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Why was Launchbury omitted from the Lions squad
Mellie (IP Logged)
19 April, 2017 13:27
I had him as a shoe in and likely test starter so why did Gats think otherwise?

Launchers was poor against Leinster compared to 6 nations form and has looked a bit jaded since so maybe considered his form has dropped off.

He is not a lineout specialist. I think he really needs to do more in this area to ensure he brings more to the party i.e. his all round game is totally world class.

He has not impressed at restarts. An ongoing Wasps failing.

There are others who cover flanker and seen as better options there - Itoje, Hendetson and ev en Lawes.

Steve Borthwick influence who will always choose Kruis over him which is why he was considered a stand in for England by the press.

Apart from that he's probably the best lock in the world &#128512;

 
Re: Why was Launchbury omitted from the Lions squad
Trev's Big Tackle (IP Logged)
19 April, 2017 14:13
Gatland must have been long gone from Wasps before Launch came on the scene so can't have any history there. Has Launch run over Gatland's cat while on holiday in Wales or something?

Launch was getting rave reviews in the run up to the 2013 tour too and was ignored, although he was relatively new on the international scene.

 
Re: Why was Launchbury omitted from the Lions squad
ShWadd (IP Logged)
19 April, 2017 14:20
Favouritism.....that's why he's omitted. Arguably player of the tournament at 6N and nominated as England Player of the Year. Phenomenal in the summer. Standout player for Wasps....yet dropped for George Kruis who's barely played all year...

 
Re: Why was Launchbury omitted from the Lions squad
COYW15 (IP Logged)
19 April, 2017 14:28
Dai doesn't seem to know why... [www.youtube.com]

 
Re: Why was Launchbury omitted from the Lions squad
WaspieKev (IP Logged)
19 April, 2017 14:41
Quite simply, Borthwick and Farrell's influence over Gatland in deciding upon their Sarries mate Kruis. I'm sure some of our Sarries friends will hijack this thread pretty quickly so let me say that Kruis is a fine player and worthy of a call up, but he didnt play in the 6N and so neither did he pick up 2 MOM awards in the process. He's also only played about an hour since a long term injury so who can really assess either his fitness or form at the moment? I'm more surprised that AW-J, out of form and with waning powers, is considered better than Joe. That one does stink of Welsh bias I'm afraid, although it wont matter as when he doesnt make the plane due to injury Joe will take his place anyway!

 
Re: Why was Launchbury omitted from the Lions squad
Heathen (IP Logged)
19 April, 2017 16:08
Does Joe have enough of the 'controlled agressive/nasty edge' to his game?

Lovely guy and he was a shoe in for me, but maybe Gats wants a bit more of the above.

 
Re: Why was Launchbury omitted from the Lions squad
Adey (IP Logged)
19 April, 2017 16:08
Sarries fan who thinks that Joe has been hard done by. I don't think it should have been a tough choice between him and Kruis, I think both should have gone and AWJ left behind.

 
Re: Why was Launchbury omitted from the Lions squad
welsh wasp (IP Logged)
19 April, 2017 16:10
Another thread full of sour comments about one Welsh choice. I assume those who have commented here know little or nothing of what Gatland contributed to Wasps.

One comment from the Bristol match. Nearly all wasps' line-outs went to Simmonds. Not sure why that was the case. My memory was that Simmonds usually supported the other second row and perhaps this was a new tactic from Dai (Welsh by the way) because Bristol would have targeted Launchbury as the likely receiver.

 
Re: Why was Launchbury omitted from the Lions squad
Rob Smith (IP Logged)
19 April, 2017 16:16
Would think it's more down to pure lineout skills. For England for Wasps he is simply outstanding in terms of work rate and in open play - more often than not compensating for the back row combinations/limitations. However Gats may feel the back row can cope and the need is for more highly technical operators at lock. Having said that I'd pick him.



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Re: Why was Launchbury omitted from the Lions squad
Gaz (IP Logged)
19 April, 2017 17:29
Welsh wasp, perhaps a person with your sensitive disposition should stick to a Wales forum. It's not the first time you have seemingly taken offence at any criticism of anything Welsh, but then it's hard to say, maybe you are being IRONIC, to coin a term you misused on another thread.

I've seen nothing that is anti-Welsh just for the sake of it, but I've seen plenty questioning why certain Welsh players have been selected, which is not the same thing.

I'd like to hear your arguments in favour of, say AWJ against Launchbury, considering one is injured and the other is widely regarded as one of the best players in his position and just off the back of his second 6N title and one of the players of the tournament.

 
Re: Why was Launchbury omitted from the Lions squad
StonedWasp (IP Logged)
19 April, 2017 17:47
perhaps Lauchbury has some Scottish blood in him ? That might explain his omission. (Sm100)

 
Re: Why was Launchbury omitted from the Lions squad
mowen (IP Logged)
19 April, 2017 18:07
Cue 2 pages (minimum) of complaints about Welsh bias, Saracens bias, arguments about aforementioned bias, comments about the lack of Scottish players and people asking "what more does Joe have to do!?!" Etc etc.

So to chuck my opinion into the mix- he wasn't picked because of coaches bias towards other players, just look at how few Scottish players got picked (fewer than the last tour). And seriously though...2 MotM performances in a team that won the 6 nations, how can that not be good enough?

 
Re: Why was Launchbury omitted from the Lions squad
chunky24 (IP Logged)
19 April, 2017 18:23
Scottish players presumably suffered due to two of their coaches turning down positions on the coaching team, no voice to fight their corner in the selection.

Similarly clearly shows Borthwick considers itoje and kruis as England's number one lock pairing and can understand them both going, thought launchbury would get nod above lawes as awj was always going due to his lion's track record.

Doubt Joe needed anymore motivation for play offs but the thought of cleaning out the line out against Saracens should do it.

 
Re: Why was Launchbury omitted from the Lions squad
CB Wasp (IP Logged)
19 April, 2017 18:25
Whatever reason that we conjure up there is no getting away from the fact that Launchers has been a victim of selector bias for their mates. Sport like life is not always fair! Anyone that has watched live international rugby over the past few years will see what Joe brings in his all round game. He reads the game really well, is deceptively quick around the park, carries, tackles and passes well. Above all these attributes he has a great temperament for imternational rugby. Re lineouts if you look at his stats for 6N I think you will find that he was pretty good. I am gutted for him and his family, there is nothing more he could have done. Picking injured players is always a risk not just because of their injuries but also their form.

He may still go and get into the midweek team but in my view he deserved better.

 
Re: Why was Launchbury omitted from the Lions squad
SaintED (IP Logged)
19 April, 2017 18:59
Quote:
WaspieKev
Quite simply, Borthwick and Farrell's influence over Gatland in deciding upon their Sarries mate Kruis.

I'd say you're half right and half wrong.

If you think its the Kruis vs Launchbury head to head that has got him left behind you're way off base but I suspect that Borthwick has had a major part in making sure Kruis tours. As the coach in charge of the lineout you might suggest that in choosing on of the NHs preeminent lineout callers he's doing his job by doing so.

I'll be honest I don't get Launchbury not being picked by Jones has also had his reservations. It's obviously not skill. Is he not vocal enough? does he socialise well? I honestly don't know but it feels like there's something holding him back even if it's an unfair perception.

 
Re: Why was Launchbury omitted from the Lions squad
Raggs (IP Logged)
19 April, 2017 19:13
Given that AWJ, Kruis, Lawes and Itoje are all capable of calling the lineout, I don't really see the issue with Launch not calling it, it's virtually impossible to pair him up with another lock that can't do the calling. He's not a lineout virtuoso, but he can hold his own.

 
Re: Why was Launchbury omitted from the Lions squad
ricohchezwasp (IP Logged)
19 April, 2017 19:21
Having been a goalkeeper he has excellent handling skills, he is an 80 minute player, great tackler, hopefully he will get a chance this time.....



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Re: Why was Launchbury omitted from the Lions squad
doog (IP Logged)
19 April, 2017 19:32
As H keeps pointing out to me, Launch is getting married this summer, and its quite possible he elected not to push for selection. That said, I think we all agree he deserved to go, but I will not be surprised if he now doesn't go on the England Tour to Argentina, and elects for a long break.

 
Re: Why was Launchbury omitted from the Lions squad
Raggs (IP Logged)
19 April, 2017 19:34
Arg tour is a lot shorter i believe. Could be the wedding is after if he does go.

 
Re: Why was Launchbury omitted from the Lions squad
westwaleswasp (IP Logged)
19 April, 2017 19:44
This selection might benefit Wales and England in the long run.
England have need of someone to take the 9 shirt, whilst while Nowell et al. are away we might get to see the actual best wingers in England, fingers crossed.

Likewise there is a lot of dead wood in the Welsh backs that has managed to get itself selected for the lions en masse, there has been a lot of criticism of the self-same players by the Welsh media during the 6N. Wales likely have better options than all, and a Pacific Islands tour is on the horizon.

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