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England 22
forthewin (IP Logged)
21 February, 2012 18:46
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Forwards (12)
Mouritz Botha (Saracens)
Alex Corbisiero (London Irish)
Dan Cole (Leicester Tigers)
Tom Croft (Leicester Tigers)
Phil Dowson (Northampton Saints)
Dylan Hartley (Northampton Saints)
Courtney Lawes (Northampton Saints)
Ben Morgan (Scarlets)
Geoff Parling (Leicester Tigers)
Chris Robshaw (Harlequins)
Matt Stevens (Saracens)
Rob Webber (London Wasps)

Backs (10)
Chris Ashton (Northampton Saints)
Brad Barritt (Saracens)
Lee Dickson (Northampton Saints)
Owen Farrell (Saracens)
Toby Flood (Leicester Tigers)
Ben Foden (Northampton Saints)
Charlie Hodgson (Saracens)
David Strettle (Saracens)
Manusamoa Tuilagi (Leicester Tigers)
Ben Youngs (Leicester Tigers)

The following players will return to their clubs this evening and be available for the weekend’s Aviva Premiership Round 16 and Orange Top 14 fixtures:

Chris Brooker (Harlequins)
Mike Brown (Harlequins)
Calum Clark (Northampton Saints)
Paul Doran Jones (Northampton Saints)
Tom Palmer (Stade Francais)
Joe Simpson (London Wasps)
Jordan Turner-Hall (Harlequins)
Thomas Waldrom (Leicester Tigers)

 
Re: England 22
Nicksb (IP Logged)
21 February, 2012 18:50
Where's Joe Marler?

 
Re: England 22
SilverstoneQuin (IP Logged)
21 February, 2012 18:54
Guess he must be the travelling replacement again?

 
Re: England 22
thomh (IP Logged)
21 February, 2012 18:54
Probably an England reserve again and they've left him off the list. The same goes for Sharples, although Lancaster said he took a knock that would probably keep him out anyway.

 
Re: England 22
Still watching (IP Logged)
21 February, 2012 19:01
Astonishing Brown isn't in the 22 but couldn't care less about England. Disappointed for him but glad he is with us.

 
Re: England 22
21 February, 2012 19:30
Sharples had already been released due to injury picked up at the weekend.

Rumour currently going aroun d is that Parling will START.

 
Re: England 22
Nev's Left Boot (IP Logged)
21 February, 2012 19:34
2 wings & 1 Full Back

but 3 possible Fly-Halves ??

I would say that is unbalanced

 
Re: England 22
Nev's Left Boot (IP Logged)
21 February, 2012 19:41
Can't believe i missed the first time, but dropping Tom Palmer, don't understand that at all?

Very odd

 
Re: England 22
1988JPCF (IP Logged)
21 February, 2012 19:45
Palmer must be gutted but parling is a decent player though...good news for quins.

It's clear sarries are the new Leicester ! Stevens

Ashton wants to turn up also on Saturday

 
Re: England 22
mabosa ritchie (IP Logged)
21 February, 2012 19:51
sailing away in the league , yet one player in the squad????

 
Re: England 22
Heath Quinn (IP Logged)
21 February, 2012 19:54
Palmer dropped, but Botha kept?

Very strange.

 
Re: England 22
TitusQuin (IP Logged)
21 February, 2012 20:20
This guy Lancaster doesnt have a clue. Dropping Palmer who out of those second rows is the only one who has proven test status albeit a little out of form but its not as if the rest are pulling up trees!! Botha doesnt cut it for me, flies off the line but handles like he was born with clubhands. Parling is never a test match lock???? England will lose but only by 10 or less because Wales will struggle to overcome the twickenham factor and beleive their own hype along with a fired up ENgland for 60 mins but class will tell.

 
Re: England 22
Brown Bottle (IP Logged)
21 February, 2012 20:23
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Nicksb
Where's Joe Marler?

He's been added to the list returning to their clubs, now.



BB

 
Re: England 22
Somardino (IP Logged)
21 February, 2012 20:28
That is a slap in the face for Mike.

I assumed that Manu and Flood would be brought back in and that we would get JTH back, but expected Hodgson or Barrit to lose out.

I take that selection to mean Hodgson starts, so presumably Farrell and Tuilagi in the centre with Flood and Barrit benching. I think England are going to have a defence problem in mid field against Wales when the phase count rises.

Lawes was always going to come in, not too concerned that he's replaced Palmer rather than Botha, I just hope he and Parling start.


Really hope we can get JTH up to speed for Saturday, he seriously needs some game time.
Should be strong team to face Glaws.

 
Re: England 22
DOK (IP Logged)
21 February, 2012 20:28
I can only assume our success this season is entirely attributable to NEV, JJ and Mo! smiling smiley

 
Re: England 22
Bedfordshire Boy (IP Logged)
21 February, 2012 21:24
Difficult to see what else Mike Brown can do to get a look in - its this obsession with "a back three" and the perception that he has no pace which must be counting against him.

 
Re: England 22
Fistral Beach (IP Logged)
21 February, 2012 21:30
Can't work that lot out. Unless I am just myopic as a Quins fan? I can already hear Cockerill whinging on again for the next 2 weekends about being x number of players down (Sm120)

 
Re: England 22
mabosa ritchie (IP Logged)
21 February, 2012 21:35
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DOK
I can only assume our success this season is entirely attributable to NEV, JJ and Mo! smiling smiley

And they are scratching their heads at HQ wondering why things aren't clicking

 
Re: England 22
ianco (IP Logged)
21 February, 2012 21:50
If Youngs hadn't played so badly more would have been made of the bad performance of Foden against Italy. Mike Brown is a better full back than Foden.

 
Re: England 22
forthewin (IP Logged)
21 February, 2012 22:07
My thoughts exactly, we have been the best attacking team in the prem this season and harlequins have just the one forward to show for it! MAD

 
Re: England 22
TeddingtonQuin (IP Logged)
21 February, 2012 22:14
Ridiculous situation, really cannot understand the mentality of the coaches not picking the best of the players in the top team.....

Good for us but really harsh on the guys that have given their all for the team and to get selected.

 
Re: England 22
Fursty (IP Logged)
21 February, 2012 22:16
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DOK
I can only assume our success this season is entirely attributable to NEV, JJ and Mo! smiling smiley

But we're only top due to the lack of international call ups.

 
Re: England 22
Nicksb (IP Logged)
21 February, 2012 22:38
If Foden gets injured 5 minutes into the game, who will play full back?

 
Re: England 22
Bedfordshire Boy (IP Logged)
21 February, 2012 22:49
Quote:
Fursty
Quote:
DOK
I can only assume our success this season is entirely attributable to NEV, JJ and Mo! smiling smiley

But we're only top due to the lack of international call ups.

Thanks for the reminder, I had forgotten that.

 
Re: England 22
Quinten Poulsen (IP Logged)
21 February, 2012 23:00
I'm sure leaving Brown out of the 22 was no easy decision for Lolcaster, but I wouldn't get too het up about it yet - he may well get some decent game time following this game.

I too am surprised Palmer has been omitted but again I don't think there have been any ridiculous decisions.

 
Re: England 22
raedarius (IP Logged)
21 February, 2012 23:04
I expect that Robson will be called up as injury cover then released next week.

 
Re: England 22
Nicksb (IP Logged)
21 February, 2012 23:07
He's injured.

 
Re: England 22
Whyarecarrots (IP Logged)
22 February, 2012 00:07
Which means they can then call up someone else as cover for him!

 
Re: England 22
T-Bone (IP Logged)
22 February, 2012 08:57
Fully expected to see jth back but amazed about brown. despite awful conditions he had yet another storming game against wuss on saturday. Unless you count manu we have no back 3 cover at all. what more must he do to get some game time for england? being the best fullback in the country is clearly not the way forward

Youngs, dowson and croft all rewarded for their continued excellent form. Media hype and handily placed father guarantee farrell's selection in the team from now on despite no obvious attacking ability. Great kicking admittedly, great defence too, but nothing in attack, so back 3 can only attack from ball kicked to them. I don't really want to be too critical of farrell as he's only young and might well develop into a very good player - he's already showing a lot of promise and doing some very good stuff, but at this stage in his development I can't quite understand all the hype. maybe him at 12 and manu at 13 is the answer, but he and barritt in midfield is just dull

 
Re: England 22
DOK (IP Logged)
22 February, 2012 09:19
And what about the back who always plays head up, intelligent rugby Tom Williams? He's been involved in a number of our best moves this season. At international level you aren't going to get many chances, so why not pick the man least likely to waste them?

 
Re: England 22
mid_gen (IP Logged)
22 February, 2012 09:27
Foden is a better test 15 than Brown. I like Brown and he performs great at club-level but doesn't have the physicality or pace for internationals.

His cameo the other day proved that for me....he counter-attacked in the way that we've seen him routinely beat a couple of defenders in the AP....but got scragged by the first man, shoved backwards and turned over.

Glad he's back with us, and would have him in the England 15 shirt if Foden was injured, but no way he should be first choice.

 
Re: England 22
RodneyRegis (IP Logged)
22 February, 2012 09:50
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mid_gen
Foden is a better test 15 than Brown. I like Brown and he performs great at club-level but doesn't have the physicality or pace for internationals.
His cameo the other day proved that for me....he counter-attacked in the way that we've seen him routinely beat a couple of defenders in the AP....but got scragged by the first man, shoved backwards and turned over.

Glad he's back with us, and would have him in the England 15 shirt if Foden was injured, but no way he should be first choice.

Yep, Brown would have gifted 3 tries to Italy.

 
Re: England 22
Nev's Left Boot (IP Logged)
22 February, 2012 09:53
outside of the Quins-centric rhetoric - the real shock here, is that they've picked Flood,he was useless in the game against Sarries, and pretty rubbish in his 30 min cameo at Exeter - yet walks straight in.

It's not as if we don;t have two lads doing the job already.

I can see why MB does not get the bench slot, never thought JTH was international class.

Manu and Lawes deserve to be there they have played well since there returns.

Parling is decent, but feel the Palmer should have remained.

 
Re: England 22
raedarius (IP Logged)
22 February, 2012 09:54
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mid_gen
Foden is a better test 15 than Brown. I like Brown and he performs great at club-level but doesn't have the physicality or pace for internationals.

Always good to see vintage opinions cherished and maintained by their owners despite more up-to-date and accurate opinions being available.

 
Re: England 22
Stooperman (IP Logged)
22 February, 2012 09:58
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Nev's Left Boot
outside of the Quins-centric rhetoric - the real shock here, is that they've picked Flood,he was useless in the game against Sarries, and pretty rubbish in his 30 min cameo at Exeter - yet walks straight in.
It's not as if we don;t have two lads doing the job already.

I can see why MB does not get the bench slot, never thought JTH was international class.

Manu and Lawes deserve to be there they have played well since there returns.

Parling is decent, but feel the Palmer should have remained.

Can't disagree with that, and would add that Flood's abdication of responsibility for the drop goal was shocking. I know Tigers fnas are saying that he doesn't do drop goals, and therefore was right to let Smurf have a go, but I wouldn;t want to be going into an International game with a fly half who is never under any circumstances going to drop a goal!

 
Re: England 22
Quinten Poulsen (IP Logged)
22 February, 2012 10:29
You could argue that Flood's brave decision to allow Murphy to take the drop goal won them the game.

 
Re: England 22
ChiddQuin (IP Logged)
22 February, 2012 10:50
I thought we'd lose to Scotland and we scraped a win. I thought we'd lose to Italy and we scraped a win. I think we'll lose to Wales and this time I don't think we'll scrape a win. And I'm not sure Lancaster is the man for the job.

 
Re: England 22
Nev's Left Boot (IP Logged)
22 February, 2012 11:03
Well if we're talking - right man for the job - how about a proven coach with a track record of international coaching, or if not that, how about someone who has been successful coaching in the english club game

SL is neither of these!

the RFU is the most wealthy union, it should be able to afford the best coach available right now!

Personally, Dean Richards should be brought in, above the current set up -

but i think the most qualified guy for the job, who is media friendly is Nick Mallett

 
Re: England 22
ChiddQuin (IP Logged)
22 February, 2012 11:10
Nev's LB,

I completely agree with you!

 
Re: England 22
mid_gen (IP Logged)
22 February, 2012 11:12
Quote:
raedarius
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mid_gen
Foden is a better test 15 than Brown. I like Brown and he performs great at club-level but doesn't have the physicality or pace for internationals.

Always good to see vintage opinions cherished and maintained by their owners despite more up-to-date and accurate opinions being available.

I'm a quins fan. I rate Mike Brown highly, he definitely has what it takes to be the second best 15 in the AP. If/when Foden is injured and Mike gets some game time in a white shirt and proves me wrong, I will be most happy (except for the fact we will lose him at Quins more). Until then, I believe my opinion is as valid as anyone's here.

 
Re: England 22
Stooperman (IP Logged)
22 February, 2012 11:14
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Quinten Poulsen
You could argue that Flood's brave decision to allow Murphy to take the drop goal won them the game.




Only if you were adopting an extreme contrarian view for the sake of it. For a start, Murphy wouldn't have been there to do it in an England international game.

 
Re: England 22
22 February, 2012 11:43
To be fair to Flood, I'm pretty sure that his Captain ordered him aside in this instance.



Adventure before Dementia!

 
Re: England 22
Rocker (IP Logged)
22 February, 2012 11:53
Foden is another one out of form, but still picked because he is the man in possession of the shirt. It's getting ridiculous, Ashton, Foden, Youngs all need to be dropped and sent home to get some game time and find their mojo again.

 
Re: England 22
Stooperman (IP Logged)
22 February, 2012 11:57
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deadlyfrom5yardsout
To be fair to Flood, I'm pretty sure that his Captain ordered him aside in this instance.

To be fair to Murphy it was the 26th phase and Flood had bottled at least two perfectly kickable attempts in the build up.

 
Re: England 22
22 February, 2012 12:00
Really? I thought the defenders just closed him down really well but you may well be right. Anybody got a clip of it?



Adventure before Dementia!

 
Re: England 22
thomh (IP Logged)
22 February, 2012 12:09
Flood was given the ball to kick once, but the defence rushed up fast and he stepped and carried back into contact. Flood and Murphy were lined up in the pocket next to each other, but when it was clear Murphy was better positioned Flood went to line up in the back line.

Foden made a couple of bad mistakes last week, but to say him an Ashton are out of form is a bit unfair considering how little they have got the ball. You can't also really call the opinion that Brown may be lacking something at international level 'out of date' either, whether or not it's ultimately wrong. What has he done at international to disprove it?

 
Re: England 22
mikepw (IP Logged)
22 February, 2012 12:45
So who's back three cover? Is there another FB left in there? Farrell?

 
Re: England 22
Samquin (IP Logged)
22 February, 2012 13:07
Looks like Tigers are bidding to take over the team despite a rather patchy set of results in the League.

I feel sorry for Mike as he fully deserves a game at HQ

 
Re: England 22
Grump (IP Logged)
22 February, 2012 14:01
Mightn't be a bad one to miss. I can see Stretts being trampled under foot for a start.

 
Re: England 22
ianco (IP Logged)
22 February, 2012 14:02
Mike Brown is not the second best full back in the AP. He is the best. Foden is a talented rugby player who has been slotted into full back to get him on the pitch.

I think it is fair to say that in the first two matches of this six nations that Mike Brown would have done better than Foden. Two tries conceded wouldn't have been conceded for a start.

 
Re: England 22
mid_gen (IP Logged)
22 February, 2012 14:13
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Grump
Mightn't be a bad one to miss. I can see Stretts being trampled under foot for a start.

Indeed....I'd be happier with Ugo lining up against that backline.

 
Re: England 22
HorsleyQuin (IP Logged)
22 February, 2012 14:25
There may be strange selection decisions coming from HQ, and MB is probably not the only Quin who should be in the 22, but it is a great consolation for the Club to have this calibre of players back for the Gloucester game. What would be your preference? - I think I would take 4 points for Quins and lose to Wales if it came to that.

 
Re: England 22
Stooperman (IP Logged)
22 February, 2012 14:30
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HorsleyQuin
There may be strange selection decisions coming from HQ, and MB is probably not the only Quin who should be in the 22, but it is a great consolation for the Club to have this calibre of players back for the Gloucester game. What would be your preference? - I think I would take 4 points for Quins and lose to Wales if it came to that.


100% agreement. I'm rapidly losing interest in the farce that is the England international team. Looks like the remainng choices for Head coach going forward are Lancaster and .........Mallett. So Lancaster it is then!

Meanwhile Quins have homegrown players, a consistent selection policy, an exciting brand of rugby, and a great day out at the Stoop to offer.

 
Re: England 22
Nicksb (IP Logged)
22 February, 2012 14:32
I'd just love to beat Glos again!!!

 
Re: England 22
Neil-H (IP Logged)
22 February, 2012 14:39
Ianco, and would Mike Brown have made the 2, 1 on 1 tackles against Rennie and Denton, that if not made would have been a certain try? (and yes all one had to do was look outside, but Foden did as much as he could)

Brown may well have made them, we will never know?.. Foden did make them... you cant say anything against Foden in the Scottish game, he did all he could given what he had.

Against Italy yes 2 mistakes cost us tries... do you drop someone who has been one of the most consistant players in the england team cause of one bad game or 2 mistakes?, id suggest not?

I rate Brown highly and along with Foden are the best Full Backs in the AP and I think fans from all clubs would agree and stopped the Armitage/Goode band wagons,

To say Foden has been slotted into FB to get him in the team is a bit much, he has played Full back consistantly for the last 3 years

with Foden and Brown, I think england are well covered and hopefully it will be a battle for the shirt like Dawson/Braken use to have

 
Re: England 22
Quinten Poulsen (IP Logged)
22 February, 2012 14:55
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Only if you were adopting an extreme contrarian view for the sake of it. For a start, Murphy wouldn't have been there to do it in an England international game.

Just preventing an alternative view to the stab in the dark that he bottled it. Your second sentence has no relevance.

 
Re: England 22
raedarius (IP Logged)
22 February, 2012 14:57
Quote:
Neil-H
Ianco, and would Mike Brown have made the 2, 1 on 1 tackles against Rennie and Denton, that if not made would have been a certain try? (and yes all one had to do was look outside, but Foden did as much as he could)
Brown may well have made them, we will never know?.. Foden did make them... you cant say anything against Foden in the Scottish game, he did all he could given what he had.

Against Italy yes 2 mistakes cost us tries... do you drop someone who has been one of the most consistant players in the england team cause of one bad game or 2 mistakes?, id suggest not?

I rate Brown highly and along with Foden are the best Full Backs in the AP and I think fans from all clubs would agree and stopped the Armitage/Goode band wagons,

To say Foden has been slotted into FB to get him in the team is a bit much, he has played Full back consistantly for the last 3 years

with Foden and Brown, I think england are well covered and hopefully it will be a battle for the shirt like Dawson/Braken use to have

I think that where we, and many others, have been caught out is that we thought that this Six Nations would be a test of possibles for the new team, whereas it turns out that Lancaster pretty much has chosen his team, and had done so before the Six Nations (see photos of Wood representing England as an example of this).

What stings for us us that, beyond training, there is little sense that Lancaster is making good use of our players. It's nice that he took Marler on holiday to Italy and Scotland, but not productive. JTH and Brown's time on the bench has not been productive or taught us much about their potential. Calling up Dickson (K) and Brooker has not been productive.

'Dropping' Foden would give Brown a test for a game to find out who works better, something it looks increasingly like he won't get beyond the training environment. I can't see a Dawson/Bracken rivalry developing if there's only room for Foden at the moment.

 
Re: England 22
Brown Bottle (IP Logged)
22 February, 2012 15:14
raedarius, I think one problem with trying players out is that England are still trying to win all their games and are unbeaten.

It's also possible that Lancaster has been told he must focus on that for the 6 nations or that he sees that as a crucial short-term objective in relation to his job prospects.

If England lose against Wales maybe he'll try experimenting a little but if not I can't see it during the 6 nations at all. Maybe he'll use the summer tour and the AIs (if he's still got the job) for that.



BB

 
Re: England 22
Neil-H (IP Logged)
22 February, 2012 15:16
Raedarius

I can see where your coming from, us saints fans where frustrated when Johnson use to take Foden for a 'holiday' as you put it, when Armitage was playing, we couldnt have him as travelling spectator!

The same when Dowson would be called in as cover and never got anywhere... ok time has proved maybe he wasnt good enough, or maybe 2 years to late or more so playing him at 8 which by far his weakest position?... so we have been there and can relate to it... we have had Callum clarke at all training sessions and again he has been sent back

we found our players went away during last years 6 nations, whether played or not, came back less fit than they went away, so not productive for us with a small squad as it was.

I think the issue is, with the saracens centers we do not have much attacking flair/pace and foden is probably seen as the most attacking English player on the pitch (also consistant), so you would not drop him to see what someone else can do, however much he may deserve a shot? (if i am making sense?)... also ask any saints fan, Foden is what makes Ashton (not that Ashtons done much), so if you remove foden you lose alot of potential that ashton could bring?.. so an even bigger risk, if england had a pair of centers like Wales/NZ, then you could afford to give Brown a game

Hey if Foden has another mare, then maybe you bench him n give Brown a start?

IMHO there is not alot to choose between either of them... I hope Brown gets games in South Africa so we can see what he can do and he will be chomping at the bit

 
Re: England 22
Stooperman (IP Logged)
22 February, 2012 15:20
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Quinten Poulsen
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Only if you were adopting an extreme contrarian view for the sake of it. For a start, Murphy wouldn't have been there to do it in an England international game.

Just preventing an alternative view to the stab in the dark that he bottled it. Your second sentence has no relevance.


Sure, your stab in the dark is way more authoritative than mine. Of course it does, you are just being deliberately obtuse to hand wave away a point. Either that or you really ARE thick.

 
Re: England 22
Quinten Poulsen (IP Logged)
22 February, 2012 15:25
I didn't say my view was more authoritative at all, but yet again it looks like I may be the latest poster to have to duck out of the way of your toys. I'll retreat.

 
Re: England 22
Nigel_B (IP Logged)
22 February, 2012 15:26
My biggest concern is that Lancaster's selection policy so far (which could result in inconsistent / poor performances)could have a detrimental impact on CR's captaincy.

If the decision is to go for Mallett and a lot of people are arguing his case, then will he want to appoint his own captain? I'm guessing that Chris has already worked that out and we can continue to see him make some massive hits and gain a lot of ground.

 
Re: England 22
Brown Bottle (IP Logged)
22 February, 2012 15:33
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Either that or you really ARE thick.

No need to get personal just because someone disagrees with you.



BB

 
Re: England 22
Stooperman (IP Logged)
22 February, 2012 15:38
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Brown Bottle
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Either that or you really ARE thick.

No need to get personal just because someone disagrees with you.



Haha, knew you would be in like a shot. Its the Quinten Poulsen - Brown Bottle tag team again. You two should get a room really - do your wives know about the two of you?

suggest that if the two of you want to have an argument we should really all do it via PM. Nobody wants to read spats on the board.

 
Re: England 22
Heath Quinn (IP Logged)
22 February, 2012 15:44
QP, they only way you could hold that view, which I don't think you do, but I take your point, is if Flood had waved Murphy up to take the kick.

But as Murphy was 'forced' to come forward and demand the ball, after Flood rejected the ball in kickable positions, and then ran into defenders rather than take a chance. So I don't think Flood decided to step aside...

IMO of course.....

grinning smiley

 
Re: England 22
Brown Bottle (IP Logged)
22 February, 2012 15:50
Quote:
Nobody wants to read spats on the board.

Stop being rude to people, then.



BB

 
Re: England 22
Jammy Git (IP Logged)
22 February, 2012 15:53
Flood was in position a phase or two before the kick. Murphy came up and provided an alternative, then moved Flood before taking the kick.

I don't see what the big deal is. England are playing a flyhalf who doesn't kick goals.

Re: Foden's tackling, Brown is the better tackler. Some of his tackles this season on big fast guys have been nothing short of superb.



O Fortuna, velut luna statu variabilis,
semper crescis aut decrescis

 
Re: England 22
Stooperman (IP Logged)
22 February, 2012 15:55
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Brown Bottle
Quote:
Nobody wants to read spats on the board.

Stop being rude to people, then.

Thank you Mr Pot

signed Mr Kettle

now if you don't mind lets not bother with this on the boards any more. As I said feel free to PM me with any invective you care to but lets not pollute the boards.

 
Re: England 22
Quinten Poulsen (IP Logged)
22 February, 2012 16:59
Stooperman, I don't want to get in a silly argument but all I did was disagree with you. I didn't get personal.

 
Re: England 22
Stooperman (IP Logged)
22 February, 2012 17:26
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Quinten Poulsen
Stooperman, I don't want to get in a silly argument but all I did was disagree with you. I didn't get personal.

OK- its difficult to judge tone on a message board and I thought you were being deliberately provocative, as you have had a go at me in the past. If I was mistaken, I apologise.

Here is what the Tigers think of Flood's drop goal skills - just so you can see how I came to the conclusion that your post was provocation rather than a reasonable point of view

[www.rugbynetwork.net]

 
Re: England 22
Nicksb (IP Logged)
22 February, 2012 17:36
That's a very funny thread.

 
Re: England 22
Quinten Poulsen (IP Logged)
22 February, 2012 17:47
I don't know why my post would be taken as provocation. I thought the comment that "Flood's abdication of responsibility for the drop goal was shocking" was an exaggeration. Just because he is supposedly no good at drop goals does not mean he lost his bottle. I think far too much was made of the situation - Tigers won so great result for them.

HQ

You say Flood rejected the ball in kickable positions - that's not how I saw it, but even if he had, so what? I would prefer my 10 to want to be confident of winning the game with one shot, and if that meant getting into a better position then fine.

 
Re: England 22
Heath Quinn (IP Logged)
22 February, 2012 18:07
There is truth is what you say, and I certainly wouldn't want him trying to take a drop kick from inside his own half. But centre field, just outside the twenty two? Either he wasn't thinking clearly, or he does not have enough confidence in himself.

If the later is true, then he should have waved Murphy up, rather than keeping the forwards going through phase after phase, risking knock ons or turn overs at each breakdown.

 
Re: England 22
Stooperman (IP Logged)
22 February, 2012 18:11
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Heath Quinn
There is truth is what you say, and I certainly wouldn't want him trying to take a drop kick from inside his own half. But centre field, just outside the twenty two? Either he wasn't thinking clearly, or he does not have enough confidence in himself.
If the later is true, then he should have waved Murphy up, rather than keeping the forwards going through phase after phase, risking knock ons or turn overs at each breakdown.

+1
Couldn't have put it better.

 
Re: England 22
Nev's Left Boot (IP Logged)
22 February, 2012 19:00
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I think that where we, and many others, have been caught out is that we thought that this Six Nations would be a test of possibles for the new team, whereas it turns out that Lancaster pretty much has chosen his team, and had done so before the Six Nations (see photos of Wood representing England as an example of this).
What stings for us us that, beyond training, there is little sense that Lancaster is making good use of our players. It's nice that he took Marler on holiday to Italy and Scotland, but not productive. JTH and Brown's time on the bench has not been productive or taught us much about their potential. Calling up Dickson (K) and Brooker has not been productive.

'Dropping' Foden would give Brown a test for a game to find out who works better, something it looks increasingly like he won't get beyond the training environment. I can't see a Dawson/Bracken rivalry developing if there's only room for Foden at the moment.

I totally agree - the thing that irks the most is that, we have to use this time, so far out from the RWC, to experiment. There is no point doing it later.

SL should be putting the needs of the country first over his own objective of getting a job that, to be honest, i'm not entirely sure how he has got. Talk about being in the right place at the right time.

Foden deserves his place, but i think Brown should be a given a go to allow for competition.

Ashton has no form and I'm not sure why we persist in picking him, he should have been allowed to go and score a hatful for Saints and get his mojo back

The same should be said for Youngs

Dowson should never had been near the squad, total joke picking a back row player when two specialist are available,

Faz & Barritt don't do much together - so lets mix it up - but not by dropping Barritt who has done nothing wrong.

Faz has to play because he is the kicker then put him at 10

Flood - don't see why he is there? he has played poorly since his comeback and we have two FH's playing well enough.

Lawes should be there, he is a brute and he has played alright since injury -

Dropping Palmer????? I don't understand at all and not for Parling (who i think is good) or Botha.

I don't know how Webber got in the squad ahead of Gray - just because he has a Leeds accent.

How does Joe Simpson, who has lost all form and can't start at his own club at the mo, gets in the setup ahead of Karl is an interesting one.

How did Mears make the squad anyway?

Marler, should be given a few 20 mins off the bench to see if he can bring something to the party

we should be trying out a few back 3 players to see what they can do at this level.

I've got all het up and gone off message, i'm just irritated!

It's not difficult !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
ARGH!!!!!!!!!
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