 to 9,828 - 43% increase

It's looking pretty healthy for most of the sides - apart from Edinburgh, Glasgow and Connacht.

I know it will be a hell of alot of work for you, but any chance of a year by year break down. I think that would show at least one of Edinburgh, Glasgow and Connacht increasing recently as interest has risen again. Edinburgh will increase for next season too. I would be very encouraged by what i was seeing if i was an Edinburgh fan at the moment.

 
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smudgerblue (IP Logged)
03 March, 2008 22:39
I've got the year by year breakdown, but don't know how to post a table - can you help?

 
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Reservoir Prop (IP Logged)
04 March, 2008 04:51
Dragons is attendance figures are very very poor. I think only the blindest would pretend that regional rugby has been a success in Rodney Parade. If you compared the present attendance with Tony Brown's Newport, you'd see what a real disaster it has been.

Smydgerblue - if you compare the average attendance for the ML at Rodney Parade last year with this year (so far) then the figure has actually FALLEN. Things are actually getting worse at RP and with their best players leaving in droves, the future is dire.

The sooner the WRU gets out of rugby in Gwent, the better.

 
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Reservoir Prop (IP Logged)
04 March, 2008 05:00
(failed attempt to post a table(Sm31))



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 04/03/2008 05:03 by Reservoir Prop.

 
Re: Attendances
Reservoir Prop (IP Logged)
04 March, 2008 05:06
Quote:
jenksta

I know it will be a hell of alot of work for you, but any chance of a year by year break down. I think that would show at least one of Edinburgh, Glasgow and Connacht increasing recently as interest has risen again. Edinburgh will increase for next season too. I would be very encouraged by what i was seeing if i was an Edinburgh fan at the moment.

Edinburgh's average last season was 2,685 - this season has actually fallen (marginally). Glagow's is also 200 down on last season. SRU-run teams in Scotland are a complete failure. T

hey've completely failed to capture the public's imagination and completely failed to attract new rugby supporters.

In the 2003-4 season an average of 8,652 watched home games in Scotland - this season, the average is 4,508 .... DOWN on last season.

Professional rugby in Scotland is dying on it's @rse thanks to the blazers at the SRU.

 
Re: Attendances
S A Brained (IP Logged)
05 March, 2008 09:16
How do they compare to "pre regions"? taking in to accout the number of people watching the WSI Matches then and now. Inlcuding Ponty , Aberavon, Ebbw Vale etc?

 
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Cardiff Boo's (IP Logged)
05 March, 2008 12:12
I would be suprised to see any considerable differecne. We seem to get far less full houses compared to the pre regions era.

 
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smudgerblue (IP Logged)
05 March, 2008 12:56
We didn't get many full houses for the 5 years before the game went regional...Bath, Saracens....

 
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Cardiff Boo's (IP Logged)
05 March, 2008 14:03
Llanelli, Ponty, Newport etc. Maybe some false memory on my part but I seem to remember these games being busy. The Bath games we even introduce more seats.

 
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S A Brained (IP Logged)
05 March, 2008 22:13
The point is you need to compare the averages of:

1; Cardiff And Ponty (pre pregions {PR})to that of the Blues.
2; Neath, Swansea Bridgend & Aberavon (PR) to the ospreys
3; Newport and Ebbw Vale (PR) to The NGDs
4; Llanelli to the Scarlets

to see if we are holding support in the top flight. After all if there are less teams you would expect some support to migrate and tus boost the teams to which they have migrated.

So who has these figures?

 
Re: Attendances
jenksta (IP Logged)
05 March, 2008 22:25
Quote:
S A Brained
The point is you need to compare the averages of:
1; Cardiff And Ponty (pre pregions {PR})to that of the Blues.
2; Neath, Swansea Bridgend & Aberavon (PR) to the ospreys
3; Newport and Ebbw Vale (PR) to The NGDs
4; Llanelli to the Scarlets

to see if we are holding support in the top flight. After all if there are less teams you would expect some support to migrate and tus boost the teams to which they have migrated.

So who has these figures?
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The Celtic league website www.magnersleague.com has the figures for pre regional. The attendances and the results are dire. Looking back there can be no doubt that the concentration of talent into 4 teams has dramatically improved where we would be now without it.

 
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Cardiff Boo's (IP Logged)
06 March, 2008 09:46
Cheers Jenksta.

 
Re: Attendances
06 March, 2008 17:57
Bearing in mind that the Beeb is showing far more games these days than ever before, a rise in the last 5 years pretty good. As for pre regions, games were rarely covered back then, certianly back early 90's.



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Re: Attendances
S A Brained (IP Logged)
06 March, 2008 23:27
Ok I've looked at the figure for the two seasons prior to regions.
Cardiff Blues; "made up" from the Cardiff and Pontypridd clubs.
Newport Gwent Dragons; "made up" from the Caerphilly, Ebbw Vale and Newport Clubs.
Llanelli Scarlets; “made up” of Llanelli.
The Ospreys; "made up" from Bridgend, Neath and Swansea

Let’s look at each:-

Cardiff Blues
In 2001-2 the average for Cardiff was 5500 and for Ponty it was 4067 making 9567 combined
In 2002-3 the average for Cardiff was 7000 and for Ponty it was 5880 making 12880 combined
In 2003-4 the average for the region was 4367
In 2007-8 (To date) the average for the region is 8207
So the Cardiff Blues average is 1360 down on 2001-2and 4673 Down on 2002-3
Llanelli Scarlets
In 2001-2 the average for Llanelli was 3625
In 2002-3 the average for Cardiff was 4941
In 2003-4 the average for the region was 5655
In 2007-8 (To date) the average for the region is 7178
So the Llanelli Scarlets average is 3553 UP on 2001-2and 2237 UP on 2002-3
Newport Gwent Dragons
In 2001-2 the average for Caerphilly was 2300 and for Ebbw Vale it was 2825 and for Newport it was 6082 making 11207 combined
In 2001-2 the average for Caerphilly was 950 and for Ebbw Vale it was 1000 and for Newport it was 6121 making 8071 combined
In 2003-4 the average for the region was 4043
In 2007-8 (To date) the average for the region is 5173
So the NGDs average is 6034 down on 2001-2and 2898 Down on 2002-3
The Ospreys
In 2001-2 the average for Bridgend was 3483 and for Neath it was 3625 for Swansea 3250 making 10358 combined
In 2002-3 the average for Bridgend was 2625 and for Neath it was 4594 for Swansea 2750 making 9969 combined
In 2003-4 the average for the region was 3936
In 2007-8 (To date) the average for the region is 8884
So the Osprey average is 1474 down on 2001-2and 1085 Down on 2002-3

So to recap.

It’s Average DOWN at The Cardiff Blues!
It’s Average DOWN at The Newport Gwent Dragons!
It’s Average Down at The Ospreys!
It’ Average UP at Llanelli Scarlets.

Hardly fits in with the comment “…Looking back there can be no doubt that the concentration of talent into 4 teams has dramatically improved where we would be now without it…” does it Jenksta!

 
Re: Attendances
smudgerblue (IP Logged)
07 March, 2008 00:27
When comparing the average attendances of the the regions to the total attendances of the clubs pre-regional rugby it is very difficult - comparing apples'n'pears.

So many fans were upset (p**sed off) at the changes and haven't come back into attending regional games - no great surprise.

Also, as mentioned above there is far more TV coverage of games now and the kick-off times have also changed radically.

However, changes had to be made - you can argue about how this was done and how it should of been done, but that is water under the bridge.

The reason for posting the averages was to show in general that the Magners League is attracting more spectators - I was surprised at the attendance last Saturday over 11,000. Thought the the game had a high level of intensity as well.

 
Re: Attendances
jenksta (IP Logged)
07 March, 2008 00:29
Yes it does. You really still think we would be competeing against even the Scots with 9 teams? Look at the results from the pre regional Magners league.

RESULTS

Apoligies if i missed some (im tired)

First year of Magners.

Fri 17 Aug 19:30 Ulster 30 - 13 Swansea Ravenhill 6,000
Sat 18 Aug 14:30 Cardiff Rugby 3 - 6 Connacht Arms Park 4,000
Fri 24 Aug 19:05 Llanelli 17 - 19 Leinster Stradey Park 4,000
Tue 28 Aug 19:00 Leinster 55 - 13 Ebbw Vale Donnybrook 3,200
Tue 28 Aug 19:00 Ulster 26 - 27 Llanelli Ravenhill 8,000
Tue 28 Aug 19:30 Edinburgh Rugby 20 - 32 Neath Myreside 3,075
Wed 29 Aug 19:00 Bridgend 50 - 15 Glasgow Rugby Brewery Field 4,300
Fri 31 Aug 19:05 Neath 30 - 22 Munster The Gnoll 2,250
Fri 31 Aug 19:30 Glasgow Rugby 59 - 14 Pontypridd Hughenden 4,110
Fri 7 Sep 18:15 Connacht 28 - 10 Neath Sportsground 550
Fri 7 Sep 19:05 Ebbw Vale 27 - 29 Ulster Eugene Cross Park 2,000
Fri 7 Sep 19:30 Edinburgh Rugby 27 - 20 Caerphilly Myreside 2,648
Fri 7 Sep 19:35 Munster 29 - 21 Newport Musgrave Park 4,560
Sat 8 Sep 14:30 Swansea 13 - 21 Glasgow Rugby St Helen's 2,500
Sat 8 Sep 19:30 Bridgend 32 - 51 Leinster Brewery Field 2,650
Tue 11 Sep 19:00 Leinster 52 - 14 Pontypridd Donnybrook 3,056
Tue 11 Sep 19:15 Caerphilly 18 - 61 Munster Virginia Park 1,500
Tue 11 Sep 19:30 Glasgow Rugby 58 - 22 Ebbw Vale Hughenden 2,179
Tue 11 Sep 19:30 Newport 14 - 16 Connacht Rodney Parade 5,821
Wed 12 Sep 19:30 Ulster 46 - 14 Bridgend Ravenhill 8,000
Fri 14 Sep 19:30 Glasgow Rugby 15 - 9 Llanelli Hughenden 5,375
Sat 15 Sep 13:30 Munster 51 - 10 Cardiff Rugby Musgrave Park 6,055
Sat 15 Sep 14:30 Pontypridd 20 - 29 Ulster Sardis Road 3,200
Sat 15 Sep 14:30 Swansea 18 - 34 Leinster St Helen's 4,000
Sun 16 Sep 15:00 Connacht 62 - 0 Caerphilly Sportsground 455
Fri 30 Nov 19:05 Ulster 38 - 29 Neath Ravenhill 12,000
Fri 30 Nov 19:35 Leinster 34 - 22 Newport Donnybrook 7,300
Sat 1 Dec 17:30 Munster 13 - 6 Llanelli Thomond Park

So 26-4 to the Scots and Irish agaisnt the Welsh. Pretty Damning! and look at some of the results. Connacht winning 60-0! Even if it was against Caerphilly

Second year of Magners.

Fri 30 Aug 19:15 Ebbw Vale 0 - 19 Ulster Eugene Cross Park
Fri 30 Aug 19:30 Edinburgh Rugby 30 - 20 Swansea Meadowbank 3,141
Fri 30 Aug 19:35 Leinster 31 - 18 Pontypridd Donnybrook 4,500
Sat 31 Aug 14:30 Cardiff Rugby 35 - 44 Glasgow Rugby Arms Park 7,000
Sat 31 Aug 19:05 Llanelli 13 - 20 Munster Stradey Park
Fri 6 Sep 18:00 Connacht 23 - 22 Cardiff Rugby Sportsground 2,500
Fri 6 Sep 19:35 Munster 48 - 23 Ebbw Vale Musgrave Park 3,500
Sat 7 Sep 14:30 Bridgend 41 - 9 The Borders Brewery Field 3,000
Fri 13 Sep 19:30 The Borders 15 - 18 Cardiff Rugby Mansfield Park 4,213
Sat 14 Sep 14:30 Newport 25 - 31 Glasgow Rugby Rodney Parade 4,500
Sat 14 Sep 14:30 Swansea 38 - 10 Ulster St Helen's 2,500
Fri 20 Sep 17:45 Connacht 18 - 12 Newport Sportsground 3,000
Fri 20 Sep 19:05 Pontypridd 28 - 27 The Borders Sardis Road 4,600
Fri 20 Sep 19:30 Glasgow Rugby 47 - 11 Bridgend Hughenden 4,500
Fri 20 Sep 19:30 Ulster 17 - 13 Neath Ravenhill 9,500
Fri 20 Sep 19:35 Munster 38 - 27 Swansea Musgrave Park 8,000
Sat 21 Sep 14:30 Caerphilly 32 - 66 Edinburgh Rugby Virginia Park 800
Sat 21 Sep 17:30 Cardiff Rugby 30 - 17 Leinster Arms Park 6,500
Fri 27 Sep 19:30 Edinburgh Rugby 38 - 14 Llanelli Meadowbank 3,890
Sat 28 Sep 14:30 Bridgend 23 - 24 Connacht Brewery Field 2,000
Sat 28 Sep 14:30 Pontypridd 34 - 28 Glasgow Rugby Sardis Road 5,500
Fri 4 Oct 19:35 Leinster 42 - 14 Newport Donnybrook 6,000
Sat 5 Oct 14:30 Caerphilly 15 - 67 Ulster Virginia Park 750
Sat 5 Oct 14:30 Ebbw Vale 20 - 30 Edinburgh Rugby Eugene Cross Park
Sat 5 Oct 15:00 Connacht 0 - 40 Pontypridd Sportsground 3,000
Sat 5 Oct 17:30 Neath 19 - 35 Munster The Gnoll 4,000
Fri 25 Oct 19:30 Edinburgh Rugby 27 - 13 Neath Meadowbank 3,171
Fri 25 Oct 19:30 Munster 41 - 0 Caerphilly Thomond Park 2,532
Fri 25 Oct 19:35 Ulster 16 - 9 Llanelli Ravenhill 10,500
Sat 26 Oct 14:30 Bridgend 18 - 39 Leinster Brewery Field 1,000
Sat 26 Oct 14:30 Newport 24 - 8 The Borders Rodney Parade 5,700
Sat 30 Nov 17:30 Edinburgh Rugby 22 - 26 Cardiff Rugby Meadowbank 3,918
Sat 1 Feb 14:45 Munster 37 - 17 Neath Millennium Stadium 30,076

24-9 I think. Again pretty Damning. Our win increase was mainly due to the addition of the Borders who hadnt played any rugby together when they went into the season! Do you think we would be able to compete with 9 welsh teams still?


I'm not saying i agree with what was done and what has happened since but we do not have the talent in Wales to support so many teams. We struggle to have 2 and a half teams even now.

ATTENDANCES.
Celtic Warriors attendances were? Removing Bridgend and Ponty from the average at the Ospreys and Cardiff in the first season. The death of the Warriors was down to a lack of support and that affected the following seasons and is still holding back Cardiff as can be seen from this thread.

The Dragons has fallen apart, the attendance has dropped since even the first year as the Dragons. Mess. Cardiff has improved, Ok since Ponty were forced on us it has dropped but they were never going to come and support their local rivals were they.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 07/03/2008 00:39 by jenksta.

 
Re: Attendances
jenksta (IP Logged)
07 March, 2008 00:33
Quote:
smudgerblue
When comparing the average attendances of the the regions to the total attendances of the clubs pre-regional rugby it is very difficult - comparing apples'n'pears.
So many fans were upset (p**sed off) at the changes and haven't come back into attending regional games - no great surprise.

Also, as mentioned above there is far more TV coverage of games now and the kick-off times have also changed radically.

However, changes had to be made - you can argue about how this was done and how it should of been done, but that is water under the bridge.

The reason for posting the averages was to show in general that the Magners League is attracting more spectators - I was surprised at the attendance last Saturday over 11,000. Thought the the game had a high level of intensity as well.

I think the games against Munster, Leinster and the Welsh teams are of a good intensity. The same sort of intensity you see in the GP. The problem is the other teams (Ulster aside, as prior to this season they always compete), but they are bringing the intensity up. Edinburgh have improved all season under Robinson, and if he stays in the job will only increase the intensity up front. Connacht have a high intensity at home, and brought a real intensity over here this year too. The problem is the long gaps and the lack of intensity on a consitant basis from the Scots away from home and the likes of Connacht away and the Dragons when not playing Welsh teams.

 
Re: Attendances
smudgerblue (IP Logged)
07 March, 2008 06:38
I don't think we'll ever get away from the long gaps unless the international fixtures are moved to the end of the season.

However, I'm a fan of the six nations being where it is and the fact that games are not played on international weekends.

 
Re: Attendances
S A Brained (IP Logged)
07 March, 2008 08:28
The simple fact remains that the regions are notattracting to "top" filght rugby the fans thatwere going before so clearly Jenksta comment is wrong. There is still a long way to go.

If you remove the Ponty & Bridgend figure fornm the first regional season the Cardiff Blues figure go from a 7000 average down to 4367. Hearly halving the support from the previous season! Th Ospreys (Neath Swansea then) went from a combined 7219 down , again to nearly half that at 3936.

however, the big figures to consider are 2002-3 and this season. Time for Moffo's 4 year plan to bear fruit!

We had peaks and troughs in playing standards in the 100+ years before regions so results for one season will vary. It still remains true that even allowing for the "poor" draw of teams like Caerphilly and Ebbw Vale the regions do not attract fans. Why?



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 07/03/2008 08:50 by S A Brained.

 
Re: Attendances
jenksta (IP Logged)
07 March, 2008 11:52
Quote:
S A Brained
The simple fact remains that the regions are notattracting to "top" filght rugby the fans thatwere going before so clearly Jenksta comment is wrong. There is still a long way to go.
If you remove the Ponty & Bridgend figure fornm the first regional season the Cardiff Blues figure go from a 7000 average down to 4367. Hearly halving the support from the previous season! Th Ospreys (Neath Swansea then) went from a combined 7219 down , again to nearly half that at 3936.

however, the big figures to consider are 2002-3 and this season. Time for Moffo's 4 year plan to bear fruit!

We had peaks and troughs in playing standards in the 100+ years before regions so results for one season will vary. It still remains true that even allowing for the "poor" draw of teams like Caerphilly and Ebbw Vale the regions do not attract fans. Why?

I would say lack of away fans doesnt help. Attendances are clearly on the increase every year. But as much as we need the attendances to improve, the cut in teams was as much to do with improving the standard of rugby the Welsh teams played. This has been achived (looking at the pre regional results).

 
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S A Brained (IP Logged)
08 March, 2008 00:02
The same away fans were involved. Face it regional rugby is still playing catch up with the clubs.

As You well know rugby results go in cycles. Wales had 2 golden periods with relatively barren periods in between. It happens. If you want to argue results the regions' results in Europe do not support you position.

 
Re: Attendances
S A Brained (IP Logged)
08 March, 2008 08:22
[quote ]
Re: Attendances
Posted by: jenksta (IP Logged)
Date: 05 March, 2008 22:25

“…Looking back there can be no doubt that the concentration of talent into 4 teams has dramatically improved where we would be now without it…”


Re: Attendances
Posted by: smudgerblue (IP Logged)
Date: 07 March, 2008 00:27

When comparing the average attendances of the the regions to the total attendances of the clubs pre-regional rugby it is very difficult - comparing apples'n'pears.

So many fans were upset (p**sed off) at the changes and haven't come back into attending regional games - no great surprise.

Also, as mentioned above there is far more TV coverage of games now and the kick-off times have also changed radically.

However, changes had to be made - you can argue about how this was done and how it should of been done, but that is water under the bridge.

The reason for posting the averages was to show in general that the Magners League is attracting more spectators - I was surprised at the attendance last Saturday over 11,000. Thought the the game had a high level of intensity as well.


Re: Attendances
Posted by: jenksta (IP Logged)
Date: 07 March, 2008 00:29

Yes it does. You really still think we would be competeing against even the Scots with 9 teams? Look at the results from the pre regional Magners league.


There interesting posts that reveal a truth. Post 1 (5/3/08) states that attendances have improved. So, and as the thread heading confirms, we are talking “Bums on seats & feet on terraces”.

Sudgerblue explains why there a fewer fans. This does not support the argument that in terms of support things are better rather the opposite!

Jensta then talks about the side’s ability to “compete”. So quietly admitting his original premise was wrong and shifting the argument into a more nebulas area.

The facts are that regional rugby in the form of the Magners League is attracting smaller attendances than the clubs who “formed” the regions attracted. The performance debate is a different issue. Before having that it would be nice if you could admit you are wrong on this one!

 
Re: Attendances
jenksta (IP Logged)
08 March, 2008 17:03
Quote:
jenksta
Quote:
S A Brained
The point is you need to compare the averages of:
1; Cardiff And Ponty (pre pregions {PR})to that of the Blues.
2; Neath, Swansea Bridgend & Aberavon (PR) to the ospreys
3; Newport and Ebbw Vale (PR) to The NGDs
4; Llanelli to the Scarlets

to see if we are holding support in the top flight. After all if there are less teams you would expect some support to migrate and tus boost the teams to which they have migrated.

So who has these figures?
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The Celtic league website www.magnersleague.com has the figures for pre regional. The attendances and the results are dire. Looking back there can be no doubt that the concentration of talent into 4 teams has dramatically improved where we would be now without it.

I never concentrated solely on attendances, i never specified what i was talking about in the sentence you keep highlighting (dropping the previous sentence which is just as important to the context as to what i said), i haven't shifted the what im talking about. I talked about results because it simply hasn't been discussed on this thread. Its all very well talking about the attendances (which i concede appear to have dropped upon regional Rugby) but we went to fewer teams mainly because of the way our teams were getting beaten week in week out by most teams we played.

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Re: Attendances
Posted by: jenksta (IP Logged)
Date: 07 March, 2008 00:29

Yes it does. You really still think we would be competing against even the Scots with 9 teams? Look at the results from the pre regional Magners league.

Was a responce to your post, not smudgers, he posted while i was writing mine. Apologies for any confusion on that front.

 
Re: Attendances
S A Brained (IP Logged)
08 March, 2008 18:52
Regarding performances. Certain teams, Caerphilly and Ebbw Vale and t oa lesser degree Bridgend and Newport were never at the races in the ML where as Cardiff Swansea Llanelli were in the mix. Just the same as now. Have we individually really got stronger? I'm not too sure there is any greater improvement that a general cyclic one. Go back to the early years of the HEC and we gave Ulster a few tonkings. Boom and bust is the order of the day in sport. I really remain to be convinced of a "regionally" inspired turn of the corner. Of course what we have is 2 super clubs one merger and a fallen cash starved sleeping (possibly comatose giant).

 
Re: Attendances
Blues R Us4 (IP Logged)
09 March, 2008 16:12
Well if we're comparing crowds from pre-regionalism, should we also factor in current crowds at Ponty and Cardiff..?

I think you will then find that the total number of fans actually watching the game has increased

 
Re: Attendances
Rocky (IP Logged)
09 March, 2008 16:40
Quote:
Blues R Us4
Well if we're comparing crowds from pre-regionalism, should we also factor in current crowds at Ponty and Cardiff..?
I think you will then find that the total number of fans actually watching the game has increased

I haven't read the whole thread, but the Rags support is basically all people who watch the 1sts. Most get in for free.

 
Re: Attendances
jenksta (IP Logged)
09 March, 2008 19:03
Quote:
Rocky
Quote:
Blues R Us4
Well if we're comparing crowds from pre-regionalism, should we also factor in current crowds at Ponty and Cardiff..?
I think you will then find that the total number of fans actually watching the game has increased

I haven't read the whole thread, but the Rags support is basically all people who watch the 1sts. Most get in for free.

Alot are. I wouldn't say it is all the people though and it certainly isnt the case with the majority of Ponty fans!



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Re: Attendances
Rocky (IP Logged)
10 March, 2008 00:13
Quote:
jenksta
Quote:
Rocky
Quote:
Blues R Us4
Well if we're comparing crowds from pre-regionalism, should we also factor in current crowds at Ponty and Cardiff..?
I think you will then find that the total number of fans actually watching the game has increased

I haven't read the whole thread, but the Rags support is basically all people who watch the 1sts. Most get in for free.

Alot are. I wouldn't say it is all the people though and it certainly isnt the case with the majority of Ponty fans!

Of course, not all. I suspect the vast majority of home Rags supporters are in that bracket though.

 
Re: Attendances
S A Brained (IP Logged)
10 March, 2008 11:46
The people who watch the CRFC "premiership team watched the rags before and then the U21 etc so they are not bat of the equation for "top Draw" rugby. the people who now watch Premiership rugby in Ponty are those lost to the "Top level". Which is my point. The top gamer is being watch be less and those people hare watching other levels or have gone from the game. Hardly a success if people prefer to watch games involving Bedwas & Maesteg etc than Munster Leinster and the like is it!

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