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Quote:aidanb
Saracens
FORWARDS: Mako Vunipola (144), Jamie George (196), Vincent Koch (39), Maro Itoje (94), Will Skelton (25), Mike Rhodes (69), Ben Earl (16), Jackson Wray (201).
BACKS: Ben Spencer (132), Owen Farrell (174), Sean Maitland (42), Brad Barritt (223), Alex Lozowski (60), David Strettle (138), Alex Goode (261).
REPLACEMENTS: Christopher Tolofua (17), Richard Barrington (136), Juan Figallo (90), Nick Isiekwe (35), Sione Vailanu (4), Richard Wigglesworth (210), Nick Tompkins (69), Alex Lewington (0).
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Argh!!! How didn’t we get something out of that game!?
At 21-22 with 2 sin bins we should have seized control, created momentum and got some points. Why didn’t we bring all of the replacements on as soon as they went down to 13? The likes of Mulipola, Takelua, Flood were all out on their feet and we needed fresh legs.
I thought that the officials may have been including in Sarries over inflated salary cap based on his performance today.
Both sides were no where near at their best and we can definitely improve.
There were still some positives. McGuigan was my man of the match, fantastic game. All action, completed all lines including a few specials. He never stopped. Chick played well too, made some good runs, crucial turnover on our line.
Quote:Squawker2
Going off what the ref said in his chat with the TMO, the initial contact (and thus the impact and contact with the actual elbow) was at the base of the neck and it then ran upwards.
That backs with my own (admittedly red & black-shaded!) viewpoint.
I don't think Goneva was breaking the law in any way (I think the grumbling by my team that it's so against the game's values as to be a foul is a bit off). I would say that since the ref can only judge off what he sees, if your dummy prevents everyone from seeing then obviously he'll blow the whistle.
That notwithstanding, Goneva was once again a great player - I'm a big fan of Sarrie's wingers, but I'd love to have him ourselves.
Quote:GeordieFalcon
Sorry but I thought we gave that one to Saracens with an absolutely toothless, unimaginative attacking game .
We had lots of possession and were utterly unintelligent in attack.
Quote:Robs
Quite surprised that there hasn't been much said about the refs decision to haul Goneva back following Farrells botched drop goal
I was in touch with a mate watching it on BT Sport and he said Goneva clearly placed the ball on his foot rather than the ground
For me the ref made a blooper that cost 7 points
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I did think Tompkins was very lucky not to get a red, but maybe also Goneva lucky not to get a yellow for charging into the ruck after the whistle had blown. Yes it hit his bum but still really bad and could still cause some damage, especially as that’s where a lot of forwards brains are located
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Don't worry, you've got an easy game next week.
Quote:Marco19819
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7. Goneva dummy interesting but think it raises some questions about "spirit of the game" if he gets away with it. Its a little like a bowler whipping the bails off when the batsman is backing up in cricket!
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Quote:Marco19819
1. I am pleasrd tompkins didn't receive a red. Its not basketball and i think we need to be sensible. Yellow correct.
2. Ref was terrible and we didn't get anythinf from him. They were repeatedly dangerous at the contact area and he only penalised them once
3. Their kicking game won the game
4. Mcguigs a revelation.
5. Chick was excellent
6. George try soft and if we had kicked the ball off the park at 10 9 and gone in at that score what a difference. Thier first try also lucky from a defensive rip.
7. Goneva dummy interesting but think it raises some questions about "spirit of the game" if he gets away with it. Its a little like a bowler whipping the bails off when the batsman is backing up in cricket!
8. Mark wilson a test match player. First class.
9. I really hope mulipola is ok
10. Front row first class and yes, rhe scrum was FANTASTIC
Quote:Doddie's tartan trewsQuote:GeordieFalcon
Sorry but I thought we gave that one to Saracens with an absolutely toothless, unimaginative attacking game .
We had lots of possession and were utterly unintelligent in attack.
so taking the above how would you improve it? against one of the outstanding defensive units in European rugby?
from my viewpoint behind the posts in s stand. sarries offered very few holes and covered kicks well.
just asking to see what you do to fix it
Quote:sarricen
Would’ve had no gripes if Goneva scored but it’s hard to blame the ref as the deception was so good it fooled him and given I don’t think anyone has ever tried it before he’d hardly be on the lookout for it. Maybe your captain should have talked to the ref before the game to ask for ‘clarification’ over whether it’s allowed so at least he’d have been aware
Calls for why shouldn’t the TMO have been brought in (elsewhere, not here) are also a bit silly as the ref clearly blew his whistle, very early on, and you can’t blame him for that. Once that happens then that’s that.
I did think Tompkins was very lucky not to get a red, but maybe also Goneva lucky not to get a yellow for charging into the ruck after the whistle had blown. Yes it hit his bum but still really bad and could still cause some damage, especially as that’s where a lot of forwards brains are located
Quote:mannin
Biggest issue in the try that pretty much settled the game was the blatant knock-on by Wigglesworth right in front of Tempest which he claimed went backwards. That was before the very questionable final pass.
Surprised no-one has mentioned Mavinga who had the better of Koch and Figallo. Think we left Mulipola on 15m too long and lost momentum at the scrum last part of the game.
Quote:aidanbQuote:Marco19819
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7. Goneva dummy interesting but think it raises some questions about "spirit of the game" if he gets away with it. Its a little like a bowler whipping the bails off when the batsman is backing up in cricket!
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Which is also known as the batsman cheating and trying to steal runs
Quote:Falc DancerQuote:Marco19819
1. I am pleasrd tompkins didn't receive a red. Its not basketball and i think we need to be sensible. Yellow correct.
2. Ref was terrible and we didn't get anythinf from him. They were repeatedly dangerous at the contact area and he only penalised them once
3. Their kicking game won the game
4. Mcguigs a revelation.
5. Chick was excellent
6. George try soft and if we had kicked the ball off the park at 10 9 and gone in at that score what a difference. Thier first try also lucky from a defensive rip.
7. Goneva dummy interesting but think it raises some questions about "spirit of the game" if he gets away with it. Its a little like a bowler whipping the bails off when the batsman is backing up in cricket!
8. Mark wilson a test match player. First class.
9. I really hope mulipola is ok
10. Front row first class and yes, rhe scrum was FANTASTIC
Aren’t points one and two a contradiction? Is an elbow to the face not dangerous enough?
Quote:The Gambler
It was interesting to see Ian Tempest live up to the true spirit of the game today.
He has been clearly influenced by the Memorial plaque to William Webb Ellis at Rugby school who, according to the inscription "...with a fine disregard to the rules..." created the game. Normally it is the players who continue this tradition, now that we have a referee so determined to do so too, will he start a trend?