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The 'Wasps Way'
DrunkenWasps.com (IP Logged)
30 April, 2017 22:58
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Re: The 'Wasps Way'
Penn Wasp (IP Logged)
30 April, 2017 23:39
Loved the article - thanks for putting it together.

Personally, I would be happier we were an entertaining, gallant loser rather than a 'boring' winner - because I watch rugby to be entertained.

What makes Sarries and Chiefs formidable is that they execute on their game plan precisely. Many teams in the premiership try to play the same game but do not.
We on the other hand, will give anyone a run for their money if we play our game well AND put the physical effort in and limit silly mistakes.

So, yes we can play exciting rugby and win - but we need to implement as well as Sarries implement their plan.

 
Re: The 'Wasps Way'
CB Wasp (IP Logged)
01 May, 2017 08:52
Well!! During the regular season it is absolutely great to be entertained with 5 or 6 try home victories against the bottom 8 teams and occasional European visitors.

But is this really enough? Not quite for me. I do want our team to win European quarters and semis and make and win finals very soon, because unless we do I fear that we will slip down the tables again, a little bit like Bath in the last couple of years, especially as some of the bottom 8 become stronger and more competitive over a season.

Remember the Quinns European game 2 seasons ago at the Stoop. We defended for 70 minutes of that game. Haskell made about 30 tackles on our 22 and they did not score! I was delighted, what a performance, what teamwork!

If we are to be revived this season then It is teamwork that will see us through. Defend as a team, secure good quick ball phase after phase and then we can enjoy the champagne rugby that our backs can deliver.

 
Re: The 'Wasps Way'
Heathen (IP Logged)
01 May, 2017 09:44
The annoying thing is that rocket science is not needed to fix it.

We do not need to sacrifice our attacking flair.

As said above, we just have to be better organised (plus cut out the kamikaze stuff).

 
Re: The 'Wasps Way'
Oxtedwasps (IP Logged)
01 May, 2017 10:00
Well said Heathen, the differences between winners and losers is so close these days.

Surely a combination of team 1 and team 2 is the optimum?

For those of us who have been around a long time, (1970's), gulp,supporting the club, one of the best things was that we were a middle table club that came good at the end of the season and produced giant killing performances, always the underdogs, perhaps being one of the giants doesn't suit us?

 
Re: The 'Wasps Way'
ricohchezwasp (IP Logged)
01 May, 2017 10:33
The fact is our main competitors have started with a not lose attitude, solid defence strong kick and chase and rarely sacrifice this defence to attack, over the years they have developed a more attacking game without this sacrifice. In the early years Sarracens would lose to anyone who could match their defensive strengths and beat them because they did not score enough points.This has changed.

We have adopted a more attacking streak but along the way since Brad Left we seem to have lost our way defensively. its too late to change this year but we will need to change going forwards.



Not a Doctor and not a troll!!

 
Re: The 'Wasps Way'
Raggs (IP Logged)
01 May, 2017 11:26
Our defence had it's bad days with Brad too, slightly less porous perhaps, but we had very bad days then too, and still often didn't have good linespeed.

 
Re: The 'Wasps Way'
backdoc (IP Logged)
01 May, 2017 12:28
Do we not think that there is an inconsistency [at least] in our forward play, both at set piece and at the breakdown?

Since xmas we have been one down in the forwards coach line-up, which presumably means Dai has to do this as well?

Are our defensive problems in part because it is easy to get front-foot ball against us?

 
Re: The 'Wasps Way'
Andy1210 (IP Logged)
01 May, 2017 13:48
Does it coincide with the same time we got rid of our forwards coach?

 
Re: The 'Wasps Way'
Raggs (IP Logged)
01 May, 2017 16:30
We got rid of him after our scrum was minced.

Against Leinster we held well against two lions props. And we've rarely been dominated there. Lineout has been reasonable whilst not great and maul defence in general has been good.

Set piece for me has mostly been good.

 
Re: The 'Wasps Way'
Vespulavulgaris (IP Logged)
01 May, 2017 16:40
What Raggs said.

To me the thing that is missing is not the skill but the intensity.

We have done well at the set piece when we've managed to keep the intensity up. Even against Toulon at home last season we drove the intensity despite being hammered in the scrum.

Our defence is great when we commit to it and force the pace. Same with our attack. What causes that difference is not a defence coach, or even an attack coach. It is something more than that and I don't know what.

But I do know our apparent slide in performance does seem to coincide with Beale announcing he is leaving.

 
Re: The 'Wasps Way'
Raggs (IP Logged)
01 May, 2017 17:06
I agree that intensity is missing (mostly from defence), but I do think that is on the coaches. You only have to see what desire the likes of Farrell and Gustard get out of players in defence.

Our defence get's outnumbered too often, and whilst that's a problem that the players should be solving on the pitch, that it happens constantly means it's a coaching issue to be resolved.

We may of course simply spend more time training attack than defence, and that's fine as long as we commit to it, but committing to it means starting Cips.

 
Re: The 'Wasps Way'
backdoc (IP Logged)
01 May, 2017 21:48
Not convinced by the comments on the scrum.We always look under pressure to me.

 
Re: The 'Wasps Way'
WaspieKev (IP Logged)
01 May, 2017 22:32
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Not convinced by the comments on the scrum.We always look under pressure to me.

I agree - we just dont look that secure at scrum time.

However, I'm not sure that KB's decision coming half way through the season should make much difference to our performance as it was always a possible scenario. Still, I think it was odd that the club chose to allow him to release it as its certainly had an effect on us supporters!

 
Re: The 'Wasps Way'
Dgwasp (IP Logged)
01 May, 2017 22:53
I'm not sure the club had much choice over the timing as I'm sure Cheika would have said something before the end of the season given the pressure he must be under... Not sure if it is posted elsewhere, however I saw a rumour in the telegraph that Beale might be up for a return to Wasps after the world cup... Making him 31/32 I think.

 
Re: The 'Wasps Way'
DuncanS (IP Logged)
02 May, 2017 07:31
Seems to me Dai has lost his nerve to an extent in dropping Danny. Gopps is seen as the safe option, but he doesn't possess Danny's creativity (who does?). It's too late in the season to move away from the tactics that got us to top spot in the first place, and moving Jimmy to 10 doesn't seem to have worked. @#$%& or bust! Cips to 10 for the rest of the season, and let's give it a lash!

 
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NellyWellyWaspy (IP Logged)
02 May, 2017 07:43
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Dgwasp
I'm not sure the club had much choice over the timing as I'm sure Cheika would have said something before the end of the season given the pressure he must be under... Not sure if it is posted elsewhere, however I saw a rumour in the telegraph that Beale might be up for a return to Wasps after the world cup... Making him 31/32 I think.

His contract with Waratahs expires at the 2019 WC, leaving him a free agent in November 2019. On Rugby Tonight last week he said he wanted to come back (there is a recorded snippet on the BT Sport site somewhere). If he does come back at that time, I cannot see a lot of money being on the table.

 
Re: The 'Wasps Way'
ElliesBoss (IP Logged)
02 May, 2017 08:05
There's a normal way and a Wasps way. What's new? I prefer the Wasps way!

 
Re: The 'Wasps Way'
Raggs (IP Logged)
02 May, 2017 08:24
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DuncanS
Seems to me Dai has lost his nerve to an extent in dropping Danny. Gopps is seen as the safe option, but he doesn't possess Danny's creativity (who does?). It's too late in the season to move away from the tactics that got us to top spot in the first place, and moving Jimmy to 10 doesn't seem to have worked. @#$%& or bust! Cips to 10 for the rest of the season, and let's give it a lash!

Perhaps, perhaps not, Danny hasn't been 100% with his injury, so it may be they are simply controlling his game time, hoping to break into the playoffs and have him fully fit. I do tend to agree with you, but until we see our playoffs side, I wouldn't call it either way.

 
Re: The 'Wasps Way'
westwaleswasp (IP Logged)
02 May, 2017 08:40
Not sure there is much wrong with the pack that the real Hughes and Hask could not sort, but this year's versions seem ineffective. Our set piece has been reasonable for the most part, but it has not been destructive, which could be the next step.
I struggle to see how we could grind out results with regularity with our back line. Our backs are meant to play some. It has been a good season.

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