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What this means....
telfs123 (IP Logged)
21 April, 2012 16:09
Wasps bp (thanks to new villain sam vesty) means that on may 5th we need to either:

1) score 4 tries and not allow wasps to get a bonus
2) beat wasps by 25 points regardless of tries

we haven't got a 4 try bp since away at bath back in 2009 in the bates era. about time we got one.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 21/04/2012 16:09 by telfs123.

 
Re: What this means....
MrC (IP Logged)
21 April, 2012 16:34
Totally agree telfs and I believe it's possible, hope the lads do too, but we'll have to change the game plan a bit from the last few weeks I think to do it.

 
Re: What this means....
Kwa444 (IP Logged)
21 April, 2012 17:03
At the end of the day Wasps are a side we can score 4 tries against, though they are also a side who will score against us, so we will still need to keep ahead of them by 8.

At least it is not Sarries or Leicester we have to get 4 against.

Leeds nearly did it last season at Northampton to our detriment. There is no reason why we can't go one better this year.

 
Re: What this means....
jonnya27 (IP Logged)
21 April, 2012 17:07
i really think we can do it too. if we play the way we did in the 2nd half last night then we have a very good chance.
If we beat wasps and they dont get a losing BP so the scores would be 32 each. would we still go down? and how?

 
Re: What this means....
RossM (IP Logged)
21 April, 2012 17:21
Points Difference.

Currently:-
Wasps: -135
Falcons: -182


If teams are level at any stage, they are ranked in order by:
1. number of wins
2. difference between points for and against
3. most tries scored
4. most points scored
5. difference between tries for and against

 
Re: What this means....
Hideo (IP Logged)
21 April, 2012 17:23
Yes we would still go down. When level on points it is the number of wins that decides. That would be level too with 6 wins each (as it would have to be if we got level on pts with them). Then it is points difference that decides it. They are currently well ahed of us on that, which is where the 25-odd point win scenario comes in.

So if level on points, unless we win by a shedload we will finish last and go down.

 
Re: What this means....
Monkey1 (IP Logged)
21 April, 2012 17:58
Score 4 tries against a side that has to do nothing more than stop us scoring tries?

You are 'avin a giraffe mate!

Give Wasps some credit, the posts above are downright insulting to Wasps & unless something drastic happens with the tactics they are in cloud cuckoo land.

 
Re: What this means....
telfs123 (IP Logged)
21 April, 2012 18:26
9 gopperth penalties to 0 from wasps would do it......

Lets face it, we need a miracle.

 
Re: What this means....
mannin (IP Logged)
21 April, 2012 18:33
I think we can do it but we certainly wont score 4 tries with our current game-plan.

Obviously it's the teams own fault for a season of underachievement, but that wont contain my new hatred of Sam Vesty.

 
Re: What this means....
geordie205gti (IP Logged)
21 April, 2012 18:39
Giving Wasps no credit has been rife for weeks I'm afraid, and they were always going to pick up points along the way.
I just hope we play the final game like we have nothing to lose, and you just never know..... It's sport and it's littered with shocks throughout the ages!

 
Re: What this means....
Northumbrian (IP Logged)
21 April, 2012 18:45
I was thinking if Wasps had got nothing today, one of the ways the Falcons could have stayed up would be to score 4 tries meaning a win of any kind would have done eg 24-20 etc.

So now we know - it must be 4 tries. Meaning go all out to cross the line instead of taking penalty kicks.

 
Re: What this means....
Northumbrian (IP Logged)
21 April, 2012 18:47
Quote:
Monkey1
Score 4 tries against a side that has to do nothing more than stop us scoring tries?
You are 'avin a giraffe mate!
Would that entail persistent foul play, I wonder?

 
Re: What this means....
Bren (IP Logged)
21 April, 2012 18:51
Well if Leeds can go 24-3 up against Northampton then its not impossible, if unlikely, given our try scoring record. Both teams will be going hammer and tongs at each other, perhaps more so us. One thing I know for sure we will be keeping the ball in hand a lot more against Wasps.

 
Re: What this means....
Northumbrian (IP Logged)
21 April, 2012 18:56
But as Monkey1 had said, they know not to concede 4 tries and will use the tactics accordingly.

 
Re: What this means....
Running Rugby (IP Logged)
21 April, 2012 19:08
After today's game which ended in wasps getting a bonus point and us not getting the win last night, then I am conceding that the Falcons are done for this season and a season in the championship beacons.

We should instead be looking to the championship play offs as a way to keep us up, ala if any other side apart from Bristol win, then we stay up, shambles as much as that is, it would keep us up.

Does anyone know if any of the other sides, London Welsh, Pirates and Bedford have applied to come up?

If only Gold and co, had been installed a few weeks earlier...............

 
Re: What this means....
markismith50 (IP Logged)
21 April, 2012 19:11
For those saying we definitely need a 4-try bonus point - we don't.

We can still stay up on points difference if we get 4 match points for the win and Wasps get no bonus points. To do this we need to win by 24 or more.

Beat Wasps 24-0 with 8 penalties or drop-goals and we're safe.

 
Re: What this means....
Surf or Fight! (IP Logged)
21 April, 2012 19:11
I think our tactics need to have an element of surprise; will it be a kicking game? Over to you GG. I'm not sure I could watch.

 
Re: What this means....
MrC (IP Logged)
21 April, 2012 19:15
As far as I understand it Pirates and Bedford have not applied and wouldn't qualify/accept promotion if they won.

London welsh have submitted a late application which I think is on quite shaky ground and I suspect that if it's not 100% that Falcons would challenge their application if thy won.

Bristol on the other hand would definitely qualify and their promotion would be unopposed by Falcons.

So a Pirates v Bedford final would do it for me!

 
Re: What this means....
markismith50 (IP Logged)
21 April, 2012 19:17
Championship promotion explained [www.journallive.co.uk]

 
Re: What this means....
mannin (IP Logged)
21 April, 2012 19:26
Teams always go out to stop their opposition scoring tries. It very rarely works that way though.

 
Re: What this means....
Northumbrian (IP Logged)
21 April, 2012 19:27
True, 4 tries are not necessarily required, but unfortunately the big win is just as unlikely.

 
Re: What this means....
Northumbrian (IP Logged)
21 April, 2012 19:29
Quote:
mannin
Teams always go out to stop their opposition scoring tries. It very rarely works that way though.
Not in the context of winning games, but when several penalties conceded won't matter....

 
Re: What this means....
Leipziger (IP Logged)
21 April, 2012 19:34
It's unlikely perhaps, but possible. I'll go to High Wycombe in hope.



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Re: What this means....
Happy Hooker (IP Logged)
21 April, 2012 20:23
Yes, it's a tall order down us at Adams Park but not impossible. As Smithy says we don't need a a bonus point win to stay up. 24-0 would be good enough even if it's eight penalties from Jimmy's boot!

Still feel there could be a twist in the tail, either Wasps going into administration, Bristol screwing up or the RFU suddenly agreeing to expand the AP to 14 clubs!

Here's hoping!

 
Re: What this means....
tulls (IP Logged)
21 April, 2012 20:53

 
Re: What this means....
Horus (IP Logged)
21 April, 2012 21:22
I can't see L Welsh meeting the criteria for promotion. Their home ground, the Old Deer Park, is no more fit for the Premiership than Darlington Mowden Park. Welsh have named two other venues for home fixtures, The Stoop & a nearish soccer stadium.Can't see eiher as primacy oftenure grounds.So its only Bris who are eligible of the likely semifinalists.

 
Re: What this means....
james46 (IP Logged)
21 April, 2012 22:46
Newcastle need to win by 25 clear points, 24 would tie and Wasps have scored more points.

Fairly unlikely, but indeed possible.

 
Re: What this means....
Dirty Sanchez (IP Logged)
22 April, 2012 02:59
I think we'll do it but I should probably clarify that Im fairly intoxicated as I type. Pointless heading down there with anything other than optimism though, getting it to the last day of the season is an achievement in itself from where we were - no reason we can't complete the job.

Howay the Falcons!

 
Re: What this means....
Gray_Lensman (IP Logged)
22 April, 2012 08:05
primacy of tenure is not a factor

 
Re: What this means....
Happy Hooker (IP Logged)
22 April, 2012 08:33
Quote:
james46
Newcastle need to win by 25 clear points, 24 would tie and Wasps have scored more points.
Fairly unlikely, but indeed possible.

Suggest you check your maths: Falcons win 24-0, therefore...

Falcons points total: -182 +24 = -158 pts
Wasps points total: -135 -24 = -159 pts

 
Re: What this means....
Kwa444 (IP Logged)
22 April, 2012 08:47
To be honest I suspect that 4 tries and being clear by 8 - as in Leicester 43 Quins 33 is more likely than us keeping Wasps 24 points adrift of us.

That said neither is likely but I will hope we can do it on the pitch and only if that fails will I be looking at the other circumstances, which I still think make our relegation 50/50.

One off knockout games are strange fodder and Leeds showed last season that it is possible to chase a strange result. I would not have expected them to get for tries or a losing bonus at Saints last season, but they came within millimetres of both.

 
Re: What this means....
m91falcon (IP Logged)
22 April, 2012 09:59
unfortunately we are going down,Wasps will beat us it will be close but they will beat us,we deserve to go as we have been the worst side in the PL for a couple of years now. lets take it on the chin,regroup and let Dean Richards do his magic

 
Re: What this means....
Thespence_uk (IP Logged)
22 April, 2012 10:09
IF we go all out & attack I reckon there will be enough space for the counter attack which Wade & Varndell will exploit at some point.

 
Re: What this means....
Happy Hooker (IP Logged)
22 April, 2012 10:53
Quote:
m91falcon
unfortunately we are going down,Wasps will beat us it will be close but they will beat us,we deserve to go as we have been the worst side in the PL for a couple of years now. lets take it on the chin,regroup and let Dean Richards do his magic

Don't buy all this defeatist " we are going down" and "take it on the chin" nonsense.

The championship play-offs are a total lottery. Hit a bad run of form and lose four or five key players at the end of the season and even the best side can come unstuck. It happened to Bristoltwo years ago.It can happen again.

Too many people on this site seem to be assuming that with Dean Richards in charge promotion is a done deal. It ain't.

 
Re: What this means....
Malvern Man (IP Logged)
22 April, 2012 11:11
As a relieved Worcester supporter born in the North-East, may I ask a question? Suppose on 5th May you beat Wasps by eight or more, without scoring four tries or running up a cricket score. This is a very possible outcome.

Wasps and Newcastle will then be equal on points scored, 32, and in wins, six each. However, you have had two draws and Wasps have had none, so in terms of results, you've done better.

Before going to points difference, should not those two draws be counted? If this was football, you'd be home and dry.

Is someone in Falcons' management investigating this with the Premiership?

 
Re: What this means....
Leipziger (IP Logged)
22 April, 2012 11:31
Thse are the rules though Malvern and we all knew them in September. One could also make a case for Wasps staying up with more bonus points since they reward better attacking and defending.



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Crashing out.

 
Re: What this means....
Horus (IP Logged)
22 April, 2012 11:57
On criteria for promotion from the championship, the MD of London Welsh wries:

"The final winners are then promoted if, and it is a fairly big 'if' in our case, we fulfil the minimum criteria for playing in the Premiership.

Old Deer Park, our home since 1957, regularly if uncomfortably accommodated 5000 plus crowds back in the 70s when London Welsh were one of the top five clubs in England but now it is, rightly, considered woefully inadequate.

To make matters worse we share the ground with Richmond Cricket Club and handed over tenure last weekend so we may not even be able to play our home leg of the semi-final at home. Negotiations are underway.

If we progress we certainly cannot play our home leg of the final there because television schedules decree it must be played under lights we do not have. Alternatives are being explored.

We therefore need a new home if we win the Championship. In the long term there are two options for completely new stadiums but whilst they are being developed we have no option but to ground-share as do London Irish, Wasps, Saracens and Sale in the Premiership. But it is not that simple - they have longstanding exemptions from the primacy of tenure regulations - we have to convince the RFU and Premiership Rugby that it is in their best interests to allow us to join them.

Bristol and Leeds (who are not in contention) are currently the only sides in the Championship who satisfy the criteria. Even if we were to overcome all the obstacles the odds are still stacked against a newly promoted club." ie., money

 
Re: What this means....
Monkey1 (IP Logged)
22 April, 2012 12:23
In that situation London Welsh would be mad to accept promotion but it is their duty to try to win the Championship. Maybe they are testing the waters for a future attempt.

 
Re: What this means....
limpopo (IP Logged)
22 April, 2012 12:28
Totally agree with you HH promotion from the championship is not a foregone conclusion by any means.

 
Re: What this means....
Kwa444 (IP Logged)
22 April, 2012 13:46
Guess Welsh want the auditors to come and tell them exactly what they need to do to their faces, and have a decent chance to ask questions around the issue.

Such an opportunity they might find difficult to get without saying they are interested in promotion.

 
Re: What this means....
Northumbrian (IP Logged)
22 April, 2012 14:36
Quote:
Thespence_uk
IF we go all out & attack I reckon there will be enough space for the counter attack which Wade & Varndell will exploit at some point.

What's the alternative? Four tries isn't going to come by not attacking, and a 24 point win target is easier to reach by scoring tries.

Least it should be more entertaining than the Saracens game. [:wor kid:]

 
Re: What this means....
Monkey1 (IP Logged)
22 April, 2012 14:36
Quote:
Kwa444
Guess Welsh want the auditors to come and tell them exactly what they need to do to their faces....

Crikey Kwa, what is wrong with their faces?
(Sm100)

 
Re: What this means....
Horus (IP Logged)
22 April, 2012 15:03
Too late Monkey1. The independent auditors reports were filed on March 31. They now have to be considered by the Professional Game Board and RFU.
Primacy of tenure at a ground with a minimum capacity of 10, 000, is the main hurdle still. But netties in the ground also count. The netty criterion is 1 urinal per 70 blokes. Trough urinals, like those in the West Stand , must be 60mm.width per bloke. Female netty facilities are apparently not a criterion- which tells you a lot abouteither rugby culture or RFU blazwers.

I think L. Welsh will fail both the ground and netty provision criteria.
Strange if lack of netties keep us from relegation !

 
Re: What this means....
m91falcon (IP Logged)
22 April, 2012 15:28
HH I never said we would be promoted all I said let Dean Richard weave his magic and if that takes us back up great!
Even the most diehard falcons fan deep down knows we have being on borrowed time for a few years now

 
Re: What this means....
Bede (IP Logged)
22 April, 2012 16:01
At least we are still in with a chance going in to the last game. Not many thought that possible a few months ago.

 
Re: What this means....
Monkey1 (IP Logged)
22 April, 2012 17:49
Quote:
Horus
Strange if lack of netties keep us from relegation !
(Sm22)

 
Re: What this means....
steve1888 (IP Logged)
22 April, 2012 22:15
I'd like to see some changes for the big game with Shiells and Wilson brought back in (possibly M Mayhew too) and Corne Uys switched to centre where I think he could create for us and find a few gaps - Bath were finding plenty.

It's going to be a big ask but stranger things have happened and we will be cheered on 100s of noisy Falcons travllers!

What ever happens they wont give up till 80mins are up on 5 May.

 
Re: What this means....
Thespence_uk (IP Logged)
22 April, 2012 22:38
Steve what would be your starting XV?

 
Re: What this means....
steve1888 (IP Logged)
23 April, 2012 06:26
Shiells
Mayhew
Murray
Hudson
Vdh
Swinson
Welch
Wilson
Stringer
Gopperth
Shortland
Helluer
Uys
Catterick (unless Tait or Fielden fit)
Goosen

Bench

Golding
Thompson
Hall
Tuifua
Hogg
Pasqualian
Hodgson
Fitzy

 
Re: What this means....
Carlislelad (IP Logged)
23 April, 2012 11:11
Whilst Falcons may have been poor for a couple of years, I believe the new team of Semore and GG/Deano deserve PL more than Wasp's rudderless ship. Had a great chat with Semore on Sunday where he was devoting his time to youth rugby, and his vision and passion for the Falcons does not deserve relegation - if only this could be translated into points.

As an aside, having just seen Vesty's premature celebration - if GG goes to Bath, I wouldn't like to be Vesty.

 
Re: What this means....
lizard118 (IP Logged)
23 April, 2012 12:05
We have nothing to lose now and I believe that is the mentality we should go to Wasps with. That makes us a dangerous animal and with our good defence I believe it's possible to put 24 points on Wasps. It's no use being negative now since our fate is nearly sealed as far as most are concerned. If we can change our game plan and hold on to the ball I believe we can do it.

In my opinion the pressure is now most definitely on Wasps given they have to stop us from scoring the required points. Leeds almost did it at Northampton last season and dont see why we cannot score 4 tries if we have a different game plan.We have done well to put ourselves in this position considering we've not had any specialist wingers for the majority of the season.

We just need to start the game with OTT physicality and unsettle the the wasps and score some early tries. Pressure can make people do strange things and I for one have not given up hope we can still do. If we do it will be the most amazing come-back in the history of professional rugby. I will be there, come and back your boys and dont give up yet until it's mathematically impossible.

 
Re: What this means....
Kwa444 (IP Logged)
23 April, 2012 12:29
Don't think Vesty is worried by that. I think his contract is up at Bath and he wants to play more rugby, so he may well be considering the Championship.

Ironically the fan who suggested he should be cleaning Falcon's boots in the Championship may not be far from the truth! He is a very versatile and able player with good defensive and attacking skills when played at 12. He only left Tigers because Cockerill recognised that his distance from hand with the boot was not good enough for a side looking to win the HEC - it was one of the main reasons they lost to Leinster in the 09 final because of Flood's injury.

DR is fully aware of Vesty's ability and availability. He may well get the chance to pay us back.

 
Re: What this means....
BurnleySharks (IP Logged)
23 April, 2012 13:38
I fear Vesty's bloomer may have made Falcon's job too difficult.
Quite fancy you to win,but five points and a greater than eight points margin,just seems to much.
Good luck hope you can do it.Will keep everything crossed



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Re: What this means....
timrrmurphy (IP Logged)
23 April, 2012 13:46
Hey the boys have nothing to lose. If they keep it in hand, unlike the first half on Friday then we could create some gaps. Just need to wait to see what happens when the fat lady sings....

Good luck to them - go out and enjoy the game...

 
Re: What this means....
thegeordiehaka2 (IP Logged)
23 April, 2012 14:00
To be honest Bath could have scored 6 tries if they could have actually finished and placed the ball down. (it seemed they where scared to dive on the ground, carry the ball in the right hand so they could hand off the tackler or control there excitement)
I think we can do it. If Bath had of played some actual rugby in the first half they could have had a chance of the finishing 6 and denying them a losers bonus. Therefore so can us!

 
Re: What this means....
Horus (IP Logged)
23 April, 2012 17:03
Steve re your starting XV at Adams Park. Alex Tait told me on 13th April, at a Falcons training camp for kids, that he was out for the rest of the season.His injuries were to his leg and, more recently, to his cheekbone. Hope Luke Fielden gets fit for this match as were are seriously short of gas on the wings.

 
Re: What this means....
digitalsys (IP Logged)
23 April, 2012 17:10
We need a fast paced game against Wasps at AP, and we have the man in Stringer to deliver that. The last 10 mins of the game at KP last weekend showed how he changes the whole dynamic of mulitple phases.

If we combine plan A and plan B and remain flexible with it, with Stringer or Gopperth controller how we switch between options on a fluid basis, we might do some real damage to Wasps (who are not in a warm and snuggly place right now across the board), and there is no reason for history not to be made down there.

 
Re: What this means....
timlongs (IP Logged)
23 April, 2012 17:39
With jimmy with have a naturally running 10, with jamie in the centre someone who can break lines and always looks for the offload. If we have Shortland running some nice angles too we could be very attacking in the backs, all thanks to Stringers quick ball too.

With the forwards as long as our line out is good I'm sure we can bully them around in the scrum and the lineout.

The boys have a long time to practise some good attacking, we know our defence is good and no doubt all emphasis will be about attacking and scoring those crucial trys. I believe.

 
Re: What this means....
telfs123 (IP Logged)
23 April, 2012 19:27
Taity got smashed in the cheekbone by Helleurs head during the worcester game, out for the season.

 
Re: What this means....
thegeordiehaka2 (IP Logged)
23 April, 2012 21:15
If we have an easy 3 point oppotunity
should we go for the corner for the four tries?
or
Should we go for the easy points to go at the goal difference?

 
Re: What this means....
Silvergiraffes (IP Logged)
23 April, 2012 21:33
Timlongs - "With jimmy with have a naturally running 10, with jamie in the centre someone who can break lines and always looks for the offload. If we have Shortland running some nice angles too we could be very attacking in the backs, all thanks to Stringers quick ball too."

So why have we spent most of the last few games kicking the ball away??

 
Re: What this means....
Daveyb (IP Logged)
23 April, 2012 22:09
Quote:
Silvergiraffes
Timlongs - "With jimmy with have a naturally running 10, with jamie in the centre someone who can break lines and always looks for the offload. If we have Shortland running some nice angles too we could be very attacking in the backs, all thanks to Stringers quick ball too."
So why have we spent most of the last few games kicking the ball away??

Because he has been told to of course!

 
Re: What this means....
timlongs (IP Logged)
23 April, 2012 22:35
Quote:
Daveyb
Quote:
Silvergiraffes
Timlongs - "With jimmy with have a naturally running 10, with jamie in the centre someone who can break lines and always looks for the offload. If we have Shortland running some nice angles too we could be very attacking in the backs, all thanks to Stringers quick ball too."
So why have we spent most of the last few games kicking the ball away??

Because he has been told to of course!

Exactly, its the game plan, Gold himself says relegation creates ugly rugby but the way we've been playing its got results.

 
Re: What this means....
Xanderman (IP Logged)
23 April, 2012 23:41
Quote:
thegeordiehaka2
If we have an easy 3 point oppotunity
should we go for the corner for the four tries?
or
Should we go for the easy points to go at the goal difference?
I think definitely the only option is the four try bonus. We cannot say for definite that we won't give away penalties. It'll just be an arduous battle losing morale everytime they make some points back. Like an opponent winning a set in tennis, it is hugely demoralising when such effort has gone in to have your efforts show for nothing. I think all Gopperth can do is kick for the corner and hope Hudson/vickers does his job.

 
Re: What this means....
Leipziger (IP Logged)
24 April, 2012 04:36
It's a conundrum but I think we have to go all out for four tries. The defence is good but we are prone to giving away kickable penalties.



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Crashing out.

 
Re: What this means....
steve1888 (IP Logged)
24 April, 2012 07:04
Wasps lineout also struggled agaisnt Bath so if ours is anything like it was at Gloucester I it will give us a good chance.

 
Re: What this means....
Kilroy (IP Logged)
24 April, 2012 07:43
The answer is simple and to use the Geordie vernacular; " It's sh*% or bust!"

"The harder the conflict, the more glorious the triumph"

 
Re: What this means....
Kwa444 (IP Logged)
24 April, 2012 07:45
Though if it is like against Sarries in the first half it will punish us!

I think we should look to take the first points at goal and punish Wasps that way. We need to keep doubt in their minds as to whether we are looking for points or tries. Get 8 clear but play the opportunities. Ostensibly we have to attack but we still have to play a sensible game.

By the end of the game if we are short of tries Wasps will be killing off the ball like it is going out of fashion. If we are in a position where the 24 points is possible by a few kicks, that will act as its own restriction.

 
Re: What this means....
Monkey1 (IP Logged)
24 April, 2012 08:17
Any player who kicks the ball away while in the Wasps half of the pitch should be made to walk home on their knees, licking the road as they go.

That should stop the @#$%& from doing it.

 
Re: What this means....
Leipziger (IP Logged)
24 April, 2012 08:18
I reckon a team should lose a point during the game for each kick from hand outside of their own 22. Although probably both us and Saracens would have finished last week's game on minus if that were the case.



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Re: What this means....
Kilroy (IP Logged)
24 April, 2012 10:39
" He that is over cautious will accomplish little"

The risk averse nature of the rugby played in getting us to this position has served us well thus far given the dire predicament we were in prior to the appointments of Gold, Wells and Ford.

Arguments can be made that a less cautious approach could have been adopted earlier and we may have been in a far healthier position than that presently. Conversely a more cavalier approach may have seen us already relegated.
Put simply, we'll get nowt if we adopt the same risk averse policy going into the final game.

The greatest regrets are the risks we didn't take - let us have no regrets.

 
Re: What this means....
Daveyb (IP Logged)
24 April, 2012 10:54
At this point in time, we are down and relegated. This means that we have absolutely nothing to lose on the day, as we are already down. If that is not the catalyst for coming up with a game plan that is capable of securing us the points we need in whatever combination Mr Gold would like, then i do not know what is!
The game plan recently might not have been attractive but who gives a stuff about that.

 
Re: What this means....
Leipziger (IP Logged)
24 April, 2012 10:56
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Re: What this means....
Almostan Oldgit (IP Logged)
24 April, 2012 14:21
I don't see why our strategy should be any different to what it is (or at least should be) in any other game. We should build a lead, taking whatever points become available then, when we are suitably ahead,we can widen and vary the attack to either rack up the points difference or score the requisite 4 tries - or both.
There will be no point in getting 4 tries if we don't win. Taking "easy" 3 pointers though is a no brainer for me, keep the board ticking over, keep rewarding our territory, keep punishing their mistakes and misdemeanours and keep putting pressure on them.
If our lineout is functioning well then put the longer pens into the corners by all means, but otherwise take the points.

I agree however that we should generally keep the ball in hand; we have struggled most of the season with aimless kicks from hand, and their wingers are lethal if you give them cheap ball. Their centres and back rows on the other hand are 2nd and 3rd choice in the main (due to injury and retirement) so we should be able to make ground and retain ball with direct running if we have any real claim to being a Premiership side.

 
Re: What this means....
Kwa444 (IP Logged)
24 April, 2012 16:57
I think we have all come to the conclusion that we should play heads up rugby with an eye on the scoreboard.

Wasps seemed to be saying yesterday that they want to play the game ASAP - or at least Dai Young did.

I just have a sneaking feeling that it is getting into their heads more than ours. That may well partly be because we have been in the same position for most of the season so are firstly used to it and actually may be enjoying the nothing ventured nothing gained situation.

 
Re: What this means....
davidmc (IP Logged)
24 April, 2012 17:08
The way I see it is - we have nothing to lose, they have everything. They are in the same position we were last year when Leeds played Saints & very nearly caused a huge upset.

On balance, I would prefer to be in our position than theirs (though much rather we were both somewhat higher up the table!).

 
Re: What this means....
Northumbrian (IP Logged)
24 April, 2012 18:18
In the first half take any kickable penalties and aim to score 2 tries.

Then in the second half go for 2 more tries or the big win - whatever is more likely.

 
Re: What this means....
wwns (IP Logged)
24 April, 2012 18:27
As Richie Benaud might say, were he to have an interest in our plight, it truly is "Sydney of the Bush". Tries don't merely come from "keeping the ball in hand" as evidenced by some of Tait's woeful tactics. If we perform as well as we did against Sarries, then we have a chance. Get down their end, apply the pressure, get the ball, cross the line. A simple game, really, and I think Mr Gold knows this.

 
Re: What this means....
digitalsys (IP Logged)
24 April, 2012 19:05
Pure speculation - and purely my own personal opinions ....

but I am not totally convinced that Wasps have sufficient cash in the bank to last out May. We'll know at the end of this month whether or not they can pay their wages bills etc, but i suspect that the official line might have been embellished to keep creditors at bay, to enable them to play the final game, generate extra funds etc.

When you are selling any business, you don't advertise the fact that you are a month away from administration, it just lowers the selling price of your asset (what you have left of it), but if you are facing immediate winding up, it might buy you an extra month, with such an official statement.

I can't see any reason for what they have said in public, apart from putting off the inevitable. Yes a buyer will probably waiting to see if they secure Premiership status before committing, but I suspect that things are much worse than is being admitted via official press releases.

That said, I think that we can go down there and do a good number on them. If players don't get paid at the end of the month, it will put a huge amount of pressure on them, and be a huge distraction for the last game. Might be right, or wrong, but things will start to unfold over the next week I am sure - and offical press releases will be inevitable for the board down there - before HMRC come knocking .....

Again .. just my 10c

 
Re: What this means....
citizen-slacker (IP Logged)
24 April, 2012 19:17
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Digitalsys
you don't advertise the fact that you are a month away from administration, it just lowers the selling price of your asset (what you have left of it), but if you are facing immediate winding up, it might buy you an extra month, with such an official statement.

Bizarrely (or cynically/conspiritorily) the only official thing I've seen was from the RFU who said that there was nothing in the rules preventing them helping any club in financial difficulty to stop them being wound up.

Other than jungle drums, what evidence is there that Wasps are that far under? The owner wants out for some reasons but is it nailed on that Wasps are floundering financially?

 
Re: What this means....
thegeordiehaka2 (IP Logged)
24 April, 2012 19:25
so we can score about 3 more points than wasps every 10 minutes or we can score a try every 20.
(Sm60) come on the lads! (Sm60)


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