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I love this crazy club and fear
kentwasp1 (IP Logged)
10 March, 2019 20:02
The ups and downs have been part and parcel of our fan lives over the years. In the mid 2000's Was at Euro and Domestic finals at HQ and seen glorious victories. Was at AP in 2012 for "THE" match against Newcastle. Been on tour many times in Europe for the camaraderie of Euro matches. Try for the Ricoh a few times a year but as a "left behind" find it easier and do my best to go to away games at Sorries, Quins, Barf, Tigers and Saints.
Now the fear is in the eyes again. Massive losses of 10m due to lack of play off's, as these were required in the business plan sold to the 30m bondholders. As lack of play offs this year, brace for more losses of same scale which no business can sustain . Player losses. On field meltdown. A hugely respected coach now targeted for failure.
I really really fear for our crazy club. The midlands move has not worked, at least currently, and if we end outside the top 6, something will go ping. Derek has been brilliant but can't fund a cash hunger lossmaker for ever
In a years time I hope to read this and laugh at my pessimism

 
Re: I love this crazy club and fear
greenwood (IP Logged)
10 March, 2019 21:04
How many have you had ....

'cos I feel the same.

 
Re: I love this crazy club and fear
WaspieKev (IP Logged)
10 March, 2019 22:11
Agree with quite a lot of the OP. The move to Cov hasn't exactly been a failure but we've certainly lost the family feel we enjoyed at Sudbury and Wycombe. The player/fan connection has been lost and it's difficult to identify with them any more. Still, we've more than a whole team out injured or with international commitments. As soon as we get these guys back we'll work our way back up where we belong.

 
Re: I love this crazy club and fear
wombles222 (IP Logged)
10 March, 2019 22:54
I can understand your fears KW, indeed I have shared them....however, although I was against the move initially, and even posted on here many reasons why it could not work..actually I would say from a supporting view I was wrong. We have gained supporters and fans that we simply would not of in our nomadic days. Yes we had our Sudbury collective, and a fair few others from playing at White City and High Wycombe, however the move has allowed us to find a home and connect with those that we would not otherwise would of. We are still in our infancy in Cov, but i think we have put some roots down that will only be more noticable to the wider rugby and sporting public when our younger supporters age and engage their own children and family and friends.

yes we have problems this season, and also we have some pretty decent financial deficits to overcome. But if we can survive this season we can grow...let us not play this season down, currently it has been a disaster and we have ballsed up quite impressively in the playing and coaching department to date..but our academy is strengthening, and I also believe that Dai will finally do what is needed after this weekend to put ourselves around the top 6 come seasons end. If he is the DoR i believe he is then he will respond, it is a shame we had to get to this moment to get the response, but it may well work out to be the kick we needed, as the Newks and Tigers games in the last two weeks have been sobering affairs!

Come on you Wasps!

 
Re: I love this crazy club and fear
Warleywasp (IP Logged)
10 March, 2019 23:02
Ah, nostalgia is not like it used to be.
Come on Waspies heads up.

SISU to give up legal case and go away. Which will allow us to embrace CCFC as we want to.
Academy just starting to come through again. Willis x2 and 3 in Eng U18's.
Best depth of management team we have ever had plus an owner who seems loyal to us and the game and salary cap malarky.
Good signings for next season and a couple of lovely rumours.....please come Shaun.
Massive potential at the Ricoh for hotels, concerts, casino and 365 day revenue stream to fund short term rugby shortfall.
Still early days with the move (how long have we been in Coventry versus Sudbury). Yes we lose the bright lights of London but gain Leamington Spa and Brum for nights out.
My only negative is as has already been mentioned. Happy days on the grass terrace at Sudbury, drinking with the players and the family spirit running throughout the club. However those were the old old amateur days. So now I also watch Wasps at their away fixtures. Come on Irish I need another fixture near me.

Sorry rambling now might be the Merlot. COYWS

 
Re: I love this crazy club and fear
jonnydeane (IP Logged)
10 March, 2019 23:43
Problem with talking about all the injuries and the internationals out is that we weren’t playing well when we had them available and fit. (Although appreciate some have been long term injured)

Cannot pin this season all on Jimmy, Rieder and McIntyre being injured for most of the season and now Searle.
With Robson, Lima, Bassett, de Jongh and Daly being there for the most of the season in the backs and they still have been very poor all season.
We are not playing any worse with Lima and Daly unavailable and shields and Hughes have hardly played for us all season.

Launchbury and Robson I think are one only exceptions.
The rest I think is belief, game plan and coaching as I don’t think our front row or back row have ever been dominated this term in the league
Our second row has looked underpowered with Launchbury missing and on paper we still have one of the best backlines about.
Need a shake up.... again

 
Re: I love this crazy club and fear
Old Geezer (IP Logged)
11 March, 2019 12:57
I cannot see which games we are going to win before the end of the season which would put us right into the relegation battle. The last four games we have had were critical.

 
Re: I love this crazy club and fear
CB Wasp (IP Logged)
11 March, 2019 13:04
Since Sudbury, we have been travellers. Wherever we moved from Adams Park, there would have been settling in issues, players moving on etc.I just checked our average home gate this season and it is 16,235. Only Leicester at around 20K is higher. Let's not forget, we were pulling in closer to 5,000 at Adams Park, which was clearly not sustainable. I have said this before, the Coventry fans have been brilliant. They not only support home games but when I go away, I see many Coventry based fans, such as on some of our recent trips to La Rochelle and Dublin.

Yes it was great and Adams Park to see the players in the car park and around the pitch before the game and chat easily after the game. The players haven't changed much, but the game has, dictated by more and more money. We had to make a new home and I believe that we did very well with the choice of city and people.

Now to the team, the players are very low on confidence and need a boost and I hope that the returning players such as Launchers, Robson, Daly, Shields, Hughes, plus McIntyre and Gops returning from Injury will provide that. Of the team that started on Saturday, only 3 players were in the 2017 prem final team (Le Roux, Basset and Taylor)

I do have some optimism that we will pull things around, but perhaps not in time to make top 6. Over the past few years we have done well in the International windows, but now we lose many key players, which used to affect Quinns in the same way. Our squad has not been anywhere near deep enough to cope with so many absentees.

Jack Willis has come back well and will get better, as will his brother. Miller has looked solid at 10 and his place kicking on Saturday was excellent. Hopefully he is now regaining some confidence and form which he had before Le Roux took his position. I though that Watson played well again on Saturday and is just starting to show some of the form that he had at Newcastle. I liked the look of Ross Neal again on Saturday, at least he brought some physicality to our back line.

As for changes in leadership off the pitch, my support still lies with Dai, however I do believe that we need new blood in the coaching set up and I hope that Dai is making more progress than we have heard about in the last few weeks

 
Re: I love this crazy club and fear
Hymenoptera (IP Logged)
11 March, 2019 13:14
Easily the prize for the most negative thread ever..which is some going...just what's needed.

 
Re: I love this crazy club and fear
Worcswasp (IP Logged)
11 March, 2019 13:18
Spot on CB Wasp. Coventry and Warwickshire fans are fully behind our club. How the players have moved on. Some with greed, some with ambition!!! Some with girlfriends wanting to play in Super bowl but its not the same..... Time to dig in. ....Im so looking forward to the summer and hoping next season gives me excitement again. In the meantime Top 6 is Still achievable if they want it, give it 100% and play with tempo again. We shall see.

 
Re: I love this crazy club and fear
Matt82 (IP Logged)
11 March, 2019 14:34
Completely disagree with the notion that players are not connecting with fans. Whenever I see players around the ground they are happy to talk. YY stopped and chatted quite freely on Saturday and my friend and I commented about how unassuming he was. I messaged a senior player at Christmas if they would write a birthday message for my dads 70th on a shirt I'd bought. This player was happy to do so and met me at half time during one of the games. Another player recently came into my work after I'd messaged and he was happy to do a talk to a group of young people. Cips in his last game at the Ricoh when being asked to have photos saw a disabled fan in the crowd wanting his attention and he came right into the crowd to have a picture with said person. Absolute tosh the players have lost a connection with fans.
As for the OP saying the Midlands move hasn't worked. Wasps RFC are still alive and kicking. If the Midlands move hadn't happened then there would be no rugby club full stop.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 11/03/2019 15:48 by Matt82.

 
Re: I love this crazy club and fear
NRGEE (IP Logged)
11 March, 2019 15:19
My Wife and I are some of the many new fans that you have attracted, I fully understand the issues the move presented to the die hard loyal fans .
However I do think the move will prove extremely fruitful for Wasps eventually. We both Live in Wolverhampton and love rugby with Wasps move to Coventry it was an easy decision for us to become season ticket holders.
We go to away games when we can so far Bath twice Dublin for the quarter Final against Leinster, Twickenham for the final against Exeter Leicester and Worcester.
The potential we now have at the Richo should be a huge positive Not many rugby teams get crowds of 25000 + for home games, so even though this season has been disappointing I do think eventually we will be competing in the top four again.

 
Re: I love this crazy club and fear
westwaleswasp (IP Logged)
11 March, 2019 17:24
The crowd size indicates success, the ground buzzes at 15-20 K, but barely hums once it is lower. Flat performances lower that atmosphere to a funereal silence.
For me the Ricoh is fine, although the Cider is fizzy and the rugby isn't, which is the wrong way round.
Like it or not Wasps have a playing style associated with them under Dai; fast wingers, tens that play to the line, defensively weak but with dangerous runners, lethal from turnover they offer a full treat for those that enjoy the game. Even in the earlier days, Wade and TV2 lit the stage up. We even sold the image of exciting rugby on the early post move posters. We must regain that- not evolve a more controlling prosaic style, but continue with the style we had, only with new players that can work to that. Score five? We score six. Mathematically it is much, much better to play in high scoring games with bonus points as they are. That will get- and keep-the crowd coming back. Once we get that back, we can build, tweak and progress, but everyone has to want that.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 11/03/2019 19:50 by westwaleswasp.

 
Re: I love this crazy club and fear
Worcswasp (IP Logged)
11 March, 2019 17:26
Here here

 
Re: I love this crazy club and fear
irish pete (IP Logged)
11 March, 2019 18:29
yep you need 16.000 or more to make Ricoh rock
Wade, chips and Jimmy not playing this year made the difference.
looking forward to next year, it will be like a new team next year COYW

 
Re: I love this crazy club and fear
Shugs (IP Logged)
11 March, 2019 19:06
I'm not as despondent as the opening poster. To deal with the move first of all - there was simply no choice. We wouldn't have had a club at all without it. To say it hasn't worked ignores consecutive top 4 finishes.This season has been poor there's no doubt but there was always going to be a period where we had some bad luck and we've certainly had it this year. Our run in looks tough and I must admit I am looking down rather than up but I think we'll stay up - I can see us winning at least two games which should be enough. If we could have held on on Saturday it would have been priceless. Then there is next year - I'm really encouraged by our signings and enthused by the possibility of Sopoaga and Shields having a full pre-season. Also we'll hopefully have a full season of Willis x 2 and Gopperth. We'll need to scrape through this year but I think we will - beyond that I think we'll be ok.

 
Re: I love this crazy club and fear
John Tee (IP Logged)
12 March, 2019 06:40
Quote:
westwaleswasp
The crowd size indicates success, the ground buzzes at 15-20 K, but barely hums once it is lower. Flat performances lower that atmosphere to a funereal silence.
For me the Ricoh is fine, although the Cider is fizzy and the rugby isn't, which is the wrong way round.
Like it or not Wasps have a playing style associated with them under Dai; fast wingers, tens that play to the line, defensively weak but with dangerous runners, lethal from turnover they offer a full treat for those that enjoy the game. Even in the earlier days, Wade and TV2 lit the stage up. We even sold the image of exciting rugby on the early post move posters. We must regain that- not evolve a more controlling prosaic style, but continue with the style we had, only with new players that can work to that. Score five? We score six. Mathematically it is much, much better to play in high scoring games with bonus points as they are. That will get- and keep-the crowd coming back. Once we get that back, we can build, tweak and progress, but everyone has to want that.

You can forget that Westy, circumstances have taken over and I don't believe the coach was ever fully committed to it anyway. I think that is one reason for the mass exodus.
People are moving for money, sure, but maybe they also think the best days have gone and they will try and find a new home elsewhere.
If the rugby is the same or little better from where they are now, at least they get paid more.

 
Re: I love this crazy club and fear
Heathen (IP Logged)
12 March, 2019 07:40
Make Jack Willis captain next season.

 
Re: I love this crazy club and fear
DGPWasp (IP Logged)
13 March, 2019 12:29
I think relegation is out of the question. Top 4 equally so. Top 6 unlikely.
Just to overhaul our current points total of 37, Newcastle and Worcester would need 2 and 3 wins respectively and I don't see where they will come from. And for us to go down we'd have to be overtaken by both as well as Leicester and Bristol.
Sale look to have the easiest run in of those competing for top 6, so they look nicely set for top 5 potentially. That leaves just one Champs Cup spot up for grabs and with how tight it is between the next 5 and our difficult run in I don't see us coming out on top in that race.
Not meaning to be negative, just a realistic prediction of how the rest of the season might pan out. I'm sure there'll be some surprises though.


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