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Re: Cheats Apparently Prosper Very Well Indeed
jonnydeane (IP Logged)
30 October, 2015 19:44
Maybe sarries were the only club but they did it twice over!!!!

 
Re: Cheats Apparently Prosper Very Well Indeed
Rob Smith (IP Logged)
30 October, 2015 19:57
Hopefully Sarries will say, along with Bath, that everything is hunky dory and then there will be no reason for the PRL not to release full details to those annoying accessories.....the fans.



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Re: Cheats Apparently Prosper Very Well Indeed
Raggs (IP Logged)
30 October, 2015 20:40
The whole point of the coverup is that no-one has broken the cap, and they can all claim to have not breached it.

What's important about these statements are the teams saying they haven't been investigated, or they are not one of the teams making settlements.

I think it's Sarries, Bath and Falcons that don't make these claims.

 
Re: Cheats Apparently Prosper Very Well Indeed
Lord grumpy (IP Logged)
30 October, 2015 20:48
A legal definition of what comprises of salary within the cap is needed. I would think that weasel words & "get around clauses" will have been used. Is a club car included & are mortgage payments part of salaries. Until definitions of what's in & what's out are stated there will always be cheats!

 
Re: Cheats Apparently Prosper Very Well Indeed
Raggs (IP Logged)
30 October, 2015 20:56
Legality is the issue. The PRL put a cap in place, and have now chosen to break it in effect. There's nothing illegal (by way of the LAW of England) in that.

The cap wording was quite clear really, any payment made to the player or his family etc, that is made due to him playing at the club, no matter who pays it, should be included. A prime example is JJs pies, a great way to pay JJ extra cash, but if his pies are no longer for sale at the AP, then it's rather likely it was on the basis of him being a sarries player. The PRL contract itself stated that potential loopholes should be reported and not exploited.

 
Re: Cheats Apparently Prosper Very Well Indeed
Rob Smith (IP Logged)
30 October, 2015 21:28
Raggs, it is absolutely not a legal issue. It is one of integrity, openness and honesty. A drugs cheat breaks no laws, simply breaks the agreed code enter into by all others taking part. Put simply, you shake hands, one sticks by the agreement the other don't - basically every principle the game is based upon.



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Re: Cheats Apparently Prosper Very Well Indeed
StevieWasp (IP Logged)
30 October, 2015 23:55
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Raggs, it is absolutely not a legal issue. It is one of integrity, openness and honesty. A drugs cheat breaks no laws, simply breaks the agreed code enter into by all others taking part. Put simply, you shake hands, one sticks by the agreement the other don't - basically every principle the game is based upon.

Although everyone plays every game by breaking those rules and trying to get away with it

 
Re: Cheats Apparently Prosper Very Well Indeed
St Saltaire (IP Logged)
30 October, 2015 23:59
I believe that the investigation was into the seasons preceding last season. Bath's statement cleverly relates to last season only.

 
Re: Cheats Apparently Prosper Very Well Indeed
doog (IP Logged)
31 October, 2015 08:46
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Bath have issued a staement in which they say that they have not breached the salary cap.
They didn't say they weren't investigated though, and what about the 13-14 season, which is when the offences probably took place anyway? Smoke and mirrors, smoke and mirrors...

 
Re: Cheats Apparently Prosper Very Well Indeed
Rob Smith (IP Logged)
31 October, 2015 11:38
Quote:
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Raggs, it is absolutely not a legal issue. It is one of integrity, openness and honesty. A drugs cheat breaks no laws, simply breaks the agreed code enter into by all others taking part. Put simply, you shake hands, one sticks by the agreement the other don't - basically every principle the game is based upon.

Although everyone plays every game by breaking those rules and trying to get away with it

Of course. But if you get caught you don't throw your toys around and phone your lawyer. You say sorry Sir, take the sanction on the chin and get on with it.



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Re: Cheats Apparently Prosper Very Well Indeed
EightyMinutes (IP Logged)
31 October, 2015 14:56
I like the idea put forward in The Times I believe that Saracens should in future have an asterisk placed after their name when talking about honours won to signify that their Premiership victory last year was in a discredited competition.

Not the greatest sanction of course but at least it has the merit of being truthful which is a pleasant change in this tawdry affair.

 
Re: Cheats Apparently Prosper Very Well Indeed
Danjester (IP Logged)
31 October, 2015 15:42
Bath's statement omits the very necessary "We didn't enter in a confidential settlement with PRL", or words to that effect, that we made sure to clarify. This suggest that they DID sign a confidential settlement with PRL and seem to be guilty of exploiting loopholes, if not explicitly breaking the cap.

In any sport breaking the spirit of the rules is just as bad as breaking the letter of them, IMO.

 
Re: Cheats Apparently Prosper Very Well Indeed
WaspieKev (IP Logged)
31 October, 2015 15:55
They didnt prosper too well today!

 
Re: Cheats Apparently Prosper Very Well Indeed
Raggs (IP Logged)
31 October, 2015 20:41
Shame Sarries are storming on. From the amount I got to watch however, Farrell, George and Itoje all appeared very strong (only saw half the first half though), and I'm generally reluctant to praise Farrell.

 
Re: Cheats Apparently Prosper Very Well Indeed
WaspieKev (IP Logged)
10 November, 2015 14:08
So after failing to get Faletau, Barf have just signed David Denton from Edinburgh. Maybe not quite as high a profile but still pretty useful and probably not cheap. Don't help themselves really do they?

 
Re: Cheats Apparently Prosper Very Well Indeed
Duckonstilts (IP Logged)
10 November, 2015 15:47
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So after failing to get Faletau, Barf have just signed David Denton from Edinburgh. Maybe not quite as high a profile but still pretty useful and probably not cheap. Don't help themselves really do they?

In fairness to the cheats, they did get a massive payment for Sam "Im a centre, honest" Burgess going back where he belongs.

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