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The man who would be wing
DrunkenWasps.com (IP Logged)
20 May, 2015 15:19
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Re: The man who would be wing
St Bruno (IP Logged)
20 May, 2015 15:53
I've long since given up trying to fathom Lancaster's selection policy. If it is his, that is, and not Farrell Snr.
Burrell, Twelvetrees, Dickson, Goode, even Kruis are not international quality in my view. Not sure that Burgess is either yet and if he is, only in the pack.

Glaring omissions for me are Wade and Ewers.

 
Re: The man who would be wing
WaspieKev (IP Logged)
20 May, 2015 16:01
Agree St Bruno. Both players should have been in the training squad at least. SL's lack of adventure is going to come back and bite him in the @rse when we fail to get out of our group and interest in the RWC fades from an England point of view. Very short-sighted in my opinion and as you say, some of those selections are quite bewildering.

 
Re: The man who would be wing
SaintED (IP Logged)
20 May, 2015 16:09
Nothing to add but that's a cracking headline/title smiling smiley

 
Re: The man who would be wing
Vespulavulgaris (IP Logged)
20 May, 2015 16:35
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SaintED
Nothing to add but that's a cracking headline/title smiling smiley

Thanks grinning smiley I was quite proud of that one.

 
Re: The man who would be wing
StevieWasp (IP Logged)
20 May, 2015 16:46
I agree with the comments here, but let's not be overly dramatic.

Bruno and Kev, you state that it's short sighted of Lancaster not to pick Wade and Ewers, and that therefore we're likely to exist the world cup at the group stages

Even if those 2 were included in the initial squad, there's a very strong possibility that they wouldn't make it into any matchday squad anyway.
As a Wasps fan, I love Christian Wade, and while I'd likely have him in my squad, I can understand some of the reasons for not starting him.
As we know with TV2, it's rare that an out and out winger ever makes it onto the bench.

As for Ewers, he's definitely had a great season, and again I can understand the desire to have him in the squad.
However, given the experience (and credit in the bank) that Haskell and Wood already have, can you really see Ewers starting? Especially when the versatility of Lawes/Itoje would probably see them on the bench ahead of him.


While I agree that it would be good to have these 2 in the extended squad, I really don't see that they'd change our fortunes significantly enough to get us out of the group stages and win the tournament

 
Re: The man who would be wing
WaspieKev (IP Logged)
20 May, 2015 17:33
Fair comments Stevie, but this is initially a training squad and it would have at least been a recognition of their respective talents.

 
Re: The man who would be wing
Heathen (IP Logged)
20 May, 2015 18:11
Two cr@p performances against Oz and Wales and England won't get to the KO stages anyway.

 
Re: The man who would be wing
StevieWasp (IP Logged)
20 May, 2015 18:20
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WaspieKev
Fair comments Stevie, but this is initially a training squad and it would have at least been a recognition of their respective talents.


I definitely agree with you there.

 
Re: The man who would be wing
Raggs (IP Logged)
20 May, 2015 18:45
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Two cr@p performances against Oz and Wales and England won't get to the KO stages anyway.

Which would have been true with or without Ewers and Wade in the 50 man squad.

Against Aus we should be looking at our best defensive and set piece team, which wouldn't include Ewers or Wade regardless.

Against the Welsh, at home, I like our chances regardless, but throw in Launch and Lawes into the squad that played them at the millenium, and I think we'll be sitting pretty.

 
Re: The man who would be wing
Vespulavulgaris (IP Logged)
20 May, 2015 18:57
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Two cr@p performances against Oz and Wales and England won't get to the KO stages anyway.

Which would have been true with or without Ewers and Wade in the 50 man squad.

Against Aus we should be looking at our best defensive and set piece team, which wouldn't include Ewers or Wade regardless.

Against the Welsh, at home, I like our chances regardless, but throw in Launch and Lawes into the squad that played them at the millenium, and I think we'll be sitting pretty.

Wade's presence isn't going to make a blind bit of difference to our set piece, but his presence on the field is going to force their defence to focus on him a lot more than they will with Ashton, or Strettle, or May or...

Just like Jason Robinson did, just being there opens up holes in the defence of the other team because they are so concerned he might get the ball with a bit of space.

 
Re: The man who would be wing
backdoc (IP Logged)
20 May, 2015 19:02
Imagine how effective Joseph could be with Wade offering the outside threat.

 
Re: The man who would be wing
Bandy (IP Logged)
20 May, 2015 19:27
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Imagine how effective Joseph could be with Wade offering the outside threat.

I'm drooling. Somebody fetch the nurse.

 
Re: The man who would be wing
Hymenoptera (IP Logged)
20 May, 2015 20:02
Wade or no Wade...SL is frankly a muppet who has very little vision in the game and is as conservative as you'll find in terms of selection and the 'faces' he wants.
I never understood how he got this job and i still can't fathom it...Strettle and Yarde my eye!

 
Re: The man who would be wing
Raggs (IP Logged)
20 May, 2015 20:07
Wade on the wing would offer a running threat, but I very much doubt that's how we'll be playing Aus. We'll want to nullify their backs, and blast their pack, tried and tested. Nowell and Yarde I think could make the most interesting pairing, both go looking for work, and Yarde is finding form, and in form is exceptionally dangerous, equally both are solid in defence (Yarde has improved there with quins).

I think if all were fit and firing, I'd probably go May and Roko to be honest. Roko has a hip injury that Bath opted not to go down the surgery route for, and Roko has paid the price with his exclusion. Wade has been stripped of the ball a few times now, his strength under the high ball is variable, and he doesn't seem to get himself involved to the same degree as Yarde/Nowell.

If I had been picking the squad for a while, I'd take him, and I'd start him. I'd rely on Brown and Joseph to cover him defensively. Equally, I'm very surprised and disappointed that both Ashton and Strettle are in, whilst he isn't. But when it comes down to that 31, I'd have been very surprised if Wade had made it.

 
Re: The man who would be wing
RossM (IP Logged)
20 May, 2015 22:27
A very good Welsh friend of mine thinks that squad is great!

 
Re: The man who would be wing
Trev's Big Tackle (IP Logged)
20 May, 2015 22:28
I could see our group going to points difference - e.g. England beat Oz, Oz beat Wales, Wakes beat England. The group will be decided by who thrashes Fiji and the other team by the most points. In that scenario I'd want Wade in my team.

Wade's exclusion from the training squad is, frankly, cowardly from Lancaster and, in particular, Farrell snr. Wade is a fantastic attacking threat. This is the England coaches chance to take Wade in and actually coach him to make him a better defender. Farrell is either wimping out or doesn't think he's up to the job. He fills his teams with defensive minded players rather than taking players and improving their defensive skills like Edwards does.

 
Re: The man who would be wing
Andy1210 (IP Logged)
20 May, 2015 23:36
Strettle and Ashton better than Wade?? What kind of fool is SL..Ashton's defence is embarrassing at times. Wadey has had an average season if we are honest, but mainly down to his defensive game being totally compromised by our poor defensive organisation this season. In attack he's been fantastic as normal.

The squad is an insight into who is really picking the team - a heavy Saracens bias, especially in the backs, even though their attacking game is very limited.

Lancaster is limited in his thinking and he hit that limit a long time ago.

 
Re: The man who would be wing
RossM (IP Logged)
20 May, 2015 23:39
Lancaster is simply not international class.

 
Re: The man who would be wing
westwaleswasp (IP Logged)
21 May, 2015 07:37
Neither is Farrell Senior.

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