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England - Danny is on the bench this time
Boooo (IP Logged)
14 June, 2018 11:12
More to come...

 
Re: England - Danny is on the bench this time
Boooo (IP Logged)
14 June, 2018 11:13
Five Wasps in England team to play in 2nd test vs South Africa

Wasps' Joe Launchbury, Elliot Daly, Nathan Hughes, Danny Cipriani and new signing for next season Brad Shields have been named in the England team to play the Springboks in the second test.

England head coach Eddie Jones has named his team to play South Africa in the second Test in Bloemfontein on Saturday 16 June (kick off 1605pm BST, live on Sky Sports Action & Main Event).

There are two changes to the starting XV that played on Saturday with Brad Shields (Hurricanes/Wasps) making his first England start at blindside flanker and Joe Launchbury (Wasps) coming in for Nick Isiekwe (Saracens), having recovered from his calf injury.

Danny Cipriani (Wasps) is named as a finisher replacing Piers Francis (Northampton Saints) on the bench. Cipriani’s last cap for England came against France ahead of the Rugby World Cup in 2015. Mark Wilson (Newcastle Falcons) is also included as a finisher having last played for England on the Argentina tour last season.

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Brad Shields and Nathan Hughes singing the anthem before the 1st test

Eddie Jones said: “We have come here to win the series against South Africa and the squad is ready to go out and beat them this weekend. We have had a very good preparation this week and the intensity and executions in those sessions are going to put us in a good position for Saturday.

“The way the team have come together has been superb. Owen Farrell, with a number of the senior players, has really moulded the squad together. They are working hard to improve their game to make sure we win.”

Commenting on the change in the back row, Jones added: “Based on South Africa’s likely selection of an extra lineout jumper we have decided to start with Brad Shields, which improves our lineout. It is tough on Chris Robshaw as he has been an outstanding player for us but I know he will bounce back.

“Danny Cipriani will come onto the bench, as we are looking for something a little bit different to finish the game, which he can bring. He’s been training well and doing everything that has been asked of him."

On facing South Africa in Bloemfontein, Jones added: “When you have a win like South Africa did on Saturday you come into the game with a bit of confidence so we have to make sure we dent the Springboks' confidence early. Bloemfontein is a very fast ground at altitude. It has an average of 60 points per Test match so we are anticipating an ebb-and-flow type game like we had in Johannesburg.”

England lost the first match of the three-Test series against South Africa in Johannesburg 42-39 on Saturday. Their final match is in Cape Town (23 June). All matches kick off at 1705 local time (1605 BST).

Starters

15 Elliot Daly (Wasps, 19 caps)
14 Jonny May (Leicester Tigers, 35 caps)
13 Henry Slade (Exeter Chiefs, 11 caps)
12 Owen Farrell (Saracens, 59 caps)
11 Mike Brown (Harlequins, 70 caps)
10 George Ford (Leicester Tigers, 46 caps)
9 Ben Youngs (Leicester Tigers, 75 caps)
1 Mako Vunipola (Saracens, 50 caps)
2 Jamie George (Saracens, 26 caps)
3 Kyle Sinckler (Harlequins, 11 caps)
4 Joe Launchbury (Wasps, 52 caps)
5 Maro Itoje (Saracens, 20 caps)
6 Brad Shields (Hurricanes/ Wasps, 1 cap)
7 Tom Curry (Sale Sharks, 2 cap)
8 Billy Vunipola (Saracens, 35 caps)

Finishers

16 Luke Cowan-Dickie (Exeter Chiefs, 6 caps)
17 Joe Marler (Harlequins, 57 caps)
18 Harry Williams (Exeter Chiefs, 9 caps)
19 Mark Wilson (Newcastle Falcons, 2 caps)
20 Nathan Hughes (Wasps, 15 caps)
21 Ben Spencer (Saracens, 1 cap)
22 Danny Cipriani (Wasps, 14 caps)
23 Denny Solomona (Sale Sharks, 3 caps)

 
Re: England - Danny is on the bench this time
Boooo (IP Logged)
14 June, 2018 11:14
Here's hoping Fordy gets a bit of a dead leg after 10 minutes.

Ha ha.

 
Re: England - Danny is on the bench this time
Boooo (IP Logged)
14 June, 2018 11:19
Love the fact that the article (from Wasps official site) still names Danny as a Wasp.



I don't suppose...





...nah.

 
Re: England - Danny is on the bench this time
Trev's Big Tackle (IP Logged)
14 June, 2018 11:20
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Here's hoping Fordy gets a bit of a dead leg after 10 minutes.
Ha ha.

Farrell to 10, Brown to 12, Solomona to wing.

 
Re: England - Danny is on the bench this time
RossM (IP Logged)
14 June, 2018 11:23
Well, at least we can see Brad starting in his usual position rather than as a makeshift lock. Sorry for Dan Robson - looks like he'll be holding nothing but tackle bags for this tour.

 
Re: England - Danny is on the bench this time
Boooo (IP Logged)
14 June, 2018 11:26
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Here's hoping Fordy gets a bit of a dead leg after 10 minutes.
Ha ha.

Farrell to 10, Brown to 12, Solomona to wing.

I think Eddie has more faith in Danny C than Danny S.

Either Cips into 10...and stay as is.
I mean...he is a very good fly half, don't forget.

Or...Cips to 15 and Daly into 13...and everyone shifts along one.

 
Re: England - Danny is on the bench this time
Bracken&Macken (IP Logged)
14 June, 2018 11:28
Considering Cips on the bench and Spencer looking like a competition winner in the last test I don't understand Robsons absence.

Pleased for Cips, however can't help but feel he will get a token 5 minutes at full back.

 
Re: England - Danny is on the bench this time
Boooo (IP Logged)
14 June, 2018 11:33
I didn't think Spencer was too bad when he came on.

But gutted Robson isn't getting his chance after all this time.

 
Re: England - Danny is on the bench this time
Rob Smith (IP Logged)
14 June, 2018 11:36
Would have started with Cips. He’s either number 1 or nothing - think the England coach said something similar. So we are doing well or doing badly and Cips comes on at 10. What’s he going do......default into his let’s try something show stopping .... we know he can do that (sometimes backfires) what we need to see is that appropriate game management on the International stage - being on the bench achieves little, However positive.



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Re: England - Danny is on the bench this time
Trev's Big Tackle (IP Logged)
14 June, 2018 11:37
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Here's hoping Fordy gets a bit of a dead leg after 10 minutes.
Ha ha.

Farrell to 10, Brown to 12, Solomona to wing.

I think Eddie has more faith in Danny C than Danny S.

Either Cips into 10...and stay as is.
I mean...he is a very good fly half, don't forget.

Or...Cips to 15 and Daly into 13...and everyone shifts along one.

I should have used a smilie/emoji. Just suggesting a completely insane plan which, because we have EJ as coach, isn't completely beyond the realms of possibility!

Any sensible person would swap Cips on for an injured Ford. But God knows what EJ has planned.

 
Re: England - Danny is on the bench this time
Gaz (IP Logged)
14 June, 2018 12:04
Persisting with Brown on the wing is baffling when Daly is a better winger, and Brown is a better FB.

At least shields is in his preferred position but no second row cover on the bench? If Launch pulls up early on we could end up with Nathan or Shields in the second row again. Not exactly encouraging for Isiekwe, was he selected too soon?

Personally, I'd have gone for a backline as follows

9. Robson or Spencer
10. Cipriani
11. May
12. Farrell
13. Daly
14. $olomona - constrained by touring squad
15. Brown

Round pegs in round holes, we know what the incumbent half backs are incapable of. Youngs and Ford smack of complacency, neither have pulled up trees for a while but they've both got their feet under the table, but since we have a better balanced forward pack I'd expect them to have a better game this week.

I'm still ok with Farrell and Slade 12/13 but if Cips doesn't get a decent 20 minutes at 10 I'll go down to the RFU and give EJ his notice in person, I hear that he enjoys a friendly chat with supporters, the loveable fellow that he is!

 
Re: England - Danny is on the bench this time
Nomad_Wasp (IP Logged)
15 June, 2018 10:42
In the 6 Nations Eddie would only pick locks. Now he's picking back rows. Quite why there's no Isiekwe or Hill is just bizarre.

 
Re: England - Danny is on the bench this time
Beckenham Bandit (IP Logged)
15 June, 2018 17:06
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In the 6 Nations Eddie would only pick locks. Now he's picking back rows. Quite why there's no Isiekwe or Hill is just bizarre.

It seems pretty clear Eddie Jones is a bit of mentalist. It used to work. It isn't any more.

Worrying.

 
Re: England - Danny is on the bench this time
StevieWasp (IP Logged)
15 June, 2018 17:16
I'd like to think that he's looking to see where he can find some versatility within the forwards if it's required at the World Cup.

A lot of us have said that we're happy in some ways to write this tour off, providing it gives us longer term benefits - i.e. find new players / combinations


It could be that Eddie is looking to see which of his back rows could provide cover in the 2nd row if required during the world cup, rather than having to call someone new up to the squad. Similarly, he may previously have been looking to see which locks would work in the back row.


If it all worked well, we could come away from this tournament identifying that Shields is effective as both a 5 and a 6, and that Itoje/Lawes are international quality flankers.
the problem is that we might just learn that Shields is a flanker and Itoje/Lawes are locks and we'll have wasted 2 tournaments with experiments that simply show that players are better in their specialist positions.

 
Re: England - Danny is on the bench this time
Beckenham Bandit (IP Logged)
15 June, 2018 17:38
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I'd like to think that he's looking to see where he can find some versatility within the forwards if it's required at the World Cup.
A lot of us have said that we're happy in some ways to write this tour off, providing it gives us longer term benefits - i.e. find new players / combinations


It could be that Eddie is looking to see which of his back rows could provide cover in the 2nd row if required during the world cup, rather than having to call someone new up to the squad. Similarly, he may previously have been looking to see which locks would work in the back row.


If it all worked well, we could come away from this tournament identifying that Shields is effective as both a 5 and a 6, and that Itoje/Lawes are international quality flankers.
the problem is that we might just learn that Shields is a flanker and Itoje/Lawes are locks and we'll have wasted 2 tournaments with experiments that simply show that players are better in their specialist positions.

I can see what you are saying but that is very sympathetic. Jones's selection policies seem to be increasingly random. Second rows in the back row, back rows in the second row, wingers at full back & full backs in the wing. Not picking the form players in English club rugby. All very odd.

 
Re: England - Danny is on the bench this time
Raggs (IP Logged)
15 June, 2018 18:09
My guess is Eddie is seemingly trying to pick within his rwc squad. During the 6n he had lots of backrow injuries so put his excess locks there. Now he has run out of locks that could be considered for the rwc so he's using back row.

 
Re: England - Danny is on the bench this time
Beckenham Bandit (IP Logged)
15 June, 2018 18:22
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My guess is Eddie is seemingly trying to pick within his rwc squad. During the 6n he had lots of backrow injuries so put his excess locks there. Now he has run out of locks that could be considered for the rwc so he's using back row.

What is the point of having Johnny Hill in the squad if he doesn't pick a second row replacement on the bench? Against South Africa of all teams.

 
Re: England - Danny is on the bench this time
Raggs (IP Logged)
15 June, 2018 18:24
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My guess is Eddie is seemingly trying to pick within his rwc squad. During the 6n he had lots of backrow injuries so put his excess locks there. Now he has run out of locks that could be considered for the rwc so he's using back row.

What is the point of having Johnny Hill in the squad if he doesn't pick a second row replacement on the bench? Against South Africa of all teams.

Hill is an up and comer than may end up being a bolter even if he's not there yet and Eddie needs a team to run against in training. This may help Hill get that extra mile, or not, but Eddie still needs competition to run against in training. Hill is probably great for practicing lineouts against.

 
Re: England - Danny is on the bench this time
Hangover (IP Logged)
15 June, 2018 19:16
The only bit I find totally baffling is the Brown on the wing issue. We ALL know Brown isn't close to being a winger, he is a bl**dy good full back. Why on earth you wouldn't give a proper winger some international game time I just don't know. You're a worry Eddie !

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