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Hayman gone - IT'S OFFICIAL
Posted by: TouchLine (IP Logged)
Date: 20 March, 2010 11:22
According to The Journal
“We did everything we possibly could to keep Carl,” said Thompson
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 22/03/2010 10:04 by TouchLine.
“We did everything we possibly could to keep Carl,” said Thompson
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 22/03/2010 10:04 by TouchLine.
Re: Hayman gone
Posted by: Falc Dancer (IP Logged)
Date: 20 March, 2010 12:17
So much for the buying team making the annoucement then....
Gutted hes leaving, a fantastic player
on the up side (if there is one) at least the club now know how much ŁŁŁ they have to play with heading into signing replacement
Gutted hes leaving, a fantastic player
on the up side (if there is one) at least the club now know how much ŁŁŁ they have to play with heading into signing replacement
Re: Hayman gone
Posted by: Leipziger (IP Logged)
Date: 20 March, 2010 12:34
Disappointing but we all knew he was leaving. Let's hope for a good replacement.
Re: Hayman gone
Posted by: Dr. B. (IP Logged)
Date: 20 March, 2010 12:37
A huge loss - it was a pleasure watching him in a Falcons shirt. For all those intending to watch the Falcons next season, I hope you get to watch Davey Wilson back in black.
Re: Hayman gone
Posted by: Monkey1 (IP Logged)
Date: 20 March, 2010 12:37
Expected so not a surprise at all. He will be remembered as the man who transformed our pack, a great player to have had in the team.
Re: Hayman gone
Posted by: CANTABRIAN (IP Logged)
Date: 20 March, 2010 12:40
The news about Hayman is sadly not a surprise. Until or unless there is a change of ownership and management, the Falcons will continue their slow motion,car crash decline into anonymity. In yesterday's article on the "Offy" Mr Thompson declares how important the fans support is and if we will only buy our next season ticket before the end of April we will get 10% off Spag Bog or some such nonsense....except on match days.
He cannot be serious!!
It really is a shame that a fine club with much potential and thousands of absent but still loyal fans is being so mis-managed. As an exiled Northumbrian I could easily get to Northampton,Saracens,Wasps,Quins or Irish, but I only go when the Falcons visit. Otherwise I listen to all home games on the web,because the Falcons are and always will be my team.
I'd gladly get a season ticket for 2010/11 though it costs north of Ł100 to get to each match,if there was the slightest sign that the owner has any ambition or the coaches any plan. Meantime,with a growing sense of despair,I'll have to stick to Radio Newcastle and the local Italian.
He cannot be serious!!
It really is a shame that a fine club with much potential and thousands of absent but still loyal fans is being so mis-managed. As an exiled Northumbrian I could easily get to Northampton,Saracens,Wasps,Quins or Irish, but I only go when the Falcons visit. Otherwise I listen to all home games on the web,because the Falcons are and always will be my team.
I'd gladly get a season ticket for 2010/11 though it costs north of Ł100 to get to each match,if there was the slightest sign that the owner has any ambition or the coaches any plan. Meantime,with a growing sense of despair,I'll have to stick to Radio Newcastle and the local Italian.
Re: Hayman gone
Posted by: Falc Dancer (IP Logged)
Date: 20 March, 2010 12:41
A lot of people have mention getting Davey back for next season
does someone have a decent sauce? or is it just hope?
does someone have a decent sauce? or is it just hope?
Re: Hayman gone
Posted by: citizen-slacker (IP Logged)
Date: 20 March, 2010 12:43
One of the rumours, possibly involved in the Twist, was that Davy had gone on a one year contract, with an additional one year option, so that when Carl left, it would leave Davy with the opt out to leave Bath & come home.
Re: Hayman gone
Posted by: TouchLine (IP Logged)
Date: 20 March, 2010 13:04
Why would he want to come back?
He's in the England Squad now and it's a lot easier getting to England sessions from Bath than it is from up here. He's much more likely to be playing HC rugby there tan at Kp and I can't believe we'd offer enough to significantly improve his current salary even if no other clubs were after him which is unlikely.
He's in the England Squad now and it's a lot easier getting to England sessions from Bath than it is from up here. He's much more likely to be playing HC rugby there tan at Kp and I can't believe we'd offer enough to significantly improve his current salary even if no other clubs were after him which is unlikely.
Re: Hayman gone
Posted by: Way out west (IP Logged)
Date: 20 March, 2010 13:04
Not a surprise and I don't think anyone can blame him for choosing big money and the south of France. I would have been more disappointed if he had gone to another English club as was being mentioned a few weeks ago.
It's been a pleasure and privilege being able to watch him play for the last couple of years. Up there with Inga, Pat Lam (first spell) and Burke as the best overseas player we have had. Would add Gary armstrong if he ca be counted as a foreigner.
It's been a pleasure and privilege being able to watch him play for the last couple of years. Up there with Inga, Pat Lam (first spell) and Burke as the best overseas player we have had. Would add Gary armstrong if he ca be counted as a foreigner.
Re: Hayman gone
Posted by: DGNTR (IP Logged)
Date: 20 March, 2010 13:27
Davey Wilson will be a Bath player next season. FACT.
Re: Hayman gone
Posted by: DGNTR (IP Logged)
Date: 20 March, 2010 13:31
This is for the best.
Falcons cannot afford to pay players Ł0.5m a year, FACT.
They'd be better off concentrating their efforts on assembling a value for money squad that can get us back into the premiership at the first attempt next season.
Falcons cannot afford to pay players Ł0.5m a year, FACT.
They'd be better off concentrating their efforts on assembling a value for money squad that can get us back into the premiership at the first attempt next season.
Re: Hayman gone
Posted by: TouchLine (IP Logged)
Date: 20 March, 2010 13:55
His replacement is lined up
We cannot say too much more than that right now for obvious reasons, but he is an international tighthead prop with a very good reputation and he’s a quality player.”
We cannot say too much more than that right now for obvious reasons, but he is an international tighthead prop with a very good reputation and he’s a quality player.”
Re: Hayman gone
Posted by: Falc Dancer (IP Logged)
Date: 20 March, 2010 14:06
An all North East front row sounds great to me
Davey might fancy coming home, Bath the city might not be to his fancy and comfort might be more important that cash
We could do alot worse than Davey coming back
but I dont hold much hope
Davey might fancy coming home, Bath the city might not be to his fancy and comfort might be more important that cash
We could do alot worse than Davey coming back
but I dont hold much hope
Re: Hayman gone
Posted by: shendy (IP Logged)
Date: 20 March, 2010 14:17
Gawd, have you signed Phil Vickery?
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Re: Hayman gone
Posted by: Mally (IP Logged)
Date: 20 March, 2010 14:25
@#$%& he'll be a massive loss
New players.... hooray!
New players.... hooray!
Re: Hayman gone
Posted by: the moz (IP Logged)
Date: 20 March, 2010 14:42
I would wager on a South Sea Islander...
Re: Hayman gone
Posted by: Thespence_uk (IP Logged)
Date: 20 March, 2010 14:46
It is good that the waiting is over.
These french clubs must have a load of surplus players knocking around.
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These french clubs must have a load of surplus players knocking around.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 20/03/2010 14:47 by Thespence_uk.
Re: Hayman gone
Posted by: Leipziger (IP Logged)
Date: 20 March, 2010 14:50
I reckon it'll be a French guy, after all we have a strong tradition of good French players.
Re: Hayman gone
Posted by: Way out west (IP Logged)
Date: 20 March, 2010 15:10
Having let the French have Noon, May, Wilkinson, Philips and now Hayman, only fair that they send a couple of top class players this way.
Re: Hayman gone
Posted by: TouchLine (IP Logged)
Date: 20 March, 2010 15:27
They don't settle in England. Andrew says so, so it must be true.
Re: Hayman gone
Posted by: Monkey1 (IP Logged)
Date: 20 March, 2010 15:48
Drat TL, you beat me to it.
Re: Hayman gone
Posted by: pityacker (IP Logged)
Date: 20 March, 2010 15:57
A strong rumour is the ex London Irish Tongan international prop Tonga Leaaetoa who currently plays for Toulon.Falcons are rumoured to have asked about his availability.He mainly plays from the bench and is 33 this month.Would imagine he is on a decent salary if he is still under contract.Not a good exchange for Carl.
Re: Hayman gone
Posted by: DGNTR (IP Logged)
Date: 20 March, 2010 16:21
You can't be serious Yacker?
I'd laugh my socks off if that were the case, but then again, he'd be a good short term signing for ND1.
I'd laugh my socks off if that were the case, but then again, he'd be a good short term signing for ND1.
Re: Hayman gone
Posted by: DGNTR (IP Logged)
Date: 20 March, 2010 17:22
"Even in the professional age, there is still an element of the All Black jersey being worth something more lasting and meaningful than cash."
Nonsense, Mike Ashley sells them for about Ł30.
Nonsense, Mike Ashley sells them for about Ł30.
Re: Hayman gone
Posted by: Falconski (IP Logged)
Date: 20 March, 2010 19:02
Well we didnt all see that coming did we??
Love the way Thompson at these supporters talkin's spouts a load of rubbish!
At one around two months ago didnt he say he had some wonderful 5 year plan, and keeping Hayman was an essential part of the plan.
Dont think off our current form we will finish higher than we did last year.
Love the way Thompson at these supporters talkin's spouts a load of rubbish!
At one around two months ago didnt he say he had some wonderful 5 year plan, and keeping Hayman was an essential part of the plan.
Dont think off our current form we will finish higher than we did last year.
Re: Hayman gone
Posted by: TouchLine (IP Logged)
Date: 20 March, 2010 19:24
I think what he says is what he wants to happen. Unfortunately he doesn't have the wedge to make it happen.
If only he'd get realistic about what the Club is worth as John all did and let someone buy it who can afford to invest properly. The longer he's running things it seems the lower the value of the Club is going to be/
It's certainly worth considerably less now than when he officially put it up for sale a while ago.
If only he'd get realistic about what the Club is worth as John all did and let someone buy it who can afford to invest properly. The longer he's running things it seems the lower the value of the Club is going to be/
It's certainly worth considerably less now than when he officially put it up for sale a while ago.
Re: Hayman gone
Posted by: Running Rugby (IP Logged)
Date: 20 March, 2010 22:18
Apparently we are in advanced negotiations with a top class international tight head according to our estimed chairman.
(Bottom of the article)
[www.chroniclelive.co.uk]
Formerly Super 14.
(Bottom of the article)
[www.chroniclelive.co.uk]
Formerly Super 14.
Re: Hayman gone
Posted by: TouchLine (IP Logged)
Date: 20 March, 2010 22:53
Do keep up S14, this link was posted on this thread 9 hours ago!
Re: Hayman gone
Posted by: Macaz007 (IP Logged)
Date: 21 March, 2010 04:03
I dont believe Dave Thompson has done anything wrong! At the end of the day the Premiership has a salary cap and giving Hayman 1/6th of it does not make no sense, when you could proberly bring in 3 or 4 players for that money.
I believe if Toulon did not offer him this contract he would of still left for New Zealand.
I believe if Toulon did not offer him this contract he would of still left for New Zealand.
Re: Hayman gone
Posted by: Getitright (IP Logged)
Date: 21 March, 2010 08:40
A quote from Birdie back in November. DGNTR was posting categoric statements on Hayman's return to NZ at the time when Birdie produced his 'Hat Deal' quoted below
'DG if Hayman goes back to NZ straight after Falcons I'll eat your hat. If not you can only post positive posts on this site for a year..Is that a deal..'
I can imagine the response I'm going to get but now is the time to stand up and be counted. Therefore look forward to positive posts for next 12 months as DGNTR's cloak has slipped recently and it would be nice if the Ł100 charity bet was fulfilled as well. Over to DGNTR and Birdie!
PS Now is probably the time to realise that IMO Birdie will always be closer to the 'sauces' than DGNTR
'DG if Hayman goes back to NZ straight after Falcons I'll eat your hat. If not you can only post positive posts on this site for a year..Is that a deal..'
I can imagine the response I'm going to get but now is the time to stand up and be counted. Therefore look forward to positive posts for next 12 months as DGNTR's cloak has slipped recently and it would be nice if the Ł100 charity bet was fulfilled as well. Over to DGNTR and Birdie!
PS Now is probably the time to realise that IMO Birdie will always be closer to the 'sauces' than DGNTR
Re: Hayman gone
Posted by: ladybird1922 (IP Logged)
Date: 21 March, 2010 19:43
Thanks Getitright and although some people think or thought i was Thumper jnr i am not but am close to certain people, sauces.
When Thumper talked about keeping Hayman if i am right i think they offered him a long term deal with a player coach option stuck on the end and what i heard Hayman was very interested in bit IMO no GP club can compete with the big french clubs salary capabilities.
When Thumper talked about keeping Hayman if i am right i think they offered him a long term deal with a player coach option stuck on the end and what i heard Hayman was very interested in bit IMO no GP club can compete with the big french clubs salary capabilities.
Re: Hayman gone
Posted by: DGNTR (IP Logged)
Date: 21 March, 2010 20:22
Incorrect Birdie.
Hayman wanted a player/coach deal but the club could not accomodate his wishes wo
owing to the contractual constraints of already having a coaching team in place.
You need a better sauce mate.
Hayman wanted a player/coach deal but the club could not accomodate his wishes wo
owing to the contractual constraints of already having a coaching team in place.
You need a better sauce mate.
Re: Hayman gone
Posted by: ladybird1922 (IP Logged)
Date: 21 March, 2010 21:56
I ll let you think that.
Re: Hayman gone
Posted by: DGNTR (IP Logged)
Date: 21 March, 2010 22:33
No probs, I know that the source of that info is 100% sound.
Re: Hayman gone
Posted by: Macaz007 (IP Logged)
Date: 21 March, 2010 23:41
No one cares about your sources! everytime something is mentioned about players etc it ends up in a "my source is better then your source"
personally i dont care, and proberly many others on here too feel the same way? Other clubs forums dont have this childish behaviour so why do we need too!!!
personally i dont care, and proberly many others on here too feel the same way? Other clubs forums dont have this childish behaviour so why do we need too!!!
Re: Hayman gone
Posted by: Damocles (IP Logged)
Date: 21 March, 2010 23:43
sauce?
I prefer dijonaise mustard myself
partial to tartar as well
I prefer dijonaise mustard myself
partial to tartar as well
Re: Hayman gone
Posted by: Monkey1 (IP Logged)
Date: 21 March, 2010 23:52
Quote:Macaz007
Other clubs forums dont have this childish behaviour so why do we need too!!!
Oh yes they do, and they have it in spades.
Re: Hayman gone
Posted by: wheelie (IP Logged)
Date: 22 March, 2010 09:43
Confirmation from Toulon and Falcons
[www.rctoulon.com]
[www.newcastle-falcons.co.uk]
Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 22/03/2010 09:56 by wheelie.
[www.rctoulon.com]
[www.newcastle-falcons.co.uk]
Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 22/03/2010 09:56 by wheelie.
Re: Hayman gone
Posted by: alas (IP Logged)
Date: 22 March, 2010 09:56
Smithy's version [www.newcastle-falcons.co.uk]
Re: Hayman gone
Posted by: Monkey1 (IP Logged)
Date: 22 March, 2010 10:04
Quote:Offy
"I have enjoyed my time immensely here at Newcastle Falcons, a great club blessed with fantastic supporters. I've found a real affinity with the area, the culture and the people here in Newcastle, both from a rugby and a personal point of view.
"I would like to thank the club for being so professional in the way they have allowed me the time to make my decision, my team mates for the manner in which they have welcomed me and the Falcons fans for the affection they have always shown during my time at the club.
"Most importantly I would like to stress that I remain absolutely committed to the Falcons until the end of the current season, both in terms of securing our Guinness Premiership position and then also our dream of achieving a Heineken Cup place for next season. My focus will not waiver from those targets at all between now and the summer, and everybody at the club is pulling together enormously to ensure a strong finish to the campaign."
Absolutely top bloke. He will leave a lasting legacy, a group of forwards who have seen how it should be done. For that alone he deserves our appreciation.
Re: Hayman gone - IT'S OFFICIAL
Posted by: TouchLine (IP Logged)
Date: 22 March, 2010 10:08
Spot on Monkey.
I also think that the opposition looseheads in the remaining matches may find they have something to remember him by also.
I also think that the opposition looseheads in the remaining matches may find they have something to remember him by also.
Re: Hayman gone - IT'S OFFICIAL
Posted by: alas (IP Logged)
Date: 22 March, 2010 10:19
No quarrel with Hayman's effort and performance while here, and he will be crucial to our fate in the next few games. But Thumper and Bates don't come out of this looking good. To lose one good TH prop is bad, to lose two... They should have realised they were unlikely to be able to re-sign Hayman and moved him on last year and kept Wilson.
Re: Hayman gone - IT'S OFFICIAL
Posted by: Leipziger (IP Logged)
Date: 22 March, 2010 11:15
Hayman has certainly helped revolutionised our forwards and hopefully his replacement will help continue that. I'm sure he doesn't want to be remembered as the captain under whom we were relegated so as Touchy says he should be well up for it in the last few games.
Re: Hayman gone - IT'S OFFICIAL
Posted by: Monkey1 (IP Logged)
Date: 22 March, 2010 11:17
Can't see how you come up with that Alas, simply beyond belief that Wilson would have stayed at KP twiddling his thumbs on the off chance that CH would up sticks in a year's time.
Re: Hayman gone - IT'S OFFICIAL
Posted by: steve1888 (IP Logged)
Date: 22 March, 2010 11:29
And the RFU helped Wilson decide on Bath and Davey isnt a patch on Carl who will have also aided in Golding's development and no doubt teh other props too.
Good luck to the looseheads in Top14 - he'll be a miss for us but been great watching him play.
Good luck to the looseheads in Top14 - he'll be a miss for us but been great watching him play.
Re: Hayman gone - IT'S OFFICIAL
Posted by: north angel (IP Logged)
Date: 22 March, 2010 11:41
Thanks Carl and the very best for your future. Carl will not want to go having gone down .We dont want to go down so lets forget all the nonsence and get behind the team give Carl a great send off and do are bit to mhelp the lads 16th man is very important COME on Falcons. !!!
Re: Hayman gone - IT'S OFFICIAL
Posted by: alas (IP Logged)
Date: 22 March, 2010 11:52
Quote:Monkey1
Can't see how you come up with that Alas, simply beyond belief that Wilson would have stayed at KP twiddling his thumbs on the off chance that CH would up sticks in a year's time.
That's precisely my point. The only way to keep Wilson was to offer Hayman to other clubs last year. The size of his contract would not have been a barrier given what Toulon are reportedly paying him. Better to have Wilson for 5 or 6 years than Hayman for one. Plus the difference in salary could have been used to strengthen the squad elsewhere.
Re: Hayman gone - IT'S OFFICIAL
Posted by: Monkey1 (IP Logged)
Date: 22 March, 2010 11:54
Are you seriously suggesting that Hayman should have been told to bu99er off & Wilson given the 3 shirt!
Oh dear God help me.
Oh dear God help me.
Re: Hayman gone - IT'S OFFICIAL
Posted by: Leipziger (IP Logged)
Date: 22 March, 2010 12:08
"Better to have Wilson for 5 or 6 years than Hayman for one."
When Alas puts it that way it begins to make some sense.
When Alas puts it that way it begins to make some sense.
Re: Hayman gone - IT'S OFFICIAL
Posted by: alas (IP Logged)
Date: 22 March, 2010 12:09
So Monkey you think that the Falcons will be in a better position next season if they have an ageing Tongan bench warmer as their main TH rather than an England international in his twenties?
Re: Hayman gone - IT'S OFFICIAL
Posted by: Monkey1 (IP Logged)
Date: 22 March, 2010 12:26
I didn't realise that those were the only two options available last year, please excuse my ignorance.
If Hayman had gone & Wilson stayed, both Wilson & our pack would have gone backwards this season. He is still a young lad learning the trade, and who exactly do you propose he would have leaned from over the last 12 months? Micky Ward?
If Hayman had gone & Wilson stayed, both Wilson & our pack would have gone backwards this season. He is still a young lad learning the trade, and who exactly do you propose he would have leaned from over the last 12 months? Micky Ward?
Re: Hayman gone - IT'S OFFICIAL
Posted by: TouchLine (IP Logged)
Date: 22 March, 2010 13:15
He did well at the weekend. the England scrum was certainly much better when he and Thomson came on.
Re: Hayman gone - IT'S OFFICIAL
Posted by: DGNTR (IP Logged)
Date: 22 March, 2010 13:37
I have to agree with alas, for longer term reasons. This year hasn't exactly been a success has it?
Re: Hayman gone - IT'S OFFICIAL
Posted by: steve1888 (IP Logged)
Date: 22 March, 2010 13:39
Front row has - would Golding and Vickers have improved as much ? and we may well have been alot worse off.
Re: Hayman gone - IT'S OFFICIAL
Posted by: westand (IP Logged)
Date: 22 March, 2010 13:41
This thread has a misleading heading---
As far as I'm aware Mr Hayman is still here.
As far as I'm aware Mr Hayman is still here.
Re: Hayman gone - IT'S OFFICIAL
Posted by: DGNTR (IP Logged)
Date: 22 March, 2010 13:58
That's a fair point Westie
Re: Hayman gone - IT'S OFFICIAL
Posted by: TouchLine (IP Logged)
Date: 22 March, 2010 14:26
If Hayman had gone last year we might be in n even more perilous position now.
Re: Hayman gone - IT'S OFFICIAL
Posted by: DGNTR (IP Logged)
Date: 22 March, 2010 14:34
Or maybe we wouldn't have been. His salary might have bought an excellent tighthead as well as a very decent scrummie and a big ball carrier.
Re: Hayman gone - IT'S OFFICIAL
Posted by: steve1888 (IP Logged)
Date: 22 March, 2010 14:43
Not really as when he was first signed NR would have been putting the money up and may not have went for that.
I for one applaud the fact we've had this great player here and wish him luck in the future and think credit is deserved for getting him here.
I for one applaud the fact we've had this great player here and wish him luck in the future and think credit is deserved for getting him here.
Re: Hayman gone - IT'S OFFICIAL
Posted by: Monkey1 (IP Logged)
Date: 22 March, 2010 14:51
Agreed. Trying to make out that his presence has been a negative is weird thinking to say the least. Adding Hayman to the clear out when he was one of the few actually bringing strength to the team as a whole, madness.
Re: Hayman gone - IT'S OFFICIAL
Posted by: DGNTR (IP Logged)
Date: 22 March, 2010 15:22
Commercially, perhaps not though.
Re: Hayman gone - IT'S OFFICIAL
Posted by: m91falcon (IP Logged)
Date: 22 March, 2010 16:15
he must have given up on a world cup place,the money must be too good in France..still probably the best prop in the world
Re: Hayman gone - IT'S OFFICIAL
Posted by: DGNTR (IP Logged)
Date: 22 March, 2010 16:38
Big exchange losses though...
Re: Hayman gone - IT'S OFFICIAL
Posted by: nursepete (IP Logged)
Date: 22 March, 2010 17:11
Good luck Carl, thanks for developing our front row in your time here. It will be a long time before we see any World Class players of his calibre in a Falcons shirt.
Re: Hayman gone - IT'S OFFICIAL
Posted by: Way out west (IP Logged)
Date: 22 March, 2010 19:16
I'm trying to imagine the outcry on this board if the club had let Hayman go last year. Thumper and the club in general would have been slated morning, noon and night for allowing it to happen. Especially with all the other experience that left at the end of last season.
And if Wilson had stayed, he would have been missing for large parts of the season and presumably the next several also.
The extra year of Hayman with a good quality replacement who is available all season seems the better option to me
And if Wilson had stayed, he would have been missing for large parts of the season and presumably the next several also.
The extra year of Hayman with a good quality replacement who is available all season seems the better option to me
Re: Hayman gone - IT'S OFFICIAL
Posted by: Monkey1 (IP Logged)
Date: 22 March, 2010 19:19
As you say WoW, the club would get slated no matter what they did.
Re: Hayman gone - IT'S OFFICIAL
Posted by: DGNTR (IP Logged)
Date: 22 March, 2010 21:11
"with a good quality replacement who is available all season"
Ok then, let's see who we get...
Ok then, let's see who we get...
Re: Hayman gone - IT'S OFFICIAL
Posted by: steve1888 (IP Logged)
Date: 22 March, 2010 21:16
I love it when people make comments about signing a benchwarmer - we've signed some bloody good ones in Amesbury Hudson, Tulip and even Matt Burke was or could have even been classed as a reject. Its not always as easy as whether they start or not and more so why they arent or who is keeping them out.
Re: Hayman gone - IT'S OFFICIAL
Posted by: Running Rugby (IP Logged)
Date: 22 March, 2010 21:23
Aslong as we dont get Tonga Leaaetoa, he is 33 years old and doesnt play a full game for Toulon.
A good prop in the past but too old for the falcons.
We need a 25-29 year old quality proven prop, international or not.
Formerly Super 14.
A good prop in the past but too old for the falcons.
We need a 25-29 year old quality proven prop, international or not.
Formerly Super 14.
Re: Hayman gone - IT'S OFFICIAL
Posted by: Thespence_uk (IP Logged)
Date: 22 March, 2010 23:37
I like the fella a lot but this utter guff about "hardest decisions of my life" when the option that was chosen was the same one that got him here i.e the deal with the most KERCHING, KERCHING & MORE KERCHING!!!
[www.youtube.com]#
[www.youtube.com]#
Re: Hayman gone - IT'S OFFICIAL
Posted by: Trouble_gb (IP Logged)
Date: 23 March, 2010 09:13
I think you are being slightly unfair to Tonga - as a London Irish season ticket holder we were absolutely gutted to lose him and I think the majority of us would have him back at the drop of a hat.
Fantastic guy and fully commited to the game!
I think he could surprise you.
Fantastic guy and fully commited to the game!
I think he could surprise you.
Re: Hayman gone - IT'S OFFICIAL
Posted by: TouchLine (IP Logged)
Date: 23 March, 2010 09:51
More from the man himself
“Earning power is a part of it, but so is Toulon’s form and the fact they are looking to push on into the Heineken Cup next year and they could even possibly win the Top 14 this year.
“They are a club really on the move and it will be exciting to go and be a part of that.”
Not quite like us then!
“Earning power is a part of it, but so is Toulon’s form and the fact they are looking to push on into the Heineken Cup next year and they could even possibly win the Top 14 this year.
“They are a club really on the move and it will be exciting to go and be a part of that.”
Not quite like us then!
Re: Hayman gone - IT'S OFFICIAL
Posted by: .Mark Smith (IP Logged)
Date: 23 March, 2010 10:15
Just as a matter of record, Tonga has started more games than he has benched for Toulon this season.
Not to say that he is or isn't coming here, but just adding a factual slant to the debate as many seemed to be under the mistaken impression that he was on the bench more often than starting.
He's made 17 appearances for Toulon this season, and started in the majority of those.
Cheers
Smithy
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Not to say that he is or isn't coming here, but just adding a factual slant to the debate as many seemed to be under the mistaken impression that he was on the bench more often than starting.
He's made 17 appearances for Toulon this season, and started in the majority of those.
Cheers
Smithy
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 23/03/2010 10:16 by .Mark Smith.
Re: Hayman gone - IT'S OFFICIAL
Posted by: Monkey1 (IP Logged)
Date: 23 March, 2010 10:37
Aye up, is that Smithy not denying things again.
Re: Hayman gone - IT'S OFFICIAL
Posted by: DGNTR (IP Logged)
Date: 24 March, 2010 13:28
How does he have that info?
Re: Hayman gone - IT'S OFFICIAL
Posted by: .Mark Smith (IP Logged)
Date: 24 March, 2010 14:30
DG,
The info is freely available on various websites, eg: lnr.fr, eurosport.fr , statsbunker, ercrugby.com .
I simply saw the thread on here calling him ill-informed names such as "bench warmer" and read claims saying that he was a replacement more often than not.
I suspected it was wrong and that he had in fact started the majority of his 17 games for Toulon this season. I checked the stats and, lo and behold, I was correct.
Cheers
Smithy
Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 24/03/2010 14:35 by .Mark Smith.
The info is freely available on various websites, eg: lnr.fr, eurosport.fr , statsbunker, ercrugby.com .
I simply saw the thread on here calling him ill-informed names such as "bench warmer" and read claims saying that he was a replacement more often than not.
I suspected it was wrong and that he had in fact started the majority of his 17 games for Toulon this season. I checked the stats and, lo and behold, I was correct.
Cheers
Smithy
Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 24/03/2010 14:35 by .Mark Smith.
Re: Hayman gone - IT'S OFFICIAL
Posted by: north angel (IP Logged)
Date: 24 March, 2010 15:09
Well done smithy tell them !!!Maybe they think you get info out of thin air ,Doh!!!
Re: Hayman gone - IT'S OFFICIAL
Posted by: .Mark Smith (IP Logged)
Date: 24 March, 2010 15:36
We've also got access to every single Top 14, Heineken Cup, Amlin, Magners, LV, Italian league, Super 14, ANZ Cup, Currie Cup and Test match through our video download subscription, and we can access all of these at the push of a button.
So in terms of player footage and info, there is certainly no shortage of material to work with.
Cheers
Smithy
So in terms of player footage and info, there is certainly no shortage of material to work with.
Cheers
Smithy
Re: Hayman gone - IT'S OFFICIAL
Posted by: pityacker (IP Logged)
Date: 24 March, 2010 15:52
Smithy - the stats on statbunker are way different from yours for Tonga.He has started 3 Euro challenge games and sub in 1 and started 5 Top 14 and sub in 12 making a total of 8 starts and 13 times on the bench therefore easily spending most of the season benched.Sorry dont know how to do the link.
Re: Hayman gone - IT'S OFFICIAL
Posted by: .Mark Smith (IP Logged)
Date: 24 March, 2010 15:58
Official Top 14 stats and official ERC stats say played 17, started nine.
Top 14: [www.rugbyrama.fr]
ERC: [www.ercrugby.com]
Cheers
Smithy
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Top 14: [www.rugbyrama.fr]
ERC: [www.ercrugby.com]
Cheers
Smithy
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 24/03/2010 16:02 by .Mark Smith.
Re: Hayman gone - IT'S OFFICIAL
Posted by: pityacker (IP Logged)
Date: 24 March, 2010 16:59
This probably has 1 game to add but Tonga starts 8 and 13 on the bench,silly point but it shows most of the games he has been benched as the newspaper who printed that we were enquiring about him statedTongas game by game minutes on pitch
Re: Hayman gone - IT'S OFFICIAL
Posted by: Monkey1 (IP Logged)
Date: 24 March, 2010 17:56
Christ this is tedious.
Re: Hayman gone - IT'S OFFICIAL
Posted by: DGNTR (IP Logged)
Date: 24 March, 2010 21:45
Why is Smithy so hell bent on defending this chap??...
Re: Hayman gone - IT'S OFFICIAL
Posted by: roberts (IP Logged)
Date: 25 March, 2010 00:43
Don't feel like reading the whole thread, but wanted to wish Hayman best of luck next year and thank him for his valuable service to Newcastle. Must admit...was hoping to see him in the all-blacks jersey next year. Maybe NZ will change the rule.
Re: Hayman gone - IT'S OFFICIAL
Posted by: .Mark Smith (IP Logged)
Date: 25 March, 2010 08:28
DG,
I'm not hell bent on defending anyone, I just don't think it's especially fair to label a player as a 'bench warmer' when he has started more games than he has benched, as the stats show.
Pityacker, the stats clearly say he has played 17 games, of which he has started nine. I've even added the links so you can check them.
That's not to say he is or isn't coming here, but I'm just getting across the accurate stats so that any criticism on here is based on fact rather than misunderstanding.
Cheers
Smithy
I'm not hell bent on defending anyone, I just don't think it's especially fair to label a player as a 'bench warmer' when he has started more games than he has benched, as the stats show.
Pityacker, the stats clearly say he has played 17 games, of which he has started nine. I've even added the links so you can check them.
That's not to say he is or isn't coming here, but I'm just getting across the accurate stats so that any criticism on here is based on fact rather than misunderstanding.
Cheers
Smithy
Re: Hayman gone - IT'S OFFICIAL
Posted by: alas (IP Logged)
Date: 25 March, 2010 08:51
Pityacker's version is a lot more accurate than Smithy's. If you look at Toulon’s league games this season Davit Kubriashvili has started 16 games, been on the bench for 4. Tonga Laa'aetoa has started 5 games had been on the bench for 12. He has not started any of the last five league games. On the rare occasions he starts he gets replaced early in the second half. Kubriashvili is obviously Toulon’s starting tight head, Laa'aetoa the bench player.
Re: Hayman gone - IT'S OFFICIAL
Posted by: .Mark Smith (IP Logged)
Date: 25 March, 2010 09:03
In all competitions he has played 17 games, and started nine of those.
That's all I said.
Look, I'm not the guy's agent, so I'll just leave it there. I just thought it was a tad unfair to label the guy as a 'bench warmer' when he has started in the majority of his 17 appearances this season.
Cheers
Smithy
That's all I said.
Look, I'm not the guy's agent, so I'll just leave it there. I just thought it was a tad unfair to label the guy as a 'bench warmer' when he has started in the majority of his 17 appearances this season.
Cheers
Smithy
Re: Hayman gone - IT'S OFFICIAL
Posted by: DGNTR (IP Logged)
Date: 25 March, 2010 11:42
So when he does sign for us?
Re: Hayman gone - IT'S OFFICIAL
Posted by: Silvergiraffes (IP Logged)
Date: 25 March, 2010 14:44
So in fact he has started 52.9% and been on the bench for 47.1% (roughly). Roughly a 50% bench warmer then.. Who would that equate to in our club? Without looking it up I reckon Bobo is about there or there abouts.
Re: Hayman gone - IT'S OFFICIAL
Posted by: Monkey1 (IP Logged)
Date: 25 March, 2010 14:54
I am sure that Barf felt the same about signing a certain bench warmer called Wilson.
Out of context all these stats are pointless, and there is no indication that he is even being considered for the Falcons anyway so it is all a bit nonsensical.
Good word that.
Out of context all these stats are pointless, and there is no indication that he is even being considered for the Falcons anyway so it is all a bit nonsensical.
Good word that.
Re: Hayman gone - IT'S OFFICIAL
Posted by: .Mark Smith (IP Logged)
Date: 25 March, 2010 14:56
Bobz has started 17 and benched 9 games this season for us.
Cheers
Smithy
Cheers
Smithy
Re: Hayman gone - IT'S OFFICIAL
Posted by: ladybird1922 (IP Logged)
Date: 25 March, 2010 16:59
Find it funny how everyone has there opinion on this nfella and really not ever seen him play for at least a year. If he does come or who ever the club does sign why do we not wait and make an opinion of him after a few games in our colours.
Re: Hayman gone - IT'S OFFICIAL
Posted by: DGNTR (IP Logged)
Date: 25 March, 2010 18:10
Fair point Birdie, but the fact that this fella is 33 does not bode well if he is Carl's replacement, that's all.
Re: Hayman gone - IT'S OFFICIAL
Posted by: Monkey1 (IP Logged)
Date: 25 March, 2010 19:04
I am confused, where did anybody get the idea that this bloke is heading to KP anyway? Sounds to me like the silly season just got sillier.
Re: Hayman gone - IT'S OFFICIAL
Posted by: DGNTR (IP Logged)
Date: 25 March, 2010 20:39
Not my sauce, my sauce says not.
Re: Hayman gone - IT'S OFFICIAL
Posted by: Running Rugby (IP Logged)
Date: 25 March, 2010 20:45
Quote:Monkey1
I am confused, where did anybody get the idea that this bloke is heading to KP anyway? Sounds to me like the silly season just got sillier.
It was first reported in the rugby times.
Formerly Super 14.
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