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Deano?
Tigergeezer (IP Logged)
26 February, 2012 08:56
Rumour, which may be total baalix (it's about third-hand before it cam past me), apparently starting to do the rounds that Deano goes to Falcons for next season. Not sure I can quite see it happening, but really interesting if there is anything in it. Anyone better informed than me know anything?

 
Re: Deano?
Monkey1 (IP Logged)
26 February, 2012 08:59
That rumour has been whispered for a while, I would assume utter cobblers until something more tangible is available.

 
Re: Deano?
Leipziger (IP Logged)
26 February, 2012 09:00
Isn't he going to Worcester? I'd be disappointed if we aren't at least making an attempt though.



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A one that got away.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 26/02/2012 09:01 by Leipziger.

 
Re: Deano?
Getitright (IP Logged)
26 February, 2012 09:41
Monkey,

The only bit that isn't rumour and 'utter cobblers' is that he was spotted in the North East with Kurdi at one of his establishments.

After that the rumours can (and have) been started!

 
Re: Deano?
Tigergeezer (IP Logged)
26 February, 2012 09:54
He's definitely not going to Wuss, so maybe this rumour has legs.

I do like a good bit of rumour and speculation.

 
Re: Deano?
Kwa444 (IP Logged)
26 February, 2012 10:06
Deano has a good old boys network with his old Tigers mates.

He is always considered as someone who would be fantastic to have as DOR and ideally the first to contact for that reason.

Deano's meeting with Kurdi may have facilitated the move by Wells to Falcons.

Though like all above, I would very much like to see some truth in the rumour of him coming to us.

 
Re: Deano?
digitalsys (IP Logged)
26 February, 2012 10:11
Conversely he would be a fool not to be looking at his options also - he might receive an offer he cannot refuse .... so it would be ill-advised on his part not to look at all proposals on the table - and they will be out there - even for Deano!

 
Re: Deano?
Running Rugby (IP Logged)
26 February, 2012 11:11
If Gary Gold cannot take up the job then Dean Richards would be an excellent choice. Has always put faith in youth, especially at Quins, and always had a go forward attacking game plan.

We shall have to see how things tun out for Gold and if we stay up first though....

 
Re: Deano?
Johns (IP Logged)
26 February, 2012 11:16
The Rugby paper reports this morning Deano is going to you after turning Sale down.

If he is expect Wells to stay.

 
Re: Deano?
Thespence_uk (IP Logged)
26 February, 2012 12:13
Quote:
Kwa444
Deano's meeting with Kurdi may have facilitated the move by Wells to Falcons.

Wells joining came about because of Ford. Sourceconfused smileymithys interview with Ford.

 
Re: Deano?
Kwa444 (IP Logged)
26 February, 2012 12:16
That would be fantastic news whether we retain AP status or not.

I personally believe that Quins have been excellent under O'Shea, but that they would have got where they are 2 years earlier if Deano hadn't left.

He is also the sort of DOR/coach who will be able to attract the quality of player and other coach to give Falcons a chance of going the way Kurdi wants.

Please, please, please let this rumour be true! Though I suspect we will lose him to England after 2 or 3 years if he performs as he has done in the past (Grenoble excepting!).

 
Re: Deano?
Getitright (IP Logged)
26 February, 2012 12:42
Downside is that he is VERY much his own man and likes to have his own men around him.

 
Re: Deano?
Tythingrun (IP Logged)
26 February, 2012 13:18
Not the most reliable source but The Rugby Paper says...

"Falcons are poised to announce that Dean Richards will be taking charge of them from the start of next season....
Richards has had talks with Falcons Warriors and Sharks....."

 
Re: Deano?
Running Rugby (IP Logged)
26 February, 2012 13:31
ESPN have picked up on the story now -

[www.espnscrum.com]

 
Re: Deano?
Kwa444 (IP Logged)
26 February, 2012 16:43
Well I guess Deano will be forced to comment on it one way or other in the next few days so we should get an answer.

Spence - wouldn't be surprised if Wells had Falcons coming at him from several directions then.

 
Re: Deano?
Getitright (IP Logged)
26 February, 2012 17:03
Doubt anyone will want to upset the positive aura percolating through KP at the moment.

The DR thing has been on the go for over a month so it's taken a while to surface anyway.

Best to concentrate on the current team/coaching set up and aim for Premiership survival.

 
Re: Deano?
Falc Dancer (IP Logged)
26 February, 2012 19:59
This is what I thught would happen all along, Gold to take over till end of the season and Deano to come in and I would be more than happy with that

if Deano did come in, who will be his coaching staff?

 
Re: Deano?
Heath Quinn (IP Logged)
26 February, 2012 20:02
From memory, I wouldn't expect Deano to comment at all.

Obviously he can't come back to us. But I really wish him well. He has served his time and deserves a break.

He was a big part of making us what we are now, and that should not be forgotten. Which ever club secures his services will be very lucky.

On top of that, he is a genuinely nice guy who was always very approachable and fun to talk to.

Good luck to you if you do manage to sign him.

 
Re: Deano?
Johns (IP Logged)
26 February, 2012 20:18
If Dean joins you I would expect Wells will continue as your forwards coach, they are big mates from their playing days with us.

 
Re: Deano?
Running Rugby (IP Logged)
26 February, 2012 20:22
Any announcement will not be made until the season is over because I believe that would undermine anything that Gary Gold has built up in his short time here.

Plus, Deano is a really nice bloke, as well as a professional, and I would bet on him not wanting to upset any of the current set up by announcing anything himself either.

Coincidentally, when does his ban end?

 
Re: Deano?
ninjaboy (IP Logged)
26 February, 2012 21:15
Difficult call to appoint this man. Banned for leading a regime of cheats. Could improve results, though, if you like that sort of thing.

 
Re: Deano?
lukelisa (IP Logged)
26 February, 2012 23:15
I would not like Dean Richards to become director of rugby. I cannot forget what he did and no matter if he has served his ban I would always be uneasy. I do not think he would be an asset to the club.

 
Re: Deano?
telfs123 (IP Logged)
26 February, 2012 23:22
He took harlequins from relegation to the heineken cup quarter finals and the premiership playoffs. He may have made a massive error of judgement with the bloodgate thing, but his record can't be sniffed at. I think he has served his punishment for that, and hopefully he will be coming into the falcons to finally turn the team around after over a decade of stumbling around at the bottom.

But thats for the future. For the moment GG is our DoR. And he is in the middle of the miracle. So all the fans can do right now is get right behind him and the team. We can think about next season at the final whistle at wasps, whether that is in happiness at another season of prem rugby, or sadness but hope for the future.

 
Re: Deano?
lizard118 (IP Logged)
27 February, 2012 01:52
I would welcome him to KP with open arms. But lets not undermine the good work the current team is doing by giving this rumour too many legs.

Deano has served his time and I see no reason why he should not join us. Everyone deserves a second chance and seeing as his done his time there is no reason why he should continue to be persecuted. It's not like as he's the first or last person to cheat. Cheating in rugby, not that I am condoning it, is wide-spread, it just transpired that he got caught. Wasps and uncontested scrums anyone?..

 
Re: Deano?
Leipziger (IP Logged)
27 February, 2012 04:02
Cheating is widespread, people at every club do it in different ways, just not as blatantly as Richards etc. did in that Quins-Leinster game.

Remember about 10 years ago when almost every game the Falcons and Irish would bring on the replacement prop at half-time and then the original one back on for the other starter after an hour? There couldn't be an injury all the time! Nobody called for Rob Andrew to be sacked or banned over that.



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A one that got away.

 
Re: Deano?
Kwa444 (IP Logged)
27 February, 2012 08:06
Richards got caught and deserved what he got.

However, he was unlucky to be the one who did get caught and he was made an example of.

He has paid the price and done his punishment with good grace and he should be allowed to take his chances now.

He would be good for Falcons, and I hope he gets the chance and takes it, but he will not be able to start until August time, so there is plenty for GG to do before then!

 
Re: Deano?
Tythingrun (IP Logged)
27 February, 2012 09:34
Served his time and Rugbys been poorer without him.
I think we'll regret not bringing him to Sixways

 
Re: Deano?
nursepete (IP Logged)
27 February, 2012 11:05
I can only see that Deano would be good for the Falcons, if we go down he has experience of building a team in the championship with Quins, if we survive, then he can build on that and take us onwards.
His record at Tigers and quins is better than we have had recently here at the Falcons.
As far as I can see, we have long asked for ambition and forward thinking from the club, Mr Kurdi is ringing the changes and bringing ambition and quality people to the club to deliver his vision, Richards is a stellar name, has served his ban and would be an excellent DoR for us.

 
Re: Deano?
rubyrhone (IP Logged)
27 February, 2012 11:29
I am not convinced about Deano. I read the expression "his own man" with suspicion - inflexible and sees his way as the only way perhaps. I think he could exert undue influence on younger, less life experienced players.I'm not going into the past but think!!
I've been impressed with GG- seems to have the right ethics and he is good with the media too. Maybe he has other plans but I would like to see him stay next season.

 
Re: Deano?
Leipziger (IP Logged)
27 February, 2012 11:50
I hate to harp on about the past, and obviously we won the cup two months later, but I sometimes wonder how different things could have been had we got Richards in straight after he left Leicester in early 2004.



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A one that got away.

 
Re: Deano?
Kwa444 (IP Logged)
27 February, 2012 12:23
The fact that DR is being discussed here seems to be under the implicatin that GG doesn't want the role full time and is happy with that.

There is no doubting what he has already done for the club.

DR is a strong character but that is what sport management needs nowadays - look at Ferguson in football and Henry in rugby. It takes that to control some of the egos involved - and I know it is not as bad in rugby as in football, but the youngsters are not that different.

Richards was not entirely his own man at Leicester as he had to work with Peter Tom and Peter Wheeler who have a huge influence. Maybe he was left more alone at Quins, but why would you meddle in something that was apparently working so well?

He has a resilience that we have been missing since 1998 and he will bring it back. It is now 15 years since we have had a side producing consistently competitive performances - 2 decades ago.

 
Re: Deano?
Monkey1 (IP Logged)
27 February, 2012 12:48
Does anybody actually know if Gold is potentially our DoR for next season? I am certainly happy with what I have seen so far.

 
Re: Deano?
limpopo (IP Logged)
27 February, 2012 13:00
I would be very happy to see G.G carry on next season come what may.

 
Re: Deano?
Go Quins Go! (IP Logged)
27 February, 2012 13:24
I for one would be happy to see Dean get a job with you guys. Top class coach and always gets the results he demands.

Probable learned a lesson or two recently as well...

Good luck everyone!



GQG.

 
Re: Deano?
sour (IP Logged)
27 February, 2012 14:59
Double G has never talked about staying on past the end of the year. Although he has been asked at least twice to my recollection once by smithy once by someone else

 
Re: Deano?
Happy Hooker (IP Logged)
27 February, 2012 15:06
I would like to see Gold stay next season come what may - but the decision is down to him. If he decides to leave for whatever reason then Dean Ryan would be an excellent swap.

Despite his ban Deano is still a respected and knowledgable coach and his mere presence at KP would galvanise interest in the club.

 
Re: Deano?
Peter Taylor (IP Logged)
27 February, 2012 16:25
Although all supposition and innuendo at the moment, what we really need to concentrate on is making sure that who ever is DoR next season, he is DoR of a Premiership club.

If that DoR is to be GG then all well and good as he has shown to me that he knows what he wants and how to get it, but we only have him contracted for 3 months and he is on record as saying he is only here because he was available for that time period.

If at the end of the season Gary Gold is leaving and we do bring in DR then we have a massive name, with an outstanding record, apart from that last season. he will bring a desire to win, and I think that he will have learnt a lesson and are we going to be complaining if we are in the upper reaches of the Premiership and other competitions are we.

I think that our new owner has made a massive statement about what he wants from this club and I am massively behind him on that. If he wants DR then good and if he wants other coaches that is up to him, he writes the cheques!

Until then I will support the present regime and that starts with tonight's 2nd XV at Durham Univerisy, see our new lock and returning No. 8, and then on Friday as we go in search of the win that will scare the pants of Wasps.

Be Loud in your support of Falcons

 
Re: Deano?
limpopo (IP Logged)
27 February, 2012 17:01
Well said Pete, with you all the way on that

 
Re: Deano?
Monkey1 (IP Logged)
27 February, 2012 17:14
Quote:
Peter Taylor
Be Loud in your support of Falcons

I like that bit.
(Sm152)

 
Re: Deano?
galliano2001 (IP Logged)
27 February, 2012 18:21
I cant see him coming to us (Sale) as his personality and Steve Diamond's would be hard work to please within the same club!

 
Re: Deano?
ninjaboy (IP Logged)
27 February, 2012 21:59
Some disturbing pro Richards trends here. Never mind the morality, feel the results. Winning at all costs, that's what matters! Think i'd rather be relegated playing it straight than playing in the Heineken and cheating.

 
Re: Deano?
RucknRoll™ (IP Logged)
27 February, 2012 22:28
"Double G has never talked about staying on past the end of the year. Although he has been asked at least twice to my recollection once by smithy once by someone else".

Gold was interviewed on Total Sport on BBC Radio Newcastle the Thursday before last. Any questions about next season he tucked away neatly to square leg and gave nothing away. I liked his style. He did say however that the place had got under his skin....so who knows. I think anyone who pulled off what WOULD be the Great Escape - forget Steve McQueen and that prat who couldn't measure the tunnel length correctly - who think twice about leaving.

 
Re: Deano?
Thespence_uk (IP Logged)
27 February, 2012 23:15
With Southern Kings going into the Super 15 next season there may be options for GG to return home in some capacity.He/his agent would be foolish to play there hand so early.

 
Re: Deano?
Leipziger (IP Logged)
28 February, 2012 05:23
Ninja - as I said above every team bends the rules and does what it believes it can get away with, including the Falcons. Richards went too far and was rightly punished. If he joins us when his ban is over I will be the first to welcome him.



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A one that got away.

 
Re: Deano?
Oxonian (IP Logged)
28 February, 2012 09:33
Notice Gold talking in Smithys report - "in my short time here". Seems like he wasnt expecting to be working this year and this opportunity just came out of the blue. Best of luck to him and thanks whether or not we stay up.

DR would be another great choice

 
Re: Deano?
Rich W (IP Logged)
28 February, 2012 09:44
It's odd how many people believe that punishments should extend, on an arbitrary, subjective basis, beyond those meeted out by the authorities.

Some rule of law...



...
To begin at the beginning:

It is spring, moonless night in the small town, starless
and bible-black, the cobblestreets silent and the hunched,
courters'-and-rabbits' wood limping invisible down to the
sloeblack, slow, black, crowblack, fishingboatbobbing sea.

 
Re: Deano?
ninjaboy (IP Logged)
28 February, 2012 10:00
Rule of law is one thing, morality quite another. He did indeed "serve his time"' what else could he do? And now that the ban is coming to an end he's entitled to coach again. None of this makes what he did right, though, or an attractive prospect as an employee.

 
Re: Deano?
Leipziger (IP Logged)
28 February, 2012 10:07
On the other hand though, since Richards has been caught it is possible he will now be less likely to cheat than anyone else, because he won't want another ban!



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A one that got away.

 
Re: Deano?
Rich W (IP Logged)
28 February, 2012 10:18
How does anyone who does not know him personally know that he is not chastened by this whole affair? That he is not remorseful and penitent? That he has not rehabilitated himself?

The punishment is what the game - through its institutions - determines to be an appropriate as restitution for his offence. Further punishment is both unjust and pernicious. Suggestion that there is a 'moral' dimension that requires forther retribution is both subjective and actually morally indefensible. It is a charter for mob rule.

In my experience of Dean he was always a genuinely honest man - he didn't mind bending the laws of the game - but always in the spirit of the game (like most of us who have played at any level) and the blood-gate thing as and act of predetermined cheating was quite out of character. That he was the one caught when numerous others were doing the same or similar seems to be beyond the wit of some to appreciate. He didn't invent the abuse of the blood-bin regs

I suspect that he will come out of this chastened by the experience, stronger and if anything with a more certain moral compass.

In that contect it would, mo, be folly for the game to lose his ability and charisma.



...
To begin at the beginning:

It is spring, moonless night in the small town, starless
and bible-black, the cobblestreets silent and the hunched,
courters'-and-rabbits' wood limping invisible down to the
sloeblack, slow, black, crowblack, fishingboatbobbing sea.

 
Re: Deano?
ninjaboy (IP Logged)
28 February, 2012 10:31
An interesting viewpoint, but to contend it is not acceptable to dissaprove of someones behaviour simply because the offender has served their time is a strange view. Not knowing him personally is neither here nor there, a man is largely judged by his actions, and his were entirely wrong.

 
Re: Deano?
Rich W (IP Logged)
28 February, 2012 10:50
I wasn't aware that I suggested we should not disapprove his behaviour. Nor that his actions were not wrong.

I simply said that in terms of his crime and the penalty paid for it he has in, the vernaccular, served his time (as laid down in law and adjudged by an impartial and approved judiciary) and should be allowed to continue his career.

To prevent him from so doing would be perverse and unjust.

To adjudge his moral worth without knowing his personality in the light of his sentence is both impossible and also unjust. One might argue that it is down to those who might interview him for future employment to use their skills and judgement to decide whether he has been rehabilitated and worthy of a further chance. But it would be wholly unfair to refuse him that opportunity.



...
To begin at the beginning:

It is spring, moonless night in the small town, starless
and bible-black, the cobblestreets silent and the hunched,
courters'-and-rabbits' wood limping invisible down to the
sloeblack, slow, black, crowblack, fishingboatbobbing sea.

 
Re: Deano?
scrum1/2 (IP Logged)
28 February, 2012 13:01
Hmmm, prisons are full of re-offenders, don't bank on him having learned his lessons.

 
Re: Deano?
citizen-slacker (IP Logged)
28 February, 2012 13:14
I wonder how many people will condemn the Murdochs, News of the Screws & the Sun, but keep their Sky boxes?

I believe in punishment & rehabilitation. It forms the central basis of my job, so if the rehabilitation has not worked then it can be the fault of the sentencing body.

I also believe in spent convictions not being held over people for former misdemeanours. If he reoffends, that is his choice (or was he pushed to do so at 'Quins?) & then the knives can come back out.

If he comes to the Falcons then he comes with a history, but not just a negative one. If, though, if.

 
Re: Deano?
Oxonian (IP Logged)
28 February, 2012 13:19
If rehabilitation does not work it is the sole fault of the offender not the sentencing body!

 
Re: Deano?
Rich W (IP Logged)
28 February, 2012 13:33
So if the wrong penalty is imposed encouraging the offender to believe that his/her offence was nugatory it isn't the fault of the sentencing body? Odd.

There are those who believe that Dean should have been banned for life (I'm not one of them - I don't believe in refusing the opportunity of rehabilitation - hence my key objection to the death penalty) but at least I can understand their view - they deem the penalty inadequate. But to seek to over-rule that penalty by imposing further punishment because you don't agree with the original is not the rule of law - it's called vigilantism. It's like a player deciding that the referee's sanction of another player is inadequate and chosing to right the perceived wrong himself - this usually results in the dismissal of the the retaliator.

If he has not learned his lesson - further - more swingeing penalty will follow any future infraction. I don't think we can make any safe assumptions about contrition and rehabilitation without further evidence. So at this point we have to assume (and to accept) that his punishment was fair, has been served, and that he deserves a second chance.



...
To begin at the beginning:

It is spring, moonless night in the small town, starless
and bible-black, the cobblestreets silent and the hunched,
courters'-and-rabbits' wood limping invisible down to the
sloeblack, slow, black, crowblack, fishingboatbobbing sea.

 
Re: Deano?
Quin Kong (IP Logged)
28 February, 2012 13:37
A great bloke you'll be very lucky having him.



QUIN KONG

 
Re: Deano?
citizen-slacker (IP Logged)
28 February, 2012 13:38
Quote:
Oxo
If rehabilitation does not work it is the sole fault of the offender not the sentencing body

If you offer the wrong rehabilitation (or indeed none) then all you have done is go for retribution, not offer justice. If somebody chooses not to engage in rehabilitation then they will probably reoffend & be back at square one.

Hell fire, reasoned debate over crime & punishment, this board HAS changed for the better (Sm152)

 
Re: Deano?
Monkey1 (IP Logged)
28 February, 2012 13:53
Taking all of the above into account I would reckon that Deans punishment was if anything on the severe side of things, he has been punished, we move on from there. It is now in the past, history, over with.

Anybody who fails to understand that simple principle is either a bigot or a vigilante & I dislike both.

 
Re: Deano?
Leipziger (IP Logged)
28 February, 2012 13:54
I'm going to go with Oxonian on this, it is the offender that chooses to re-offend. One solution is to pass a sentence that means the offender is either deterred from re-offending or is not able to re-offend.



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A one that got away.

 
Re: Deano?
Rich W (IP Logged)
28 February, 2012 14:09
But the point is that failure to impose such a sentence that the offender considers re-offending reasonable is the failure of the sentencing authority.

This is not about absolving offenders of responsibility but ensuring that penalties imposed are appropriate and effective in ensuring that they accept responsibility for their actions.



...
To begin at the beginning:

It is spring, moonless night in the small town, starless
and bible-black, the cobblestreets silent and the hunched,
courters'-and-rabbits' wood limping invisible down to the
sloeblack, slow, black, crowblack, fishingboatbobbing sea.

 
Re: Deano?
citizen-slacker (IP Logged)
28 February, 2012 14:33
Effective erehabilitation is getting the offender to realise their resposibilities & have them face the consequences of their actions.

Locking somebody in a glorified cage for 23 hours a day is punative but ineffective at preventing further offending.

Likewise, the death penalty does not lower the murder rate in any country that it is imposed.

Just banning Deano may have been enough to satisfy the blood thirsty (pun intended) but if (big if) it was his decision to use fake replacements then he could/should have been put in to a more wothy or worthwhile position, coaching, mentoring, educating on his own time as part of the reparation. Same that soem players have been forced to work with younger players, train to be referees or undertake promtional work as part of their bans.


I'd like to think of him as still having some integrity - when Quins were relegated Richards told all his players to buy their opposite number a drink after the game, to show that there was still tradition worth keeping in rugby & also that as a team they were not above their Championship rivals.

 
Re: Deano?
Kwa444 (IP Logged)
28 February, 2012 14:41
My feeling is that DR isn't stupid and loves the game. He wants to be England manager at some point and will probably make a good one too.

With that unfinished business he would be very foolish to re-offend and particularly as he will know he will be scrutinised far more than others because of previous form (whether we like that or not).

I think the only thing about the whole affair that still sticks a little in the gullet for me is that on the whole rugby playing planet he was the only one even remotely linked to cheating of any sort really. I think it would be naive to think he was the only one in the premiership, let alone the UK, let alone the rugby world.

Justice is only justice when it applies to all equally, not when some are more equal than others or when someone is made an example of.

 
Re: Deano?
Rich W (IP Logged)
28 February, 2012 15:06
But - in fairness - who else should have been punished? No-one else was caught. You can't absolve Dean simply because he was the only caught.

What is wrong is how little action seems to have been taken to identify and catch others.



...
To begin at the beginning:

It is spring, moonless night in the small town, starless
and bible-black, the cobblestreets silent and the hunched,
courters'-and-rabbits' wood limping invisible down to the
sloeblack, slow, black, crowblack, fishingboatbobbing sea.

 
Re: Deano?
lizard118 (IP Logged)
28 February, 2012 16:16
Everyone deserves a second chance fundamentally. He cheated was caught and served his time, so he must be allowed to do his job. My understanding last time I checked is that he didnt receive a life ban, so from a legal point he is free from whence his ban finishes to contract with whomever he wishes.

Morally, he has also paid his debt to society through his conscience, pocket, and general perception by others. I'm sure this has not affected just him but also his immediate family and anyone connected with him, in varying degrees.

Should his punishment continue without end just because some think what he did was morally reprehensible?

It's not as if he killed someone. Even murderers get a second chance so why shouldnt he? He has done his time and I'm sure the episode will play on his conscience long after his ban has finished, That's enough punishement for me. Give the man a break to continue with his trade.Let he who hasn't sinned be the first to throw the stone....

 
Re: Deano?
limpopo (IP Logged)
28 February, 2012 17:05
God.....this is getting serious and there was I thinking it was a topic board about rugby and the Falcons in particular!!!

 
Re: Deano?
Happy Hooker (IP Logged)
28 February, 2012 17:28
If Deano reads this thread he's probably decided he doesn't want the job anyway!

 
Re: Deano?
limpopo (IP Logged)
28 February, 2012 17:40
Too right, you wouldn't get odds that's for sure!

 
Re: Deano?
steve1888 (IP Logged)
28 February, 2012 18:54
I love the goodie goodie folk that post online condemning anyone that has done wrong - i'm pretty sure we'll have all done something we regret in the past.

People still love Epi on here and he bit someone on the pitch - blood capsule is nowt compared to an act like that or stamping or eye gouging yet a much longer ban.

I'd welcome him and his experience and winning mentality !

 
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Monkey1 (IP Logged)
28 February, 2012 19:22
I think he will get critical comments wherever he goes, I suppose it is something he has to live with. Despite a few who will not let the past go, I think the majority would welcome him to KP.

I think he was punished harshly for his part in what went on, he has acted since with good grace, as far as I am concerned he would be arriving at Kingston Park with a clean slate & a warm welcome.

 
Re: Deano?
ninjaboy (IP Logged)
29 February, 2012 20:26
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Taking all of the above into account I would reckon that Deans punishment was if anything on the severe side of things, he has been punished, we move on from there. It is now in the past, history, over with.
Anybody who fails to understand that simple principle is either a bigot or a vigilante & I dislike both.
Prossional cricketers currently in jail for offences of cheating. Makes his "punishment" sound less severe in those circumstances.

 
Re: Deano?
Rich W (IP Logged)
29 February, 2012 20:48
They committed a criminal offence. There's the difference.



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Re: Deano?
lizard118 (IP Logged)
01 March, 2012 00:12
The arguments against DR taking over are really not persuading me much as I would also try to understand the point of view of those against his appointment, if indeed we want him to come.
How does the cricketers who bet for money, dealing with criminals and the underworld compare to what happened with DR? There is no comparison whatsoever and those cricketers are rightly where they should be.

This thread is going nowhere and these very rigid ideas that someone should be punished for all eternity just because they cheated in a game of rugby, have no place in modern society.I have not been persuaded in a substantive way by the arguments against.

 
Re: Deano?
Getitright (IP Logged)
01 March, 2012 09:03
Luckily the thoughts of those on this subject will have no bearing on whether DR comes to KP or not.

At the moment though I'd say it's a better than even chance!

No knowledge, just MO.

 
Re: Deano?
Cantabrian (IP Logged)
01 March, 2012 09:41
GIR, the sources that inform your betting instincts must be persuasive.

 
Re: Deano?
01 March, 2012 09:46
If he comes and then goes about sullying the good name of the falcons with Heineken cup rugby and championship playoffs I will be gutted...

 
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Almostan Oldgit (IP Logged)
01 March, 2012 09:54
I would be happy to see DR here if GG does not want to stay (could possibly even persuade myself that it would be good even if GG wants to stay), though I do have reservations about the amount of time he has spent out of the game and how much it has changed in the intervening years. But I cannot agree that his punishment was too severe Monkey. I think a strong punishment was needed to make a statement that the game will not tolerate blatant cheating - it was far more serious imho than "bending the rules", "using experience", "operating on the edge of the law" or any amount of other euphemisms for cheating of the nature that goes on week after week at all levels of the game. He organised artificial blood to be brought onto the pitch and instructed a player to fein injury by using the blood so that he could bring a specialist onto the pitch. Such pre-meditated cheating is not tolerable and could lead to further more widespread detioration of the game. Further such offences, by any perpetrator, should be even more severly punished until such practices are stopped. I would estimate that the practice of resting props has greatly reduced since Bloodgate, certainly at KP, which to me says that the message got through. The debate about the fairness of DR being the only one caught is a different matter all together, clearly there was a lot more pre-meditated cheating going on. But a statement was made and seems to have had an effect, DR has served his time with good grace, and I believe now he should have the right to resume his job.

 
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Leipziger (IP Logged)
01 March, 2012 10:02
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If he comes and then goes about sullying the good name of the falcons with Heineken cup rugby and championship playoffs I will be gutted...

(Sm22) Whatever would we do without our annual relegation battle?



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Monkey1 (IP Logged)
01 March, 2012 10:12
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The arguments against DR taking over are really not persuading me much.....

Actually Lizard, if you read the thread from top to bottom there are no arguments against. Lukelisa is the only one not in favour if you ignore the umpteen pointless contributions from Ninja who doesn't even appear to be a Falcons supporter. Everybody else very much in favour so it looks like DR would be welcomed to Kingston Park if Gold is moving on in the summer.

 
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DB23 (IP Logged)
01 March, 2012 11:46
I would welcome DR to KP. I thought his punishment was severe; to deprive someone of their livelihood for three years is punitive. The Bloodgate episode was almost comical but I do understand it in the context of the seriousness regarding fair play in a rugby match.

Cheating in rugby matches is certainly not at an end and players, with coaches’ acquiescence or instruction, continue to push the boundaries.

Rich W quite rightly pointed out it was not a criminal offence. His time is served, has kept a dignified silence in accepting his punishment, and it’s time to move on. He will find employment with us or another club and I’m sure he will do a good job.

I do also hope GG is being considered, if he is making himself available, as I am very impressed with his management so far.

 
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ninjaboy (IP Logged)
01 March, 2012 12:56
Don't get personal Monkey. It is rude. I've bought a lot of tickets and watched the falcons a lot of times not to be a "supporter". Feel free to ignore my contributions if you don't like them. It is difficult to ignore your comments, but well worth the effort.

 
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Quinten Poulsen (IP Logged)
01 March, 2012 15:01
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Don't get personal Monkey. It is rude. I've bought a lot of tickets and watched the falcons a lot of times not to be a "supporter". Feel free to ignore my contributions if you don't like them. It is difficult to ignore your comments, but well worth the effort.

It's difficult to ignore your comments also - some of them are so facile.

 
Re: Deano?
Leipziger (IP Logged)
03 March, 2012 21:26
Daily Mail reckons Richards will be joining us. Not that I'd consider a tabloid to be the bastion of truth on club rugby.



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Re: Deano?
Running Rugby (IP Logged)
03 March, 2012 22:16
With Dean Richards ban ending in August, and the rumours of an appointment around that time, then it doesn't leave a great deal of room for contract renewals and new signings, but I guess that if it happened, then Deano would be working on all of these things backstage so to speak and out of the limelight with Semore Kurdi.

Going to be interesting times whatever happens.

 
Re: Deano?
Kwa444 (IP Logged)
05 March, 2012 12:53
The Leicester Mercury had Deano joining us a couple of days ago too. Usually pretty reliable once they print something on rugby.

 
Re: Deano?
London_Falcon (IP Logged)
06 March, 2012 07:55
Deano will be joining us. His appointment is not dependent on us avoiding the drop either.

 
Re: Deano?
Monkey1 (IP Logged)
06 March, 2012 09:37
I assume you have a good sauce LF.
(Sm3)

 
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Re: Deano?
Bedfordshire Boy (IP Logged)
13 March, 2012 22:44
[quote citizen-slacker]Effective erehabilitation is getting the offender to realise their resposibilities & have them face the consequences of their actions.

Locking somebody in a glorified cage for 23 hours a day is punative but ineffective at preventing further offending.

Likewise, the death penalty does not lower the murder rate in any country that it is imposed.

Just banning Deano may have been enough to satisfy the blood thirsty (pun intended) but if (big if) ???? Who else was it then? it was his decision to use fake replacements then he could/should have been put in to a more wothy or worthwhile position, coaching, mentoring, educating on his own time as part of the reparation. Same that soem players have been forced to work with younger players, train to be referees or undertake promtional work as part of their bans.

[quote citizen-slacker]I wonder how many people will condemn the Murdochs, News of the Screws & the Sun, but keep their Sky boxes?

I believe in punishment & rehabilitation. It forms the central basis of my job, so if the rehabilitation has not worked then it can be the fault of the sentencing body.

I also believe in spent convictions not being held over people for former misdemeanours. If he reoffends, that is his choice (or was he pushed to do so at 'Quins? So it wasn`t Deano at all but some mysterious person at Quins!!) & then the knives can come back out.



I'd like to think of him as still having some integrity - when Quins were relegated Richards told all his players to buy their opposite number a drink after the game, to show that there was still tradition worth keeping in rugby & also that as a team they were not above their Championship rivals.[/quote]

 
Re: Deano?
Getitright (IP Logged)
14 March, 2012 07:37
BB,

Don't worry! When we announce his arrival you can be sure that he will start his rehabilitation in the North East. We'll look after him!

 
Re: Deano?
Monkey1 (IP Logged)
14 March, 2012 08:09
Indeed GiR, I will more than happily buy him a pint & make him welcome here.
(Sm128)

 
Re: Deano?
citizen-slacker (IP Logged)
14 March, 2012 11:43
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Who else was it then?

I doubt we'll find that out until Deano's posthumous autobiography. If ever.

 
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ra (IP Logged)
14 March, 2012 11:47
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Bedfordshire Boy (IP Logged)
14 March, 2012 12:32
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Who else was it then?

I doubt we'll find that out until Deano's posthumous autobiography. If ever.

So in fact your statements are pure conjecture.

I am a great Deano fan - he made a mistake and has paid the price. At the time everybody got on their high horse and a public hanging was too good for him. Now all of a sudden he is on his way to Falcons and it appears perhaps that he had nothing to do with Bloodgate at all but it was the Club (Quins). At least accept the past for what it is and move on as us lot down south have had to do.
As I said earlier, good luck to the man and the club.


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