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OT: France vs Wales
Kwa444 (IP Logged)
20 March, 2017 22:03
Just wondered if anyone else thought there may be significant similarities to the Quins situation that temporarily paused Dean's coaching career and what happened in Paris?

Clearly it will be looked into but I wonder if it will be as thorough as Bloodgate.....

 
Re: OT: France vs Wales
bulmer22 (IP Logged)
21 March, 2017 06:56
Why link something that happened in a club game in 2009 with France changing a prop, if that is what you are referring to.

 
Re: OT: France vs Wales
dick g (IP Logged)
21 March, 2017 07:34
Both cases involved removing a player for spurious reasons in order to send on a replacement to secure an advantage. Deano was correctly punished. The same should happen to the France DoR. But that would be consistent and how common is that in our game?

 
Re: OT: France vs Wales
captainhaircut (IP Logged)
21 March, 2017 08:01
It wouldn't be anywhere close to consistent. Richards and co went out and bought blood capsules knowing they would cheat if they needed to. The doctor took a knife to Williams mouth after the game to try to cover it up.

France were a lot more opportunistic and I'd imagine it will be a lot harder to prove they did anything wrong.

 
Re: OT: France vs Wales
Bedlington Lad (IP Logged)
21 March, 2017 08:33
It's certainly exposed a loophole in the laws - I think the ref has to take the doc's word for it so I'm not sure how you stop someone coming on and saying it's an HIA ?

 
Re: OT: France vs Wales
alas (IP Logged)
21 March, 2017 10:03
Lots of teams have rotated props. Rob Andrew did it plenty of times at the Falcons. The biting issue is much more serious.

 
Re: OT: France vs Wales
Kwa444 (IP Logged)
21 March, 2017 15:47
Ah yes lots of teams have rotated props, but the change has to be specifically noted - so you can send someone back on the way Phil Davies did with Namibia. However, if you have removed the prop for the reason France did then you can't without a head injury.

I fail to see the difference between faking a blood injury or a head injury (if that is the case). Both were allegedly done to substitute a preferred player back on. The only difference being that if France had to sub him for other than a head injury they would have been forced to uncontested scrums and forfeited an extra player going to 14 men. They would have been significantly disadvantaged.

I would suggest the differences are pedantic - clearly there was more intent with the blood sachets, however, less to gain...

Interestingly going forward (whether France intended it or not) it does show that the head injury has far more flexibility to be manipulated by coaches than the blood injury does. It is an unfortunate incident however you see it.


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