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Flood for Germany
dick g (IP Logged)
21 August, 2017 12:33
Fascinating interview with Tobias George Leiven Flood in Times today. Worth buying. Highlights include Noah''s interest in playing for Germany for whom he might qualify via his German grandparents who fled @#$%& Germany in 1936. He has applied for a German passport. Also talks of his dissatisfaction with the lack of professionalism at Toulouse and his reason for coming back to us. Not just sentiment. It will be £1 80 well spent. Just do it!

 
Re: Flood for Germany
Bedlington Lad (IP Logged)
21 August, 2017 13:02
Cue the Bladder sketch in the hospital "I'm as English as the Queen!"

 
Re: Flood for Germany
DB23 (IP Logged)
21 August, 2017 13:02
What a joke. I hope he discussed this before signing for us given the possibility of non-availability for our matches.

If the quotes on the BBC website are to be believed, Flood says 'I have always been proud of being German'. Seriously? After 60 caps for England?

If it was April 1st, it would be funny but it's August, just before the new Premiership season.

 
Re: Flood for Germany
dick g (IP Logged)
21 August, 2017 14:27
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dick g
Fascinating interview with Tobias George Leiven Flood in Times today. Worth buying. Highlights include Noah''s interest in playing for Germany for whom he might qualify via his German grandparents who fled @#$%& Germany in 1936. He has applied for a German passport. Also talks of his dissatisfaction with the lack of professionalism at Toulouse and his reason for coming back to us. Not just sentiment. It will be £1 80 well spent. Just do it!

Interesting that my mention of the short form of the Nationale Socialiste Deutches Arbiten Partie has been edited out by some unthinking algorithm

 
Re: Flood for Germany
pityacker (IP Logged)
21 August, 2017 15:16
Not great news for Falcons a possibility of missing games and the chance of getting broken playing in some meaningless games.

 
Re: Flood for Germany
pa8 (IP Logged)
21 August, 2017 15:42
'Players canít represent a national team if they have already represented another national team at senior level'.

That is taken from a rugby world article on eligibility rules. If that's still the case I can't see him playing for Germany and I'd assume he'd know that.

 
Re: Flood for Germany
Benpj17 (IP Logged)
21 August, 2017 16:41
Would seem he can switch as long as he plays an Olympic event


Under World Rugby's new regulations, a player who has represented one country but holds the nationality of another can qualify for that nation by playing at an Olympic event. The player must stand down from their first country for at least three years, a period Flood -- whose last England cap came against New Zealand in 2013 -- has fulfilled.
Once someone has represented their new country at an Olympic event they are tied to that Union in all forms of the game. Flood, who applied for a German passport after Brexit last year, could theoretically switch allegiance with an appearance for Germany in the Tokyo Games qualifiers in 2019

 
Re: Flood for Germany
AFalcon23 (IP Logged)
21 August, 2017 17:10
I was surprised when I saw this, not ideal for us if he does play for them. smiling smiley

 
Re: Flood for Germany
GeordieFalcon (IP Logged)
21 August, 2017 21:03
When do the euro nations game take place. Is it in line with the 6 nations?

Plus 2019 qualifying games? That's a while away. Willis and Connon will be bossing games by then!

Nothing to worry about

 
Re: Flood for Germany
dick g (IP Logged)
22 August, 2017 08:40
If Germany's games clash with Premiership will Deano allow Noah to play in them? Is there an agreement as there is with Six Nations? But as his career is approaching the end, should we object to him going out on a bit if a high? He should be able to steer us into Europe as well. Interesting to note that with a Jewish grandmother, Noah is by Judaic law a Jew as I am. So maybe he can qualify for Israel. Mazeletoff and shalom.

 
Re: Flood for Germany
Osric (IP Logged)
22 August, 2017 08:50
An interesting and thoughtful read. No real worries from our perspective for the reasons given above.

 
Re: Flood for Germany
dick g (IP Logged)
22 August, 2017 09:00
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GeordieFalcon
When do the euro nations game take place. Is it in line with the 6 nations?
Plus 2019 qualifying games? That's a while away. Willis and Connon will be bossing games by then!

Nothing to worry about

And Joel?

 
Re: Flood for Germany
alas (IP Logged)
22 August, 2017 09:10
If Flood was no longer EQP that would affect the Falcons more than missing games, mainly non-premiership, in the international window.

 
Re: Flood for Germany
GeordieFalcon (IP Logged)
22 August, 2017 15:21
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dick g
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GeordieFalcon
When do the euro nations game take place. Is it in line with the 6 nations?
Plus 2019 qualifying games? That's a while away. Willis and Connon will be bossing games by then!

Nothing to worry about

And Joel?

Im very sorry to say, but for me personally the jury is still well and truly out. And im not convinced that will change. Whilst i have seen Joel play some very good games since his return....I just feel Willis looks more solid and controlling, which should improve nicely with age.

That's just my worthless personal opinion of course.

 
Re: Flood for Germany
Bedlington Lad (IP Logged)
22 August, 2017 16:21
Whilst i have seen Joel play some very good games since his return....I just feel Willis looks more solid and controlling, which should improve nicely with age.

Willis reminds me of a young Toby Flood

 
Re: Flood for Germany
dick g (IP Logged)
22 August, 2017 19:29
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Bedlington Lad
Whilst i have seen Joel play some very good games since his return....I just feel Willis looks more solid and controlling, which should improve nicely with age.
Willis reminds me of a young Toby Flood

Fully agree about a player I have dubbed Wincey Willis . Ask your dad.....

 
Re: Flood for Germany
Exiled Falcon (IP Logged)
22 August, 2017 19:45
He is so proud of being German he played 60 odd times for England. Why didn't he put himself forward for Germany then, he could have made a huge difference to them as an emerging nation, and allow someone else to represent England? Seriously, sportsmen really don't help themselves with this sort of krud.

 
Re: Flood for Germany
22 August, 2017 20:56
Some people need to get a grip.

 
Re: Flood for Germany
Osric (IP Logged)
22 August, 2017 21:03
Seconded

 
Re: Flood for Germany
Exiled Falcon (IP Logged)
22 August, 2017 21:19
Consider me gripped then.

 
Re: Flood for Germany
17Roundabouts (IP Logged)
22 August, 2017 22:24
Whatever our views on Toby's thoughts about playing for Germany,I'm sure I speak for many by saying that his grandparents would be extremely proud of the way his life turned out ,after fleeing their homeland & seeking refuge here during one of the darkest era's in the history of mankind

I'm just delighted that we have him on board as it was just something that we could only dream of over the last 12 months when there was speculation he may return to these shores from France, & since having learned of his background can well understand his desire to play for Germany,though share the concerns of most with any possible playing time & injuries leading to Falcon games being missed.

 
Re: Flood for Germany
aidanb (IP Logged)
22 August, 2017 23:24
I have been chewing this over for days and wondered whether to post or not.

I just can't believe the negativity in here about a player still having some ambition.

Sport is littered with people representing more than one country based on lots of conditions being met.

Good for Noah if he can get some game time for Germany and bring some improvement to them and also bring some family credit.

I can't believe there are people willing to knock the man for having a heritage and wanting to recognise it.

Being proud of his German roots has got nothing to do with his achievements for England.

Rant over.

 
Re: Flood for Germany
Exiled Falcon (IP Logged)
23 August, 2017 06:55
I have nothing against him wanting to recognise his heritage and nowhere have I knocked him for having a heritage, his family's story is incredibly interesting and if I were in his shoes I'd really want to delve into my family's past also. His past is the stuff of family tree enthusiasts' dreams.

My point is he could have played for Germany any time in his career but chose to represent England. Imagine the difference a younger Flood would have made for one thing.

If my opinion offends so be it.

 
Re: Flood for Germany
Falcons_Thunder (IP Logged)
23 August, 2017 07:45
I agree he has played 60caps for England, so why should he be allowed to play for another country. World rugby need to close that loophole. I'm a massive Toby fan and was over the mood when he decided to return. So when he was singing "God save the queen" in an England jersey was he really thinking I wish I could play for Germany and sing Dutschlandlied??

 
Re: Flood for Germany
aidanb (IP Logged)
23 August, 2017 08:25
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... So when he was singing "God save the queen" in an England jersey was he really thinking I wish I could play for Germany and sing Dutschlandlied??

Only he would be able to tell you that.

However, I bet if he got the call up for Germany he would be as proud and would be giving of his all.

Surely that situation would be about what he could add to them and not his personal achievement.


But in reality my worry about the negativity is that i hear people saying he could get injured, he will be away from us etc.... why should that be a barrier. It hasn't stopped other players in our squad getting full support for their international honours?

 
Re: Flood for Germany
Falcons_Thunder (IP Logged)
23 August, 2017 08:40
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aidanb
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Falcons_Thunder
... So when he was singing "God save the queen" in an England jersey was he really thinking I wish I could play for Germany and sing Dutschlandlied??

Only he would be able to tell you that.

However, I bet if he got the call up for Germany he would be as proud and would be giving of his all.

Surely that situation would be about what he could add to them and not his personal achievement.


But in reality my worry about the negativity is that i hear people saying he could get injured, he will be away from us etc.... why should that be a barrier. It hasn't stopped other players in our squad getting full support for their international honours?

Not long till international rugby becomes as diluted as club rugby if players can swap coyntry's they wanna play for. And I bet that conversation didn't come up before he signed up again

 
Re: Flood for Germany
Bedlington Lad (IP Logged)
23 August, 2017 09:36
i am comfortably old enough to remember Wincey Willis (Sm100)

 
Re: Flood for Germany
dick g (IP Logged)
23 August, 2017 09:58
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Exiled Falcon
He is so proud of being German he played 60 odd times for England. Why didn't he put himself forward for Germany then, he could have made a huge difference to them as an emerging nation, and allow someone else to represent England? Seriously, sportsmen really don't help themselves with this sort of krud.

Choosing between playing for England or Germany is what's known as a No Brainer.

 
Re: Flood for Germany
Falcons_Thunder (IP Logged)
23 August, 2017 10:47
Quote:
dick g
Quote:
Exiled Falcon
He is so proud of being German he played 60 odd times for England. Why didn't he put himself forward for Germany then, he could have made a huge difference to them as an emerging nation, and allow someone else to represent England? Seriously, sportsmen really don't help themselves with this sort of krud.

Choosing between playing for England or Germany is what's known as a No Brainer.

How's it a no brainier? If he wanted to represent Germany so much? Tho England players do receive a good chunk of money for appearances from the rfu. 60 appearance fees I bet that's some dosh

 
Re: Flood for Germany
aidanb (IP Logged)
23 August, 2017 10:57
Quote:
Falcons_Thunder
Quote:
dick g
Quote:
Exiled Falcon
He is so proud of being German he played 60 odd times for England. Why didn't he put himself forward for Germany then, he could have made a huge difference to them as an emerging nation, and allow someone else to represent England? Seriously, sportsmen really don't help themselves with this sort of krud.

Choosing between playing for England or Germany is what's known as a No Brainer.

How's it a no brainier? If he wanted to represent Germany so much? Tho England players do receive a good chunk of money for appearances from the rfu. 60 appearance fees I bet that's some dosh

He would have done it for free no doubt

 
Re: Flood for Germany
London_Falcon (IP Logged)
23 August, 2017 11:12
As far as I understand it there is no way under current rules that he could play for Germany.

The current rules say that once you have played for either of the top 2 senior XVs or the senior 7s you are locked to that country.

There was a loophole around the Olympic 7s in Rio but as I understand it that was a one off.

Also the actual quotes were:-

"If there was any way of trying to help a fledgling rugby country, it would interest me," Flood told The Times.

"I have always been proud of being German," he added. "It would be nice to go back and connect it all together.

"My mum is the last remaining true Lieven and she went back to Germany about 10 years ago to put together the family tree, so if there was a chance to connect into that it would be great."

Doesn't say anything about actually playing there, does it? He could 'help' them with PR, coaching, mentorship or whatever.

 
Re: Flood for Germany
London_Falcon (IP Logged)
25 August, 2017 13:33
I stand corrected, he could indeed switch to Germany if he plays for them at the next Olympics. Probably a bit of a long shot though, as they need to qualify first, right?

 
Re: Flood for Germany
aidanb (IP Logged)
25 August, 2017 13:58
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London_Falcon
I stand corrected, he could indeed switch to Germany if he plays for them at the next Olympics. Probably a bit of a long shot though, as they need to qualify first, right?

He can play for them in the qualifiers apparently. It was posted above

 
Re: Flood for Germany
markismith50 (IP Logged)
25 August, 2017 16:37
I had a good chat about this yesterday with Floody on the flight down to the Premiership launch in London (at which one interviewer presented him with a German football shirt!)

Basically, he won't miss any Falcons games. You don't need to worry about that.

He offered to 'help out' with the German squad, there are no plans at this stage for him to actually do it, and if he did it would be on the proviso his Newcastle commitments were unaffected. There was no specific mention of this being as a player.

So take a deep breath everyone.

 
Re: Flood for Germany
dick g (IP Logged)
25 August, 2017 18:59
Quote:
markismith50
I had a good chat about this yesterday with Floody on the flight down to the Premiership launch in London (at which one interviewer presented him with a German football shirt!)
Basically, he won't miss any Falcons games. You don't need to worry about that.

He offered to 'help out' with the German squad, there are no plans at this stage for him to actually do it, and if he did it would be on the proviso his Newcastle commitments were unaffected. There was no specific mention of this being as a player.

So take a deep breath everyone.

Thanks Smithy for putting things in perspective. It never occurred to me when I started this thread that it would be quite so controversial. Never underestimate Falconistas' sensitivities.


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