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Just like two years ago
jimbo800 (IP Logged)
29 September, 2017 18:58
For the love of god have they learnt nothing? This is ridiculous

 
Re: Just like two years ago
Horticbm (IP Logged)
29 September, 2017 19:06
Just diabolical...amateur, clueless

 
Re: Just like two years ago
jimbo800 (IP Logged)
29 September, 2017 19:08
27 minutes gone and it's already a landslide. Backs are clueless- backs coach has no experience at this level. Defence is horrendous - coach has no experience. The unwavering optimism in the post match interviews is mind boggling. We can't skip steps in this league, get the right coaches in the right areas

 
Re: Just like two years ago
Shawshank (IP Logged)
29 September, 2017 19:10
We are utterly clueless.

It all stemmed from our own pressure on their line from a rolling maul when, absurdly, we decided to run the ball when we were steaming towards their line. Completely gormless.

Backs tacking is an acute embarrassment.

 
Re: Just like two years ago
Yeoman (IP Logged)
29 September, 2017 19:11
Falcons leading 24 - 3

 
Re: Just like two years ago
Horticbm (IP Logged)
29 September, 2017 19:12
On the last 3 games we are showing our championship level.Theres no way we can stay up playing like this.Worcs putting up a good fight at present

 
Re: Just like two years ago
Florida (IP Logged)
29 September, 2017 19:13
I think the plan is to pray worcs are worse than us and then see what happens next season. Guessing we'll be going straight back down.

 
Re: Just like two years ago
Florida (IP Logged)
29 September, 2017 19:14
13 missed tackles.

 
Re: Just like two years ago
HK Phooey (IP Logged)
29 September, 2017 19:24
Looking forward to Cornwall again next season

 
Re: Just like two years ago
Jamo (IP Logged)
29 September, 2017 19:25
Simple. We are not a Premiership standard side. Not the fault of our players. We’re just not good enough in every department.

 
Re: Just like two years ago
Shawshank (IP Logged)
29 September, 2017 19:25
Premature engagement, back-chat to refs, dropping easy high balls, missing tackles, long loopy passes. And basic knock-ons.

AND TAKE 3 POINTS WHEN YOU ARE IN FRONT OF THE POSTS IN INJURY TIME...(Sm164)

Brainless...

 
Re: Just like two years ago
Horticbm (IP Logged)
29 September, 2017 19:26
we haven't conceeded any points for 16 min..whats happened?.. Worcs 3 Sarries 13 HT

 
Re: Just like two years ago
tatthecraic2 (IP Logged)
29 September, 2017 19:29
I'm astounded by this performance it's my first watching since harelquins... we have nothing. I don't think London Welsh were even this PATHETIC and pedestrian. I wouldn't call what we are watching rugby.

Pathetic

 
Re: Just like two years ago
Horticbm (IP Logged)
29 September, 2017 19:31
Cricket on the other side is better

 
Re: Just like two years ago
bisach (IP Logged)
29 September, 2017 19:37
When did Rugby Union revert to NFl's rule of the ball just having to cross the plane of the try line?

Their try which "Sir", looking from a distance at the pitch-side screen decided had touched the try line when every camera angle showed it had been touched down before the line but the "curl" of the ball was "over the line". Not from any camera angle could I and indeed, giving no comments to that effect, neither did the TMO, see it actually touch it.

Yes, it's not affecting the result, but we could be a lot closer at HT.

 
Re: Just like two years ago
Portcullis Irish (IP Logged)
29 September, 2017 19:37
4terrible in defence and yes James Marshall you are truly a liability but we are almost are as bad in attack dreading the 2nd half

 
Re: Just like two years ago
Shawshank (IP Logged)
29 September, 2017 19:43
Marshall increasingly reminds me of Noakes.

Basically useless, never runs, and just ships the ball with dreadful distribution.

 
Re: Just like two years ago
Horticbm (IP Logged)
29 September, 2017 19:47
Sarries scored again 3-18

 
Re: Just like two years ago
HK Phooey (IP Logged)
29 September, 2017 19:49
If we were playing Sarre we would be a lot further than 15 points behind

 
Re: Just like two years ago
Shawshank (IP Logged)
29 September, 2017 19:50
This is worse than school-boy discipline.

Talking back to the ref again...?!!

 
Re: Just like two years ago
tatthecraic2 (IP Logged)
29 September, 2017 19:59
I've turned off. Maybe it's me who's unlucky and we'll win without me watching

 
Re: Just like two years ago
PV (IP Logged)
29 September, 2017 20:01
We need to stop the rot now. Bell or Tonks to 10.

We may also need a genuine top class DoR

 
Re: Just like two years ago
Shawshank (IP Logged)
29 September, 2017 20:02
How on earth did we butcher that?

And Gave up 3 turnovers in the space of 25 secsonds...

 
Re: Just like two years ago
Horticbm (IP Logged)
29 September, 2017 20:04
Might get the brochures out for next season..Cornwall and Jersey great to visit.Off to see London Irish Wild Geese tomorrow, at least its local v Tonbridge, but like Irish, or the A team they all have the same track record at present

 
Re: Just like two years ago
Horticbm (IP Logged)
29 September, 2017 20:07
Bonus point Newcastle...

 
Re: Just like two years ago
Rosscaberry (IP Logged)
29 September, 2017 20:10
"We are doomed captain Mannering. We are doomed....

 
Re: Just like two years ago
Jamo (IP Logged)
29 September, 2017 20:12
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PV
We need to stop the rot now. Bell or Tonks to 10.
We may also need a genuine top class DoR
No chance. I think we need to accept we just don’t cut it in the top flight any more.

 
Re: Just like two years ago
Shawshank (IP Logged)
29 September, 2017 20:13
Why does Steele always horribly crab across the pitch before he passes?

He gives the backs no space at all.

 
Re: Just like two years ago
Horticbm (IP Logged)
29 September, 2017 20:15
wow a try..well done that man

 
Re: Just like two years ago
HK Phooey (IP Logged)
29 September, 2017 20:17
Another try

 
Re: Just like two years ago
Horticbm (IP Logged)
29 September, 2017 20:17
3-25 Sarries

 
Re: Just like two years ago
Rosscaberry (IP Logged)
29 September, 2017 20:18
We are not doomed mr mannering. We are not doomed?

 
Re: Just like two years ago
Shawshank (IP Logged)
29 September, 2017 20:18
Bench doing an amazing job. They must all,start next week.

And finally Marshall dos something positive.

 
Re: Just like two years ago
nimblehippo (IP Logged)
29 September, 2017 20:18
can we play like its the last 20 all match - we might concede some, but we'd get a try bonus every time!

 
Re: Just like two years ago
jimbo800 (IP Logged)
29 September, 2017 20:20
Morale will sink to a point where we'll end up like we did two years ago. I don't think it's a DoR we need, it's the two coaches with him that need to be addressed. I'd try tonks at ten for a while to see how he gets on.

The club constantly promotes the 'lovely family club' image. That's for the minis and juniors, this is a business that needs success and ruthlessness, neither of which we have achieved. Stop with the stupid player interviews about how much they love the club, they'll all be wearing different jerseys next year at this rate. No one at any level in charge has experience of running or coaching a professional top flight rugby team. We have a team that can compete but it's being coached out of them. Seasoned internationals and exceptional wingers who rarely see the ball. It's far too soon for us to be this hopeless but I feel worse now than I did two years ago. Next batch of youngsters will walk out the door as well. I hate feeling that his way about a club I love

 
Re: Just like two years ago
Horticbm (IP Logged)
29 September, 2017 20:22
Sarries won....no point for Worcs

 
Re: Just like two years ago
Portcullis Irish (IP Logged)
29 September, 2017 20:23
Hallelujah some pride Well Done

 
Re: Just like two years ago
Shawshank (IP Logged)
29 September, 2017 20:30
And a grossly incompetent idiot of a ref means we are denied the chance of a LBP.

 
Re: Just like two years ago
Florida (IP Logged)
29 September, 2017 20:31
Fowlie looked bloomin good though!

 
Re: Just like two years ago
nimblehippo (IP Logged)
29 September, 2017 20:31
like footie, us minnows don't get the rub of the green when it comes to the ref's whistle! The whole not held thing irks me, because if you make to big a thing of holding him you get done for not rolling away!

 
Re: Just like two years ago
jimbo800 (IP Logged)
29 September, 2017 20:32
In the corner trying to get a LBp and Meehan gives away a penalty for chatting to the ref. The level of stupidity is mind blowing. Start with the second half team next week. The starters so far have done nothing for us. We've won the last two second halves but still come away with nothing. Saints sale and Newcastle were all games we should have taken something from but we got nothing. Can't wait for the smiling interview to follow.

 
Re: Just like two years ago
bisach (IP Logged)
29 September, 2017 20:36
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Shawshank
And a grossly incompetent idiot of a ref means we are denied the chance of a LBP.

Totally agree, fecks up a decision about "not tackled" when a player is off his feet with a London Irish player holding on the him. And then compounds the issue when Meehan gets penalised for mouthing to him.

Of course though "The referee is always right. Especially when he's totally fecked up.

 
Re: Just like two years ago
cjm. (IP Logged)
29 September, 2017 20:36
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nimblehippo
like footie, us minnows don't get the rub of the green when it comes to the ref's whistle! The whole not held thing irks me, because if you make to big a thing of holding him you get done for not rolling away!

Yes, it's ridiculous. Once you are down with a player holding you ( as opposed to breaking the tackle once downed ) that should be it. Dissent doesn't help but he had a strong point. I think they are making many changes to speed up the game but they leave far too much to interpretation.

 
Re: Just like two years ago
Margin_Walker (IP Logged)
29 September, 2017 20:37
Dont often have a moan about refs. Completely fair enough penalising Meehan for shouting at him, but what a poor call that was. Newcastle player was clearly held there and I've no idea what he was looking at to rule that he wasn't.

Glad we turned up in the second half again, but we desperately need to put a stop to these first half capitulations.

 
Re: Just like two years ago
bisach (IP Logged)
29 September, 2017 20:39
They're making decision to "speed up the game" without the officials speeding up their correct decision making.

 
Re: Just like two years ago
Ecksile (IP Logged)
29 September, 2017 20:39
Still, Gloucesters result against Sale makes us look pretty good (Sm16)

 
Re: Just like two years ago
wanderson90 (IP Logged)
29 September, 2017 20:41
What happened at the end?!

Drawing about 2 or 3 players in and then taking out yo the wings! That was happening the whole night...route 1 to Lewington or Nalaga. Too many handling errors cost us the game yet again.

On a positive note, Paulo and Fainga'a looked very good.

 
Re: Just like two years ago
cjm. (IP Logged)
29 September, 2017 20:48
Quote:
wanderson90
What happened at the end?!
Drawing about 2 or 3 players in and then taking out yo the wings! That was happening the whole night...route 1 to Lewington or Nalaga. Too many handling errors cost us the game yet again.

On a positive note, Paulo and Fainga'a looked very good.

Paulo's big but he seemed very immobile. Bit like Casey did, he seems to at most take one step forward and rely on falling over to make an extra 6'8" distance.
Yes fainga'a did look very good although not sure the hairstyle is the best for playing rugby. Pity Scott Steele is making a habit of making forward and/or loopy passes. The latter drove me to distraction.

Other biggest problem, So few players were running on to the ball, most were taking it standing 10 or 15 yards behind the gainline.

 
Re: Just like two years ago
Portcullis Irish (IP Logged)
29 September, 2017 20:50
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Florida
Fowlie looked bloomin good though!

Seconded Tonks an improvement Both replacement props did well & having given him stick have to say Marshall improved

 
Re: Just like two years ago
Florida (IP Logged)
29 September, 2017 20:51
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cjm.
Paulo's big but he seemed very immobile. Bit like Casey did, he seems to at most take one step forward and rely on falling over to make an extra 6'8" distance.
Yes fainga'a did look very good although not sure the hairstyle is the best for playing rugby. Pity Scott Steele is making a habit of making forward and/or loopy passes. The latter drove me to distraction.

Other biggest problem, So few players were running on to the ball, most were taking it standing 10 or 15 yards behind the gainline.

Mrs Florida mentioned although Paulo is massive his head and hair might be a bit too big for him and it's causing him to fall over.

 
Re: Just like two years ago
norg2072 (IP Logged)
29 September, 2017 21:07
2nd half team much better than 1st, hopefully we make some serious changes for next week. I would have Petrus on the bench as he isn't offering much and start Manasa Saulo or Lovejoy if fit.

 
Re: Just like two years ago
M51 (IP Logged)
29 September, 2017 21:15
No we are staying up...

 
Re: Just like two years ago
Rosscaberry (IP Logged)
29 September, 2017 21:22
We must be optimistic after our second half performance. We need to sort out our defence.

 
Re: Just like two years ago
Steelman (IP Logged)
29 September, 2017 21:23
first half was torture again. The second showed us as fit and with a talented squad.Falcons deserved their win,but again please one eyed reffing.our driving maul on their line,3 pens, no pen try! The third try Falcons nearly scored! Yes the not held, as he got up and crawled forward with the tacklers hands on his back. Which of course leads to the inevitable "don't you bad mouth me boy".
I actually think that we have a good enough squad to do quite well, if only the coaches
could up their performances.They have to add skills, not just send out a a smashing bunch of fit chaps.

 
Re: Just like two years ago
LI Bohemian (IP Logged)
29 September, 2017 21:24
I don't think it's at all like 2 years ago, two years ago Newcastle were struggling they managed to stay up, because we threw away our chances of survival, there is to me more desire to stay up from top to bottom in the Irish team, we may not have the knowhow or the players in certain positions at the moment but we can play.
A lot on the board said that the starting team was the strongest, I think that the centres should not contain Ticks or Williams would prefer Tonks and Hearn just to give us breathing space until Williams and Fergus are fit
Must do better, please.



Bohemiansingles@yahoo.com
631-563-9892

 
Re: Just like two years ago
Finno (IP Logged)
29 September, 2017 21:25
That was hard work, trying to keep up, here on holiday, using a mixture of bet365 graphics moving side to side, the happy clappy LI Twitter feed and The Craic for a bit of realism!

I hope the 'spirited second half display' is not used for the fourth time to avoid the truth and prevent real action and change taking place to make us competitive!

 
Re: Just like two years ago
Florida (IP Logged)
29 September, 2017 21:32
Really want to know if our second half performances are down to the opposition taking their foot off the gas or we're actually getting out stuff together

 
Re: Just like two years ago
Ozzy3213 (IP Logged)
29 September, 2017 21:36
Bit of both I suspect Florida.

 
Re: Just like two years ago
Florida (IP Logged)
29 September, 2017 21:50
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Ozzy3213
Bit of both I suspect Florida.

I think you might be right. I also think I need to stop posting during games, emotions run a little too high.

There was obviously a lot that was dreadful about that game - defence, back chatting the red and ridiculous looping passes to Lewi in the hope he might create some magic.

That said and I don't want to come across all happy clappy, but there were some encouraging signs.

They didn't give up, when it would have been easy to do so. Lewi is clearly some sort of genie. Fowlie is looking strong and quick. Hoskins looks like he'll be a real handful in the loose. McNally is doing just fine at this level. Gilly is a machine and actually has some wheels on him. Elrington is a rising star.

 
Re: Just like two years ago
Steelman (IP Logged)
29 September, 2017 21:57
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Florida
Really want to know if our second half performances are down to the opposition taking their foot off the gas or we're actually getting out stuff together

Just about all the prem sides know how to defend a 3 try advantage.Sit back, no doglegs, sweeper in behind, and await your chance for the fast counter attack.Mugs like us or Wose,will huff and puff like crazy and then cough it up. Gives us something to cheer I suppose!

 
Re: Just like two years ago
NMB (IP Logged)
29 September, 2017 22:27
It's definitely not like 2 years ago, we were really chasing something tangible for a good portion of the second half.

I don't like to criticise the ref but my blood was boiling with the not held decision, the consequences are too high for that kind of mistake to be made. So although frustrating I can understand Meehans actions.

I think in this game our better second half actually came from the bench and other players improving rather than Newcastle stepping off. Newcastle weren't able to impose themselves as we tackled harder, had more possession and were more creative. It was strange, with the game lost and the shackles off Marshall was a different player!

So there are positives to take - Meehan and the other newbies all looked good, as did fowlie which was great to see, he was strong in defence too.. tonks must play, he does everything well. We are scoring some good tries and really should trust our maul when it's going forward.

But these mean nothing if we don't improve very fast in other areas. The speed at which teams put 20+ points on us is alarming! We will not win another game this season if we don't fix this.

A mauling at Leicester probably awaits next week but I hope we can approach the whole game with the same shackles off approach as the last 20 of this one and hopefully make the opposition work harder for their points!

I remain positive after seeing that performance and saw enough to think we could stay up. We knew we would be in a scrap and will be for the whole season but at the moment we are winning it, and not just with the few meagre points we have but in performances to.

The main difference from two years ago is, in my green eyed view, we look like the team more likely to pick up the bonus points (LBP or TBP) at the moment at least...

If you got to the end of this post thank you for your stamina

 
Re: Just like two years ago
Florida (IP Logged)
29 September, 2017 22:36
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NMB
If you got to the end of this post thank you for your stamina

You're welcome, it was a good read. I'm beginning to see some signs that this team could have enough in them to stay up.

 
Re: Just like two years ago
jimbo800 (IP Logged)
29 September, 2017 22:44
We can absolutely stay up, we have the quality. This belief is what's making these results so hard to take

 
Re: Just like two years ago
LI Bohemian (IP Logged)
29 September, 2017 22:58
Just looked at the table and apart from Sarries the rest at the top of the table are teams we.'ve lost to, now the "realists" would say that's because they played us, or me being happy clapper green glasses on would say that's a tough start. Not that we haven't got a lot of hard work to survive.



Bohemiansingles@yahoo.com
631-563-9892

 
Re: Just like two years ago
Florida (IP Logged)
29 September, 2017 23:00
Not sure who said it, but in this thread is a comment about Marshall looking great when the game is effectively over and the pressure is off.

I'd like to see him back at 15, he wouldn't have the pressure of controlling the game and could play his natural game, like he did for the 'canes. I think he could be quite devastating

 
Re: Just like two years ago
Timeshock! (IP Logged)
29 September, 2017 23:03
Falcons Fan
Great second half performance from you guys, you are definitely Premiership material. You are way ahead of where we were on premiership arrival, it is perfectly understandable the ball handling errors in the last few yards before the finishing line. Just patient building, get behind your team the confidence will come.

 
Re: Just like two years ago
Florida (IP Logged)
29 September, 2017 23:13
Quote:
Timeshock!
Falcons Fan
Great second half performance from you guys, you are definitely Premiership material. You are way ahead of where we were on premiership arrival, it is perfectly understandable the ball handling errors in the last few yards before the finishing line. Just patient building, get behind your team the confidence will come.

Thanks. I think you're probably right. Took a lot of hope from the comments before the game re you guys doing so well as you've built up great mental resilience over the last three seasons. I think if we can survive this one we can do similar.

 
Re: Just like two years ago
Horticbm (IP Logged)
30 September, 2017 07:10
At the end of the day, its about money, to get the money you have to win, when you win, you accumulate more support, which in turn brings in more money and buys great players which achieves more success ( hey the joy of capitalism).Last week v Northampton, our first game at Madjeski this season, we only had just over 5,000,poor but shows where we are, I remember this fixture pulling in 8-10,000 in previous years.

We have no pre match music, atmosphere is sterile, we have seemed to have lost the "Irishness" of the club, Fields of Athenry is subdued and the performances are consistantly bad, our "Internationals" bar Mr Cowan are excess to requirements and have had their day, we do have great players like Lewington how long he will stay is a question.No wonder we are where we are.

I'm not coming to the Leics game, have followed the club since the 70's and just bored senseless with our poor performance, if we were a retail shop we would be closed.

Am bore with this PR about the family values etc, doesn't win games (Sarries have sussed that one out..called success)..I like many have grave doubts about our survival

 
Re: Just like two years ago
Steelman (IP Logged)
30 September, 2017 08:14
Quote:
Horticbm
At the end of the day, its about money, to get the money you have to win, when you win, you accumulate more support, which in turn brings in more money and buys great players which achieves more success ( hey the joy of capitalism).Last week v Northampton, our first game at Madjeski this season, we only had just over 5,000,poor but shows where we are, I remember this fixture pulling in 8-10,000 in previous years.
We have no pre match music, atmosphere is sterile, we have seemed to have lost the "Irishness" of the club, Fields of Athenry is subdued and the performances are consistantly bad, our "Internationals" bar Mr Cowan are excess to requirements and have had their day, we do have great players like Lewington how long he will stay is a question.No wonder we are where we are.

I'm not coming to the Leics game, have followed the club since the 70's and just bored senseless with our poor performance, if we were a retail shop we would be closed.

Am bore with this PR about the family values etc, doesn't win games (Sarries have sussed that one out..called success)..I like many have grave doubts about our survival

Oh come on now, it's Saturday,tell the missus you didn't mean those things you said,pick yer cat out of the tree, have a cupa and a bacon butty,take a couple of yah uppers and just forget wot happened last night.See you at Less next week.

 
Re: Just like two years ago
paulm1953 (IP Logged)
30 September, 2017 08:29
Entertainment at LI home games is awful. I usually go for a walk at half time as I can't stand that stupid game pushing large rugby balls. LI should organise live music or Irish dancers or something original. This is not a pop at our current MC who tries hard.



Come on you Irish

Paul

 
Re: Just like two years ago
Shawshank (IP Logged)
30 September, 2017 08:44
Why can't they have a kicking competition at half time with the mini-rugby sides that come along as the Guard Of Honour?

Say 6 lads from each team have 2 kicks each from varying positions and the 2 highest scoring teams throughout the season play a 'grand final' during HT in the last home game of the season.

Surely this would be more interesting than the thin gruel served up currently...?

 
Re: Just like two years ago
pityacker (IP Logged)
30 September, 2017 08:51
Falcons fan in peace , after a first half where Falcons were very good and Irish looked nervous and making mistakes the final 25 minutes or so Irish played some eye opening stuff , a forward pass cost you what should have been a nice try and without two try saving moments by my man of the match Goneva Irish could have turned the game on its head. You have some good players and look far too good to go down , all the best for the rest of the season.

 
Re: Just like two years ago
cjm. (IP Logged)
30 September, 2017 09:20
Quote:
paulm1953
Entertainment at LI home games is awful. I usually go for a walk at half time as I can't stand that stupid game pushing large rugby balls. LI should organise live music or Irish dancers or something original. This is not a pop at our current MC who tries hard.

True, the entertainment should be the rugby with a 10 minute break between halves to catch our breath, have a pee and buy a beer. That said, little games of mini-rugby are probably a very good experience for those taking part if not the crowd.

 
Re: Just like two years ago
NMB (IP Logged)
30 September, 2017 09:38
Prediction time - by Christmas we will have better entertainment, bigger crowds and be financially viable...

 
Re: Just like two years ago
SirBurger (IP Logged)
30 September, 2017 11:43
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NMB
Prediction time - by Christmas we will have better entertainment, bigger crowds and be financially viable...

Why do you think this?

 
Re: Just like two years ago
Portcullis Irish (IP Logged)
30 September, 2017 17:29
Quote:
pityacker
Falcons fan in peace , after a first half where Falcons were very good and Irish looked nervous and making mistakes the final 25 minutes or so Irish played some eye opening stuff , a forward pass cost you what should have been a nice try and without two try saving moments by my man of the match Goneva Irish could have turned the game on its head. You have some good players and look far too good to go down , all the best for the rest of the season.

Thank you.
If we play for 80 mins like the second half vs you then we can survive
Your progression a great advert for slow and steady progress with nucleus home grown players & sprinkling of stars All the best

 
Re: Just like two years ago
tonyh50 (IP Logged)
30 September, 2017 17:55
At least this year we have 5 more points before Christmas than we did two years ago?
Secure a couple of LBP's and beat then Worcs just before Christmas and we'll be looking much better than two years ago.(Sm42)

 
Re: Just like two years ago
Bazzo (IP Logged)
30 September, 2017 20:38
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Shawshank
Marshall increasingly reminds me of Noakes.
Basically useless, never runs, and just ships the ball with dreadful distribution.

Never runs....... dreadful distribution........ Marshall? You on the drink? If you believe that you are deluded.

 
Re: Just like two years ago
Bazzo (IP Logged)
30 September, 2017 20:44
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NMB
Prediction time - by Christmas we will have better entertainment, bigger crowds and be financially viable...

Daniel O'Donnell investing then?

 
Re: Just like two years ago
paddym (IP Logged)
30 September, 2017 22:14
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Horticbm
Might get the brochures out for next season..Cornwall and Jersey great to visit.Off to see London Irish Wild Geese tomorrow, at least its local v Tonbridge, but like Irish, or the A team they all have the same track record at present

Not any more! Great performance from Geese today to pick up an away win and try bonus point.

 
Re: Just like two years ago
Finno (IP Logged)
01 October, 2017 08:34
I watched it last night after returning from holiday, and was expecting a horror show after reviewing the comments here!

But we actually competed really well for all but that 10 mins of madness in the first half when we shipped those three tries. I think, being able to look at it objectively after the fact, has led me to believe there is nothing terminal wrong and actually a lot of it looks really good, and was an improvement on both the Sale and Chiefs games that I attended. What needs fixing is in the head(i.e. application and concentration) not a skills or quality issue.

I'm looking forward to seeing us give Tigers a bloody good run for their money next Sat!

...and No, I'm not part of the 'green eyed, happy clappy, Irish can do no wrong' brigade!, as people who know my posts can attest to. I just honestly believe we can turn this around and survive.

 
Re: Just like two years ago
Ajax Treesdown (IP Logged)
01 October, 2017 17:22
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Finno
I watched it last night after returning from holiday, and was expecting a horror show after reviewing the comments here!
But we actually competed really well for all but that 10 mins of madness in the first half when we shipped those three tries. I think, being able to look at it objectively after the fact, has led me to believe there is nothing terminal wrong and actually a lot of it looks really good, and was an improvement on both the Sale and Chiefs games that I attended. What needs fixing is in the head(i.e. application and concentration) not a skills or quality issue.

I'm looking forward to seeing us give Tigers a bloody good run for their money next Sat!

...and No, I'm not part of the 'green eyed, happy clappy, Irish can do no wrong' brigade!, as people who know my posts can attest to. I just honestly believe we can turn this around and survive.

The same Tigers who just beat the reigning premiership champions - who also stuffed us a few weeks ago?

Righto.

 
Re: Just like two years ago
Horticbm (IP Logged)
01 October, 2017 17:40
I was at the Geese match yesterday, 23-23 with 15 mins to go..great to see the team playing with ball in hand against the Juddians consistant box kicking which cost them the game.The JUddians had the lion share of the ball and scored most of their points from penalties, but the Geese running game and ball handling was decisive and shut down the Juddians running game..well done and a great match to watch on a wet day

 
Re: Just like two years ago
Florida (IP Logged)
01 October, 2017 18:20
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The same Tigers who just beat the reigning premiership champions - who also stuffed us a few weeks ago?

Righto.

The same reigning champs who lost to Glaws who in turn lost to Quins who lost to us. Anything is possible in this league right now, admittedly us getting another win next week will be a long shot.

 
Re: Just like two years ago
old school (IP Logged)
01 October, 2017 18:34
#honk

All Three adult amateur sides won this weekend!!!

 
Re: Just like two years ago
Ozzy3213 (IP Logged)
02 October, 2017 09:19
I'm in agreement with Finno. Whilst there are areas that clearly need addressing we did some good things on Friday night and we need to be very careful about throwing the baby out with the bathwater.

Our two major issues that I can see are that when other teams have their dominant spell in games (as every team does) we struggle to limit them points wise, and counter to that, when we have our dominant spell, we are not clinical enough.

For twenty minutes on Friday night we dominated possession and territory and sored 3 points, Falcons then got on top and scored 21 in about 5 minutes. We then got back on top and just before half time coughed up decent ball near their try line again.

That was very similar to the Sale game, where at 17-0 down we are banging away at their line, and with a bit of composure get the game to 17-7, instead we cough it up and Solomona goes the length of the field to make it 24-0.

Small margins in terms of actual errors but they can make huge differences to the scoreline.

Some basics do need working on, but as Finno said above, some of it looks to be a mental thing, as we completely lost our heads for that 10 minutes where Falcons won the game. Sort that out and we will be a lot closer to a lot of teams, we are not as bad a side as some of our results might suggest.

 
Re: Just like two years ago
jimbo800 (IP Logged)
02 October, 2017 09:28
I agree with the thoughts that we're competitive and can hold out own in this league. What's driving me and probably others....INSANE, is how easy we make it for other teams to score. Newcastle was atrocious defending, three players going for one player who still managed to offload to someone. We have sorely missed our defensive rocks in fergus and coman. They controlled everything in the backs and forwards.
I still feel this is down to lack of decent coaching. They can all tackle, the set up and plan is what's non existent. Danaher ran through brick walls as a player but that doesn't make him a good coach. When the cameras went to the coaches box during the game, there was no cohesion or chat to attempt to solve this or send a message across. Skivington is a natural leader and winner, it showed when we went to pot and he refused to talk to BT, his focus was purely on the team. He has a winning mentality, something that the club culture is missing.

 
Re: Just like two years ago
Ozzy3213 (IP Logged)
02 October, 2017 09:41
I can't agree that the set up and plan is non existent jimbo. You can see the intent, it's the same as it was in the Championship, to target the ball and try to disrupt. the only problem is that it is not working as it did in the Championship where opponents skill levels were lower and they couldn't get the ball away with us targeting it.

This year, teams are able to offload still and once we then miss the tackle we are struggling to recover, whereas last year if we missed our superior fitness/pace etc meant we could scramble and still get back in.

The system needs tweaking for sure, and I am in agreement that he coaches need to now show what they have and really earn their corn in this regard.

 
Re: Just like two years ago
fatlad76 (IP Logged)
02 October, 2017 09:54
Ozzy's point is exactly my main gripe.
We look like we are always tackling to rip even when one on one.
Yes it worked well last year but this the oppo are better at holding on and the action of the tackle is easier to bounce off so we end up missing the tackle and then the next.
The role of the first player in the contact should be to stop the advance the second is to rip.
Easy to fix isnt it?

 
Re: Just like two years ago
jimbo800 (IP Logged)
02 October, 2017 09:58
Surely that shows the probem. We had one way of defending in the championship, which wasn't changed to suit the prem. there isn't one way to defend in this league, defence coach should be watching game tapes in preparation. The first chance socino got, he ran straight the middle. We've shipped Try bonus points pretty much every game, thus doesn't need tweaking it needs completely overhauling. Our attack can't make up for the lack of defence. Too much to do in reply causing pressure and mistakes.

 
Re: Just like two years ago
Ozzy3213 (IP Logged)
02 October, 2017 10:11
The plan may need overhauling Jimbo, or it may need something somewhere between tweaking and overhauling, that's for the coaches to decide. My point really was that your assertion that there was no plan or set up was not true, as there clearly is, it's just not working very well, I am sure we all agree on that.

 
Re: Just like two years ago
GHA (IP Logged)
02 October, 2017 10:42
So our plan was 'do what we did in the Championship against weaker sides and hope it works?'

 
Re: Just like two years ago
Rosscaberry (IP Logged)
02 October, 2017 10:56
Yes we are struggling & it is worrying but we are on a steep learning curve. I think the premiership is more competitive than ever. It seems anybody can beat anybody. It is essential that, as supporters, we give the team our full vociferous support. Confidence enables players to perform & a lack of confidence creates negativity. Our coaches are under enormous pressure to produce a winning team. Now is not the time to debate wether they are good enough. No I am not a one eyed green supporter. Our realistic aim this season is to finish 11th. At the moment we are meeting our target.

 
Re: Just like two years ago
Bazzo (IP Logged)
02 October, 2017 11:12
We are way more competitive than we were two years ago. We have better strength in depth. It will be tested and we might do down, who knows. I am also not a one eyed green supporter, but neither am I a doom and gloom merchant that is the majority on here. The coaches deserved a shot at the premiership, they did a great job last year under the guidance of BV, what they need is support. Do people honestly believe that we thought the plan was to play as we did in the Championship? That the coaches did not know it was a massive step up in class? Can't believe what I read on here at times.

Within our means financially we have brought in some good players, never good enough but how do we know what our limits are? The signing of big Joe today was a great statement of intent and brilliant news.

Our tackling (bar the Quins game) has been rubbish and cost us dearly but we have a long way to go yet. The Warriors games will be crucial and high pressure. Personally, I am fairly new to the club but would honestly not mind if we went down. I enjoyed last year and first past the post would make it more relaxing. Bristol should have lost yesterday to Ealing but they will come up with the bottomless pit of money to spend. We might be better off down there next year.

 
Re: Just like two years ago
fatlad76 (IP Logged)
02 October, 2017 11:38
I am certainly not doom and gloom and we are definitely in a better place than we were two years ago.
I have faith in the coaches to learn and last year in the lesser pressure environment was a great place to start but this is up a level and they hopefully will adjust unlike Mr Coventry.
On the field if we adjust the tackling to address the player more. Dont attack from so deep I can then not see a difference from us and eveyone else. So ever hopeful.
I beleive our new recruits are potentially much better than the past but realisitically we have ony seen two of them so far. Ever hopeful and we need to stay up to build on last year. Being a ping pong club would not generate the required improvement but was benficial for us last year only and not continuously.

 
Re: Just like two years ago
jimbo800 (IP Logged)
02 October, 2017 11:38
I don't for a second believe that the coaches thought championship ideas could get them by. They know what challenges they have. When watching the falcons game, there were scores where we weren't overrun at al but still conceded, we almost made the overlaps for them by making poor choices in who to target.

I believe the negativity here is actually a positive thing. We're getting annoyed and venting because we know we belong here and can manage, little by little. Unlike Welsh who were out of their depth day one. There are areas that a concern at the moment and it's not because of the change in quality of opponents, it's just poor decisions that are having a knock on affect for the rest of the games. We'll have a solid game at some point where we click from kick off and make teams work. We just need it soon before warriors get a win otherwise it's pressure back on us. Can we also stop kicking so deep on restarts, no pressure exerted, waste of a chase

I love rugby, I also hate it. Why do we do this to ourselves.

 
Re: Just like two years ago
tatthecraic2 (IP Logged)
02 October, 2017 14:29
Maybe I am a doomsayer but considering I play a very!! low level of rugby and see better decision being made by project managers and mechanics on a rugby pitch than my beloved London Irish is infuriating. (Appreciate the difference in level but it's all relative if youre playing to your ability)

It's the compounding of errors. And I find it hard to understand that players who have come from winning environments I.e. Nalaga - Clermont. Du Plessis - saracens marshall - fringes of All blacks, Bell from Leicester and we're still having big issues with decision making.

How are we suddenly forgetting to press in defense? How are we making stupid offloads, how are we being lethargic in the kick chase (when there is a good kick)

Individually on paper we look like a very capable team. But we're found lacking every week.

 
Re: Just like two years ago
Shawshank (IP Logged)
02 October, 2017 17:27
Maybe Ozzy the Oracle can tell us mere mortals why we have seemingly abandoned our main attacking weapon from last year, that scored more tries than anyone - the rolling maul from line out 5m out...?

In all 5 games this season we have oppo on toast from said line out, are steaming quite nicely towards the try line, and then the 9 plays the ball to the backs. Usually disastrously...(Sm164)

 
Re: Just like two years ago
Margin_Walker (IP Logged)
02 October, 2017 18:23
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Shawshank
Maybe Ozzy the Oracle can tell us mere mortals why we have seemingly abandoned our main attacking weapon from last year, that scored more tries than anyone - the rolling maul from line out 5m out...?
In all 5 games this season we have oppo on toast from said line out, are steaming quite nicely towards the try line, and then the 9 plays the ball to the backs. Usually disastrously...(Sm164)

Not sure what games you've been watching, but It's been noticeably harder this year (understandably) to get a proper shunt on. Can't think of any times we've been steaming towards the line when the 9 has cleared the ball.

 
Re: Just like two years ago
Nick4219 (IP Logged)
02 October, 2017 18:46
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Shawshank
Maybe Ozzy the Oracle can tell us mere mortals why we have seemingly abandoned our main attacking weapon from last year, that scored more tries than anyone - the rolling maul from line out 5m out...?
In all 5 games this season we have oppo on toast from said line out, are steaming quite nicely towards the try line, and then the 9 plays the ball to the backs. Usually disastrously...(Sm164)

I disagree that our rolling maul has been as effective as you seem to think. The ball has been sent out to the backs because the drive has been halted and the referees have called "use it".

We also don't have George Robson any more who was highly influential in this tactic in the Championship.

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