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If this isn't Bates admitting he's lost it I don't know what is...
Posted by: DGNTR (IP Logged)
Date: 08 March, 2010 20:49

"“We do not believe we can do a massive amount to change the way we play.

“We are quite pleased with how we are playing, we just do not seem to be getting much luck right now."


Lost the plot

So, the above, from the Master's own mouth tells us that Bates has run out of ideas and is now going to resort to luck to see us stay up.

GET RID NOW

Re: If this isn't Bates admitting he's lost it I don't know what is...
Posted by: TouchLine (IP Logged)
Date: 08 March, 2010 21:16

Even Leeds have won more games and scored more tries than us.

12 tries from 16 matches and he doesn't know what to do about it.

Re: If this isn't Bates admitting he's lost it I don't know what is...
Posted by: Mally (IP Logged)
Date: 08 March, 2010 21:48

Crucial bit is the fact that all the others at the bottom play each other, we only have Sale to go.

utter crap. I've had enough, am not putting another penny into Falcons until I see an improvement, they are taking the @#$%&.



New players.... hooray! http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b175/CLSurt/Smileys/thevil-rubbing-hands.gif

Re: If this isn't Bates admitting he's lost it I don't know what is...
Posted by: the moz (IP Logged)
Date: 08 March, 2010 21:51

Same here Mally. Did enjoy my hipflask on sunday!

Re: If this isn't Bates admitting he's lost it I don't know what is...
Posted by: zackary71 (IP Logged)
Date: 08 March, 2010 22:58

If we changed Manager now, we would pretty much guarantee ourselves relegation. If there is going to be change, wait until the season is over....you're clutching at straws if you think someone new can come in now and turn the club around in the space of seven matches.

Re: If this isn't Bates admitting he's lost it I don't know what is...
Posted by: steve1888 (IP Logged)
Date: 08 March, 2010 23:01

I disagree, if this coach has lost the players then another could motivate them enough to do so.

If his team talks are as inspiring as his interviews then no wonder where arent winning.

Re: If this isn't Bates admitting he's lost it I don't know what is...
Posted by: TouchLine (IP Logged)
Date: 08 March, 2010 23:05

I don't think anyone has suggested bring a new DoR in now, that would be practically impossible. What has been suggested is to show Bates the door and give Tait the job until the end of the season.

Re: If this isn't Bates admitting he's lost it I don't know what is...
Posted by: zackary71 (IP Logged)
Date: 08 March, 2010 23:06

I've not heard anything stated publicly to say that the Master has "lost the dressing room"
I'm sitting on the fence on this issue-the run in will ultimately decide is fate.

Re: If this isn't Bates admitting he's lost it I don't know what is...
Posted by: TouchLine (IP Logged)
Date: 08 March, 2010 23:07

He might not have lost them but he seems to be floundering in the woods without knowing the way out.

Re: If this isn't Bates admitting he's lost it I don't know what is...
Posted by: steve1888 (IP Logged)
Date: 08 March, 2010 23:21

I think its clear he has and Tait should be given the chance to make sure we stay up.

Re: If this isn't Bates admitting he's lost it I don't know what is...
Posted by: DGNTR (IP Logged)
Date: 09 March, 2010 00:27

Agreed Steve, by all accounts he has lost the dressing room, happened weeks ago.

Who can blame the players especially having to listen to their DoR stating publicly that:-

Tries aren't important
We can't change the way we play
We need more luck to win.

He's a bloody embarrassment.

Re: If this isn't Bates admitting he's lost it I don't know what is...
Posted by: SBIMB (IP Logged)
Date: 09 March, 2010 04:04

Where does this idea that he has lost the dressing room come from. I think that these are serious allegations that need to be backed up with hard facts.

Re: If this isn't Bates admitting he's lost it I don't know what is...
Posted by: Leipziger (IP Logged)
Date: 09 March, 2010 06:07

Interesting. My gaffer and I have a meeting with our director this morning to discuss why our department is losing money, and I imagine he's looking for us to say a bit more than "We can't do anything about it, we're unlucky because sales are rubbish".

Get rid of Bates, promote Tait until the end of the season and then get someone in with new ideas. Who would want the job and who we can afford is another question mind.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 09/03/2010 06:11 by Leipziger.

Re: If this isn't Bates admitting he's lost it I don't know what is...
Posted by: Silvergiraffes (IP Logged)
Date: 09 March, 2010 06:35

"We cant change the way we play"

How about something simple like - keeping hold of the ball... Its obvious to all and sundry that kicking the ball away time and again just gives possession away and puts us under pressure... Conversly keeping hold of the ball, keeping possession, putting other teams under pressure might just lead to scoring opportunities...

How about - playing a more streetwise game? (not cheating, just play the ref, if we continue to play the 'gentlemans game' we are handicapped from the start.

How about - letting the wingers actually feel the ball in their hands more than once a game, the only times our wings get any ball is fielding kicks (only to kick it back again), or if JG fancies a cross field kick. Why do we almost always look for the inside pass once it gets to 12/13?

Re: If this isn't Bates admitting he's lost it I don't know what is...
Posted by: Leipziger (IP Logged)
Date: 09 March, 2010 08:31

It's funny, after the game on Sunday I actually quoted Einstein "The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results". Sound like anyone we know?

Re: If this isn't Bates admitting he's lost it I don't know what is...
Posted by: Silvergiraffes (IP Logged)
Date: 09 March, 2010 09:38

That'll be me on the golf course then...

Re: If this isn't Bates admitting he's lost it I don't know what is...
Posted by: Way out west (IP Logged)
Date: 09 March, 2010 21:05

sounds like me getting on the scales at the moment. New yr diet is a struggle and it wll soon be time for easter eggs.

As for Bates, Thompson did say when he sacked fletch that it was down to results. Wouldn't have thought that the win ratio has improved since then.

Re: If this isn't Bates admitting he's lost it I don't know what is...
Posted by: bea (IP Logged)
Date: 09 March, 2010 22:13

We won't be renewing season tickets until things change, which looks very unlikely - how a manager can make comments like this beggars belief.

Re: If this isn't Bates admitting he's lost it I don't know what is...
Posted by: ladybird1922 (IP Logged)
Date: 09 March, 2010 23:37

My bet he will give Tait the job next year and let him bring in his own ideas in attack. He has certainly done well with the defence

Re: If this isn't Bates admitting he's lost it I don't know what is...
Posted by: DGNTR (IP Logged)
Date: 09 March, 2010 23:44

Next year might be too late.

What's the point in giving Bates the remit to make squad changes now if he's not going to be here to work with the squad next year?

Bates should go now and let Tait choose his players for next season.

That's assuming of course we will be making any signings...

Re: If this isn't Bates admitting he's lost it I don't know what is...
Posted by: New Bod (IP Logged)
Date: 10 March, 2010 13:23

maybe the reason the attack is so poor is because of the work done on the defence (too much). Is it that good. Look on the Guinness premiership website and we have missed the second most tackles. In order to improve on something you have to practise. Maybe we are trying not to get beat rather than trying to win. Bates is a better coach than Tait by some distance.

Re: If this isn't Bates admitting he's lost it I don't know what is...
Posted by: citizen-slacker (IP Logged)
Date: 10 March, 2010 13:26

I've got to say I'd agree with New Bod. No, I'm not happy with the way the results have gone recently, but I don't think Tait is ready to take on full duties yet.

Changes to be made, but tactics rather than personnel for the time being.

Re: If this isn't Bates admitting he's lost it I don't know what is...
Posted by: DGNTR (IP Logged)
Date: 10 March, 2010 13:49

Slacker,

Bates has already made a public statement to the effect that he thinks the team are playing well, that he doesn't know what else he can change and that all we need is more luck.

You want changes in tactics, Bates has admitted he doesn't know what to change.

If you really do believe that Bates can take us forward then I'm sorry but you go down in my estimations.

"Maybe we are trying not to get beat rather than trying to win"

Whatever it is we're trying it's not working.

Re: If this isn't Bates admitting he's lost it I don't know what is...
Posted by: citizen-slacker (IP Logged)
Date: 10 March, 2010 14:03

The original point though Dodgy, is that Bates is in a better position to affect positive change than Tait is.

Re: If this isn't Bates admitting he's lost it I don't know what is...
Posted by: batt murke (IP Logged)
Date: 10 March, 2010 14:05

Another question for dumb and dumber tonight, EXPLAIN THE ABOVE COMMENTS PLEASE?????

Re: If this isn't Bates admitting he's lost it I don't know what is...
Posted by: steve1888 (IP Logged)
Date: 10 March, 2010 14:05

COuld be it Bates has lost the squad or cant motivate them then he isnt and Tait would be and also Tait could well have better tactics just Bates chooses his own?

Re: If this isn't Bates admitting he's lost it I don't know what is...
Posted by: citizen-slacker (IP Logged)
Date: 10 March, 2010 14:16

Which ones Batt? Tait was brought in as a defensive coach, as there is where his skills lay. It does not mean he will be a better attack coach.

Has Bates lost the dressing room? Or just the way over the try line or in to the five metre channel at the side of the pitch?

Re: If this isn't Bates admitting he's lost it I don't know what is...
Posted by: batt murke (IP Logged)
Date: 10 March, 2010 14:27

These two quotes Slacker:

"“We do not believe we can do a massive amount to change the way we play.

“We are quite pleased with how we are playing, we just do not seem to be getting much luck right now."

I wonder what Thumper thinks of his quotes.

Re: If this isn't Bates admitting he's lost it I don't know what is...
Posted by: DGNTR (IP Logged)
Date: 10 March, 2010 16:23

Slacker, you say

"Bates is in a better position to affect positive change than Tait is"

No he is 100% not, he said so himself with his ridiculous admission. He's ran out of ideas, that's the point here.

He should be asked to explain fully and frankly these very awful statements he's made in the press. Hang him out to dry, he deserves nothing less.

Re: If this isn't Bates admitting he's lost it I don't know what is...
Posted by: Running Rugby (IP Logged)
Date: 10 March, 2010 18:06

More ridiculously stupid comments from Steve Bates.
Your team is in a relegation battle, you want to inspire them, and try to bread confidence to help get them out of the current predicament and you come out with -

Tries aren't important
We can't change the way we play
We need more luck to win.

What is he thinking?

The falcons have been playing badly this year and have lacked any invention whatsoever and that has to be down to one man and when he comes out and says things like that, it is surely a way of saying, "I have given up and cant take the club any further forward".

Surely Thompson has to act after these comments.



Formerly Super 14.

Re: If this isn't Bates admitting he's lost it I don't know what is...
Posted by: Optimistfalcon (IP Logged)
Date: 10 March, 2010 19:32

And we're supposed to renew our season tickets on the back of this?

Re: If this isn't Bates admitting he's lost it I don't know what is...
Posted by: Falconski (IP Logged)
Date: 12 March, 2010 15:47

i aint renewing mine

who was the coach we lost earlier in the season,back end last season??? Is our rubbish form maybe down to him going???

Re: If this isn't Bates admitting he's lost it I don't know what is...
Posted by: ladybird1922 (IP Logged)
Date: 12 March, 2010 18:06

Only ones i can think of is Wilkinson and Peel

Re: If this isn't Bates admitting he's lost it I don't know what is...
Posted by: Falconski (IP Logged)
Date: 13 March, 2010 21:35

wasnt stuart grimes one of our coaches also???

Just if he was, thats three coaches that have gone, and who have they been replaced with???

I know a new fitness coach was brought in during off season

who is our attacking coach???bates???

Re: If this isn't Bates admitting he's lost it I don't know what is...
Posted by: TouchLine (IP Logged)
Date: 13 March, 2010 21:49

I thought Grimes was still there as a specialist lineout coach?

Re: If this isn't Bates admitting he's lost it I don't know what is...
Posted by: Falconski (IP Logged)
Date: 13 March, 2010 22:31

i must of meant peel then

something aint right at the club, and i am beginning to think bates is part of problem.

we cant expect to win games purely off gopperths boot.

Re: If this isn't Bates admitting he's lost it I don't know what is...
Posted by: DGNTR (IP Logged)
Date: 14 March, 2010 13:05

Clearly Grimes is making so much of an impression that somebody thought he'd left.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 14/03/2010 13:06 by DGNTR.

Re: If this isn't Bates admitting he's lost it I don't know what is...
Posted by: Falconski (IP Logged)
Date: 15 March, 2010 18:33

Well our lineouts seem worse than last year imo

Re: If this isn't Bates admitting he's lost it I don't know what is...
Posted by: ladybird1922 (IP Logged)
Date: 15 March, 2010 18:52

Would have to look at the stats to prove that. The scrum is definately very strong. Forwards set piece domination has been our strong point this season.

Re: If this isn't Bates admitting he's lost it I don't know what is...
Posted by: TouchLine (IP Logged)
Date: 15 March, 2010 19:05

Quote:
The scrum is definately very strong. Forwards set piece domination has been our strong point this season.

Not at Wuss it wasn't.

Re: If this isn't Bates admitting he's lost it I don't know what is...
Posted by: ladybird1922 (IP Logged)
Date: 15 March, 2010 19:39

True but that was one poor performance in that department of the season.

Re: If this isn't Bates admitting he's lost it I don't know what is...
Posted by: DGNTR (IP Logged)
Date: 15 March, 2010 21:10

Scrummaging success will not be down to Grimes, line outs might be.

I reckon the emergence of our front row plus an excellent second row pairing rather than coaching.

Golding and Hudson - they are the difference this season IMO.

Re: If this isn't Bates admitting he's lost it I don't know what is...
Posted by: Monkey1 (IP Logged)
Date: 15 March, 2010 21:31

The line out used to be an utter sack of ferret turds, it really was a joke & a point of acute embarrassment. These days it is at worst average, and often works perfectly, a big change from a few years ago. How much of that is down to Grimes I do not know, but it is one part of the game that doesn't really need much attention.

Re: If this isn't Bates admitting he's lost it I don't know what is...
Posted by: DGNTR (IP Logged)
Date: 15 March, 2010 23:29

Vickers starting most games will also have something to with it, instead of Long or Thumper Jnr, who couldn't throw for toffee.

Re: If this isn't Bates admitting he's lost it I don't know what is...
Posted by: Leipziger (IP Logged)
Date: 16 March, 2010 06:20

You'd have to look at the stats to prove that one too.

Re: If this isn't Bates admitting he's lost it I don't know what is...
Posted by: TouchLine (IP Logged)
Date: 16 March, 2010 08:58

Long came on again for Saints at the weekend

Re: If this isn't Bates admitting he's lost it I don't know what is...
Posted by: .Mark Smith (IP Logged)
Date: 16 March, 2010 09:03

Just to clarify, Stuart Grimes is currently our forwards coach, not just line out coach.

Steve Bates is director of rugby, Alan Tait is first team coach and Andy Smith is head of strength and conditioning.

Cheers
Smithy

Re: If this isn't Bates admitting he's lost it I don't know what is...
Posted by: Rugby Rose (IP Logged)
Date: 16 March, 2010 10:17

Interesting to point out that at the team warm ups for the Bath match they had about 8 coaching staff with their team compared with 3 or 4 of ours

Re: If this isn't Bates admitting he's lost it I don't know what is...
Posted by: ladybird1922 (IP Logged)
Date: 16 March, 2010 18:25

Think Falcons could get 8 coaching staff on the pitch but what would be the point in that.

Re: If this isn't Bates admitting he's lost it I don't know what is...
Posted by: Rugby Rose (IP Logged)
Date: 17 March, 2010 10:27

Encouragement - raise morale - go thru set moves - psychological prescence

That would be the point



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 17/03/2010 10:30 by Rugby Rose.

Re: If this isn't Bates admitting he's lost it I don't know what is...
Posted by: ladybird1922 (IP Logged)
Date: 17 March, 2010 14:33

To many cooks.........

Re: If this isn't Bates admitting he's lost it I don't know what is...
Posted by: Rugby Rose (IP Logged)
Date: 17 March, 2010 14:36

Quote:
ladybird1922
To many cooks.........

Not quite tho - they won.

Re: If this isn't Bates admitting he's lost it I don't know what is...
Posted by: ladybird1922 (IP Logged)
Date: 17 March, 2010 16:55

There pro rugby players not kids. All those things have been achieved before there warm up during the week. Thats when there coaches work there stuff, warm up is conditioners time.

Re: If this isn't Bates admitting he's lost it I don't know what is...
Posted by: Wearsider (IP Logged)
Date: 17 March, 2010 18:46

birdie

It is "they're pro rugby players", "their warm up", "their coaches work their stuff"

End of English grammar lesson


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Re: If this isn't Bates admitting he's lost it I don't know what is...
Posted by: DGNTR (IP Logged)
Date: 17 March, 2010 19:03

(Sm152)

Re: If this isn't Bates admitting he's lost it I don't know what is...
Posted by: TouchLine (IP Logged)
Date: 17 March, 2010 19:08

There, there

Re: If this isn't Bates admitting he's lost it I don't know what is...
Posted by: Falconski (IP Logged)
Date: 17 March, 2010 19:11

plus 8 coaches

8 salaries, cant see thumper senior going for that can you?

Re: If this isn't Bates admitting he's lost it I don't know what is...
Posted by: steve1888 (IP Logged)
Date: 17 March, 2010 22:53

Were all of them coaching staff ? some could have been non playing squad members possibly - certainly cant see the need for that many and seriously doubt it affected the result.

Re: If this isn't Bates admitting he's lost it I don't know what is...
Posted by: ladybird1922 (IP Logged)
Date: 18 March, 2010 19:24

Back to the grammar lessons are we. Well done for correcting me.

As i said before i do think Falcons (thumper) could field 8 coaching staff.

S Bates
A Tait
S Grimes
A Smith
K Mcshane
M Laycock
E Medcalf
J Stokoe (before you all go crazy i do believe J Stokoe is involved in analysis therefore involved in player development)

Is that ok for you FS

Re: If this isn't Bates admitting he's lost it I don't know what is...
Posted by: Monkey1 (IP Logged)
Date: 18 March, 2010 20:53

Criticisms of spelling & grammar are way out of order. Somebody like Ying Tong or whatever she was called who deliberately antagonised other posters by using the hated txt lol deserved everything she got, but if somebody's English is maybe not as good as yours then as long as they make an effort to be understood all is fine & dandy. One of our most ardent supporters gave up posting on here after he was given some stick, I happen to know that he is severely dyslexic, that was cruel, vicious, unwarrented & shameful.

You carry on posting LB, most people are more interested in what you have to say rather than how you say it.

Now back to the subject. Every club will have a different routine, for some the coaches hand over preparation to the captain once they have left the dressing room, others will have some or all coaches involved right up to the last minute. There is no right or wrong, just different.

Re: If this isn't Bates admitting he's lost it I don't know what is...
Posted by: ladybird1922 (IP Logged)
Date: 18 March, 2010 21:20

Thanks Monkey but i actually think it is quite amusing that that is all some people have to come back with.

Totally disgraceful that a poster was put off posting because of a fool saying stuff. Not sure what the protocol is but IMO if that happens again could they not be suspended from the site or thrown off.

Re: If this isn't Bates admitting he's lost it I don't know what is...
Posted by: DGNTR (IP Logged)
Date: 18 March, 2010 21:30

"unwarrented"

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Re: If this isn't Bates admitting he's lost it I don't know what is...
Posted by: TouchLine (IP Logged)
Date: 18 March, 2010 21:40

There's no excuse for incorrect spelling. Use a spell-checker if you can't do it correctly yourself.

Re: If this isn't Bates admitting he's lost it I don't know what is...
Posted by: ladybird1922 (IP Logged)
Date: 18 March, 2010 21:52

Get back onto the subjekt we posted about.

Re: If this isn't Bates admitting he's lost it I don't know what is...
Posted by: There's 35 seconds to go (IP Logged)
Date: 18 March, 2010 21:52

Eye halve a spelling chequer, It came with my pea sea ...

Re: If this isn't Bates admitting he's lost it I don't know what is...
Posted by: DGNTR (IP Logged)
Date: 18 March, 2010 22:28

It cleeyalee duzzint werk 35 sex

Re: If this isn't Bates admitting he's lost it I don't know what is...
Posted by: zackary71 (IP Logged)
Date: 18 March, 2010 22:40

I thought this was a Rugby forum not an exercise in english grammar.
Well done Monkey for standing up to the small minded posters on here who seem to revel in belittling others for their spelling at every opportunity.
Not everyone has had the opportunity to be educated to the highest level, so in 2 words....grow up.

Re: If this isn't Bates admitting he's lost it I don't know what is...
Posted by: Thespence_uk (IP Logged)
Date: 18 March, 2010 22:46

The next DOR needs to be someone who has zero connection with the club. RL clubs in the England often sign number 2's from the Aussie RL clubs. There are 14 (soon to be 15) top RU club jobs in NZ,AUS & SA so lets see Thumper grow some & take a punt on someone who wants to be the top man at a club instead of a wing man. I have absolutely no idea who that person could be but Davey could start speaking to the likes of Hurter, Andrews, Lam, Hayman, Mcdonnell etc & start building up info on potential targets.

Just say no to promoting within or bringing someone like Dean Ryan back to the club.

Re: If this isn't Bates admitting he's lost it I don't know what is...
Posted by: TouchLine (IP Logged)
Date: 18 March, 2010 22:47

If you can operate a keyboard you can operate a spell-checker.

Re: If this isn't Bates admitting he's lost it I don't know what is...
Posted by: DGNTR (IP Logged)
Date: 18 March, 2010 22:51

Leeve it Touchy.

Re: If this isn't Bates admitting he's lost it I don't know what is...
Posted by: There's 35 seconds to go (IP Logged)
Date: 18 March, 2010 22:53

There's no spelling mistake in my last post.

Re: If this isn't Bates admitting he's lost it I don't know what is...
Posted by: Thespence_uk (IP Logged)
Date: 18 March, 2010 22:56

Quote:
TouchLine
If you can operate a keyboard you can operate a spell-checker.

I use Firefox & operating the spell checker is more of a mouse gig than a job for the keyboard.

Re: If this isn't Bates admitting he's lost it I don't know what is...
Posted by: TouchLine (IP Logged)
Date: 18 March, 2010 23:12

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Re: If this isn't Bates admitting he's lost it I don't know what is...
Posted by: Silvergiraffes (IP Logged)
Date: 19 March, 2010 08:10

Monkey - there might not be a 'right way' and a 'wrong way' but surely we should be looking for the 'most effective way'. We have been unable to put together 80mins of decent rugby at home all season so perhaps we have yet to find 'the most effective way'.. Any of those fantastic travelling fans notice anything different in our away preparations?

Re: If this isn't Bates admitting he's lost it I don't know what is...
Posted by: steve1888 (IP Logged)
Date: 19 March, 2010 08:41

Spence - I'd be quite happy with Alan Tait given a go, he will obviously have his own ideas that wont be being used currently.

Re: If this isn't Bates admitting he's lost it I don't know what is...
Posted by: atillathehun (IP Logged)
Date: 19 March, 2010 11:33

I think it has to be a complete clear out, start afresh. The present shambles has to go, bring in fresh faces and ideas, I think Super 14 coaches are far superior, just look at what they turn out every weekend. They are straight talkers who do not go on about a better performance; if it is a poor performance they say 'we were poor'.

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