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Cooke and Cokanasiga
HMRH (IP Logged)
14 May, 2019 14:34
Jack Cooke signs first team contract and Phil Cokanasiga signs with senior academy

Good

 
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GHA (IP Logged)
14 May, 2019 14:35
eye popping smiley

 
Re: Cooke and Cokanasiga
MattM (IP Logged)
14 May, 2019 14:43
Delighted with this. I've really liked what I've seen of Cooke, a no-nonsense scrapper. of course keeping Phil is a result too as I think a number of people feared he would follow his brother.



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Re: Cooke and Cokanasiga
Marbo (IP Logged)
14 May, 2019 14:51
Best news to come out of Irish since last week (Sm6) but seriously thrilled at this news Cooke seems like a great player by all accounts and would love to see him get more first team appearances under his belt. As for Phil this is great news especially considering the rumours of him going to Bath wondering if this might be linked to the rumours of Joe regretting his move to Bath - which aren't surprising considering the coaching turnover.

 
Re: Cooke and Cokanasiga
SirBurger (IP Logged)
14 May, 2019 14:59
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Marbo
Best news to come out of Irish since last week (Sm6) but seriously thrilled at this news Cooke seems like a great player by all accounts and would love to see him get more first team appearances under his belt. As for Phil this is great news especially considering the rumours of him going to Bath wondering if this might be linked to the rumours of Joe regretting his move to Bath - which aren't surprising considering the coaching turnover.

What rumours are these?

 
Re: Cooke and Cokanasiga
LI Bohemian (IP Logged)
14 May, 2019 15:30
This is excellent news, had heard a strong rumour that Phil was off and was resigned to losing him, I think Cooke is a tough competitor and can't wait to see them both in the team for us.

 
Re: Cooke and Cokanasiga
Ecksile (IP Logged)
14 May, 2019 15:35
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Marbo
Best news to come out of Irish since last week (Sm6) but seriously thrilled at this news Cooke seems like a great player by all accounts and would love to see him get more first team appearances under his belt. As for Phil this is great news especially considering the rumours of him going to Bath wondering if this might be linked to the rumours of Joe regretting his move to Bath - which aren't surprising considering the coaching turnover.

What rumours are these?

The ones just started...........(Sm100)

 
Re: Cooke and Cokanasiga
Lincs-Exile (IP Logged)
14 May, 2019 15:37
Can't beat a good rumour !!

 
Re: Cooke and Cokanasiga
GHA (IP Logged)
14 May, 2019 16:02
Rumour has it everyone's going to pretend it was just a loan after all and he'll be back next season

 
Re: Cooke and Cokanasiga
Marbo (IP Logged)
14 May, 2019 17:14
The rumour came from Bath fans on Twitter so not sure how reliable it is. But body language of Joe doesn't look positive - but then again that's true for lots of Bath players the whole thing is a mess

 
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ExiledChameleon (IP Logged)
14 May, 2019 17:39
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Marbo
The rumour came from Bath fans on Twitter so not sure how reliable it is. But body language of Joe doesn't look positive - but then again that's true for lots of Bath players the whole thing is a mess

Bath's quickly picking up a reputation of a club where careers go to stall. I genuinely can't think of (m)any players who have got better in that car crash of a club. Aled Brew is perhaps the only one.

 
Re: Cooke and Cokanasiga
Lazyboy346 (IP Logged)
14 May, 2019 18:37
Brilliant news. I was worried Cooke had inexplicably been allowed to leave. He looked a very good prospect in his appearances this season. We haven't had an Irish qualified academy player make it into the first team in a while.

Phil C also looks impressive; heard rumours he is seen as the more talented brother so read we could keep hold of him. Also eases my fears that we only have a scrum half representing the backs in the academy.

 
Re: Cooke and Cokanasiga
LI Bohemian (IP Logged)
14 May, 2019 18:46
I'm not sure Bath is a place where careers stall, if you think of Underhill, Obamo, and if you consider that JJ and AW were long term injury but before this they were B&I lions.
I would put the current quandary at Bath down to an uncertain future as regards the new alternative Coaching set up and the lack of quality 9/10 in the pipe line, this is all down to a couple of spoilt brats in the hospitality section.

 
Re: Cooke and Cokanasiga
Florida (IP Logged)
14 May, 2019 19:29
Awesome news. Especially about Cooke, he's a younger version of Conan, will tackle anything with the ball, no matter how far away it is, he'll get there somehow.

 
Re: Cooke and Cokanasiga
ExiledChameleon (IP Logged)
14 May, 2019 19:33
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LI Bohemian
I'm not sure Bath is a place where careers stall, if you think of Underhill, Obamo, and if you consider that JJ and AW were long term injury but before this they were B&I lions.
I would put the current quandary at Bath down to an uncertain future as regards the new alternative Coaching set up and the lack of quality 9/10 in the pipe line, this is all down to a couple of spoilt brats in the hospitality section.

Underhill was already in the England squad before he joined Bath. Same with Joe.

JJ was already an England player and his scoring rate has dropped since he joined them, and AW was already more or less nailed on for England.

How many (young) players have joined Bath and then really improved?

Lahiff, nope.

Henry Thomas was recently capped when he joined from Sale, and since then went backwards.

Homer's not been given a look in. Same with Garvey and Mercer.

Charteris joined as a Wales starter, but was then completely axed by midway through the first 6N he was with Bath.

Faletau has just been broken by them.

Roko's barely been featured for England.

Chudley, Cook, Fotuali'i, and Burns have been back-pedalling at a rate of knots.

Obano's a good shout, assuming he recovers from his injury, but the general trend seems to be that you go to Bath a current England international or enjoy domestic rugby for the rest of your life. If I was an 18 year old there's possibly nowhere I'd want to go less. Exeter, Sarries, Sale, us, Quins, even Worcester are noticeably better.



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Re: Cooke and Cokanasiga
Margin_Walker (IP Logged)
14 May, 2019 19:37
Really good news on both fronts and very happy to proved wrong re Joe. Definitely thought he was Bath bound.

Really pleased for Cooke. Always been a bit of an underdog with his lack of bulk, but he's definitely got talent and enjoy watching him play. So accurate in defence.

I wouldn't worry about the lack of backs in the academy Lazyboy, there are plenty of them in the year below. There were six lads in the England U17 training camp last month. four of them backs (two wings, a fullback and a 13)

 
Re: Cooke and Cokanasiga
Lincs-Exile (IP Logged)
14 May, 2019 19:38
The Barf faithful are defo not keen on the new management reading there message board but i think having Hooper as there DOR is definetely good for everyone else.The owners are like a pair of spoilt kids.

 
Re: Cooke and Cokanasiga
AlecW (IP Logged)
14 May, 2019 20:18
I believe from speaking to a number of Bath supporters over the last few months that the main problem is that Bruce Craig interferes too much and tries to choose the team himself. So - maybe a weak / inexperienced coaching set-up might play to Craigís agenda...?!

 
Re: Cooke and Cokanasiga
jimbo800 (IP Logged)
14 May, 2019 20:29
This could all work into a long term plan to get big joe back. A lot easier if his brother is still with us. It was well documented he didnít want to leave, if it wasnít the year before the World Cup I reckon he would have stayed with us

 
Re: Cooke and Cokanasiga
Florida (IP Logged)
14 May, 2019 21:28
Perhaps we could forget about Joe, at least for this thread and simply celebrate the fact that we've got Jack (an excellent player who did very well in the A League this season) and Phil (who has heaps of potential). This is really great news

 
Re: Cooke and Cokanasiga
GHA (IP Logged)
14 May, 2019 22:03
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Florida
Perhaps we could forget about Joe, at least for this thread and simply celebrate the fact that we've got Jack (an excellent player who did very well in the A League this season) and Phil (who has heaps of potential). This is really great news

Good shout

 
Re: Cooke and Cokanasiga
Marbo (IP Logged)
16 May, 2019 14:41
What I don't understand is why didn't Cooke get more playing time this season in the first team ahead of players like Schatz who played almost every game for us but left us at the end of the season? Surely giving Cooke more time to develop in the championship as a forward utility player off the bench would have been a better use of the playing time avaiable?

 
Re: Cooke and Cokanasiga
SixNineOne (IP Logged)
16 May, 2019 15:24
I think you make a very valid point Marbo, but we mustnít forget that the absolute and overriding priority for K&K was getting promotion, so apart from the Cup games they possibly they felt didnít have much bandwidth for a full fledged development strategy for younger players like Jack Cooke. The problem with that viewpoint is that we could be facing the converse imperative next season and that the youngsters never get enough development time...

 
Re: Cooke and Cokanasiga
jimbo800 (IP Logged)
16 May, 2019 15:28
Next season weíll have premiership cup, Europe and A League so we wonít be short of playing opportunities for the younger lads.

 
Re: Cooke and Cokanasiga
Margin_Walker (IP Logged)
16 May, 2019 15:31
Yep, realistically Cooke's unlikely to go from playing for the Geese in ND2 to featuring regularly for us in the GP.

As Jimbo says though, there are infinitely more development opportunities for squad players next season.

Edit - Personally would have preferred it if guys like him and Brand had got a few more minutes in the Championship Cup this season.



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Re: Cooke and Cokanasiga
jimbo800 (IP Logged)
16 May, 2019 15:34
Very disappointed not to see Brand get more time. But he must have faith in the system as he signed a new deal.


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