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I知 losing the will to live.
Jamo (IP Logged)
07 October, 2017 15:03
Second thoughts, just lost it.

 
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Heaf (IP Logged)
07 October, 2017 15:05
Defence all over the place again ... although Tigers should have been pinged in the build up for the first try for an obvious in at the side to clear a ruck ...

 
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jimbo800 (IP Logged)
07 October, 2017 15:12
When you have no momentum, you'll never get the decision. They need to slow it down, if that's possible. Tigers are running it from everywhere

 
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Yeoman (IP Logged)
07 October, 2017 15:16
0 - 14 Tigers

 
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Jamo (IP Logged)
07 October, 2017 15:16
I知 sat a couple of rows from the front. We don稚 look anywhere near as fit as Tigers & our defence is shocking.

 
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Florida (IP Logged)
07 October, 2017 15:21
Worcs are leading bath too, hurrah.

To the Championship, post haste!

 
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jimbo800 (IP Logged)
07 October, 2017 15:29
Someone tell Meehan to stop kicking it so far, it's basically a turnover. It's killing us

 
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Yeoman (IP Logged)
07 October, 2017 15:35
HT 3 - 14

 
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jimbo800 (IP Logged)
07 October, 2017 15:37
We keep panicking. Ojo going from the base of the ruck, madness when we have a man over in the backs. 14-10 is a much better score

 
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Heaf (IP Logged)
07 October, 2017 15:44
Should have had a couple of tries and messed them both up - will stand no chance if we keep missing these opportunities

 
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Heaf (IP Logged)
07 October, 2017 15:52
Tiks again - why didn't Fowlie start???

 
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COYExiles (IP Logged)
07 October, 2017 16:06
Try to Cowan!!!! 13-21

 
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Yeoman (IP Logged)
07 October, 2017 16:07
Try Cowan. Converted. 13 - 21

 
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Florida (IP Logged)
07 October, 2017 16:10
With 25% of the season done and no signs of improvement or an ability to tackle. At which point do we signal panic stations?

 
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COYExiles (IP Logged)
07 October, 2017 16:14
Try by May 😩 13-28 after 63 minutes

 
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Cornish boy (IP Logged)
07 October, 2017 16:17
Thankfully we have world class training facilities.

 
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cjm. (IP Logged)
07 October, 2017 16:19
Two things wrong with that try. Two Leicester players in at the side of the ruck nothing said. Pass for try was forward not even a hint of TMO.

We are defensively atrocious but still....

 
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COYExiles (IP Logged)
07 October, 2017 16:20
Paicey runs over the line, Bell converts 20-28. COYI

 
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Heaf (IP Logged)
07 October, 2017 16:22
Player in the side of the ruck before their first try too ... seems JP doesn't mind them doing that ...

 
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cjm. (IP Logged)
07 October, 2017 16:23
Critical missed tackles aside this is an improvement.

 
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cjm. (IP Logged)
07 October, 2017 16:25
Cowan MOTM again, obviously.

 
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COYExiles (IP Logged)
07 October, 2017 16:36
Alex try at FT!!!!!!!!!! Bell converts 27-28. LBP

 
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Heaf (IP Logged)
07 October, 2017 16:42
Shame JP didn't spot the in at the sides and the forward pass before their tries ...

 
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Alphacat (IP Logged)
07 October, 2017 16:47
Positives: We can play
Negatives: Not in the first half



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 07/10/2017 17:28 by Alphacat.

 
Re: I知 losing the will to live.
Heaf (IP Logged)
07 October, 2017 16:49
Still puzzled over Fowlie not starting ... Tiks defence was terrible again.

 
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jimbo800 (IP Logged)
07 October, 2017 16:52
Feels like a win. We have to kick on now, another point on the board. I'm usually full of helpful suggestions but I have no idea what to say about the awful starts.
Great to see that at the end, they played for each other and made it work. Got to be a boost for the next prem game. Maybe with the euro break they can work on the poor starts.
On a more worrying issue, I watched it on TV and whenever the camera went to Lewi, he looked miserable and annoyed. Even after the score he didn't look happy. Hopefully it's down to his desire to win wearing green, and not a feeling of being sick of being part of losing team again.

Come on Irish, the skill and desire are there. Let's get Ferg back and shore up some of the holes. Fowlie proving himself to be very lively again

 
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Horticbm (IP Logged)
07 October, 2017 17:03
Wasnt surprised at losing the game, was surprised with our fight back, great stuff and great that Worcs lost and getting the bonus point. I just cannot understand why we gave so many penalties away in a short spell..4 to be precise. I respect the ref, have no respect for Wayne Barnes as he kills games, ref has to make a decision right or wrong, but why self destruct??

hats off to the team, well done, if we can play like we did in the second half we will be half safe in the Premiership

 
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Micky T (IP Logged)
07 October, 2017 17:41
Just recovered from watching this on bt .didn't go today .to far to travel from deal when it's live on the telly .and glad after witnessing the first 20 .we got back in to it in the second half and it was a gutsy performance to get a losing bonus point.I think going forward were a better side than we were last time in the premiership.but playing crazy in defence.tiks is an absolute liability .never a centre has to be dropped.fowlie 10 times a better option .don't know what Kennedys thinking is there .franks had a bloody mare.he's a top player .but his head is not in it at the mobet not many alternatives due injurys.made a lot of mistakes.deplessis did better.pacy had a good one .and lasha and hoskins and Paulo did really well when coming on as did steel .made a difference.meahan was a bit predictable in his play at times.Cowans .well he allways puts a good shift in.it was a good game to watch .but we have to learn and tiks has to go must go I think we will be a lot better for his absence .that bad.bleed greeeen .

 
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Shawshank (IP Logged)
07 October, 2017 17:57
Big Ben and PDP have both been pretty disappointing this season. No dominance at scrum time and very little contribution around the paddock.

The team has looked much better, and much more dynamic when, the forward replacements come on.

Olly Hoskins and Big Paulo must start our next AP match.

If the dire Mr T is selected again for the team I will lose a lot of respect for the coaches.

 
Re: I知 losing the will to live.
07 October, 2017 18:01
Fowlie is surprisingly consistent. He痴 a must-start next week against Edinburgh and I think we might be able to get a result. Super Rugby can have Meehan back, as he痴 clearly not suitable for Prem rugby. I致e no doubts about his quality, but seriously he痴 not ready for the prem. Tiks was a real let down.

Looking forward to getting a result next Saturday.

 
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Shawshank (IP Logged)
07 October, 2017 18:13
I thought Meehan was very good for his debut.

He has a lovely long, crisp pass and his tackling was excellent. He also got to the breakdown quickly.

A few box kicks went too far, but I couldn't fault him otherwise.

When Scott came on he again crabbed far too much acros the pitch.

 
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M51 (IP Logged)
07 October, 2017 18:21
I was at the game and was extremely proud of the team. Yes tackles and passes were missed and turnovers were coughed up like there was no tomorrow. I thought JP had a good game (offsides and in from the side will always be missed unless the TMO and assistants are up for reporting it). Tiks looked out of position, the scrum creaked early on. But apart from that and the slow start from Irish, it was a game they could have won. They played hard for the full 80 and its looking good for the future. COYI..

 
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Portcullis Irish (IP Logged)
07 October, 2017 18:47
Christmas what a roller coaster Half full onwards & upwards.
Coaches need to be braver in selection and drop players who arent playing well regardless of reputation
On the other hand Cowan McNally for his tackling Lewi Tops Tonks and again the bench all did tte business.

 
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Finno (IP Logged)
07 October, 2017 18:48
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Shawshank
I thought Meehan was very good for his debut.
He has a lovely long, crisp pass and his tackling was excellent. He also got to the breakdown quickly.

A few box kicks went too far, but I couldn't fault him otherwise.

When Scott came on he again crabbed far too much acros the pitch.

Agreed...

 
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norg2072 (IP Logged)
07 October, 2017 18:52
At the game as always, and actually I came away from this game more positive than ever!

Agreed BFF is out of position, and is quite unstable in the scrum
Agreed PDP should not be starting, I wouldn't play him based on last 3 performances as he is offering little
Can't wait for Manasa and Reid to be available
Restarts are predictable EVERYONE to the same area for the entire season, even the BT commentators mentioned we need to mix it up
Our 2nd penalty should have been a kick to the corner not kicked, we have a great maul why not use it - bad decision. A try and we would have won today!
We break our line all too often, and in the 1st half we were continually slow to come up
Our guards are out of position
Our backs come in narrow giving the opposition room to go round us every week

But in the 2nd half there was real desire, the tempo increased, and a belief spread across the team that we could win. Some great individual performances but my MOTM would go to Josh McNally.

Today was a much better performance than most despondent writers think - it will come good!

 
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paulm1953 (IP Logged)
07 October, 2017 18:56
I am surprised that no one has mentioned Topsy Ojo so far in this thread. He was brilliant both in defence and attack. He is having a great season.



Come on you Irish

Paul

 
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jimbo800 (IP Logged)
07 October, 2017 19:18
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I am surprised that no one has mentioned Topsy Ojo so far in this thread. He was brilliant both in defence and attack. He is having a great season.

Agreed, a far cry from two seasons ago. Showed himself to be an absolute pro and a calm head yet again today.
Mcnally gets MoM for me, he was brilliant, not only that, he was brilliant whilst playing out of position. It's tough being his height and playing flanker. I'd almost like to see him at second row and give Northcote Green a run, purely because mcnally can't get around as quickly as someone like Northcote Green. We're losing speed in defence due to having three second rows.

For a team with a kicking coach like Hodgson, our kicking game is poor at best. Meehan box kicked aimlessly and restarts are absolute shi.....te. Letting the opposition set themselves for easy route out of their 22. With big Joe we have to mix it up to allow the chase.

Plenty positives but th first ten minutes in the beginning have got to change. We can't play that well and keep losing, the players won't stay positive forever.

Another win is close I think, maybe some euro rugby will ease in some other player options

 
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Margin_Walker (IP Logged)
07 October, 2017 19:38
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Shawshank
I thought Meehan was very good for his debut.
He has a lovely long, crisp pass and his tackling was excellent. He also got to the breakdown quickly.

A few box kicks went too far, but I couldn't fault him otherwise.

When Scott came on he again crabbed far too much acros the pitch.

Agreed...

Didn't see it that way myself. Meehan was okay, but the only notable thing he did was send every box kick too far beyond the chasers. Think he'll be pretty decent overall for us though.

Thought we looked more threatening with Steele on. Scored all three tries with him on the pitch, box kicks were on the money and didn't miss a tackle, including a fantastic cover tackle on May(iirc).

McNally MOM for me. Great shift from him in attack and defence.

Will rotate now anyway for Europe, but I doubt (hope) we'll see Tiks at 13 too much more in the AP this season. Not all his fault, but there were some big holes out there.

 
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fatheralice (IP Logged)
07 October, 2017 20:09
heard a stat on BT today saying LI were something like 12-108 down at half time cumulatively this season.

Incredible!

Whatever the reason, it suggests that pre-match needs to be looked at by the coaches.

 
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Hugo.LI (IP Logged)
07 October, 2017 20:13
I'm going to rewatch the game on T.V as being at the game I probably missed a lot of things! But my thoughts for what they are worth....
Mcnally is a proper unit but has to play lock not flanker, on form I'd have de chaves drop to the bench.
Meehan went okay and had a couple of bright moment, his kicking will improve but Scott was good when he came on
Tiks has to be dropped, Fowlie remarkably improved us at 13
BBF and Petrus are too slow in my opinion and have been disappointing this year, Elrington and especially Hoskins were very good
Leicester got away with a lot of things from the ref but more than deserved the win based on the first half, we were lucky to still be in the game
Overall some positive signs and I feel a win could be coming....

 
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HK Phooey (IP Logged)
07 October, 2017 20:45
Thought we were lucky in that Leicester could have had a couple more tries from some of their breaks in the first half. Some poor decisions by them and good tackling certainly prevented them from having a BP

 
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Micky T (IP Logged)
07 October, 2017 21:03
I thought meahan was ok couple of grubber passes in the first half which lead to losing posesion. I just thought the team looked more settled when Scot came on we just seemed to flow better.

 
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Steelman (IP Logged)
07 October, 2017 23:04
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paulm1953
I am surprised that no one has mentioned Topsy Ojo so far in this thread. He was brilliant both in defence and attack. He is having a great season.

Happy to agree with this,dunno wot he's taking but I wish he'd share it
With our starting props,who became manikins in open play.

 
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Robs (IP Logged)
08 October, 2017 00:19
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Heaf
Shame JP didn't spot the in at the sides and the forward pass before their tries ...
Newcastle fan in peace
Couldn't believe Mays try on 62 minutes Big forward pass .Amazed the tmo
and the commentators failed to pick up on it. The Leics inside centre delivers the pass on the 22 and May collects at least 1 metre inside
Absolutely shocking
You've been robbed my friends

 
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Heaf (IP Logged)
08 October, 2017 01:07
To be fair to Austin H he did comment on it and said that he thought it was forwards ...

 
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bisach (IP Logged)
08 October, 2017 07:16
David Rose as TMO. Why, because he's not good enough to be on on-pitch official? Well neither were the two muppets running the lines today.

Until the officials are actually TOLD they are rubbish, the mistakes will continue to happen.

They are NOT Gods, they are men who make mistakes and should BE TOLD. None of this "the officals are always right". That's OK for on the pitch during play but ...

 
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Nick4219 (IP Logged)
08 October, 2017 07:33
It's quite tiresome the continual need to try and blame the ref for our losses and it is absolutely pointless banging on about it during and after the games as it will never change anything. No doubt some Tigers fans will have points to argue about some of the decisions that went against them, but, as fans, screaming at the ref is not going to change that.

The performances in the first quarter are what's costing us these games be it down to team selection or just that the players need something to fire them up from the first kick. When we work out what that spark is, we should see a lot more closer games.

Tiks is out of position due to injuries so I think the criticism is a bit unfair and it's nonsense to suggest he can't tackle because he can.

McNally has grown in the last 2 games and really hope his controlled mean streak develops further and he sits down a lot more of the opposition like yesterday's hit.

Overall I feel the performances are improving and I don't think wholesale changes are required and could be counter productive.

 
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Jamo (IP Logged)
08 October, 2017 07:38
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It's quite tiresome the continual need to try and blame the ref for our losses and it is absolutely pointless banging on about it during and after the games as it will never change anything. No doubt some Tigers fans will have points to argue about some of the decisions that went against them, but, as fans, screaming at the ref is not going to change that.
The performances in the first quarter are what's costing us these games be it down to team selection or just that the players need something to fire them up from the first kick. When we work out what that spark is, we should see a lot more closer games.

Tiks is out of position due to injuries so I think the criticism is a bit unfair and it's nonsense to suggest he can't tackle because he can.

McNally has grown in the last 2 games and really hope his controlled mean streak develops further and he sits down a lot more of the opposition like yesterday's hit.

Overall I feel the performances are improving and I don't think wholesale changes are required and could be counter productive.

I agree with all of that. Particularly the need to get in the mindset in the first quarter. It痴 so frustrating.

 
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paulm1953 (IP Logged)
08 October, 2017 08:25
Another thing that needs to be addressed is James Marshall's kicking from hand at restarts as he is kicking the ball too far. In the first half we could have had U. Bolt in the team and he wouldn't have got near any of Marshall's kicks,

The good news is he improved in the second half.

Looking forward to seeing TBC play against Edinburgh in the Euro Challenge Cup.



Come on you Irish

Paul

 
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millhillexile (IP Logged)
08 October, 2017 09:12
Call me mad but I really enjoyed yesterday's game and as bad as we were in the first half we were still in the game at half time.They scored a try in the 1st few minutes that will have totally rocked the team and that early try in the 2nd half would have killed off most teams. Look at the opposition Cole,Ford,May et al.A top team. But our boys wouldn't lie down and have a collective team spirit. Some of the issues mentioned by others can be ironed out. Jimmys kicks offs are too deep but some of his kicks in play were great and his runs and disguised pass give us go forward. Ben Meehans box kicks were too far but again more practice and game time will help.Our defensive line looked ragged at times and we are susceptible to counter attack with Scott making a try saving tackle. All of this can be remedied.Do we have time. Yes. Are we improving. Yes. Not quickly. But there is definitely improvement. Maybe the 2 young props start and we swap that around. Fowlie in at centre as he impresses and that's nothing against Tiks he just needs to come out of the firing line. McNally has had a run and showing well,same with Tonks. So no wholesale changes just tweeking and coaching. And yes I do wear green tinted glasses. Keep it going Irish.

 
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GHA (IP Logged)
08 October, 2017 09:44
Spot on Nick

Shame some people are quick to blame the referee for one mistake but silent on an Irish player's one missed tackle or one knock on or one sloppy pass

Onwards and upwards, but we can't keep saying 'we know what we need to work on' every week. We'll start running out of games

COYI

 
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jimbo800 (IP Logged)
08 October, 2017 09:56
Let Skivs give the pre game talk next time, he doesn't strike me as someone who feels the need to be constantly optimistic. He'll tell the players exactly what's needed and that anything less than that isn't good enough. All the players said he was a great motivator when he was captain. The players need some of that motivation more than ever

 
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Steelman (IP Logged)
08 October, 2017 10:01
Yes,and the coaches need to quickly improve. Coach in charge of set piece, can take a small bow, that seems solid or even better after substitutions.Fitness coach,yep the boys have got the stamina bit,but perhaps you should start the training with sprints to solve our first half problems.alternatively, a it of lateral thinking and let's start the games 50 minutes later. Backs coach,anyone want to own up. Selection committee,just pay a bit more attention to Wots decided on the forum,and your jobs might just be safe.And finally, could the DoR try and look a bit more concerned when we're 3 try's down in 30 minutes ,bless him.



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Finno (IP Logged)
08 October, 2017 12:05
Sitting here reflecting on yesterday after having watched a recording, yes, there are still lots to be improved on/sorted out but that squad have a togetherness and will to fight for each other that is invaluable!!

I'm convinced we will sort things out, and do enough to stay up, which is the ultimate aim this season!

I left the MadStad yesterday feeling like we'd won..

The future is looking better week by week.

..and I don't think that is blind optimism just realism!

 
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Ozzy3213 (IP Logged)
08 October, 2017 12:12
It's a tough one summing up yesterday really. If you get completely blown away by a better opponent you have to hold your hands up, and in fairness to Leicester they played some good stuff. I do however feel as if a lot of our wounds were at least in part self inflicted, which is what is a bit tough to take.

There was plenty of good stuff in there as well though, not least the desire to battle right to the end to get something from the game, and as importantly to remain composed enough to do it, something that has been lacking at various times this season.

I saw enough yesterday to feel that we are making improvements and if we continue to do so we will pick up enough points to stay up this year, which is our sole aim really.

Hopefully we can maintain the improvements next week, cut out some of the mistakes and pick up a win against Edinburgh.


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