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England Subs
Edquin (IP Logged)
25 February, 2012 17:49
They were disaster:

1. Youngs - why bring him on Dickson playing well kept thing moving pining the ball out of the base of the ruck. As per other thread what is he doing in the squad in this form?!

2. Stevens - came on and promptly gave away 2 penalties one to allow wales to draw level.

3. Brownie - brought on with 2 mins to go, poor lad what is the point no chane to influence the game?

just so frustrated 15 mins to go and the game was there for the taking

 
Re: England Subs
WanderQUIN (IP Logged)
25 February, 2012 17:51
How Youngs is in mystifies me,did anything from RWC tell the coaching regime he is a liability?

 
Re: England Subs
NorthernMonkee (IP Logged)
25 February, 2012 18:00
Every single one of those 3 decisions was bemusing.

When Dickson was playing, he was superb. Youngs has so much potential, but he's been out of form for what feels like an eternity.

What I wouldn't mind knowing is when the last time two brothers played for England, and if England have ever had two brothers in the same position (one on the bench). Gotta be argued that if Karl plays well now, he's got to be a better choice than Youngs.

 
Re: England Subs
Heath Quinn (IP Logged)
25 February, 2012 18:59
My worry is, because we came so close to winning we might get the worts of both worlds.

We lose to Wales, yet we get stuck with coaches who clearly are not up to it.

Stevens? Not good enough, has not been good enough since he came back. Did what he does every time he plays for England. Just gives away penalties. So obvious to everyone apart for Lolcaster

Botha? Oh dear god, truly awful. Please explain what part of his game is international class?

Barritt? Excellent in defence, but nothing else.

Why bring on Dowson and Youngs when Dickson and Morgan are playing well? Coaching by numbers without a feel for the game.

The sooner we get rid of the current coaching team, the sooner we can look forward to the future.

Right this season off as a bad lot.

 
Re: England Subs
ianco (IP Logged)
25 February, 2012 21:22
I think Lancaster and his team showed they were up to it. They got the starting selection just about right. The tactics were spot on. The defence was might. Some mistakes were made on the pitch, but fewer than under the Johson regime.

The bad decision was bringing on Youngs, but he was such a good player even a year ago it was worth a shot.

Lancaster has better credentials than Clive Woodward when he started out (backs coach at Bath).

 
Re: England Subs
Heath Quinn (IP Logged)
25 February, 2012 21:27
"Lancaster has better credentials than Clive Woodward when he started out"

Really, I don't remember London Irish getting relegated under woodward?

 
Re: England Subs
ianco (IP Logged)
25 February, 2012 21:44
Heathquin - I know it was more than fifteen years ago but Woodward never had the chance to get London Irish relegated. He managed them for a couple of years in the second division and managed to get them promoted in 1996. He then resigned in June 1996 accusing the committee of London Irish of racism. Wooedward then became back's coach at Bath before England called for him.

Not much in the credential line there. But as I said it was a long time ago.

 
Re: England Subs
Heath Quinn (IP Logged)
25 February, 2012 21:49
So Woodward got a club promoted, and Lancaster got one relegated?

Who's credentials are better?

 
Re: England Subs
Grins (IP Logged)
25 February, 2012 22:30
Hq. judging management of a club rather depends on the resources they have doesn't it? Not sure any coach would have kept Leeds up.

More pertinently, Dickson was subbed because he was knackered. His speed to the breakdown had slowed dramatically. Youngs was poor though. Real shame because they could have done better.

 
Re: England Subs
1908 (IP Logged)
25 February, 2012 22:48
Selection and substitutions are a learning curve.
SCW made some pretty strange ones during his early England tenure.

All coaches have their favourites and sometimes that blinds their reasoning.Lancaster seems to have a soft spot for his two northerners on the wing.Neither should be considered for the next game.In fact the whole back 3 needs to be changed.

Any good wing worth his salt would have scored the try Strettle missed in the dying seconds.Banahan has his critics,but he would have been far more effective than either Ashton or Strettle.

We can talk all night about the Strettle effort.But one thing is for sure.If Warburton had been England's 7 they would have won that game.Imagine a back row with Robshaw at 6 and Warburton at 7.


Back 3 for next game.
Perm four from Brown,May,Sharples and Banahan.

 
Re: England Subs
Nicksb (IP Logged)
25 February, 2012 22:58
I actually thought we competed pretty evenly with Wales at the breakdown. We certainly slowed a lot of their ball down. Warburton did put in some great tackles but I'd be surprised if his tackle count was as high as Robshaws.

I thought it was generally a positive game - I just hope its not another false dawn.

 
Re: England Subs
Quinten Poulsen (IP Logged)
26 February, 2012 00:20
When I looked a few hours ago, Parling was credited with 19 tackles - comfortably more than anyone else.

 
Re: England Subs
Heath Quinn (IP Logged)
26 February, 2012 06:53
My main issue is with Stevens and Botha, both only really contributed points to Wales.

Completely predictably as well....

 
Re: England Subs
Dave L (IP Logged)
26 February, 2012 08:21
Stevens wandered around the pitch ponderously and continued to be a walking penalty machine. Surely PDJ would have been a better option if you want a prop who can play both sides if required?

 
Re: England Subs
ianco (IP Logged)
26 February, 2012 09:36
If the rules of international rugby allowed for two props replacemtns then Stevens wouldn't be on the bench. He can, at a push, cover both sides of the scrum.

 
Re: England Subs
Heath Quinn (IP Logged)
26 February, 2012 10:17
No he can't. Stevens can not play loose head.

Especially if the oppo push.

 
Re: England Subs
Eric Browett (IP Logged)
26 February, 2012 10:38
Heath Quin
You must be watching a different Botha to most of the rest of us. His work rate has been good, he tackles well, he made the charge down that led to 3 points under the post, and as far as I'm aware didn't concede a penalty in that match. Rugby Paper had him as their man of the match after either the Italy or Scotland match - i forget which one.

I agree about Stevens - hasn't regained the form he showed before his ban.

 
Re: England Subs
Heath Quinn (IP Logged)
26 February, 2012 10:47
I agree, that Botha works hard, and makes tackles he can get to.

But I expect international 2nd rows, to be quicker, so they can make more tackles / yard with the ball, he is very slow. I also expect them to have better hands, and I expect them to make better decisions. The one time he actually made some yards, he should not have picked the ball up, as we had an overlap in the backs. Of course if he ever attempts a pass that would be good too. I also expect them to win more line out, and be stronger in the scrum, all areas he seems week to me.

Doing the bare minimum, plus a charge down is no where near enough, and I know I'm not the only one who feels this way.

 
Re: England Subs
Andrew_quins (IP Logged)
26 February, 2012 11:02
starting xv has been tweeked to give us a good platform. Dickson, farrell, barritt and Manu has real promise i think.

If Lancaster can get the right impact players off the bench then things will be looking good.

 
Re: England Subs
forthewin (IP Logged)
26 February, 2012 12:35
Barrit tackled well, but at what point did he look like making a dangerous break? He is a fantastic defender but just can't attack well enough. Thought stevens was useless and did anyone even realise that Dowson came on? Plus I don't understand why Lancaster brought brown on with 2mins to go.

 
Re: England Subs
ianco (IP Logged)
26 February, 2012 17:45
I think the starting 15 were not far off the best. Ashton is not worth his place at the moment. He is great at coming on the shoulder and a broken field runner. But the wings for England have to run so much ball back. This is his weakness. I would have thought that Sharples would be a better bet at the moment.

 
Re: England Subs
DOK (IP Logged)
27 February, 2012 09:33
Brian Moore "England let down by poor substitutions against Wales"

[www.telegraph.co.uk]

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The replacements who came on for England gave away a kickable penalty (Matt Stevens); ran sideways, then threw a poor pass that ended with a penalty (Ben Youngs) and lost the ball in contact for the winning score (Courtney Lawes).

If Lee Dickson was not injured then the decision to replace him with Youngs was at best questionable because Youngs has not looked at his best – which is very good – for some time. You have to ask what Lancaster thought Youngs could do that Dickson had not or could not.

If, as I suspect, the change was pre-planned or simply followed current thinking, then it was the wrong call and this sort of ‘auto-swap’ needs rethinking.

 
Re: England Subs
Nookes (IP Logged)
27 February, 2012 12:06
ONE REPLACEMENT who made his mark DESPITE all odds was Mike Brown! Flood's looping pass for replacement Brown to feed Strettle, who charged for the line only to be held up by two defenders! If I was Welsh would be so pleased Brown wasn't on for the full time!

 
Re: England Subs
bra'tac of chulak (IP Logged)
27 February, 2012 12:41
The point was made earlier in the thread that Dickson was replaced because he was knackered.

The intensity of test matches is very different to the Premiership ... whether Dickson can develop the stamina necessary to last the full 80 minutes remains to be seen.

Why do you think Youngs was consistently taken off after 60 minutes for England ?

 
Re: England Subs
Banstead Quin (IP Logged)
27 February, 2012 12:55
I would like to have seen Brown go at Halfpenny rather than pass to Strettle. I believe he may have had more of an impact. At the least, it could have been recycled and still in play.

Ashton needs game time for his club, as does Youngs to show that they are back on form. Sharples for me and I'd consider giving Foden some time to reflect as he hasn't really done much since last years tournament in a white shirt.

Banahan, really? Is that the big, powerful, destructive winger who couldn't barge past Shane Williams at Twickenham last year when 1 on 1?????

Stevens, time to go out to grass, no pun intended!

 
Re: England Subs
Mr_B (IP Logged)
27 February, 2012 13:06
have ot been impressed with the back three in all the games so far. Thought Brown deserved abetter chance to show what he can do than 3 minutes. Ashton and Foden for me were awol during the match, youngs should not be on the bench let alone the pitch at the moment he is dire.

 
Re: England Subs
Fursty (IP Logged)
27 February, 2012 13:08
What's so depressing is that we all knew in advance that the replacements would be dross. Starting XV did excellently to be let down by a couple if players picked on reputation rather than form.

 
Re: England Subs
Quinten Poulsen (IP Logged)
27 February, 2012 13:36
I thought England were really poor from the moment Farrell kicked the penalty at the start of the sin-binning. Most of the subs made daft errors but something needed to change as England were letting the game pass them by.

 
Re: England Subs
Heath Quinn (IP Logged)
27 February, 2012 19:30
At least they were staying ahead on the score board while the game passed them by.

 
Re: England Subs
SASSIE (IP Logged)
28 February, 2012 09:20
NorthernMonkee.
You ask when 2 brothers last played for England.
I cannot give you the actual dates but the Underwood brothers (Tony and Rory) both played for England at the same time.[And their mother, Anne, was leaping about in the stands like a whirling dervish ~ splendid.]

May I agree with the majority. the Subs were shocking on Saturday, save for Mike B. To give him 2 mins was mean and disgraceful, he is infinitely a better than Foden. It should have been Mike for the whole game and Foden for 2 mins. And assuredly, Charlie Sharples should have been on the Wing.
We are regrettably back in the old routine of Head Coaches selecting their favourites instead of on merit.

I would have Dean Richards for England. Lucky Newcastle.

 
Re: England Subs
Jammy Git (IP Logged)
28 February, 2012 10:43
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Nookes
ONE REPLACEMENT who made his mark DESPITE all odds was Mike Brown! Flood's looping pass for replacement Brown to feed Strettle, who charged for the line only to be held up by two defenders! If I was Welsh would be so pleased Brown wasn't on for the full time!

Most people I know who've commented on that have been pretty negative about Brown's actions there - I haven't seen a wider view so I have no idea if he should've hung on and drawn a defender first or what. Either way, it was just a pass smiling smiley

Edit: Having watched the replay in the other thread, I have to say I think Mike should've drawn the defender. Oh well. As everyone has pointed out, giving him 2 minutes at the end of the game is not particularly fair.



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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 28/02/2012 10:55 by Jammy Git.

 
Re: England Subs
Quinten Poulsen (IP Logged)
28 February, 2012 11:14
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As everyone has pointed out, giving him 2 minutes at the end of the game is not particularly fair.

I think some people are about to write to their MP about it. Some hilarious comments on here!

 
Re: England Subs
Jammy Git (IP Logged)
28 February, 2012 11:15
smiling smiley

I do think that bringing an international newbie on for 2 minutes in a ridiculously high intensity match is a mistake.



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Re: England Subs
Quinten Poulsen (IP Logged)
28 February, 2012 11:17
Depends on the reason, surely?

 
Re: England Subs
Rocker (IP Logged)
28 February, 2012 11:27
Surely unless Foden was broken (seemed ok to me) then it was basically pointless.

I don't agree that Brown should have done more to fix the defender, he had potentially 3 on him, easy for one of them to mark Strettle and still leave 2 to cover him, Strettle is the finisher. I think Strettle should have gone for the corner. If he had the cover tackle wouldn't have got there before he got the ball down which would have meant that it might have been seen being grounded.

 
Re: England Subs
Jammy Git (IP Logged)
28 February, 2012 11:33
Quote:
Quinten Poulsen
Depends on the reason, surely?

It didn't look like an injury, Brown's been getting cameos at the end of matches, and the majority of our subs are seemingly pre-planned. It's an assumption but a reasonable one.

Rocker, as I see it had Brown sprinted forward he would've been past the guy trying to cover him (the defence had to turn due to Flood's long pass*) and 1/2p would've been forced to cover him rather than Strettle.


*Incidentally, criticising Flood's pass seems a strange thing to do. Wales were blitzing and had it gone "through the hands" the move would've been dead in 2 passes.



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Re: England Subs
RodneyRegis (IP Logged)
28 February, 2012 13:28
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1908
Selection and substitutions are a learning curve. SCW made some pretty strange ones during his early England tenure.

All coaches have their favourites and sometimes that blinds their reasoning.Lancaster seems to have a soft spot for his two northerners on the wing.Neither should be considered for the next game.In fact the whole back 3 needs to be changed.

Any good wing worth his salt would have scored the try Strettle missed in the dying seconds.Banahan has his critics,but he would have been far more effective than either Ashton or Strettle.

We can talk all night about the Strettle effort.But one thing is for sure.If Warburton had been England's 7 they would have won that game.Imagine a back row with Robshaw at 6 and Warburton at 7.


Back 3 for next game.
Perm four from Brown,May,Sharples and Banahan.

Sorry, he's an international coach. OK, it's interim, but nevertheless. 99% of people watching that game, if asked, would've kept Youngs off the field. Probably even a high percentage of Tigers fans.

 
Re: England Subs
T-Bone (IP Logged)
28 February, 2012 13:30
foden wasn't injured - he said in his column that he was disappointed to be taken off. mike probably could have run another metre or so but really the match should have been won long before then. I do reckon that had that been at quins mike would have put his head down and gone on his own.

Rather than bring mike on with 2 to go I'd have got rid of ashton much earlier and put foden out on the wing. ashton just doesn't look interested at the moment

i see that jth, joe and mike have all been called up for training again. maybe it is doing them the world of good but it must be frustrating for conor, and for the players

an international team is no place for people to be trying to rediscover form. in cricket you often see players sent back to their counties to get some practice and the same should be done with ashton and youngs

webber and stevens should just be sent back for good. I understand the argument that stevens cover both sides of the scrum but he's in so ineffective and such a liability that I'd rather have someone who can only cover one side and risk having no replacement

 
Re: England Subs
Quin Like Flint (IP Logged)
28 February, 2012 13:41
I think criticising Brown or Flood is hopelessly presumptuous. Wales were "blitzing" with two defenders against four (Halfpenny was coming from the other side of the pitch and made up a huge amount of ground to eventually get across). Who knows what would have happened if Flood had done something else. Likewise the angles and speeds of the runners once Mike got hold of the ball cannot be properly judged from any video I have seen.



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Re: England Subs
RodneyRegis (IP Logged)
28 February, 2012 14:39
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I think criticising Brown or Flood is hopelessly presumptuous. Wales were "blitzing" with two defenders against four (Halfpenny was coming from the other side of the pitch and made up a huge amount of ground to eventually get across). Who knows what would have happened if Flood had done something else. Likewise the angles and speeds of the runners once Mike got hold of the ball cannot be properly judged from any video I have seen.

all that I have been able to conclude is that if Stretss had gone for the corner, he probably would have made it. Instead he came inside and got caught. What is for certain is that had Mike delayed the pass, the defense would have had Stretts covered. I think Mike took the only option he could have. The idea that he would have been able to go through 3 defenders himself, when we haven't managed to score against an organised defence in 3 6N matches is derisory.

 
Re: England Subs
Jammy Git (IP Logged)
28 February, 2012 14:41
It really isn't certain that the defence would've covered Stretts had Mike drawn his man - that's kinda the point about drawing the defender...



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Re: England Subs
Quin Like Flint (IP Logged)
28 February, 2012 14:52
Did Mike even have a defender to draw? The defence was not aligned neatly in front of them. Halfpenny and Davies were both covering across. In trying to "draw" Halfpenny he may well have been clobbered by Davies from the side.

 
Re: England Subs
Jammy Git (IP Logged)
28 February, 2012 15:39
Davies was the man he should've drawn. Davies and 1/2p were racing across, North was beaten by the pass from Flood. Strettle was tackled by 2 men when it should've been a 1-on-1 at worst.



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Re: England Subs
Quin Like Flint (IP Logged)
28 February, 2012 15:54
So, you don't think he could have got past Davies and drawn Halfpenny any more? As I said, impossible to make these kind of calls from the TV.

 
Re: England Subs
Jammy Git (IP Logged)
28 February, 2012 16:33
I got the names mixed up before. As it was, he didn't draw the man in front of him (Davies) or Halfpenny. He had already beaten North.

Had he committed Davies, Strettle would've had an easier time of it against a player having to sprint to cover - hell, 1/2p may have been forced to slow up to cover Mike as well. But giving the early pass without committing anyone meant two players tackled Strettle.



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Re: England Subs
Quin Like Flint (IP Logged)
28 February, 2012 16:48
And if Flood had passed further in front of Mike he could have strolled in unopposed, and if Strettle hadn't checked back off his right foot he could have got past Halfpenny and Davies, and if, and if, and if .... all just as easy to claim from those pictures.

 
Re: England Subs
Jammy Git (IP Logged)
28 February, 2012 16:55
Eh, that's a little silly. Flood's pass was great - it had to loop to avoid being intercepted - and whatever Strettle did we're discussing whether Brown could've made things a lot simpler for him.



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Re: England Subs
Quin Like Flint (IP Logged)
28 February, 2012 16:57
I'm not talking about the loop, I'm talking about the angle, and my whole point is that this is all kind of silly!

 
Re: England Subs
Jammy Git (IP Logged)
28 February, 2012 17:08
Flood's pass was fine - designed to beat the blitz and given the distance he did a good job. But Brown didn't do anything to help Strettle, and that's not fine. Which is why I originally found it bizarre that people praised Brown for his impact on the match in that move - unless they're Welsh and I didn't realise it...

As for Strettle not going for the outside, I can totally see that point of view.



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Re: England Subs
Heath Quinn (IP Logged)
28 February, 2012 18:27
Brown did help Strettle, he gave him the ball quickly.

 
Re: England Subs
Jammy Git (IP Logged)
28 February, 2012 18:48
Why did that help him?



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Re: England Subs
Heath Quinn (IP Logged)
28 February, 2012 19:01
So a winger would rather receive the ball delayed?

 
Re: England Subs
Brown Bottle (IP Logged)
28 February, 2012 19:05
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Sorry, he's an international coach...99% of people watching that game, if asked, would've kept Youngs off the field.

Doesn't that rather suggest that there isn't really anything to being an international coach?



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Re: England Subs
Heath Quinn (IP Logged)
28 February, 2012 19:08
Not necessarily, the really good ones makes calls that 99% of people wouldn't make, which turn out to be inspired, rather than "poor".

 
Re: England Subs
Jammy Git (IP Logged)
28 February, 2012 20:43
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So a winger would rather receive the ball delayed?

Surely it depends on whether delaying would help. In that situation, passing early simply meant that the defence had one person to concentrate on and more time to cover across.



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Re: England Subs
Jammy Git (IP Logged)
28 February, 2012 20:45
Quote:
Brown Bottle
Quote:
Sorry, he's an international coach...99% of people watching that game, if asked, would've kept Youngs off the field.

Doesn't that rather suggest that there isn't really anything to being an international coach?

Well, their jobs during the 80 minutes of play are fairly straightforward. It's all the other stuff outside that that makes them different to everyone else smiling smiley



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Re: England Subs
mid_gen (IP Logged)
29 February, 2012 06:02
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Heath Quinn
So a winger would rather receive the ball delayed?

Erm yes, if the delay meant the defender had to commit to the passer.

Brown could have straightened and held on a fraction of a second, but there really wasn't that much space, wouldn't have made much difference in this case imo.

 
Re: England Subs
Heath Quinn (IP Logged)
29 February, 2012 07:10
Only if his angle was straight.

But with three defenders, holding onto the ball would not have given Stretts much more space. He can only commit one defender, the rest head for the winger. Passing quickly give the winger the most time and space. Things wingers love. Personally I think if there is fault, you need to look at Flood. I understand that he needed to loop the pass, but that does not mean it has to arrive above and behind Brown.

I know there are plenty of people who just don't like Brown, and if he had held onto the ball, straightened the line, they would be criticising him for using Strettle's time.

 
Re: England Subs
Jammy Git (IP Logged)
29 February, 2012 09:26
I strongly reject the suggestion that I don't like Brown and I think it's unfair to play that card, particularly given how easy it would be to claim that people are only defending him because he's a Quin.

There were two defenders for Brown to worry about - Davies (ahead of Brown) and Halfpenny (who was rushing across having started in the 10 channel at the ruck). Both of them tackled Strettle.

North was already beaten by the pass.

I do think Strettle could've done more - i.e. go for the outside - and he has form for this as he blew a simple 1v1 in NZ a while back by doing nothing to fix his defender, but that doesn't mean that Brown couldn't have done more.



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Re: England Subs
Nicksb (IP Logged)
29 February, 2012 09:39
I agree JG - I dont think either player did enough but its unfair to single either of them out.

And besides, its much more fun to blame the ref!!

 
Re: England Subs
Heath Quinn (IP Logged)
29 February, 2012 10:05
JG, I never said you don't like Brown, but some people don't. I know you are not the only one blaming him, so it was a more general comment. One might almost say you protest too much. Or that you should realise it's not all about you, you know....

[:wor kid:]

Personally, I'm with Nick, a better pass from Flood would have given both Brown and Strettle more time and less ground to make, Brown could have drawn a defender slight more, and Strettle could have gone for the corner and dived earlier. All these things are contributing factors. To single one out over the others is a bit myopic in my view.

 
Re: England Subs
Jammy Git (IP Logged)
29 February, 2012 10:32
Well quite - the comment that started me off on this was the one that claimed Mike had "made his mark despite all odds" for that pass, so you can see why I thought that was being pretty myopic grinning smiley



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Re: England Subs
Nicksb (IP Logged)
29 February, 2012 10:35
I couldn't imagine George North not scoring from that distance though - regardless of the pass.

 
Re: England Subs
Brown Bottle (IP Logged)
29 February, 2012 10:37
Quote:
Well, their jobs during the 80 minutes of play are fairly straightforward. It's all the other stuff outside that that makes them different to everyone else

Sure - but it's what he did in the 80 minutes that many, including BCM I think, are saying lost England the game.



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Re: England Subs
Quin Like Flint (IP Logged)
29 February, 2012 10:48
Quote:
Jammy Git
Well quite - the comment that started me off on this was the one that claimed Mike had "made his mark despite all odds" for that pass, so you can see why I thought that was being pretty myopic grinning smiley

Although that came from a new poster (AFAIK) who just seemed excited to have seen MB on the pitch. Pretty forgiveable really.

 
Re: England Subs
Jammy Git (IP Logged)
29 February, 2012 11:17
Quote:
Brown Bottle
Quote:
Well, their jobs during the 80 minutes of play are fairly straightforward. It's all the other stuff outside that that makes them different to everyone else

Sure - but it's what he did in the 80 minutes that many, including BCM I think, are saying lost England the game.

Yes. It also happens to be the only stuff we're privy to apart from team selection.

Quote:
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I couldn't imagine George North not scoring from that distance though - regardless of the pass.

Aye. Or even Ashton.



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Re: England Subs
Nookes (IP Logged)
29 February, 2012 11:45
Daily Mirror article..

[www.mirror.co.uk]


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