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Re: Falcons V Tigers
AFalcon24 29 October, 2017 16:51
Great atmosphere at the game, but overall so poor what stood out for me was how poor our scrum was a long with everything else. sad smiley

Re: Falcons V Tigers
davietoon 29 October, 2017 17:11
At 13-14 I fancied our chances, if we d scored early in the second half might have been a different story . Leicester just finished their chances and we didn t. The scrum is a concern but it s technique and can be improved. Don t forget that Leicester pack absolutely mullered a huge Castres pack last weekend .
M.o.m Veaina by a mile don t know how Ford got it over him. Now let's take advantage of the International Window and score some points.

Re: Falcons V Tigers
Falcons_Thunder 29 October, 2017 17:32
Well I think today has brought us down to earth a bit, our scrum was under pressure all game, we desperately need a class loose head prop. Bobby is an amazing servant to the club but at his age against a future British and Irish lions he got smashed. And still think we need at no8 like Opeti Fonua because we aren't tieing in players and creating spaces to exploit. But against a good Leicester side who fully deserved to win. Tho they didn't get that bonus point



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Re: Falcons V Tigers
alas 29 October, 2017 18:12
It wasn't the worst performance of the season. It was up and down like against LI and the Dragons. That was nowhere near good enough against a much improved Leicester. Giving players two weeks off seems not to work, although Socino and Goneva were pretty good.

Re: Falcons V Tigers
Cumbrian_falcon 29 October, 2017 18:13
I thought we were awful today. Tigers dominated in every area without having to do a lot. The defence was woeful neither of the centres showed up and both wingers were poor. Sinoti in particular I thought was poor going forward he gives you something different but how can you support a player when you donít know what heís going to do.

A few hit ups and line breaks from JP and Sinoti and that was all. It was as if we lost sight of how weíve been playing recently.

Up front as expected it was a tough game at the coal face.

The amount of handling errors and stupid decisions to kick but not find touch was infuriating.

Flood looked like he didnít want to be out their no idea why?

Mr Barnes didnít help matters with every 50/50 going Tigers way. How he missed the blatant hit on Harris from Tigers 8 was shocking. Tigers were offside continually but we didnít play them at their own game.

Overall we were the architects of our own downfall in toothless defence and very little attack.

Big changes needed over the next few weeks and stern talking need to be said. Iím so disappointed that we left our worst performance of the season for our first sell out.

Re: Falcons V Tigers
Cantabrian 29 October, 2017 18:44
Think Falcons Thunder has got it right. Sometimes you get beaten by a better side. The Tigers were very good today. Just a blip on our progress radar.

Re: Falcons V Tigers
aidanb 29 October, 2017 18:50
I felt it was a simple game we lost today.

Our wingers defended badly and their wingers took eager advantage.

Re: Falcons V Tigers
Wensleydale Falcon 29 October, 2017 18:56
Big changes needed??
Some strange comments on certain performances here but hey we all have our opinions.
Come on folks let have some perspective on this. We were beaten by a better team on the day. They were clinical in most areas and we were not. Our set piece in general was disappointing (it has been our strength this season) missed tackles, ill discipline which cost us a lot of possession and it's all these cumulative things that cost us today I feel.
Let's be honest we are all very disappointed at the result but some on the comments here are an over reaction.
Their front row was always going to cause us problems with their pedigree and Ellis Genge is some player.
We are going to have these setbacks from time to time but it's how we react to them that matters.
If we are disappointed think how the guys are feeling.
A bad day at the office yes.....but we will learn by it I'm sure!

Re: Falcons V Tigers
Wensleydale Falcon 29 October, 2017 18:59
Absolutely Cantabrian......that's exactly it today!!

Re: Falcons V Tigers
Osric 29 October, 2017 19:00
At 13-14 we had a chance to score. Noah opted for a cheeky dink through which didn't result in any points. Had we held our nerve a little longer, taken a 20-14 lead, things would have been different, probably. We were beaten by a side containing numerous internationals who had more patience and, dare I say it, a little more accuracy than we did.

Re: Falcons V Tigers
trummy200 29 October, 2017 19:20
Well I enjoyed watching the game -Tigers are looking very strong and on the up. I cannot remember Ford kicking so well before today. Since leaving Gloucester May appears transformed, running straight when before he seemed to run across the pitch. Veainu in the first half was electric and of course they have their Forwards power. It looks as they will be some competition for most teams this season. BUT Tigers team must cost an arm and a leg compared to the Falcons - these games happen

Re: Falcons V Tigers
NorfolkFalcon 29 October, 2017 19:23
Genuine question - Am I in the minority who thinks our scrum has been sub standard this season? I know it's been stated that statistically our scrum hasn't pretty good success rate but we do end up giving away a fair amount of penalties and sometimes backwards momentum from our scrums.

Again, no dig at Vickers and Welsh as they are capable of doing a job but they need help. Will we ever see anything to suggest re-signing Davey Wilson was worthwhile? Will Scott Wilson be able to get back to his form that got him an England Saxon place with all of his long term injuries? Lockwood looked promising when his brief start was abrupted by long term injury last year. Can he get back to play to that level again? I really hope it is yes to all but I do have doubts.

I'd do anything for similar props to Exeter ability wise. Nothing flashy but they provide a very solid foundation for the rest of the team to just play. Our backs would thrive from it.

Re: Falcons V Tigers
Leipziger 29 October, 2017 20:11
It sounded on the radio like we struggled to cope with Leicester's intensity in the first half, and they were just too strong overall.

These games will happen, it's another reality check I guess. Onwards and upwards after the AW Cup games!

Re: Falcons V Tigers
helmet 29 October, 2017 20:12
the prop issue is a massive problem for us were constantly on the back foot and need alternatives, unfortunately the sicknote wilsons aren't the answer and until this area is sorted were gonna struggle to kick on. don't know what mickey ward is coaching at scrum time but it certainly aint working

Re: Falcons V Tigers
tigerburnie 29 October, 2017 22:06
Tigers are hitting a bit of form with this side, many new faces in the side, but all comfortable with what needs to be done and for the most part we are starting to come together. Your side wasn't bad, just knocked out of stride by a side climbing the league.

Re: Falcons V Tigers
DB23 29 October, 2017 22:15
Leicester played well and we didnít.

We were off the pace and our quality dropped today and you canít do that against good teams.

The half time score flattered us although we were still in the game, but Leicester were the better team on the day and deserved to win.

Our scrum struggled and the line out was arguably worse. Without a decent set piece it makes it very difficult to win matches. I was concerned about our front row holding up against Leicesterís 1-3 and so it proved but a lot of teams would struggle against England internationals and Lions.

However, it is only one game and if we get back to how we can play it will soon be forgotten.

Top teams play well consistently and thatís what we have to aspire to do if we want to compete at the right end of the Premiership

We are still in a good position in the league and in Europe and I am enjoying this start to the season more so than for many years.

Re: Falcons V Tigers
Cumbrian_falcon 29 October, 2017 22:44
Now ive calmed down a bit and safely at work flat after the 3 hour drive to reflect on the game, maybe I was initially harsh. A lot of pressure on the boys this week as the game has been hyped up and a full house. We didnít have a good day at the office. I still believe some of the players on show werenít at the races today but it happens itís not dire and wasnít like Bath away last year so I hope we can write it off and go again.

Note to self donít gob off after the game when emotions are still running high.

Re: Falcons V Tigers
Falcons_Thunder 30 October, 2017 07:00
Our scrum is an issue FACT we need a LH and a extra TH and with the wilsons and Lockwood seem to be never injury free enough to play consistently enough now is the time to recruit. Look down at the Southern Hemisphere for a Prop

FRANCOIS VAN WYK
JERMAINE AINSLEY
JC JANSE VAN RENSBURG
JOHN-HUBERT MEYER
THOMAS DU TOIT

I'm sure with Kyle here he could recommend a couple for good SA props

Re: Falcons V Tigers
exhooker 30 October, 2017 07:28
The result was the right one on the day but I was disappointed because we made so many mistakes and unforced errors. Missed touch kicks, dropped passes and silly penalties are the difference between pressing and letting the other side back in. Still, I would have taken equal fourth on points at this stage.

Re: Falcons V Tigers
Bedlington Lad 30 October, 2017 08:21
My thoughts on the game:

I'm still struggling to see why Willis didn't get a game unless he's injured. He has the pace to attack the line, Flood has no pace at all now, I don't see him as being significantly better than Willis, he's more suited to controlling a game we're ahead in, in my opinion. If I was Willis and DTH I'd feel hard done by to be left out after watching yesterday's effort.

We need new props if we've got the money - our scrum is just underpowered

3 Deliberate late hits on Falcons players - no cards not your best effort Mr. Barnes

The powers that be need to give goal kickers thirty seconds to make a kick and tell teams to hurry up and make a decision - women have given birth in the time it took Ford to kick penalties [www.fitpregnancy.com] [www.mirror.co.uk]

Re: Falcons V Tigers
AFalcon24 30 October, 2017 08:22
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Falcons_Thunder
Our scrum is an issue FACT we need a LH and a extra TH and with the wilsons and Lockwood seem to be never injury free enough to play consistently enough now is the time to recruit. Look down at the Southern Hemisphere for a Prop
FRANCOIS VAN WYK
JERMAINE AINSLEY
JC JANSE VAN RENSBURG
JOHN-HUBERT MEYER
THOMAS DU TOIT

I'm sure with Kyle here he could recommend a couple for good SA props

Yeah some good ones there out of all of them I would have Thomas Du Toit played well for Munster when he was on loan there, also there is a good number of other quality ones also. Definitely think it's an area where we need to improve on for next season. smiling smiley

Re: Falcons V Tigers
DJMc 30 October, 2017 08:48
I agree with Bedlington Lad about the time Ford took to take the penalties in that it was an age so no wonder the crowd became restless at times. I understand that quality kickers need to go through their routines but they should be aware of the law on the time limit and practice accordingly.

Re: Falcons V Tigers
aidanb 30 October, 2017 10:00
Kraken

I don't think one of your comments in there is appropriate

that topic is never appropriate on a public forum when used as a quip

Re: Falcons V Tigers
IanC 30 October, 2017 11:17
The time limit is 1 minute, the very best kickers practice to that.
I used to think exactly the same thing about Farrell and 'put the clock' on him. His style is metronomic and every kick I've measured has been within 2 seconds of 55 seconds. I suspect you'd find the same thing with Ford. A minute is a surprisingly long time, and these players are, by their very nature, obsessives.

Re: Falcons V Tigers
BH 30 October, 2017 11:21
As a Falcons fan I agree with IanC. I clearly saw Wayne Barnes checking his watch during preparations for kicks.

Re: Falcons V Tigers
Benpj17 30 October, 2017 11:25
60 secs for a penalty and 90 secs for a conversion

Re: Falcons V Tigers
IanC 30 October, 2017 11:41
You're right, of course.
The 90 seconds is in the Laws
9.B.1(e) Taking a conversion kick

(e) The kicker must take the kick within one minute and thirty seconds (ninety seconds) from the time a try has been awarded. The player must take the kick within one minute and thirty seconds even if the ball rolls over and has to be placed again.

Sanction: The kick is disallowed if the kicker does not take the kick within the time allowed.

I think, but happy to be proved wrong, that the 60 seconds from when a penalty kick at the posts is indicated is a competition regulation. You'll note that the good kickers wait as long as they can (often almost to having the tee) before pointing at the posts.

Re: Falcons V Tigers
Benpj17 30 October, 2017 12:01
Is it not 60 secs from the tee being placed

Re: Falcons V Tigers
IanC 30 October, 2017 12:08
I think it's indicating that you're going for the posts, but I haven't checked. It's probably on teh Premiership website but it isn't the most navigational friendly!

Re: Falcons V Tigers
alas 30 October, 2017 12:45
Flood takes as long.

Re: Falcons V Tigers
Bedlington Lad 30 October, 2017 14:45
They're all as bad as each other I think, but Ford seemed especially slow. I just think as a general rule once they've indicated it's a shot for goal they get 30 seconds to put the tee down, line it up and kick it over. It's not like they've got to kick up a mound of mud to balance he ball on like they used to

Re: Falcons V Tigers
AndyPenman 30 October, 2017 15:13
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Bedlington Lad
They're all as bad as each other I think, but Ford seemed especially slow. I just think as a general rule once they've indicated it's a shot for goal they get 30 seconds to put the tee down, line it up and kick it over. It's not like they've got to kick up a mound of mud to balance he ball on like they used to

They have 1 minute from the arrival of the kicking tee, sand or making their mark in the pitch. I timed Fords last 2 kicks and he was about 5 seconds over on both occasions so possibly within Sirs tolerance level

Re: Falcons V Tigers
Exiled Falcon 30 October, 2017 16:39
I think the clock should be stopped for kicks at goal myself, far too much time is lost during kicks at goal. Not a dig at George, they all do it and as long as a referee feels it's within time limits then fair enough. To be fair it only seems an age when it's the oppo doing it, never heard any murmurs by fans of the kicker when it's theirs seemingly taking an age.

Re: Falcons V Tigers
Osric 30 October, 2017 18:20
That's potentially eight, ten, twelve minutes per game spent watching a kicker doing their increasingly twitchy routines. Cue, watching old you tube videos.
The more the ball is in play, the more tired the players get (the less they'll have to all weigh 16-20 stones) and the more free flowing the game will become. Anything that allows for more free flowing running rugby, the better. I recall Eddie Jones suggesting that the clock should stop once a scrum is awarded and should only be restarted when the ball emerges. I think it was tongue in cheek but the same principle applied. I also recall him suggesting a move back to older versions of substitution rules (i.e. Have none, or far fewer).

Re: Falcons V Tigers
SK 88 30 October, 2017 20:34
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AndyPenman
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Bedlington Lad
They're all as bad as each other I think, but Ford seemed especially slow. I just think as a general rule once they've indicated it's a shot for goal they get 30 seconds to put the tee down, line it up and kick it over. It's not like they've got to kick up a mound of mud to balance he ball on like they used to

They have 1 minute from the arrival of the kicking tee, sand or making their mark in the pitch. I timed Fords last 2 kicks and he was about 5 seconds over on both occasions so possibly within Sirs tolerance level

In France they have a separate kick clock that counts down.

Its a great idea and totally removes an area of controversy from the game whilst helping to speed it up.

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