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Zach Kibirige
11 June, 2019 11:05

 
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GeordieFalcon (IP Logged)
11 June, 2019 11:08
Confirmed to Wasps.

 
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GeordieFalcon (IP Logged)
11 June, 2019 11:12
You cant blame Zach and in truth i very much blame the selection team for this one.

He had his injury and court case and then was back fit and firing...and only got a bit of gametime here and there despite scoring tries.

Did Dean not have faith in him?

 
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aidanb (IP Logged)
11 June, 2019 11:31
I think he will get even more spelks at Wasps than he did here

edited


The above sounded harsh - a lot more harsh than I wanted

I think he is a good player and didn't get as much chance here as he maybe would have liked but I just don't see that as a move to improve his game time.



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TIGHT HEED (IP Logged)
11 June, 2019 11:45
Another to turn his back on us in time of need after we supported him in his

I honestly cannot understand why he is not proving himself in the championship and coming back as a first choice starter after a year of showing his worth

The bench at wasps seems a strange option to me

Good luck if thats his decision



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Marco19819 (IP Logged)
11 June, 2019 11:53
Dear me.

 
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onceastag (IP Logged)
11 June, 2019 11:53
Did Smithy say this announcement was the last of the relegation clause contracted players? If so, that should mean Johnny Williams is staying which helps soften the blow.

 
Re: Zach Kibirige
Rogerandout (IP Logged)
11 June, 2019 11:56
Disappointing but understandable from his perspective. Good in attack and perhaps not as good in defence. I think injuries have perhaps prevented him from making the breakthrough earlier. I remain confident that if we retain the top class forwards that we have our backs will be good enough.
Mullipola, Ah You, McGuigan/Cooper is a great front row.
The changes in the second row leave me unable to have an opinion.
The backrow is unchanged and I would like the arrival of a big beast but that will perhaps have to wait a year.
I rate Takulua, we have many centres, some inexperienced. With Kibirige gone and Goneva almost certainly going we may need one, but perhaps that should be from the A Team.
Letís get behind the players we have hopefully make a statement this year and use this as a springboard to happier times.

 
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digitalsys (IP Logged)
11 June, 2019 12:03
He may not end up on the bench at Wasps - many of the pundits have been impressed with his playing, and I am sure he will prove himself at Wasps.

This one falls sadly on the shoulders of the DoR from what I can see (albeit limited) and I am surprised that we have not lost more of the up and coming players - we are very lucky to be keeping Radwan (if he stays and I am sure he will - or at least hope so).

When your senior players are not delivering the goods, you have to give the younger players a change to prove themselves, especially when facing relegation. It has looked as though we have had no Plan B far too many times, and I have watched games where players just did not turn up for the match, mentally. Once I can understand, but it happened too many times and basic errors that we would be all of the teams at junior level. Falling off tackles, being in the wrong place, and I can go on for some time.

We are watching these players leave now, and the fact that we didn't tie them down for non-release contracts, or when it was going badly wrong, do something about it, is a responsibility of those at the top. the worst part for me, is that I have yet to hear someone stick their hand up and say that they did not do their job as well as was expected or required, and that they would do much better.

Sick of hearing the same old platitudes and excuses about why it is not the DoR's responsibility and that the team made mistakes - it was his team, so that's where the buck stops. You could argue that Mr K is where the buck stops, as he is head of the food chain at the club, and that is also correct. Maybe he should have acted a long time ago to ensure the correct management and coaching teams were in place to do the job required.

There may be reasons why we have not made more of an effort to stay up, but I for one am not privy to them - if there are valid reasons, then I am happy to stand corrected and may change my views and opinions on this one.

Time for a total shake up of the management structure, and for me that goes all the way to the top of the coaching/DoR setup.

I said I would not comment until this news was confirmed one way or another

It is the club that have let Zach down and not the other way around

In any other industry, heads would have rolled by now and people would be moving on at a much senior level - maybe we are desperate

Before anyone jumps to defend those mentioned - this is a public forum where we are entitled to our opinions and views - the above are mine

Rant over.......

 
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Falconsfan93 (IP Logged)
11 June, 2019 12:14
People may not agree, but personally I think Deano needs to go. In my opinion I feel he has held a lot of young talented players back and that is the reason why they are seeking a new club! Apart from the season we finished fourth have we actually kicked on? We still play the same mind numbing back and fourth across the pitch game plan and if that doesnít work we boot the hell out of the ball and hope for the best! This season would of been a perfect time for a complete overhaul.

 
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onceastag (IP Logged)
11 June, 2019 12:26
Last season was problematic from a selection point of view. Pick Goneva and Sinoti, two of the best wingers in the Northern Hemisphere and lose, the pundits recommend putting the youngsters in.
Play the youngsters and lose, the pundits would be up in arms about ignoring the incredible strength of Goneva and Sinoti.
What we created, or more accurately didn't create for our wingers last season is at the heart of the matter. We'll never know whether Radwan and Kibirige would have fared better than the two favoured starters. From my viewpoint on the North Terrace, I doubt if they would have been more prolific.

 
Re: Zach Kibirige
matt1il (IP Logged)
11 June, 2019 12:33
A bench warmer at a club where his main rival will be Watson?

This one doesn't surprise me in the least, we were all calling for him to play last year and he rarely did, maybe he thought the same thing?

 
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DB23 (IP Logged)
11 June, 2019 12:33
This is Richardsí fault and no one elseís. He took the club down and the players are leaving. Why wouldnít they?

They either werenít played by Richards or have no faith in him taking the club forward.

They also have opportunities in the Premiership with clubs who have played better than us, obviously, and may see better prospects to play internationally.

Good luck to Zach and all of the players leaving.

My disappointment is that Richards will be there next season.

 
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Osric (IP Logged)
11 June, 2019 13:27
Dai Youngís comments suggest he sees more in him than Dean did. Time will tell.

 
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falcons_fan (IP Logged)
11 June, 2019 13:31
Another classic case of use them or lose them. Nice one Deano. Hope he goes to Wasps, sets the premiership on fire scoring lots of tries, gets in the England set up and doesnt look back. We have just lost a superstar in the making.



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digitalsys (IP Logged)
11 June, 2019 13:40
Totally agree

 
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ed.up.north (IP Logged)
11 June, 2019 13:41
This is a real shame. I had hoped Zach would become the core of a re-emerging Falcons team next season. To be honest Iím surprised that someone with his experience even had a relegation clause so fair play to his agent for getting it in his contract. However I donít understand the people cussing him for leaving. Itís his job, not a divine calling. This is exactly the same as someone moving from Woolworths to Waitrose or from Maplin to B&Q.

 
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GeordieFalcon (IP Logged)
11 June, 2019 13:58
The thing is Dean HAS brought lots of players through. Harris, Chick, Robinson, Witty, mcGuigan, Hammersley etc etc etc.

But it just seems that at times some players just dont get his trust...and its very puzzling. Zach seems to have been one of these...as Adam Radwan has also.
Not sure what he is looking for.

Also...yes we have Goneva and Sinoti...but a good coach will manage players properly. Get the right amount of gametime against the right oppositon etc.

Im not convinced that happened this season.

It has to happen next season.



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Re: Zach Kibirige
steve1888 (IP Logged)
11 June, 2019 14:26
Sinoti was poor last season and getting on for a singer but still was picked ahead of Zach and Radwan who were playing well everytime given a chance.

 
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Pool_falcon (IP Logged)
11 June, 2019 14:29
More annoyed with the player than the club in this instance.

We've stood by the lad after numerous injuries and a court case. I would imagine he would bags of game time in the Championship and would ultimately improved as a player. Did he not think this was a big chance and he owed the club somewhat? Obviously not.

I think he's a real talent, but he was behind Sinoti and Goneva...two amazing wingers.

 
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digitalsys (IP Logged)
11 June, 2019 14:53
Come on - seriously

Numerous injuries received playing/training for the club

Court case - innocent (what a farce that was - but a good lesson to all pro-sportsmen/women)

He owes the club that was reluctant to play him absolutely nothing at all - and clearly is not convinced that he wants to stay in the same environment that failed to play him last season. He might be more tempted to stay had they shown some faith in him last year to be honest.

If the management have lost the dressing room or the team along the way, it is quite an easy decision for a young lad to take. I say 'if'.

If I didn't trust my boss to do right by the company or me, I would be off - no difference for Zach, except his career is going to be relatively short by comparison, in that role.

 
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Pool_falcon (IP Logged)
11 June, 2019 15:11
Yes seriously.

If my company had stood by me after sickness/injury and a court case, yes I'd feel like I would owe them somewhat. Not that it's exactly the same.

I'm genuinely quite upset this one and some part of me Hopes he fails, which is not nice in the slightest.

At least Radwan seems to be staying, I'd have been more upset from a playing perspective if he'd have left.

 
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nook10 (IP Logged)
11 June, 2019 15:34
is there a chance that goneva is staying and he felt he would be on the bench for another season

 
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Marco19819 (IP Logged)
11 June, 2019 15:57
Can I just say that we don't KNOW what goes on and I'm assuming that, as a reasonably bright bloke, there are probably reasons why deano has been reluctant to give game time to kibirige. I'm playing devil's advocate here because I agree with what people are saying. I have been calling for he and radwan too- you have to TRUST players. It's the same reason I would have Cipriani playing for England but then, I don't know the bloke so I can't make the call.

 
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AJfalc (IP Logged)
11 June, 2019 19:26
Sad to see him go but why sign a 2 year contract in April?

 
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Falc Dancer (IP Logged)
11 June, 2019 19:50
Disappointing news
Zach is a finisher and would have scored a hatful in the championship next season
All the best Zach

 
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Leipziger (IP Logged)
11 June, 2019 20:07
Disappointing we're losing him but whatever else we think, you can't blame Zach for leaving a team that's just been relegated and is usually at the bottom of the table for one that is usually towards the top, maybe with a pay rise thrown in.

 
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Exiled Falcon (IP Logged)
11 June, 2019 20:58
Iíve been holding off having a rant because until today it was all rumour and heresay. However, now itís confirmed......

This is the most disappointing of all the departures, more because of the symbol of what it represents. Here is a local player who has been systematically ignored for whatever reason with the inevitable conclusion that he is forced to leave to get game time elsewhere. Outrageously under utilised and undervalued by our DOR and part of me hopes he comes back to bite Deano on the a$s. Obviously the 99% of the forum who thought he was a potential star were sorely mistaken. Good luck Zach, hope you do well.

A very grumpy Exiled Falcon this evening.....



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GeordieFalcon (IP Logged)
11 June, 2019 21:27
Just hearing a few rumours that Zach was very injury prone and the lack of gametime was more down to picking up niggly injuries every couple of games...which stopped him getting picked regularly.

So maybe we dont know the full story, but it's difficult when Dean has a zero communication rule about injuries.

 
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Exiled Falcon (IP Logged)
11 June, 2019 21:35
Fair comments GF, we maybe donít know the full story. Last sentence spot on however.

 
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Exiled Falcon (IP Logged)
11 June, 2019 21:51
Mind you, would Wasps sign him if he were injury prone, there must be fitness tests?

 
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steve1888 (IP Logged)
12 June, 2019 09:55
GF - he was turning out for the A Team when not selected ?

 
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Benpj17 (IP Logged)
12 June, 2019 10:05
The club also gave him a new contract in April, if he was that injury prone why not let him just leave

 
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AFalcon24 (IP Logged)
12 June, 2019 10:21
As I said don't worry we have Arscott to dominate our wing, I wouldn't mind us going for Henry Purdy. smiling smiley

 
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CharlieDog (IP Logged)
12 June, 2019 12:47
If it were about game time, why did he sign a new contract in April? If anything, he's had more game time since then, so this 'never gets picked' comment is a fallacy.

If he feels he is better than the Falcons and doesn't want to help get us back up then better he leaves. Who knows, he might do a McGuigan in a couple of years!

There's obviously quite a few believe in what's going on at the Falcons otherwise they would have left too - per Smithy's comment on another thread there are no more relegation clauses leavers - and I'm sure most contracts have them now.

Lots of people on here have opinions - few, if any, REALLY knows whats gone on. I spend a few hundred quid a year with the Falcons but this pales into insignificance compared to what Semore puts in - if he's happy with long term progress, then so am I!

 
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GeordieFalcon (IP Logged)
12 June, 2019 13:21
Im just commenting on what ive heard...

We dont know what the full story is. All we know is he is gone. And we now have the following wings on our books.

Goneva (though i believe his contract is coming to an end)
Sinoti
Radwan
Passman
Hodge - A full back, but he covers wing (playing for the ENgland u20 on the wing)
Arscott - Wing / FB
Tait - FB who has played wing, but i dont like him there.

 
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pityacker (IP Logged)
12 June, 2019 13:33
If Goneva stays and no rumoured clubs in France have announced his signing as yet he will be missing for a number of games early season as he will be at the world cup with Fiji.

 
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Wensleydale Falcon (IP Logged)
12 June, 2019 20:31
Iím with your comments 100% Charliedog.

 
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dick g (IP Logged)
12 June, 2019 22:33
Quote:
CharlieDog
If it were about game time, why did he sign a new contract in April? If anything, he's had more game time since then, so this 'never gets picked' comment is a fallacy.
If he feels he is better than the Falcons and doesn't want to help get us back up then better he leaves. Who knows, he might do a McGuigan in a couple of years!

There's obviously quite a few believe in what's going on at the Falcons otherwise they would have left too - per Smithy's comment on another thread there are no more relegation clauses leavers - and I'm sure most contracts have them now.

Lots of people on here have opinions - few, if any, REALLY knows whats gone on. I spend a few hundred quid a year with the Falcons but this pales into insignificance compared to what Semore puts in - if he's happy with long term progress, then so am I!

Quite

 
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mannin (IP Logged)
13 June, 2019 09:14
Quote:
CharlieDog
If it were about game time, why did he sign a new contract in April? If anything, he's had more game time since then, so this 'never gets picked' comment is a fallacy.
If he feels he is better than the Falcons and doesn't want to help get us back up then better he leaves. Who knows, he might do a McGuigan in a couple of years!

There's obviously quite a few believe in what's going on at the Falcons otherwise they would have left too - per Smithy's comment on another thread there are no more relegation clauses leavers - and I'm sure most contracts have them now.

Lots of people on here have opinions - few, if any, REALLY knows whats gone on. I spend a few hundred quid a year with the Falcons but this pales into insignificance compared to what Semore puts in - if he's happy with long term progress, then so am I!

I wouldn't have thought that many of the contracts signed at the end of the season before last have clauses as relegation wasn't at the forefront of thoughts.

 
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steve1888 (IP Logged)
13 June, 2019 10:21
Thats a very good point , also Smithy said last relegation clause activated maybe others could leave still at theirs or Falcons request.

 
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mannin (IP Logged)
13 June, 2019 10:36
The 3 that have left on clauses had only recently signed their contracts so it was definitely a consideration in negotiations.

 
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steve1888 (IP Logged)
13 June, 2019 11:13
Which showed at least a degree of loyalty as all could have obviously signed for higher clubs then

 
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mannin (IP Logged)
13 June, 2019 11:47
Exactly

 
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aidanb (IP Logged)
13 June, 2019 12:39
I don't understand this word loyalty

it means nothing in professional sport


When the club wants to get rid of a player it lets the contract run down
When a player wants to leave he goes at the end of his contract.

That does not always mean that people have had a falling out or a lack of respect.

a DoR may not select a player for a myriad of reasons and none of them would be a personal slight on the player

a player may leave for a similar amount of reasons and non of them be a slight on the club.

the modern professional sportsman is an employee and will thus go and get a contract which returns the best financial deal with whoever is offering it - but i doubt anywhere it is written in paper that they will play a certain amount of games each season etc...


loyalty is an amateur concept.

 
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steve1888 (IP Logged)
13 June, 2019 12:44
Yep but mentioned is the club press releases and comments too which reaises the discussions.

 
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aidanb (IP Logged)
13 June, 2019 12:48
Quote:
steve1888
Yep but mentioned is the club press releases and comments too which reaises the discussions.

Director of rugby Dean Richards said: "It's always disappointing when players decide to move on, especially when they're homegrown lads in whom we have invested a lot of time and effort.

"That said, we wish Zach all the best for the future, and we thank him for his contribution during his time with us."

I just fail to see the issue of loyalty any more

If Falcons had wanted him to go there would have been no contract offer and it would have just been business

 
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steve1888 (IP Logged)
13 June, 2019 13:19
I agree with you , the press release on Welsh said he'd shown loyalty so seems some focus on it for whatever reason.

 
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markismith50 (IP Logged)
13 June, 2019 13:31
To clarify, it was Welshy rather than the club who mentioned loyalty.

I asked him the question "what was your thought process around signing the contract?" and he just answered it in his own words.

 
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steve1888 (IP Logged)
13 June, 2019 14:47
That's fair enough Smithy I just said it was in the release but seems to be getting mentioned for whatever reasons.

 
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markismith50 (IP Logged)
13 June, 2019 14:51
No worries Steve, I just didn't want anyone to be under the misapprehension that the club had used the specific word.

 
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SimonG19 (IP Logged)
13 June, 2019 15:37
Quote:
CharlieDog
...
There's obviously quite a few believe in what's going on at the Falcons otherwise they would have left too ....

I'm sure that's true although of course you wouldn't leave unless you have an offer elsewhere would you?

 
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Exiled Falcon (IP Logged)
13 June, 2019 18:48
Quote:
mannin
The 3 that have left on clauses had only recently signed their contracts so it was definitely a consideration in negotiations.

The fact that all three recently been signed new contracts kind of renders any contract renewal as meaningless when announced, albeit welcome in the short term.

 
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Kwa444 (IP Logged)
14 June, 2019 08:37
He seems to have been the coming man for as long as I can remember. What is he 25 now? I know he has had issues with various things which may have effected his playing time.

I think it's fair enough for him to think it is time to move on and try to make it elsewhere. I guess time will tell if his potential was unfulfilled with us.

There is an argument that the definition of stupidity is doing the same thing, the same way and expecting a different result - he has been to the Championship with us before and not broken through in a significant way. I don't think loyalty is an issue in this case.

 
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Exiled Falcon (IP Logged)
14 June, 2019 09:10
Iíd forgotten heíd recently signed a contract so kind of take my rant back, although I still think he should have made far more than the 7 league appearances he made. He was obviously happy enough at the time to sign on and like the two Hs, Iím afraid it smacks of cake and eating it although I think Iím alone in that view.

On the flip side, Welshy and George signing on has been a huge boost and Williams staying on (as it looks like) is the biggest boost of all. The squad looks pretty good to me, now for our coaching staff to use them appropriately and make sure accuracy (:-^) isnít a problem throughout the season!

 
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Daveyb (IP Logged)
15 June, 2019 10:25
Loyalty is just a convenient badge, put out there when it suits. If you were young and hungry, would you go down a division again? How much playing time will he get with Wasps? It remains to be seen. He has flair for sure, but is he a week in week out starter in the Prem?....not for me in a month of Sundays I am afraid


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