Attendances at games at the Gnoll for the past two home games have been 205 for London Skolars and 374 for Workington.
I'm not sure what we paid to Caerphilly but surely taking a few games around South Wales might freshen it up a bit and make the South Welsh fans feel a bit more like it is a club for the whole of South Wales.
Bridgend, Aberavon and places a bit closer to Neath could be viable and could bring in a few more fans. At the moment interest seems to be very low and although performances aren't helping much either I think it could be something worth looking at.
Id love to see the scorpions at the brewery but theres no way that the rugby and football club would let it. They are all very anti RL. A certain Bridgend RFC director told me that its a disgrace that i am wearing a rugby league top in a RU game as you can imagine i told him where to shove it but theres no way they would let RL back. It would be nice to go to aberavon rfc or even Port Talbot football club to try it. I dont think West it best as its all union but cardiff and definatly Newport thought Newport would be a great venue for RL. Even would like to go to sardis road in ponty
I have to say that the Gnoll is a great ground but too far west and the attendances at Caerphilly bear this out. Whilst I do not want to appear negative as I have two season tickets and will always support the South Wales RL side, I don't think getting more paying customers through the turnstiles will be easy.
I genuinely think taking games around the area are a good idea.
In my opinion this is a very complicated issue.
If you are a season ticket holder and you live in Neath its likely you'll feel a bit aggrieved that games are elsewhere.
I live less than 5 minutes drive from Caerphilly RFC so from a selfish angle could say 'Yeah great idea' However I dont think its that simple. We need to put down some roots so staying in Neath is in my opinion the best option at the moment.
Dont forget that two of the home games this season have clashed with Wales RU games. I think we all knew the Workington gate wouldnt be big as it clashed with the Wales Grand Slam game and alot of people were still sobering up from those celebrations. Perhaps in future the RFL should be made aware of when Wales RU are playing and schedule Scorpions for away games on those dates?
There are no easy answers to getting more bums on seats, we all just have to try and encourage people along.
Perhaps we should consider the owners of the club. This club was set up to play in Neath and do you think they are going to allow theteam to go to Bridgend again. I think not and at the same time, getting people from Caerphilly to would work in getting different people in but the fans from Neath would probably give it a miss which would mean NO CHANGE.
FORGET MARAUDING AROUND SOUTH WALES......IT WON'T WORK.
Hi All, some very good questions regarding where we play etc, last term we took games out of Neath due to work taking place to the field, A lot of hard work went in by the ground staff and everyone at Neath RFC to ensure we could have a home ground for 2012, we made a statement at the end of last season to play all our games at Neath.
I understand the views of everyone and hope this answers the questions.
We at the club have already paid for several games to be played there.
Long term we need to have a place to play to ensure we are taken very seriously by the RFL.
Good question but I think a club needs a home. I would imagine a proportion of season ticket holders bought on the basis games would be played in Neath and you dont want to alienate your support base. It's not just supporters but moving games aoround will add to marketing costs and may make it more difficult to attract sponsors. Will a Neath based business want to sponsor Scorpions if games are played at different grounds? possibly not. There are other logistical issues with staffing and other costs.
The Victoria Park/Gnoll comparison might be a bit misleading, although I enjoyed that great afternoon against Keighley last season. While I watched a lot of RL from '85-'92 most of my life I have been a RU man. For me part of the attraction back to watching live RL is the summer season - and I expect with a full season at Neath this Summer, the higher numbers that came to Caerphilly will hopefully come to the Gnoll as the RU season finishes.
I like Kenny's answer, simply put no! This has been talking about alot and I don't think moving is the answer. Lewis if you are concerned about attendances you may recall that I drafted a poster and asked people to help me put leaflets about town, in work, pubs etc. It ended up being a little low key, guess how many people walked the streets with me?
So I aim to do this again but nicely in advance and do a big blitz before next home game, can I send you some posters to put up and fancy joining me spreading the word?
I totally agree that having a 'home' is important but the questions remains - should it be Neath? After 3 years at Neath the attendances seem to be very very low and also seem to be getting lower by the week. Caerphilly has been mentioned as an alternative but purely based on the success of a handful of games last season. Having being a season ticket holder at Bridgend the attendances always seemed healthy and grew as success came. Looking at the facts it appears that the nearer east we are based the better it is for the game and the club.
We are 'tied' to Neath this year and I am not saying that Bridgend or Caerphilly are the answer but a measured and business-minded decision needs to be made if RL is to grow in Wales. Simply ignoring this matter could result in the Scorps being watched by fewer and fewer people.
Id be interested to see how London Broncos get on playing two games away from Twickenham this season (across the city at Leyton Orient FC and Gillingham) as i think we're both in a similar position.Caerphilly RUFC is not up to Championship 1 ground standards for Scorpions to play there regularly.
Though its a decent journey to get to Neath from Cardiff ,especially trying to get there early on a sunday using public transport! the ground and people have grown on me over the years even if the vast majority of them aren't from the local area.I'd go along with developing the clubs identity in the local area first, the schools initiative seems to be working as shown with the Oldham match and we now have a local main sponsor so we are getting out there slowly.I think more Neath/Port Talbot people are coming through the gates now as well.Id give it more time.
I can recommend the Harlequin Ground here in Roath if the club want a cheap 'alternative venue' here in the capital. the post match hospitality (sandwiches) are particularly good!
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I agree that Neath is the permanent home of the Scorpions and should remain so, however, I don't think it did us any harm in playing a couple of games away from Neath last year.
We attracted a number of locals (from Cardiff, Newport and the valleys) who wouldn't normaly travel to Neath. We also attracted a few persons with 'specialist interests' who were getting in a new ground. For the regulars, the general concensus was that it was interesting to have a couple of games on the road. There were a few who were obviously inconvenienced, whether there sacrafice for the additional 'new' supporters we had at the game can be argued either way.
My preference would be to carry on at Neath, but play a couple of home games each season further east, switching the venues each season. That way there is no doubt where out home is, but also gives a chance to raise interest in the locality.
I agree with the stability angle but long term if neath is the permanent home of the scorpions then at some point we need a team in the cardiff/newport/caerphilly area. Roughly speaking the 2 million people in south wales are split between east/west of bridgend. surely if we have any confidence in the future of rugby league in wales we can imagine two pro teams amongst 2 million people!
I am totally against going on the road but due to the latest news that Neath RFC are due in court this week over an unpaid tax bill and could face possible closure, it may not be an option but a necessity. Otherwise, we may not have a home ground at all for the remainder of the season.
Neath FC who also play on this ground are also due in court for the same offence.
I don't know all the ins and outs of this but it is all over the rugby union forums at the moment and I was there for our swalec cup game on Saturday and they have even lost most of their support which was among one of the best in Wales up until recently
I didn't know it was that bad Muffyn, sometimes when you hear news like this there is usually some grace period given or the governing body steps in, I certainly hope so as that would be a major blow to Wales RU. Personally I wonder how some of the smaller clubs cope, regional rugby seems to be the be and end all, fingers crossed for Neath.
Just saw that about Neath RFC/AFC.Don't know whether the RU club own the ground if that becomes an issue, but would have thought it will be settled by someone like Cuddy. The FC case will be dismissed as they've paid same a Cardiff RU the other season.
[quote sgorpioncaerdyddrob]Just saw that about Neath RFC/AFC.Don't know whether the RU club own the ground if that becomes an issue, but would have thought it will be settled by someone like Cuddy. The FC case will be dismissed as they've paid same a Cardiff RU the other season.[/quote
cuddy is not involed with neath rfc it all down to geraint hawkes he and cuddy had a arguement a few seasons back and since then the osperys have not given neath any players..
It's hard enough getting to Neath for home games though. It is also over an hour each way from Newport on the train as opposed to 20 from Bridgend.
Wouldn't a monthly fixture leaflet be better that encompassed the next few home games? If we said maybe 9/10am on the Sunday of a home game it would hit the mat of a potential fan on a day that they may not get anything else. 10 of us do two streets each and we've reached around 500-600 households. I think we could do roughly 3 or 4 each if we pushed ourselves over an hour or so.
Are we meant to print these off ourselves though? I have offered my services as a postie before but it seems we have to do a lot of printing ourselves. Also distributing them in Newport will not have a lot of effect when it is over 50 miles and an hour away.
I just don't think Neath is right for the club and can see attendances dying away each game that doesn't have an initiative or uni game with it. Success on the field makes a big difference too. I hope I am wrong here and it takes off but at the moment we're seeing the same old souls week in week out.
re: warm up games before the main match.
I had an e-mail this morning from Karl Jones of the SW Hornets and he thought that it could be a good idea to have a double header with the Hornets and Scorpions playing on the same day, be it at the Gnoll or in Blackwood. Good idea but to me it would have to be a Saturday game. No buses run to Blackwood on a Sunday from Pontypridd. I can get to Neath in 2 hours for a game but it would take me almost 4 hours on a Sunday to get to Blackwood or Caerphilly and it is only about 10 miles or so. Being closer is not always quicker.
Thanks for that Darren, I remember this arguement now, hence why the Ospreys have gone to Bridgend instead?
We had talks at a recent Welsh Conference meeting about building a closer relationship between the Scorpions, Hornets and the Conference clubs such as shared training sessions and double headers scorpions/conference/dragonhearts games, it seems something our Coach Dai is really wanting to push which sounds like a winner to me.
Of course there is always the opposition to consider. They would have to be in agreement too. Fixtures are given out at the start of the season. They would have to be consulted before a change could be made.
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