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Deano?
Discussion started by Tigergeezer , 26 February, 2012 08:56
Deano?
Tigergeezer 26 February, 2012 08:56
Rumour, which may be total baalix (it's about third-hand before it cam past me), apparently starting to do the rounds that Deano goes to Falcons for next season. Not sure I can quite see it happening, but really interesting if there is anything in it. Anyone better informed than me know anything?

Re: Deano?
Monkey1 26 February, 2012 08:59
That rumour has been whispered for a while, I would assume utter cobblers until something more tangible is available.

Re: Deano?
Leipziger 26 February, 2012 09:00
Isn't he going to Worcester? I'd be disappointed if we aren't at least making an attempt though.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 26/02/2012 09:01 by Leipziger.

Re: Deano?
Getitright 26 February, 2012 09:41
Monkey,

The only bit that isn't rumour and 'utter cobblers' is that he was spotted in the North East with Kurdi at one of his establishments.

After that the rumours can (and have) been started!

Re: Deano?
Tigergeezer 26 February, 2012 09:54
He's definitely not going to Wuss, so maybe this rumour has legs.

I do like a good bit of rumour and speculation.

Re: Deano?
Kwa444 26 February, 2012 10:06
Deano has a good old boys network with his old Tigers mates.

He is always considered as someone who would be fantastic to have as DOR and ideally the first to contact for that reason.

Deano's meeting with Kurdi may have facilitated the move by Wells to Falcons.

Though like all above, I would very much like to see some truth in the rumour of him coming to us.

Re: Deano?
digitalsys 26 February, 2012 10:11
Conversely he would be a fool not to be looking at his options also - he might receive an offer he cannot refuse .... so it would be ill-advised on his part not to look at all proposals on the table - and they will be out there - even for Deano!

Re: Deano?
Running Rugby 26 February, 2012 11:11
If Gary Gold cannot take up the job then Dean Richards would be an excellent choice. Has always put faith in youth, especially at Quins, and always had a go forward attacking game plan.

We shall have to see how things tun out for Gold and if we stay up first though....

Re: Deano?
Johns 26 February, 2012 11:16
The Rugby paper reports this morning Deano is going to you after turning Sale down.

If he is expect Wells to stay.

Re: Deano?
Thespence_uk 26 February, 2012 12:13
Quote:
Kwa444
Deano's meeting with Kurdi may have facilitated the move by Wells to Falcons.

Wells joining came about because of Ford. Sourceconfused smileymithys interview with Ford.

Re: Deano?
Kwa444 26 February, 2012 12:16
That would be fantastic news whether we retain AP status or not.

I personally believe that Quins have been excellent under O'Shea, but that they would have got where they are 2 years earlier if Deano hadn't left.

He is also the sort of DOR/coach who will be able to attract the quality of player and other coach to give Falcons a chance of going the way Kurdi wants.

Please, please, please let this rumour be true! Though I suspect we will lose him to England after 2 or 3 years if he performs as he has done in the past (Grenoble excepting!).

Re: Deano?
Getitright 26 February, 2012 12:42
Downside is that he is VERY much his own man and likes to have his own men around him.

Re: Deano?
Tythingrun 26 February, 2012 13:18
Not the most reliable source but The Rugby Paper says...

"Falcons are poised to announce that Dean Richards will be taking charge of them from the start of next season....
Richards has had talks with Falcons Warriors and Sharks....."

Re: Deano?
Running Rugby 26 February, 2012 13:31
ESPN have picked up on the story now -

[www.espnscrum.com]

Re: Deano?
Kwa444 26 February, 2012 16:43
Well I guess Deano will be forced to comment on it one way or other in the next few days so we should get an answer.

Spence - wouldn't be surprised if Wells had Falcons coming at him from several directions then.

Re: Deano?
Getitright 26 February, 2012 17:03
Doubt anyone will want to upset the positive aura percolating through KP at the moment.

The DR thing has been on the go for over a month so it's taken a while to surface anyway.

Best to concentrate on the current team/coaching set up and aim for Premiership survival.

Re: Deano?
Falc Dancer 26 February, 2012 19:59
This is what I thught would happen all along, Gold to take over till end of the season and Deano to come in and I would be more than happy with that

if Deano did come in, who will be his coaching staff?

Re: Deano?
Heath Quinn 26 February, 2012 20:02
From memory, I wouldn't expect Deano to comment at all.

Obviously he can't come back to us. But I really wish him well. He has served his time and deserves a break.

He was a big part of making us what we are now, and that should not be forgotten. Which ever club secures his services will be very lucky.

On top of that, he is a genuinely nice guy who was always very approachable and fun to talk to.

Good luck to you if you do manage to sign him.

Re: Deano?
Johns 26 February, 2012 20:18
If Dean joins you I would expect Wells will continue as your forwards coach, they are big mates from their playing days with us.

Re: Deano?
Running Rugby 26 February, 2012 20:22
Any announcement will not be made until the season is over because I believe that would undermine anything that Gary Gold has built up in his short time here.

Plus, Deano is a really nice bloke, as well as a professional, and I would bet on him not wanting to upset any of the current set up by announcing anything himself either.

Coincidentally, when does his ban end?

Re: Deano?
ninjaboy 26 February, 2012 21:15
Difficult call to appoint this man. Banned for leading a regime of cheats. Could improve results, though, if you like that sort of thing.

Re: Deano?
lukelisa 26 February, 2012 23:15
I would not like Dean Richards to become director of rugby. I cannot forget what he did and no matter if he has served his ban I would always be uneasy. I do not think he would be an asset to the club.

Re: Deano?
SouthFalcon27 26 February, 2012 23:22
He took harlequins from relegation to the heineken cup quarter finals and the premiership playoffs. He may have made a massive error of judgement with the bloodgate thing, but his record can't be sniffed at. I think he has served his punishment for that, and hopefully he will be coming into the falcons to finally turn the team around after over a decade of stumbling around at the bottom.

But thats for the future. For the moment GG is our DoR. And he is in the middle of the miracle. So all the fans can do right now is get right behind him and the team. We can think about next season at the final whistle at wasps, whether that is in happiness at another season of prem rugby, or sadness but hope for the future.

Re: Deano?
lizard118 27 February, 2012 01:52
I would welcome him to KP with open arms. But lets not undermine the good work the current team is doing by giving this rumour too many legs.

Deano has served his time and I see no reason why he should not join us. Everyone deserves a second chance and seeing as his done his time there is no reason why he should continue to be persecuted. It's not like as he's the first or last person to cheat. Cheating in rugby, not that I am condoning it, is wide-spread, it just transpired that he got caught. Wasps and uncontested scrums anyone?..

Re: Deano?
Leipziger 27 February, 2012 04:02
Cheating is widespread, people at every club do it in different ways, just not as blatantly as Richards etc. did in that Quins-Leinster game.

Remember about 10 years ago when almost every game the Falcons and Irish would bring on the replacement prop at half-time and then the original one back on for the other starter after an hour? There couldn't be an injury all the time! Nobody called for Rob Andrew to be sacked or banned over that.

Re: Deano?
Kwa444 27 February, 2012 08:06
Richards got caught and deserved what he got.

However, he was unlucky to be the one who did get caught and he was made an example of.

He has paid the price and done his punishment with good grace and he should be allowed to take his chances now.

He would be good for Falcons, and I hope he gets the chance and takes it, but he will not be able to start until August time, so there is plenty for GG to do before then!

Re: Deano?
Tythingrun 27 February, 2012 09:34
Served his time and Rugbys been poorer without him.
I think we'll regret not bringing him to Sixways

Re: Deano?
nursepete 27 February, 2012 11:05
I can only see that Deano would be good for the Falcons, if we go down he has experience of building a team in the championship with Quins, if we survive, then he can build on that and take us onwards.
His record at Tigers and quins is better than we have had recently here at the Falcons.
As far as I can see, we have long asked for ambition and forward thinking from the club, Mr Kurdi is ringing the changes and bringing ambition and quality people to the club to deliver his vision, Richards is a stellar name, has served his ban and would be an excellent DoR for us.

Re: Deano?
rubyrhone 27 February, 2012 11:29
I am not convinced about Deano. I read the expression "his own man" with suspicion - inflexible and sees his way as the only way perhaps. I think he could exert undue influence on younger, less life experienced players.I'm not going into the past but think!!
I've been impressed with GG- seems to have the right ethics and he is good with the media too. Maybe he has other plans but I would like to see him stay next season.

Re: Deano?
Leipziger 27 February, 2012 11:50
I hate to harp on about the past, and obviously we won the cup two months later, but I sometimes wonder how different things could have been had we got Richards in straight after he left Leicester in early 2004.

Re: Deano?
Kwa444 27 February, 2012 12:23
The fact that DR is being discussed here seems to be under the implicatin that GG doesn't want the role full time and is happy with that.

There is no doubting what he has already done for the club.

DR is a strong character but that is what sport management needs nowadays - look at Ferguson in football and Henry in rugby. It takes that to control some of the egos involved - and I know it is not as bad in rugby as in football, but the youngsters are not that different.

Richards was not entirely his own man at Leicester as he had to work with Peter Tom and Peter Wheeler who have a huge influence. Maybe he was left more alone at Quins, but why would you meddle in something that was apparently working so well?

He has a resilience that we have been missing since 1998 and he will bring it back. It is now 15 years since we have had a side producing consistently competitive performances - 2 decades ago.

Re: Deano?
Monkey1 27 February, 2012 12:48
Does anybody actually know if Gold is potentially our DoR for next season? I am certainly happy with what I have seen so far.

Re: Deano?
limpopo 27 February, 2012 13:00
I would be very happy to see G.G carry on next season come what may.

Re: Deano?
Go Quins Go! 27 February, 2012 13:24
I for one would be happy to see Dean get a job with you guys. Top class coach and always gets the results he demands.

Probable learned a lesson or two recently as well...

Good luck everyone!



GQG.

Re: Deano?
sour 27 February, 2012 14:59
Double G has never talked about staying on past the end of the year. Although he has been asked at least twice to my recollection once by smithy once by someone else

Re: Deano?
Happy Hooker 27 February, 2012 15:06
I would like to see Gold stay next season come what may - but the decision is down to him. If he decides to leave for whatever reason then Dean Ryan would be an excellent swap.

Despite his ban Deano is still a respected and knowledgable coach and his mere presence at KP would galvanise interest in the club.

Re: Deano?
Peter Taylor 27 February, 2012 16:25
Although all supposition and innuendo at the moment, what we really need to concentrate on is making sure that who ever is DoR next season, he is DoR of a Premiership club.

If that DoR is to be GG then all well and good as he has shown to me that he knows what he wants and how to get it, but we only have him contracted for 3 months and he is on record as saying he is only here because he was available for that time period.

If at the end of the season Gary Gold is leaving and we do bring in DR then we have a massive name, with an outstanding record, apart from that last season. he will bring a desire to win, and I think that he will have learnt a lesson and are we going to be complaining if we are in the upper reaches of the Premiership and other competitions are we.

I think that our new owner has made a massive statement about what he wants from this club and I am massively behind him on that. If he wants DR then good and if he wants other coaches that is up to him, he writes the cheques!

Until then I will support the present regime and that starts with tonight's 2nd XV at Durham Univerisy, see our new lock and returning No. 8, and then on Friday as we go in search of the win that will scare the pants of Wasps.

Be Loud in your support of Falcons

Re: Deano?
limpopo 27 February, 2012 17:01
Well said Pete, with you all the way on that

Re: Deano?
Monkey1 27 February, 2012 17:14
Quote:
Peter Taylor
Be Loud in your support of Falcons

I like that bit.
(Sm152)

Re: Deano?
galliano2001 27 February, 2012 18:21
I cant see him coming to us (Sale) as his personality and Steve Diamond's would be hard work to please within the same club!

Re: Deano?
ninjaboy 27 February, 2012 21:59
Some disturbing pro Richards trends here. Never mind the morality, feel the results. Winning at all costs, that's what matters! Think i'd rather be relegated playing it straight than playing in the Heineken and cheating.

Re: Deano?
RucknRoll 27 February, 2012 22:28
"Double G has never talked about staying on past the end of the year. Although he has been asked at least twice to my recollection once by smithy once by someone else".

Gold was interviewed on Total Sport on BBC Radio Newcastle the Thursday before last. Any questions about next season he tucked away neatly to square leg and gave nothing away. I liked his style. He did say however that the place had got under his skin....so who knows. I think anyone who pulled off what WOULD be the Great Escape - forget Steve McQueen and that prat who couldn't measure the tunnel length correctly - who think twice about leaving.

Re: Deano?
Thespence_uk 27 February, 2012 23:15
With Southern Kings going into the Super 15 next season there may be options for GG to return home in some capacity.He/his agent would be foolish to play there hand so early.

Re: Deano?
Leipziger 28 February, 2012 05:23
Ninja - as I said above every team bends the rules and does what it believes it can get away with, including the Falcons. Richards went too far and was rightly punished. If he joins us when his ban is over I will be the first to welcome him.

Re: Deano?
Oxonian 28 February, 2012 09:33
Notice Gold talking in Smithys report - "in my short time here". Seems like he wasnt expecting to be working this year and this opportunity just came out of the blue. Best of luck to him and thanks whether or not we stay up.

DR would be another great choice

Re: Deano?
Rich W 28 February, 2012 09:44
It's odd how many people believe that punishments should extend, on an arbitrary, subjective basis, beyond those meeted out by the authorities.

Some rule of law...



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Re: Deano?
ninjaboy 28 February, 2012 10:00
Rule of law is one thing, morality quite another. He did indeed "serve his time"' what else could he do? And now that the ban is coming to an end he's entitled to coach again. None of this makes what he did right, though, or an attractive prospect as an employee.

Re: Deano?
Leipziger 28 February, 2012 10:07
On the other hand though, since Richards has been caught it is possible he will now be less likely to cheat than anyone else, because he won't want another ban!

Re: Deano?
Rich W 28 February, 2012 10:18
How does anyone who does not know him personally know that he is not chastened by this whole affair? That he is not remorseful and penitent? That he has not rehabilitated himself?

The punishment is what the game - through its institutions - determines to be an appropriate as restitution for his offence. Further punishment is both unjust and pernicious. Suggestion that there is a 'moral' dimension that requires forther retribution is both subjective and actually morally indefensible. It is a charter for mob rule.

In my experience of Dean he was always a genuinely honest man - he didn't mind bending the laws of the game - but always in the spirit of the game (like most of us who have played at any level) and the blood-gate thing as and act of predetermined cheating was quite out of character. That he was the one caught when numerous others were doing the same or similar seems to be beyond the wit of some to appreciate. He didn't invent the abuse of the blood-bin regs

I suspect that he will come out of this chastened by the experience, stronger and if anything with a more certain moral compass.

In that contect it would, mo, be folly for the game to lose his ability and charisma.



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Re: Deano?
ninjaboy 28 February, 2012 10:31
An interesting viewpoint, but to contend it is not acceptable to dissaprove of someones behaviour simply because the offender has served their time is a strange view. Not knowing him personally is neither here nor there, a man is largely judged by his actions, and his were entirely wrong.

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