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The Yeandle conundrum.
Prarie Dog (IP Logged)
31 December, 2017 22:11
First-up I want to say Jack Yeandle is a fine rugby player. However his accuracy on vital lineouts is lacking. Yes, on occasion it IS the jumpers mis-timing their leap but this issue seems to be occuring regularly. An example today saw Jack throwing to the back, close to the Tigers five metre line. His throw was looped high and went long. How many sides on their own five metre line risk contesting the lineout? A very low percentage I would say as by doing so they negate players from defending the driving maul. This long, looping throw occured again in our own twenty-two.
Later Jack through a low flat ball to the back which hit the reciever. Now, no-one can expect spot-on-accuate throws every time but Jack Yeandle seems to miss the important ones more than most. Last season LCD seemed to have the same problem.
IMHO LCD is our first choice hooker. IMHO Shaun Moulton should be given a prolonged chance on the bench or even as a starter if LCD is injured. SM has the best throw in the club and is dynamic and intelligent in open play.
Again, however, JY has dotted down two last minute tries for bonus points in the last two games. Do these tries cancel out missed scoring opportunities from poor throws?
Obviously as we are on a great winning run and we are well clear at the top of the Premiership this issue has had little impact.
Without doubt the statistitions feed the coaches every piece of data within a game. Wnen the supporters on the terrace are predicting an outcome of a throw, the coaches will be working on the issue for sure. But percentages in training do not always equate to success in a game.

I want JY to succeed. Chiefs are top drawer but if the coaches resolve this weakness everything becomes much easier.

IMHO



Just a farm team from Devon.
We know who we be!

Da' nzho!
Pawel Vygot.

 
Currychief
Re: The Yeandle conundrum.
Currychief (IP Logged)
31 December, 2017 22:42
Balanced comments PD. Only the RB and the coaching team will provide the answers...

 
Welsh Chief
Re: The Yeandle conundrum.
Welsh Chief (IP Logged)
01 January, 2018 08:34
That's a very well written post.

I think at the top level consistent failure to hit your man in the line out is really not acceptable. As you have said the coaching team will have all the stats and perhaps we don't get a full picture from the terraces but I would hope that if there wasn't improvement another hooker was given game time or perhaps the squad was strengthened in the summer.

How do we know Malton has the best throw in the club by the way? (Is it widely accepted or just your belief).

 
goss8800
Re: The Yeandle conundrum.
Chief Fire Water (IP Logged)
01 January, 2018 08:55
We are in the same situation as England

Hartley is not our number 1, but Jones needs him as caption. It is the same for Jack we need him in the match day squad for his leadership



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 01/01/2018 09:04 by Chief Fire Water.

 
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Re: The Yeandle conundrum.
Clyst Colt Chief (IP Logged)
01 January, 2018 09:22
PD

Well Done Sir ... great post ....

JY is a key part of the team and identifying ways to maintain and support development of a key skill area must be a focus for the coaching team.

As a fine team leader, I'd hope JY has recognises this area of potential weakness that only he can address.

As a professional sportsman with top class coaching support available to him .... conundrum is just the word to describe where he is with evident or consistent improvement still to be shown in this area.



"Get on Exe"

 
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Re: The Yeandle conundrum.
Prarie Dog (IP Logged)
01 January, 2018 10:58
Quote:
Welsh Chief
That's a very well written post.
I think at the top level consistent failure to hit your man in the line out is really not acceptable. As you have said the coaching team will have all the stats and perhaps we don't get a full picture from the terraces but I would hope that if there wasn't improvement another hooker was given game time or perhaps the squad was strengthened in the summer.

How do we know Malton has the best throw in the club by the way? (Is it widely accepted or just your belief).

My belief based on what I have seen at A League matches and other appearances.



Just a farm team from Devon.
We know who we be!

Da' nzho!
Pawel Vygot.

 
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Re: The Yeandle conundrum.
fatheralice (IP Logged)
01 January, 2018 11:56
Not sure a league lineout defence will be quite so organised as an Aviva one.

 
Garnett
Re: The Yeandle conundrum.
Garnett (IP Logged)
01 January, 2018 12:18
I think that we are being a bit harsh. In the stands the weather can be deceptive. The wind yesterday was gusting force 6=7 during the game. Diagonally across the pitch. Slade kicked one that people cheered until it hit the weather going up and stopped dead.

SM will get his chance but Rob lets his players grow into a place,

I remember a talk at members' forum about our structure. We hang on to experienced front row well beyond their ability to play a regular 80 minutes. Just think of Chris Budgen. Impact off the bench and a good 30 minutes in him. They are there because there needs to be two premiership scrums in the team, At our level there is nobody else to train against. Rob explained that tn his time the scrum was putting 1 ton through the front row's shoulders. It is now 2.5 tons.Sme reason we don't hook now. It is dangerous.

I am pretty sure we would not have got the BP with Elvis on the pitch. His penalty count is too high. SM has the same issue but is improving.

Lets not overreact and trust in Rob.

I feel sorry for Olly and Don. I know D got MOM but that was clearly Jack. Eddie was behind us and writing vigorously. I hope he has seen enough TV coverage to see what they could offer.

Onward.


Garnett

 
SimonH38
Re: The Yeandle conundrum.
SimonH38 (IP Logged)
01 January, 2018 21:36
Yendle is an excellent linking player in the loose but his consistency in throwing is perhaps the reason why he won't progress further.

Woodburn is another fine Premiership player but lacks the added intensity and all-round game to move further.

I once wondered if Nowell was overrated but his work rate is simply awesome, he must be the best broken field runner in the UK, and his defence is strong.

Personified for me when he came on as a replacement for the Lions and had to catch a deep ball immediately as his first act, and placed a screw kick deep into the NZ 25 with the narrowest of angles. Unbelievable entry into the match - how many could do that?

He is also impervious to mistakes. They happen, he simply moves on, and many players can't do that being haunted by one mistake!



This was about Yendle. He is a good Premiership player and excellent for us, but that remains his level at the moment. Happily see him take another step forward.

 
Chiefs
Re: The Yeandle conundrum.
Chiefs (IP Logged)
02 January, 2018 10:52
Sorry it is a little OT as well, but I thought Jack was MoM by a country mile too.

 
andy15
Re: The Yeandle conundrum.
andy15 (IP Logged)
02 January, 2018 16:50
Like many others I get frustrated when an opportunity goes astray from a missed line out throw. It could be timing of the jumper or the thrower.

This however happens to many teams and JY is not alone but sometimes conditions are difficult - wet ball or strong wind and on balance I cannot ignore the massive contribution he has made to the overall success of the team. LCD has had long spells out with injury and JY has filled the jersey with solid performances.

He is a 100% player and his tackling and work rate across the field cannot be faulted, indeed his ball retention on the whole is good just needs to look for the offload a little more but you can't ignore two tries in two games from the bench would take this every day!!!

In summary he is in the spotlight because it's a start of the set piece I am comfortable that he and the coaches are working hard to improve this aspect but others miss tackles, drop balls etc and are we as critical I suspect not !

Great forward effort Sunday (they won the battle second half) if not Don Sam Skinner was my MOM a future club captain I would suggest (Sm122)

 
Keemosabay
Re: The Yeandle conundrum.
Keemosabay (IP Logged)
03 January, 2018 00:31
Sorry, this post is nothing to do with JY but I am on my iPad and there is a floating advert for a casino (Casumo) that prevents me from reading any posts. I don't know how much they are paying but it's not enough. Can someone get rid of it? Please.

 
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Re: The Yeandle conundrum.
PhilW2010 (IP Logged)
08 January, 2018 00:12
Quote:
Prarie Dog
First-up I want to say Jack Yeandle is a fine rugby player. However his accuracy on vital lineouts is lacking. Yes, on occasion it IS the jumpers mis-timing their leap but this issue seems to be occuring regularly. An example today saw Jack throwing to the back, close to the Tigers five metre line. His throw was looped high and went long. How many sides on their own five metre line risk contesting the lineout? A very low percentage I would say as by doing so they negate players from defending the driving maul. This long, looping throw occured again in our own twenty-two.
Later Jack through a low flat ball to the back which hit the reciever. Now, no-one can expect spot-on-accuate throws every time but Jack Yeandle seems to miss the important ones more than most. Last season LCD seemed to have the same problem.
IMHO LCD is our first choice hooker. IMHO Shaun Moulton should be given a prolonged chance on the bench or even as a starter if LCD is injured. SM has the best throw in the club and is dynamic and intelligent in open play.
Again, however, JY has dotted down two last minute tries for bonus points in the last two games. Do these tries cancel out missed scoring opportunities from poor throws?
Obviously as we are on a great winning run and we are well clear at the top of the Premiership this issue has had little impact.
Without doubt the statistitions feed the coaches every piece of data within a game. Wnen the supporters on the terrace are predicting an outcome of a throw, the coaches will be working on the issue for sure. But percentages in training do not always equate to success in a game.

I want JY to succeed. Chiefs are top drawer but if the coaches resolve this weakness everything becomes much easier.

IMHO

Very well put PD.

I think Shaun Malton may be moving on though?



Be sure to treat every day on this earth as if it were your last...one day you will be right. (Jethro)

 
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Re: The Yeandle conundrum.
PhilW2010 (IP Logged)
08 January, 2018 00:18
Quote:
Clyst Colt Chief
PD
Well Done Sir ... great post ....

JY is a key part of the team and identifying ways to maintain and support development of a key skill area must be a focus for the coaching team.

As a fine team leader, I'd hope JY has recognises this area of potential weakness that only he can address.

As a professional sportsman with top class coaching support available to him .... conundrum is just the word to describe where he is with evident or consistent improvement still to be shown in this area.

You can rest assured that there is no one more aware of this conundrum than Jack himself.
Pretty sure Jack broke the thumb on the hand that he spins the ball with, that may be the cause of the inconsistency?



Be sure to treat every day on this earth as if it were your last...one day you will be right. (Jethro)

 
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Re: The Yeandle conundrum.
PhilW2010 (IP Logged)
08 January, 2018 00:20
Quote:
Garnett
I think that we are being a bit harsh. In the stands the weather can be deceptive. The wind yesterday was gusting force 6=7 during the game. Diagonally across the pitch. Slade kicked one that people cheered until it hit the weather going up and stopped dead.
SM will get his chance but Rob lets his players grow into a place,

I remember a talk at members' forum about our structure. We hang on to experienced front row well beyond their ability to play a regular 80 minutes. Just think of Chris Budgen. Impact off the bench and a good 30 minutes in him. They are there because there needs to be two premiership scrums in the team, At our level there is nobody else to train against. Rob explained that tn his time the scrum was putting 1 ton through the front row's shoulders. It is now 2.5 tons.Sme reason we don't hook now. It is dangerous.

I am pretty sure we would not have got the BP with Elvis on the pitch. His penalty count is too high. SM has the same issue but is improving.

Lets not overreact and trust in Rob.

I feel sorry for Olly and Don. I know D got MOM but that was clearly Jack. Eddie was behind us and writing vigorously. I hope he has seen enough TV coverage to see what they could offer.

Onward.


Garnett

Hookers do have to Hook the ball now Garnett. Came in last season I think.



Be sure to treat every day on this earth as if it were your last...one day you will be right. (Jethro)

 
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Re: The Yeandle conundrum.
PhilW2010 (IP Logged)
08 January, 2018 00:26
Quote:
andy15
Like many others I get frustrated when an opportunity goes astray from a missed line out throw. It could be timing of the jumper or the thrower.
This however happens to many teams and JY is not alone but sometimes conditions are difficult - wet ball or strong wind and on balance I cannot ignore the massive contribution he has made to the overall success of the team. LCD has had long spells out with injury and JY has filled the jersey with solid performances.

He is a 100% player and his tackling and work rate across the field cannot be faulted, indeed his ball retention on the whole is good just needs to look for the offload a little more but you can't ignore two tries in two games from the bench would take this every day!!!

In summary he is in the spotlight because it's a start of the set piece I am comfortable that he and the coaches are working hard to improve this aspect but others miss tackles, drop balls etc and are we as critical I suspect not !

Great forward effort Sunday (they won the battle second half) if not Don Sam Skinner was my MOM a future club captain I would suggest (Sm122)

Well Andy15 - Jack obviously reads this board, he went for an offload today out on the left wing... Falcons intercepted it and ran up the other end and scored! So we can blame you for that try! (Sm151)

Completely agree about Sam Skinner, watched him develop through the academy and A league and said then he would be one to watch.



Be sure to treat every day on this earth as if it were your last...one day you will be right. (Jethro)

 
andy15
Re: The Yeandle conundrum.
andy15 (IP Logged)
08 January, 2018 11:07
Yes Ill
Take the blame for that one smiling smiley

 
Wampum
Re: The Yeandle conundrum.
Wampum (IP Logged)
09 January, 2018 10:20
You all seem to have missed the point that we didnt have our first choice lineout jumpers in Hill, Skinner and Armand so a lot was going to fall on Kvesic and Atkins and they are not in the same category. Falcons knew this so put Yenz under pressure to hit them and they got it right.

 
mommentum
Re: The Yeandle conundrum.
mommentum (IP Logged)
09 January, 2018 18:15
And Atkins came off on about 47 mins, Salmon at 120kgs is more Lees understudy then a lineout jumper

 
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Re: The Yeandle conundrum.
fatheralice (IP Logged)
09 January, 2018 21:36
Quote:
Wampum
You all seem to have missed the point that we didnt have our first choice lineout jumpers in Hill, Skinner and Armand so a lot was going to fall on Kvesic and Atkins and they are not in the same category. Falcons knew this so put Yenz under pressure to hit them and they got it right.

Might have needed the 3 of them standing on each others shoulders to reach the one that sailed over the top(Sm100)

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