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Discussion started by GHA , 30 December, 2017 15:29
#pray4mallinder
GHA 30 December, 2017 15:29
15-6 down, two quick tries for Falcons

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GHA 30 December, 2017 15:30
Tonks pen, 15-9

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GHA 30 December, 2017 15:37
Same sh*t different day

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jimbo800 30 December, 2017 15:38
You can’t win games when you cough up tries that easily. Kicking penalities can be enough for some teams in a lot of games, but not when the opposition score 7 to our 3. Still in touch but we need the next score. Feed coming through is that we’re just defending constantly. Marshall isn’t really a tactical kicker which leaves us without an exit plan when the phases don’t bring any reward.

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ardoyneirish 30 December, 2017 15:39
Wonder what nuggets of wisdom will we get from Nick at the end of the game if it stays like this???

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GHA 30 December, 2017 15:42
I said a while ago, we won't win in multiples of 3 if the other team get 5 every second visit to our 22

Hoping for but not expecting different in the second half

Coman yellow card

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GHA 30 December, 2017 15:45
Third try just before half time, 20-9 down

Need at least two moments of random magic nothing to do with the coaching staff to turn this round

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Anonymous User 30 December, 2017 15:48
Time in opponents 22 - Falcons 7m35s, us 0m35s

There's only going to be one winner with figures like that. Still, at least Sarries are handing worcs a pasting....

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Horticbm 30 December, 2017 15:48
.....another nail in the Premiership coffin for us......not many nails to go before the end of the season

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jimbo800 30 December, 2017 15:49
The owners need to take the decision out of Nics hands and sack danaher. To concede so many from first phase and so many with only a minute to go to half time it just appalling. First phase is the easiest time to defend, everyone is in position and you’re not outnumbered anywhere across the field yet we’ve conceded over 20 I think. Without that last try there was plenty to play for going into the second half. Now with a yellow card, Newcastle will go for the kill early.

When we were relegated first, I felt we didn’t deserve it, just got a bit unlucky. This time around I truelly believe we’re worse than that season and will be down again. It’s not the end of the world but the next move will dictate the future of the club.

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GHA 30 December, 2017 15:54
Why only Danaher?

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jimbo800 30 December, 2017 15:58
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GHA
Why only Danaher?

.....and Hodgson. Skivs is doing a good job I feel.

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GHA 30 December, 2017 16:01
Get Mallinder (or noves) in and ask if he wants to keep anyone or get his own fellas in

We need a big fix, an overhaul, not a little band aid covering the cracks

Preferably in the next week btw

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APigUnderEachArm 30 December, 2017 16:05
5m back, recycle, 5m back, kick to nothing. I believe that is our only strategy.

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APigUnderEachArm 30 December, 2017 16:11
Wow, cunning substitutions. The scrum was too solid so let's change both props.

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GHA 30 December, 2017 16:14
Knock on stops us in our tracks. There's a big surprise. We go back and take the three. Death by a thousand cuts

20-12

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Anonymous User 30 December, 2017 16:14
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GHA
Why only Danaher?

.....and Hodgson. Skivs is doing a good job I feel.

Is he? I don't think he is, how many times have our forwards failed to make any ground and just batter away at the opposition line? Surely that's down to skivs?

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Horticbm 30 December, 2017 16:15
Im watching Hairyqueens v Saints, Saints are clueless,I thought we were the only clueless team

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Margin_Walker 30 December, 2017 16:18
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cjm.
Wow, cunning substitutions. The scrum was too solid so let's change both props.

Scrum still solid. Capable fresh props on. I know things are going badly, but let's not pick at everything

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jimbo800 30 December, 2017 16:22
In regards to Skivs, how many teams forwards dominate other teams? Sarries, Exeter, maybe wasps at times. Even tigers can’t do it anymore. I’m not expecting domination at all but our forwards don’t get embarrassed week in week out. They’re holding their own. In a promoted team that’s all I can ask for

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Horticbm 30 December, 2017 16:24
Hairyqueens 24 Saints 0!!!.......23 mins

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APigUnderEachArm 30 December, 2017 16:25
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Margin_Walker
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cjm.
Wow, cunning substitutions. The scrum was too solid so let's change both props.

Scrum still solid. Capable fresh props on. I know things are going badly, but let's not pick at everything

But so predictable and unnecessary. It was only 50 minutes. Other strategies are available.

edited to add. You were saying? :-)



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 30/12/2017 16:26 by cjm..

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GHA 30 December, 2017 16:30
So bad :'(

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APigUnderEachArm 30 December, 2017 16:36
How do we get so little out of Cokanasiga.

Another knock on blah, blah, blah.....

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APigUnderEachArm 30 December, 2017 16:44
It's the hope I can't stand.

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Anonymous User 30 December, 2017 16:46
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cjm.
It's the hope I can't stand.

Yup, I actually believed for a few seconds we could win that.

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GHA 30 December, 2017 16:46
Surprise surprise

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Horticbm 30 December, 2017 16:50
We dont have the confidence...look at Worcs scored 31 points way at Sarries

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LI Bohemian 30 December, 2017 16:58
This team does not deserve the support it gets, the naivety is unfathomable im not blaiming the coaching staff or the team, it's just bad all over. Put them in a big sack and hit them with a cricket bat apart from big joe and Steele



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APigUnderEachArm 30 December, 2017 17:02
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LI Bohemian
This team does not deserve the support it gets, the naivety is unfathomable im not blaiming the coaching staff or the team, it's just bad all over. Put them in a big sack and hit them with a cricket bat apart from big joe and Steele

Trouble is I really think it is the coaching that is poor. A team has to be coached into playing confidently as a unit no matter how good the players are. Our team seems to have been coached to a standstill.

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HMRH 30 December, 2017 17:05
Maybe we’re just worse than all the others and nothing we have or can get will change that

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LI Bohemian 30 December, 2017 17:16
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cjm.
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LI Bohemian
This team does not deserve the support it gets, the naivety is unfathomable im not blaiming the coaching staff or the team, it's just bad all over. Put them in a big sack and hit them with a cricket bat apart from big joe and Steele

Trouble is I really think it is the coaching that is poor. A team has to be coached into playing confidently as a unit no matter how good the players are. Our team seems to have been coached to a standstill.

Really? Marshall taking the ball out on his try line.....kick away the ball when we have the knock on advantage straight to Newcastle......taking the man out off the ball.... im not saying the the coachi g staff are blameless by taking big joe off when he was our best attacking option but we all like to go for the pick and drives when we could give it to big joe?

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olw131 30 December, 2017 17:17
That was absolutely shocking - enough is enough. Didn't play in the right areas of the field, kicked away precious little possession, knocked it on in the good positions we tirelessly worked to get into.

Let's not fool ourselves - these players are good players who would excel in any other Premiership team. It's the ineptitude of the coaching which causes our insipid, limp, and quite frankly diabolical attack.

Big Joe only got his hands on the ball about twice, the poor sod, then got subbed off for the last 10 mins. Didn't make a difference as his replacement didn't get the ball either.

I gave up hope in the last few minutes. We are absolutely F-ing useless.

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GHA 30 December, 2017 17:17
Well we could try and change something and see if that works

Mallinder please

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Horticbm 30 December, 2017 17:24
The whole coaching team needs replacing, need coaches who can show success, Nick Kennedy needs to go now, be great if we can afford Mallinder. If we want to be a serious tam in the Premiership then the powers what be need to take drastic action now.

I dont know what Dr V is doing, but its not worker,We are almost certainly going to trade places with Bristol, who have sorted their team ready for 18/19 season.

10,000 supporters turned up today, to see what?,kicking ball away, dropping ball, going backwards, hats off to those people.

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APigUnderEachArm 30 December, 2017 17:30
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LI Bohemian
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cjm.
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LI Bohemian
This team does not deserve the support it gets, the naivety is unfathomable im not blaiming the coaching staff or the team, it's just bad all over. Put them in a big sack and hit them with a cricket bat apart from big joe and Steele

Trouble is I really think it is the coaching that is poor. A team has to be coached into playing confidently as a unit no matter how good the players are. Our team seems to have been coached to a standstill.

Really? Marshall taking the ball out on his try line.....kick away the ball when we have the knock on advantage straight to Newcastle......taking the man out off the ball.... im not saying the the coaching staff are blameless by taking big joe off when he was our best attacking option but we all like to go for the pick and drives when we could give it to big joe?

Yes, because when a team is misfiring that's what happens. Bad decisions beget bad decisions. No-one is on the same wavelength as anyone else.

BTW I think that the taking out off the ball was the only time I have ever seen it penalised and it happens many times per game in every bloody game.

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APigUnderEachArm 30 December, 2017 17:31
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Horticbm
The whole coaching team needs replacing, need coaches who can show success, Nick Kennedy needs to go now, be great if we can afford Mallinder. If we want to be a serious tam in the Premiership then the powers what be need to take drastic action now.
I dont know what Dr V is doing, but its not worker,We are almost certainly going to trade places with Bristol, who have sorted their team ready for 18/19 season.

10,000 supporters turned up today, to see what?,kicking ball away, dropping ball, going backwards, hats off to those people.

At least it was a close game ( not for want of trying ). The casual supporters were probably more entertained than the long suffering ones.

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Shawshank 30 December, 2017 17:53
Marshall is an utter waste of money. Creates absolutely nothing, kicks poorly and flaps around like a girl’s blouse in defence.

How can we continually starve our 2nd biggest attacking weapon (Joe) of the ball in each and every game?

The decision to sub him with Tiks with 8 mins left was utterly bizarre. He literally had nothing to do the whole game after his chase down the West Stand touchline...

I’m sorry to say that this LI back line is comfortably the worst I have ever seen in the history of the AP. At least London Welsh gave it a go most games, unlike us.

The long-suffering forwards must be totally cheesed off with them.

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MarkS 30 December, 2017 17:58
I thought It was PdP who was usually blamed but now it’s Marshall it appears

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LI Bohemian 30 December, 2017 17:59
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cjm.
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LI Bohemian
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cjm.
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LI Bohemian
This team does not deserve the support it gets, the naivety is unfathomable im not blaiming the coaching staff or the team, it's just bad all over. Put them in a big sack and hit them with a cricket bat apart from big joe and Steele

Trouble is I really think it is the coaching that is poor. A team has to be coached into playing confidently as a unit no matter how good the players are. Our team seems to have been coached to a standstill.
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Really? Marshall taking the ball out on his try line.....kick away the ball when we have the knock on advantage straight to Newcastle......taking the man out off the ball.... im not saying the the coaching staff are blameless by taking big joe off when he was our best attacking option but we all like to go for the pick and drives when we could give it to big joe?

Yes, because when a team is misfiring that's what happens. Bad decisions beget bad decisions. No-one is on the same wavelength as anyone else.

BTW I think that the taking out off the ball was the only time I have ever seen it penalised and it happens many times per game in every bloody game.

My apologies the team is misfiring so lets not blaim them lets blaim only the coaching staff it's much easier and they do it in footbee so it must be right . it's what has just happened to Northampton and now Millander is our saviour, Northampton haven't look back after that decision have they?



When the seagulls follow the trawler, it's because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea.

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London Irish 'til I die 30 December, 2017 18:25
Here's something to think about:

We've now lost 11 games in a row. As it's a 22 game season, that means we've lost half the season inside 12 games. Shocking.

Also, we haven't scored a try since the 37th minute of the Worcester game. That's 123 minutes of rugby without scoring a try. In our last four Premiership games, we've scored just four tries.

We have a points difference of -160 in the league right now. By the end of last season, we had conceded a total of 290 points. This season we've conceded 364 already...

Basically, we're heading for London Welsh territory. Bye bye, Premiership.

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olw131 30 December, 2017 18:37
Your analysis is truly groundbreaking LITID.

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APigUnderEachArm 30 December, 2017 18:48
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LI Bohemian
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cjm.
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LI Bohemian
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cjm.
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LI Bohemian
This team does not deserve the support it gets, the naivety is unfathomable im not blaiming the coaching staff or the team, it's just bad all over. Put them in a big sack and hit them with a cricket bat apart from big joe and Steele

Trouble is I really think it is the coaching that is poor. A team has to be coached into playing confidently as a unit no matter how good the players are. Our team seems to have been coached to a standstill.
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Really? Marshall taking the ball out on his try line.....kick away the ball when we have the knock on advantage straight to Newcastle......taking the man out off the ball.... im not saying the the coaching staff are blameless by taking big joe off when he was our best attacking option but we all like to go for the pick and drives when we could give it to big joe?

Yes, because when a team is misfiring that's what happens. Bad decisions beget bad decisions. No-one is on the same wavelength as anyone else.

BTW I think that the taking out off the ball was the only time I have ever seen it penalised and it happens many times per game in every bloody game.

My apologies the team is misfiring so lets not blaim them lets blaim only the coaching staff it's much easier and they do it in footbee so it must be right . it's what has just happened to Northampton and now Millander is our saviour, Northampton haven't look back after that decision have they?

What a load of misspelled straw-man nonsense.

It's only my opinion but I do think the problem is a whole team problem and that is more likely a coaching/strategy problem. In our setup, replace Marshall with Beauden Barrett and he'd probably look like he was @#$%&. The other players need to be on the same wavelength, ours aren't.

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Jamo 30 December, 2017 19:00
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Shawshank
Marshall is an utter waste of money. Creates absolutely nothing, kicks poorly and flaps around like a girl’s blouse in defence.
How can we continually starve our 2nd biggest attacking weapon (Joe) of the ball in each and every game?

The decision to sub him with Tiks with 8 mins left was utterly bizarre. He literally had nothing to do the whole game after his chase down the West Stand touchline...

I’m sorry to say that this LI back line is comfortably the worst I have ever seen in the history of the AP. At least London Welsh gave it a go most games, unlike us.

The long-suffering forwards must be totally cheesed off with them.

Agree with this. Been supporting for 12 years and this is bang on.

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SirBurger 30 December, 2017 20:29
Not sure why the forwards are immune from criticism.

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GHA 30 December, 2017 21:21
'London Irish director of rugby Nick Kennedy told BBC Radio Berkshire:

"We were much improved from last week. I'm pleased with the way the boys came out and went into the second half.

"What let us down were crucial errors at crucial times. A missed tackle on Vereniki Goneva, a missed tackle on Sonatane Takulua, a missed tackle on Kyle Cooper and they end up making big line breaks and scoring off them.

"It's still that 80 minutes of concentration and making sure we make all our tackles and not letting soft line breaks come through us.

"We were in the game in the last minutes, but we need to get our detail right and look after the ball.

"Premiership games are very close, but we need to nail out those Championship minutes at the end."'

:'(

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Nick4219 30 December, 2017 21:25
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Shawshank
Marshall is an utter waste of money. Creates absolutely nothing, kicks poorly and flaps around like a girl’s blouse in defence.
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Marshall credited with 10 tackles today and from what I watched, he did okay for a man of his size in defence.

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Margin_Walker 30 December, 2017 21:38
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SirBurger
Not sure why the forwards are immune from criticism.

Quite. Bit of a stuck record but we just don't have a dynamic pack able to carry the ball bar the odd rumble from Hoskins and increasingly rare bust from Trev. It's far harder for a backline to look good when no yards are being made up the middle.

At the end of the day we have the weakest squad of players in the league imo. When combined with an inexperienced coaching team and lack of resources we are likely to struggle as the standard in the league is higher than we seem capable of reaching on a consistent basis at the moment. It's pretty depressing all round, but hard to see a way out at the moment

Back on topic, Mallinder isn't coming here to coach in the Championship (we don't have the boat load of cash that Bristol have to make a step down attractive), so the #prayformallinder stuff is fairly tedious. And Noves? You've seen France play lately with the resources they have available GHA? If we were looking to make a change I'd be looking for someone like Lee Blackett, but even that would be a tough sell.

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APigUnderEachArm 30 December, 2017 21:55
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Shawshank
Marshall is an utter waste of money. Creates absolutely nothing, kicks poorly and flaps around like a girl’s blouse in defence.
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Marshall credited with 10 tackles today and from what I watched, he did okay for a man of his size in defence.

Agree, still rate him. My only criticism is his tendency to run too far from support and get isolated. But at least he's trying to spark something.

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LLL 30 December, 2017 23:42
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Shawshank
Marshall is an utter waste of money. Creates absolutely nothing, kicks poorly and flaps around like a girl’s blouse in defence.
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Marshall credited with 10 tackles today and from what I watched, he did okay for a man of his size in defence.

Marshall is a class above us, just as O’Connor was when the journeymen championship players we had recruited watched him and had no idea what he was doing. Light years ahead of them just as Marshall is now.

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Bazzo 30 December, 2017 23:56
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Shawshank
Marshall is an utter waste of money. Creates absolutely nothing, kicks poorly and flaps around like a girl’s blouse in defence.
How can we continually starve our 2nd biggest attacking weapon (Joe) of the ball in each and every game?

The decision to sub him with Tiks with 8 mins left was utterly bizarre. He literally had nothing to do the whole game after his chase down the West Stand touchline...

I’m sorry to say that this LI back line is comfortably the worst I have ever seen in the history of the AP. At least London Welsh gave it a go most games, unlike us.

The long-suffering forwards must be totally cheesed off with them.

You don’t half talk some Tom Kite ..... Marshall is a different class in that team and as for Your take on big Joe, I would have taken him off earlier. He does not work hard enough, he has huge potential but tackles powderpuff. He does not chase back when required and just touches the opposition gently. Joe must have the worst tackle count in the premiership, his try scoring this year has been non existent. He is a kid learning his trade in a team that can ill afford an apprentice ! Where is your usual love for Fowlie this week? He can’t tackle either, You normally slate the management for playing Tiks at any stage so maybe that’s where your going with this.

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Smudge21 31 December, 2017 10:41
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Bazzo
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Shawshank
Marshall is an utter waste of money. Creates absolutely nothing, kicks poorly and flaps around like a girl’s blouse in defence.
How can we continually starve our 2nd biggest attacking weapon (Joe) of the ball in each and every game?

The decision to sub him with Tiks with 8 mins left was utterly bizarre. He literally had nothing to do the whole game after his chase down the West Stand touchline...

I’m sorry to say that this LI back line is comfortably the worst I have ever seen in the history of the AP. At least London Welsh gave it a go most games, unlike us.

The long-suffering forwards must be totally cheesed off with them.

You don’t half talk some Tom Kite ..... Marshall is a different class in that team and as for Your take on big Joe, I would have taken him off earlier. He does not work hard enough, he has huge potential but tackles powderpuff. He does not chase back when required and just touches the opposition gently. Joe must have the worst tackle count in the premiership, his try scoring this year has been non existent. He is a kid learning his trade in a team that can ill afford an apprentice ! Where is your usual love for Fowlie this week? He can’t tackle either, You normally slate the management for playing Tiks at any stage so maybe that’s where your going with this.

Agreed about Joe, for a big man is defence is underwhelming to say the least. He needs to be more aggressive imo. Disagree about fowlie though, I thought both he and Williams were very good in defence

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paulm1953 31 December, 2017 15:58
Mr Crossan must do something about the coaching staff this week. We have 10 games remaining and we need to win at least 3 or 4 to stay up plus get a couple of LBP. This maybe enough to see Saints relegated.

I used to enjoy going to see LI play (STH for 16 to 17 years) & meet up with friends but most of these regulars in my area of Y23 have given up.

I am not sure if Malinder is the right choice but up to recently he was being touted as a potential future England coach. One thing for certain is that Ventner is not the best choice looking at how poorly Italy and South Africa are playing.

Reading the various threads most contributors on this board are looking for change sooner rather than later.

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GHA 31 December, 2017 16:39
I'm looking for change asap, fearing it may be too late

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The Sligo Rover 01 January, 2018 09:53
I agree that Marshall is a class above what we have - I love to see him run with the ball.
Big JOE - I do not know what all the fuss is about, he would not be in my starting XV.

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tigerburnie 01 January, 2018 11:13
Will be interesting at Welford Road, some of the posts on the Tigers board would lead you to believe we are in the same boat, seem to remember you won there last time out too. Hopefully we will turn up at home and finally put in a full 80 minutes for a change.

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APigUnderEachArm 01 January, 2018 11:53
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I agree that Marshall is a class above what we have - I love to see him run with the ball.
Big JOE - I do not know what all the fuss is about, he would not be in my starting XV.

He's an enigma. He scored a great try once and now we are all waiting for him to do it again :-)

Seriously, he ought to be a real threat with his speed and size but nothing's happening. Just nothing.

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Narbia 01 January, 2018 12:07
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tigerburnie
Will be interesting at Welford Road, some of the posts on the Tigers board would lead you to believe we are in the same boat, seem to remember you won there last time out too. Hopefully we will turn up at home and finally put in a full 80 minutes for a change.

The last LI win at WR was in the Brian Smith part 2 era.

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Seriously, he ought to be a real threat with his speed and size but nothing's happening. Just nothing.

Unfortunately, he's a winger that is yet to score a try this season (with 5 starts).

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Hugo.LI
Disagree about fowlie though, I thought both he and Williams were very good in defence
Yip. Both were good defensively. I thought Williams is beginning to get back to his old form as well.



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Smudge21 01 January, 2018 13:39
Speaking of cokanasiga, he's been called up to the England training camp! Big congratulations to him but has Eddie seen what our other winger can do?

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Exile_Dave 03 January, 2018 21:09
For all people wanting the coach out.

[www.therugbypaper.co.uk]



I'd rather be a Paddy than a Quin!!

C'mon the boys in Green!!



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jimbo800 03 January, 2018 21:28
That report doesn’t sway me in the least. I understand the sentiment and have always felt nic would come good given time and the correct support system. I do feel however that regardless of what gold feels, to compete, we need a backs coach. Even if was judged purely on our year in the championship, our backs were fairly poor. Other teams like Ealing showed us how to run a backline with supposedly lesser players. I would keep Nic, but he needs some help.

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GHA 03 January, 2018 21:34
The big cheese at our closest relegation rivals suggests we keep the faith with our current coaching staff? Interesting

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APigUnderEachArm 03 January, 2018 21:35
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Exile_Dave
For all people wanting the coach out.
[www.therugbypaper.co.uk]

I think it is the concept of having 3 inexperienced coaches at one time that is the problem more than just one individual. You need experienced people to learn from and we have little to none of that, so it's beginners working/learning with beginners.


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