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Radio Cornwall today 13/02/18
Porthusek Pirate (IP Logged)
13 February, 2018 13:17
Lawrence REED discussing Hall for Cornwall and S4C, regarding the allocation of public funds for both, on his show today amongst other things.

I have only just logged on but might be worth listening to for public opinion if they get any callers.

 
Re: Radio Cornwall today 13/02/18
1spy (IP Logged)
13 February, 2018 14:04
Also announced that Hall for Cornwall has all the £20 million in place for its refurbishment.The Local Enterprise Board funded £2 million pounds of taxpayers money. Cornwall Council have also given a substantial sum of funding.

 
Re: Radio Cornwall today 13/02/18
Pirate15 (IP Logged)
13 February, 2018 15:52
£3M out of the capital investment budget has been awarded to the Hall for Cornwall refurbishment. There have been numerous projects over the years supported by grants from the Council capital investment budget so what is wrong with the S4C asking for their support? This is not money that can be used for hospitals, social care or education. Take a look on the club website or this forum and read the S4C updates. There is a frequently asked questions document that answers a lot of what is often raised on radio Cornwall regarding location, traffic congestion, multi-use facilities and running costs . The Pirates are going to underwrite the stadium management plan to the tune of £300k for 10 years. How many other projects have had that built in guarantee ?
It is up to us supporters of the S4C to get this information out into the public domain. We to need to challenge the misleading comments and win the public vote.

 
Re: Radio Cornwall today 13/02/18
1spy (IP Logged)
13 February, 2018 16:29
Did the decision to grant £3M out of the Cornwall Councils capital investment budget awarded to the Hall for Cornwall go before the Full Council to vote on?

 
Re: Radio Cornwall today 13/02/18
Pirate15 (IP Logged)
13 February, 2018 18:14
Here is a breakdown of the funding sources for the Hall for Cornwall. As you can see if we got the same level of funding from Cornwall Council and HM Treasury we could start the stadium build.
Funds have been secured from the following;

• Arts Council England: £5m

• Cornwall Council: £3.19m

• European Regional Development Fund (ERDF): £2.1m

• Heritage Lottery Fund: £2.85m

• HM Treasury: £2m

• Local Enterprise Partnership: £2m

• Trusts and Foundations/donations: £1m

£1.7 million is outstanding and this will be raised through a combination of private fundraising, crowdfunding and via trusts and foundations. Recent support has come from private and corporate donations, including the Alex Patrick Trust.

 
Re: Radio Cornwall today 13/02/18
Porthusek Pirate (IP Logged)
13 February, 2018 19:07
Unfortunately after I started this thread I was unable to continue listening to RC, the one caller I did hear started saying that Langarth was the wrong location and that no public funding should be allocated until the stadium was moved more centrally in the county. I was really surprised to hear that at this stage.

That caller clearly knew very little about the history or the current status of S4C and what has been going on for the current location to have been identified. IF most of the Cornish public are so ill informed that does not bode well.

In my view that show was a very good opportunity for someone from the S4C project or dare I say possibly some of the more informed posters on this forum (Pirate15 and 1Spy for example - hope you don't mind me mentioning you, there has to be many others) to contribute to Larry's show and put the S4C side forward.

That may have happened I don't know but is the message really getting out there?

 
Re: Radio Cornwall today 13/02/18
1908 (IP Logged)
18 February, 2018 17:26
Whilst all good and positive facts, argument and information well presented on Radio Cornwall is to be welcomed, it is the Council we need to convince.

I think Adam Paynter...leader of the Council...is very pro Stadium. If it goes to a full Council vote then there are still some very narrow minded anti-Stadium individuals who we need to convince of its value.

It has been a long and frustrating struggle that we need to keep going and let us all hope and pray that the right decision is made.

 
Re: Radio Cornwall today 13/02/18
cornishbob (IP Logged)
18 February, 2018 17:46
It would be interesting to see how much the council has put into 'cultural' projects, like the Hall for Cornwall, Eden, Tate St Ives and Heartlands whilst closing some leisure centres and farming out the rest to private companies. I'm not saying that any of those projects didn't deserve the funding but a level playing field (no pun intended) for all is not too much to expect is it? Not long now before we will know the decision of the council, I can only hope that those who like art and music will also see that they can enjoy the same at the S4C and help this wonderful project reach fruition..

 
Re: Radio Cornwall today 13/02/18
*Stalwart (IP Logged)
18 February, 2018 17:54
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cornishbob
It would be interesting to see how much the council has put into 'cultural' projects, like the Hall for Cornwall, Eden, Tate St Ives and Heartlands whilst closing some leisure centres and farming out the rest to private companies. I'm not saying that any of those projects didn't deserve the funding but a level playing field (no pun intended) for all is not too much to expect is it? Not long now before we will know the decision of the council, I can only hope that those who like art and music will also see that they can enjoy the same at the S4C and help this wonderful project reach fruition..
About £1.3m has been spent The Eden Project by Cornwall Council in three-and-a-half years. The Eden Project is an educational charity and a social enterprise. Its total capital cost to date has been some £132 million.

Cornwall Council has allocated £1,637,093 of capital grant funding contributions to Heartlands. Of this sum, £1,213,000 was the land value for the site on which Heartlands has been developed and £424,093 was
capital funding. The overall project cost is £35,317,257.

Cornwall Council created Tate St Ives in 1993 and has supported the project to extend and refurbish the gallery from the beginning, providing £4.5m of capital funding towards acquiring the land for the extension, designing and delivering this stunning new gallery. The new extension cost £20 million.

 
Re: Radio Cornwall today 13/02/18
1spy (IP Logged)
19 February, 2018 09:57
Unfortunately the Hall for Cornwall has to make 100 staff redundant whilst the 2 year construction is ongoing plus 100 volunteers.

 
Re: Radio Cornwall today 13/02/18
*Stalwart (IP Logged)
19 February, 2018 11:06
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1spy
Unfortunately the Hall for Cornwall has to make 100 staff redundant whilst the 2 year construction is ongoing plus 100 volunteers.
That's tough on those people, but it doesn't change the fact that CC are putting a huge amount of money into it.

 
Re: Radio Cornwall today 13/02/18
Corsair (IP Logged)
19 February, 2018 12:04
To ask the council to fund 43% of A development is where the problem lies. Especially when the mantra of "no council money" was repeated time and again. The Hall for Cornwall is being used as an argument for funding by some supporters, but as the council is supplying 16% of the regeneration funding this fails to impact on those of us that feel the S4C project is an expensive dream for a rugby team that is finding it increasingly difficult to compete both on and off the pitch. I'm sorry but I don't think 6 million is a wise investment when money is so tight in every area of governance.

 
Re: Radio Cornwall today 13/02/18
*Stalwart (IP Logged)
19 February, 2018 12:24
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Corsair
To ask the council to fund 43% of A development is where the problem lies. Especially when the mantra of "no council money" was repeated time and again. The Hall for Cornwall is being used as an argument for funding by some supporters, but as the council is supplying 16% of the regeneration funding this fails to impact on those of us that feel the S4C project is an expensive dream for a rugby team that is finding it increasingly difficult to compete both on and off the pitch. I'm sorry but I don't think 6 million is a wise investment when money is so tight in every area of governance.
You are missing the point by describing S4C as an expensive dream for a rugby team - it is not that at all. Have a look at the S4C website to see what the vision is - it's far more than a rugby stadium. The reason the Pirates are finding it difficult to compete is purely because of the stadium criteria - we cannot progress while we are at The Mennaye - but with a new stadium we can generate more income, recruit more players, attract more supporters and be extremely competitive in this league. The fact that the council can, and do, fund these big arts and culture projects is, surely an argument that sport should be treated fairly. We are always being told about inactivity and obesity, especially amongst the young - this is a chance to put some investment into a state of the art facility that will inspire people to take up sport.Can you name any sports facilities, or organisations that have received anything like the figures we are talking about for the Tate, Heartlands, Hall For Cornwall and Eden?

 
Re: Radio Cornwall today 13/02/18
cornishbob (IP Logged)
19 February, 2018 13:15
Corsiar, I see your point but as Stalwart has said it's much more than just a rugby and football stadium. Lets not lose sight that if the plans and goalposts weren't constantly either being moved (so far 8 years worth), put on hold or blatantly blocked by certain councillors there would by now have been a fully funded stadium up and running. I have never known a project like this take so long anywhere in the country, in fact councils up and down the land have not only granted permission for stadia such as this but have backed it and got it built why we have been waiting for some fool or fools on the council to get up to date with what this is all about. My fear is despite the best efforts of some forward thinking councillors this will not get a penny in funding therefore relegating Cornwall back into the dark ages.

 
Re: Radio Cornwall today 13/02/18
piratepilot (IP Logged)
19 February, 2018 13:28
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cornishbob
Corsiar, I see your point but as Stalwart has said it's much more than just a rugby and football stadium. Lets not lose sight that if the plans and goalposts weren't constantly either being moved (so far 8 years worth), put on hold or blatantly blocked by certain councillors there would by now have been a fully funded stadium up and running. I have never known a project like this take so long anywhere in the country, in fact councils up and down the land have not only granted permission for stadia such as this but have backed it and got it built why we have been waiting for some fool or fools on the council to get up to date with what this is all about. My fear is despite the best efforts of some forward thinking councillors this will not get a penny in funding therefore relegating Cornwall back into the dark ages.

This is the very worrying truth. If not for a handful of stubborn and narcissistic councilors we'd be enjoying a shiny new stadium every fortnight, rather than the regular bog that is the Mennaye. Don't get me wrong, I love the Mennaye, but seeing how vulnerable it has been to the weather this year has hit us with a hard truth. It's either stadium, or more postponed matches, resulting in massive loss of revenue and an even less sustainable Pirates. If this stadium doesn't go up soon I worry for the Pirates' future.



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Re: Radio Cornwall today 13/02/18
1spy (IP Logged)
19 February, 2018 14:36
Without the Stadium Truro City Football Club will not have a ground for the future. Cornwall could be one the only Counties in the UK without professional Rugby and Football Clubs. How embarrassing can than get for Councillors and our Six MPs?

 
Re: Radio Cornwall today 13/02/18
POSTS (IP Logged)
19 February, 2018 15:15
What I do not understand is where Inox fit into all this.They promised Retail units would help fund the stadium.Now all of a sudden there is no takers for their retail units.Surely they must have done some huge investigation into proposed retailers joining the project with them.

 
Re: Radio Cornwall today 13/02/18
bolingey pirate (IP Logged)
19 February, 2018 15:46
Good point POSTS. Where are Inox these days...we don't hear much about the...anyone know ???

 
Re: Radio Cornwall today 13/02/18
Pirate15 (IP Logged)
19 February, 2018 16:07
Unfortunately it is a buyers market,there are numerous retail/housing developments in the County with planning permission but very little appetite to build on them due to the financial uncertainty in the market. This is not the fault of INOX or any of the stadium partners it is down to market forces. No-one is saying that the retail/housing developments won't happen its just that its very unlikely in the preferred timescale of September 2019 to suit the ambitions of both the Pirates and Truro City.

 
Re: Radio Cornwall today 13/02/18
Corsair (IP Logged)
19 February, 2018 16:13
Cornish Bob/ Posts. Your comments are one of the reasons that I find it hard to buy in to the project. I may be wrong but I believe the truth has never been completely told and now that is coming back to haunt the many who believed all was good. It was only a few months ago we were told/ promised the money was all in place. What a load of ????? that was! Inbox as you say have completely disappeared with no statement of explanation from anyone. Mind you it gets harder to believe what is released as on numerous occasions this proves to be totally spurious. Sadly I also feel the inclusion of Truro City is little more than a sop to attempt to make the project more appealing to the public at large.

 
Re: Radio Cornwall today 13/02/18
1spy (IP Logged)
19 February, 2018 17:51
The inclusion of Truro FC was was not"a sop" they decided not to build their own Stadium but instead share the Stadium4Cornwall this decision was supported by Council officials and Councillors.£2 million pounds raised from the sale of their ground is to be used for the S4C project.

 
Re: Radio Cornwall today 13/02/18
cornishbob (IP Logged)
19 February, 2018 18:09
Inox were moving forward from day one, Rob Saltmarsh was adamant that all things being equal (up to about 3 years ago) we would have the necessary funding. Sadly with all the delays caused not by him and the plans being changed time and again confidence in the building of retail units such as those first proposed has dropped away and developers of such a place have lost confidence. The whole key to this project was the time scale, IF it had happened as it should and has done elsewhere in the country we would now be enjoying the fruits of the scheme. However I must admit that Mr Saltmarsh has been quiet recently, but who knows (certainly I don't) he might yet still be working away in the background.

 
Re: Radio Cornwall today 13/02/18
Pirate15 (IP Logged)
19 February, 2018 19:11
The stadium(Sportva Kernow) will be a first class multi-use facility and £2M is a significant investment in trying to deliver it for the benefit of the whole of Cornwall.
A few facts about the stadium;
Multi-Use
The stadium (Sportva Kernow) become the home turf for the Cornish Pirates and Truro City FC, while representatives from numerous other sporting codes have expressed an interest in hosting games at the stadium. These include the Cornish Rebels rugby league club and The Cornish Sharks American Football Team.
Truro & Penwith College has committed to using the facility for its catering, hospitality, and business schools. The function and event centre will be the largest in the county and within easy reach of a population of more than 1 million during the peak tourist season.

Education
It will include a 5,000 sq ft Conference Centre that will seat up to 500 people, 14 hospitality boxes, two bars, four kitchens, (including training kitchens for Truro & Penwith College catering students), business and event function rooms,
offices, and educational facilities.

Economic.
Devon & Cornwall Business Council (DCBC)have researched the economic benefits arising to the Cornwall project. It is the opinion of DCBC that the proposed investment would secure between £8-10 million of enhancement to the Cornwall GDP. The Cornish Pirates are prepared underwrite the stadium business plan with up to £300,000 a year for the first 10 years to maintain Sportva Kernow as a first-class sporting and entertainment facility.

Health.
The Cornish Pirates are working with the NHS Foundation to improve teenage and young adult mental health. The Pirates also operate a very successful community programme for thousands of school children across Cornwall aimed at improving health nutrition and social inclusion. In the 2016-17 academic year alone, more than 2,500 children took part in the programme, which engaged with rugby clubs, primary and secondary schools, colleges, and charities. Truro City FC and Truro & Penwith College have similarly strong community outreach programmes that they hope to develop further using the new stadium.

Remember a request was made to the Council for financial backing in 2013 which was defeated by ten votes.This application is made for a grant from their capital investment fund. There are numerous examples of projects that have received funding from this scheme including most recently the Hall for Cornwall being awarded £3.19M.
Since 2013 the stadium partners have raised potentially £8M towards the build cost. It was anticipated that the additional funding would come from the private sector but a shortfall has arisen due to the lack of confidence in the building and retail markets. This is due to economic and market forces that are beyond their control of the stadium investors.
In my opinion all that the stadium partners are asking for is a share of the funding that is available from the Councils Capital Investment Programme to enable them to start the build.



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Re: Radio Cornwall today 13/02/18
Trurotommo (IP Logged)
19 February, 2018 19:24
Corsair

That's eight negative posts in 11 years, why bother with us, p!ss off and troll elsewhere

 
Re: Radio Cornwall today 13/02/18
ascloseasthis (IP Logged)
19 February, 2018 19:43
This saga is an embarrassment to all involved. An absolute disgrace, whether you support the plan or not. This county and it’s councillors are pathetic.

 
Re: Radio Cornwall today 13/02/18
Corsair (IP Logged)
19 February, 2018 19:54
Well said Tommo your grasp of mathematics is far superior to your use of the English language and any manners your parents failed to pass on. Best of luck in your bitter world

 
Re: Radio Cornwall today 13/02/18
cornishbob (IP Logged)
19 February, 2018 21:19
Lets be nice children, this is not the time or place to be falling out amongst ourselves! Differences of opinions and discussions are good, insulting each other isn't.

 
Re: Radio Cornwall today 13/02/18
Porthusek Pirate (IP Logged)
20 February, 2018 22:54
That is harsh on Corsair and uncalled for IMHO, Tommo, Corsair likely represents the view of many who are observing matters from afar and by that I mean that who do not post on here.

There have been many gripes on this forum, understandably so, about the lack of information that has been forthcoming over the last eight (yes eight years) or so years on the stadium.

But Cornishbob hits it as far as I am concerned with the timescales, that is where the blame lies, this project has had so many knockbacks where it should have had clear support it is surprising in some ways that the 'dream' persists at all.

I can only refer Corsair to the thread with the 'S4C Updates' to see that the 'dream' is still alive.


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