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Nick Evans
Rugby101 (IP Logged)
03 March, 2012 07:37
Another poor performance. His predictability as a playmaker was only matched by his woeful kicking last night and he is just getting worse as the season progresses. Admittedly not helped by a spineless performance from our forwards but he is normally so reliable in those sort of circumstances.

CoS should be focusing on Quins. Not picking the next England coach.

 
Re: Nick Evans
ianco (IP Logged)
03 March, 2012 08:04
Bring back Rory.

 
Re: Nick Evans
LUMP 03 (IP Logged)
03 March, 2012 08:29
Hush now ...... bring back Arwel Thomas.


In NEv we trust!

 
Re: Nick Evans
03 March, 2012 08:31
I personally think the real problem was with JTH last night, to me he looked really slow, (along with Tom Guest) and he offered nothing for Nick to pass to.

However, Nev, did not have a good game but I dont know of many backs that did, may be Brown and Ugo being the only ones.

What really annoyed me last night was the second rows gettting in the way constantly and stopping all attacks or running with any support.

 
Re: Nick Evans
LUMP 03 (IP Logged)
03 March, 2012 08:36
UQS - think the organisation of Falcons defensive line was also a part. They were running in almost a gang blitz whereby the first man took the player of the ball from breakdown, regardless of pass, and another 2 would often be flying up sharper than normal to the mid field and again taking the man at all costs. It strangled the flat game we like and forced us to either need to set up again or play the ball deeper.

 
Re: Nick Evans
Rugby101 (IP Logged)
03 March, 2012 08:55
An obvious tactic for which we had no answer for.

 
Re: Nick Evans
Jammy Git (IP Logged)
03 March, 2012 10:27
Yep, he was poor tonight. Thought he was pretty good against Glaws though so I'm not sure this is a sign of any particular decline.



O Fortuna, velut luna statu variabilis,
semper crescis aut decrescis

 
Re: Nick Evans
STC (IP Logged)
03 March, 2012 10:35
Just can't agree with 'a spineless performance from the forwards.' Aprt from a couple of lineouts towards the end did we lose many balls? No. Did we get pushed off our scrum ball? No - infact the opposite happened as the second half progressed. Did we allow them to cross the line from ruck or maul - no, we defended well. Did we concede a shed load of turnovers? No we played well against a big physical pack.Remember we lost 2 forwards in quick succession. When a serious injury occurs and there's a long delay, every sports pyschologists will tell you that it impacts the side who suffer the loss. I thought we did did well, not least considering our recent record. Not sure which game Nicksb was watching, but what I saw was not spineless. It was gutsy and earned us 2 vital points.

 
Re: Nick Evans
Heath Quinn (IP Logged)
03 March, 2012 10:46
Nicksb has been in a very bad mood for quite some time now.

There is a certain truth to what he says, but he takes it too far. Just as some take things too far the other way when we win.

 
Re: Nick Evans
The Kid (IP Logged)
03 March, 2012 10:56
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Nicksb
An obvious tactic for which we had no answer for.

We know dude, but you sounds like a broken record. Your point is valid, but tone it down a bit. It's tedious.

 
Re: Nick Evans
Rugby101 (IP Logged)
03 March, 2012 11:00
I'm just calling it as I see it.

We got bullied up front and we could still be playing now and not have scored a try. We've been completely worked out and offer absolutely no plan B. Personally I don't think that's good enough for the top side in premiership with ambitions to be one the best teams in Europe. Tigers, Sarries and Saints will all be licking their lips at the prospect of meeting us in the semis and I'd rather not get nilled again.

 
Re: Nick Evans
Stooperman (IP Logged)
03 March, 2012 11:00
It wasn't Nick's best match. Surprisingly though, he's a human being and can't be expected to perform well in every single match. Even Brown and Robshaw have the odd off day, but its much more noticeable when your 10 does it!

Anyway, I thought you might all want to check this link, and congratulate our new highest point scorer of the professional era ...........drum roll.........

Mr Nick Evans

[www.quins.co.uk]

 
Re: Nick Evans
Still watching (IP Logged)
03 March, 2012 12:43
It seems at least two Nicks are having bad weekends.

 
Re: Nick Evans
Harley Quin (IP Logged)
03 March, 2012 23:20
Nick Evans is the best 10 our famous club has ever had. For goodness sake...........

 
Re: Nick Evans
1988JPCF (IP Logged)
04 March, 2012 08:46
I wonders how long the usual suspects would roll out the "Evans is rubbish" thread.zzzzzz

Try playing alongside a back row that gives no protection or alongside care and JTH when they play like that. Didn't have a good game who did?
Also I think a touch line converted penalty to rescue 2 points for the second week running is enough.

As Austin Healy said recently - when carter does not play evans is the best fly half in the world and he is, who else would you have in, priest land, sexton, parks, trin-duc, steyn?? Exactly

2 weeks off now get back gray,CR, mo, robson at home to bath, 4 points and everyone happy again.

 
Re: Nick Evans
Rugby101 (IP Logged)
04 March, 2012 09:31
I'm not a usual suspect at rolling out the 'Evans is rubbish line' though.

And its a bit pointless praising his kicking for getting us a draw when he missed 3 that would have won it for us.

 
Re: Nick Evans
Wheelyaquinandson2 (IP Logged)
04 March, 2012 09:50
Calm down, Nicksb. Yes, Nev isn't at the top of his game right now, give him time, he'll recover.

 
Re: Nick Evans
thomh (IP Logged)
04 March, 2012 10:45
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Nicksb
CoS should be focusing on Quins. Not picking the next England coach.

I'd be surprised if that amounts to anything more than a few meetings on days when Quins weren't training anyway. I'm sure we'll cope. Saracens have made a much bigger concession to England this Six Nations, remember.

 
Re: Nick Evans
Nev's Left Boot (IP Logged)
04 March, 2012 10:53
I thought he played well, in that he recognised the blitz and decided to chip and grubber through - felt he was let down by slow dummy runners committing no defenders and 'real' runners being too far behind the mainline, making it easy to pick off when the pass came.

 
Re: Nick Evans
Samquin (IP Logged)
04 March, 2012 11:02
Two weeks running he has also landed pressure kicks at the end of the game to ensure we took some points home.

 
Re: Nick Evans
Rugby101 (IP Logged)
04 March, 2012 11:03
His kicking costs us the win. Not good enough.

 
Re: Nick Evans
Wheelyaquinandson2 (IP Logged)
04 March, 2012 11:20
What probably cost us the win was the decision, not the kick. IMHO we should have gone for the corner.

 
Re: Nick Evans
Stooperman (IP Logged)
04 March, 2012 11:40
Quote:
Nicksb
I'm not a usual suspect at rolling out the 'Evans is rubbish line' though.
And its a bit pointless praising his kicking for getting us a draw when he missed 3 that would have won it for us.

But Gopperth was just as bad, and on his home pitch. I suspect there must have been something about the conditions which just didn't show up on the TV.

 
Re: Nick Evans
DOK (IP Logged)
04 March, 2012 11:50
I think both those kickers could slot kicks from the touchline in hurricanes if they were on song. Kicking well is all about handling the pressure. Both kickers were, for different reasons, under pressure to perform. Each kick magnified in importance and so each putting more pressure on the kickers. If any other FH in the prem had played, you'd have applauded their courage in the shots they took and wouldn't have been unhappy with their strike rate.

 
Re: Nick Evans
Monte (IP Logged)
04 March, 2012 12:11
I felt no one was really chasing the kicks whether grubber or otherwise?

 
Re: Nick Evans
1988JPCF (IP Logged)
04 March, 2012 12:46
Nick Are you using your own top class rugby career as a yard stick to nevs goal kicking?!!

The two best goal kickers in the league missed 3 each.. He hit the postbfrom 40 yards out and not one of the kicks was straight forward.
Would anyone else in the club have nailed that pen last kick of the game?

The bigger concern for me we have no plan B and we won't win the AP without it.

 
Re: Nick Evans
GladstoneQuin (IP Logged)
04 March, 2012 12:52
Nicksb didn't Gopperth miss three also so if all the kicks were successful it would have still been a draw. Just a thought.

 
Re: Nick Evans
Still watching (IP Logged)
04 March, 2012 13:09
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GladstoneQuin
Nicksb didn't Gopperth miss three also so if all the kicks were successful it would have still been a draw. Just a thought.

No you are totally wrong. It was Nick's fault we didn't win just as it is his fault it is raining. I believe the World financial crisis is his fault as well as he once went into a bank.

 
Re: Nick Evans
Rugby101 (IP Logged)
04 March, 2012 13:15
Nev missed 3 out of 6.

50% is not good enough in any game.

 
Re: Nick Evans
Harley Quin (IP Logged)
04 March, 2012 14:19
I'm sure that Nick would agree that he would aim for better than 50% success. The top kickers would want to average 75-80%. Overall, his success rate is much better than 50% - it just wasn't on the night.

Not sure why you would want to rip a player that has been fantastic for the Club since the day he first arrived. He has delivered so much for us already and will do again in the future. His +/- is massively positive.

 
Re: Nick Evans
kevin (IP Logged)
04 March, 2012 14:37
Quote:
Harley Quin
I'm sure that Nick would agree that he would aim for better than 50% success. The top kickers would want to average 75-80%. Overall, his success rate is much better than 50% - it just wasn't on the night.
Not sure why you would want to rip a player that has been fantastic for the Club since the day he first arrived. He has delivered so much for us already and will do again in the future. His +/- is massively positive.

Whoa there! No he hasn't. There have been many occasions and some extended periods in a season when i have noticed he has not taken responsibility,not taken games by the scruff of the neck, which from a 'world class 10' I would expect him to do. Especially against such a woeful side as Falcons. Wouldn't blame him totally but flack has to go his way sometimes. Let's not treat him with kid gloves. He is certainly not invincible as good as he can be.

 
Re: Nick Evans
SussexMightyQuin (IP Logged)
04 March, 2012 14:40
Cannot believe that Quins best ever 10 is taking so much flak. "Class is permanent, form is temporary". What short memories some people have.

 
Re: Nick Evans
Rugby101 (IP Logged)
04 March, 2012 14:44
His missed kick at Connacht cost us a place in the last 8 of this seasons HC and one of those missed kicks on Friday could yet cost us again at the end of the season.

 
Re: Nick Evans
TitusQuin (IP Logged)
04 March, 2012 15:00
Nicksb seems to think forwards score the tries then does he by suggesting we wouldnt score if still playing???? There was a plan B and that was the scrum getting us out of the proverbial. Compare that result with last years when we didnt even get a bonus point but managed to go on and beat munster away and stade in the Amlin or in the 08/9 season when we finished second with a HC quarter final when again we lost up there! HArd place to play especially when the ref is as weak as he was with cheapshots and at breakdown in first half.

Nev agreed isnt at his best he has missed kicks which would normally put teams under pressure and open up more chances for us to get away from them but not turning them into points keeps sides fighting! However this is merely a blip for a world class player, more of a concern would be Danny's form which has been poor all season.

I would also call into question the non selection of Ross where his pace might of made the difference against a well drilled defensive unit!

 
Re: Nick Evans
QuinAlan (IP Logged)
04 March, 2012 15:04
Holding my head in my hands reading this! Who would you guys seriously want if Nick were not with us?? Second best 10 in the world still, has kicked some unbelievable kicks for us this season at a very high average, has pace to burn, superb distribution, not frightened of the rough stuff, can play 15 too if required, & can make something out of nothing. What a tremendous player he is. You lot must be drinking some very bad beer! Lighten up please!

 
Re: Nick Evans
SussexMightyQuin (IP Logged)
04 March, 2012 15:12
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Nicksb
His missed kick at Connacht cost us a place in the last 8 of this seasons HC and one of those missed kicks on Friday could yet cost us again at the end of the season.

So he's made some mistakes. Now tell me a player in world rugby who never does?
Can you suggest a better 10 for us Nicksb?

 
Re: Nick Evans
kevin (IP Logged)
04 March, 2012 15:23
Quote:
QuinAlan
Holding my head in my hands reading this! Who would you guys seriously want if Nick were not with us?? Second best 10 in the world still, has kicked some unbelievable kicks for us this season at a very high average, has pace to burn, superb distribution, not frightened of the rough stuff, can play 15 too if required, & can make something out of nothing. What a tremendous player he is. You lot must be drinking some very bad beer! Lighten up please!

Seriously think it's you that has been imbibing too much,Alan! Besides, who has said anything about replacing him? No need for the overreaction to some reasonable criticism of a very good player. I'd disagree with you to some degree about him having pace to burn. Sometimes makes a good break but pace to burn...nah. Carry on holding your head, Alan, it's a hard world on message boards.

 
Re: Nick Evans
Rugby101 (IP Logged)
04 March, 2012 15:25
Nev has been great for us in the past but he's not delivering for us at all at the moment.

I'd expect the '2nd best fly half in the world' to kick more than 3 out of 6 every game he plays.

 
Re: Nick Evans
SussexMightyQuin (IP Logged)
04 March, 2012 15:33
Quote:
Nicksb
Nev has been great for us in the past but he's not delivering for us at all at the moment.
I'd expect the '2nd best fly half in the world' to kick more than 3 out of 6 every game he plays.

Yes. Pre-Christmas (only a couple of months ago!) was fantastic as were the whole team. Since then we all know that performances have been patchy (as is Quins habit through winter) but no team goes without bad patches through a season. Guess I must be on the same beer as QuinAlan!

 
Re: Nick Evans
The Kid (IP Logged)
04 March, 2012 15:35
Quote:
Nicksb
Nev has been great for us in the past but he's not delivering for us at all at the moment.
I'd expect the '2nd best fly half in the world' to kick more than 3 out of 6 every game he plays.

And by and large, he does. He's been phenomenal for us but sometimes even gods are human.

We have a 3 week break to sort things out. The internationals will come back. Goatman et al will return from injury and we will finish strongly and get a home semi. Now is an excellent time to steady the ship.

 
Re: Nick Evans
QuinAlan (IP Logged)
04 March, 2012 15:54
The one critiscm I do have of Nick is that he plays too much! We don't have adequate back up in his position. He was carrying an injury recently & that definately affected his kicking. I remember particularly holding head in hands during the Chris Malone era, so am grateful for a top quality 10 who most other clubs would love to have.

 
Re: Nick Evans
Still watching (IP Logged)
04 March, 2012 17:01
Quote:
Nicksb
Nev missed 3 out of 6.
50% is not good enough in any game.

I'm sure it hasn't gone unnoticed that this is a change from your earlier argument that it was his fault we didn't win the game.

 
Re: Nick Evans
Rugby101 (IP Logged)
04 March, 2012 17:03
No it isn't.

 
Re: Nick Evans
kevin (IP Logged)
04 March, 2012 17:03
Here we go again!

 
Re: Nick Evans
Still watching (IP Logged)
04 March, 2012 17:13
Quote:
kevin
Here we go again!

Not at all Kevin. No argument necessary. See his posts of 11:03 and 13:15 today. I defy anyone to say the are saying the same thing. (Except Grandad obviously).

 
Re: Nick Evans
Rugby101 (IP Logged)
04 March, 2012 17:17
Well they are actually. Nev's kicking cost us on Friday and a 50% success rate isn't good enough in any game. No change in argument there.

 
Re: Nick Evans
quinshead (IP Logged)
04 March, 2012 17:32
To blame Evans Is simplistic to the extreme

 
Re: Nick Evans
forthewin (IP Logged)
04 March, 2012 17:35
I think everyone is getting a bit confused , Evans is a brilliant player who is going through a period of poor games and especially last night. Nobody is whatsoever suggesting we drop him or get rid of him, that would just be plain silly. He is still a brilliant player and has saved our skins on many occasions!

 
Re: Nick Evans
Rugby101 (IP Logged)
04 March, 2012 17:36
He gets the plaudits when he kicks well.

 
Re: Nick Evans
The Kid (IP Logged)
04 March, 2012 17:36
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Nicksb
Well they are actually. Nev's kicking cost us on Friday and a 50% success rate isn't good enough in any game. No change in argument there.

Same for both sides. Gopperth was just as bad and both are normally pretty good. Neither side's kicking won or lost them the game. Our lack of control of tight situations cost us 2 points but to solely blame the kicker is, as has been said, a little bit misguided.

I would reiterate my point about stuck records from another thread but i fear it would only fall on deaf ears. Give it a rest, mate.

 
Re: Nick Evans
Rugby101 (IP Logged)
04 March, 2012 17:40
In a tight game you rely on your kicker. Nev let us down.

And just because you don't like my opinion doesn't mean that I should stop posting it.

 
Re: Nick Evans
Harley Quin (IP Logged)
04 March, 2012 18:22
Edited coz it's not worth arguing about. I just find this thread staggering....



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 04/03/2012 18:28 by Harley Quin.

 
Re: Nick Evans
1988JPCF (IP Logged)
04 March, 2012 19:47
Here here HQ, yes people do have their own opinions but at least twice a year since he's joined the usual bore offs come out with these type of threads...

I thought NEv won us two points ?! Strange


If you want to constantly slate a fly half get yourself down to Adams park you'll have something really get excited about.

 
Re: Nick Evans
Rugby101 (IP Logged)
04 March, 2012 20:04
Actually I've never started a thread solely slating Nev and I've rarely criticised him before recently.

If you're happy with his performance on Friday then I guess you and I just have different levels of expectation. After all, we were facing the mighty European club force that is Newcastle.

 
Re: Nick Evans
Mr_B (IP Logged)
04 March, 2012 20:07
Nev did not lose us the game, the team only got us a draw!

how simplistic to lump all the blame onto one player for our failure to win. The team failed to win and several players had poor performances including Nev, the budgies also had something to do with it.

This thread beggars belief.

 
Re: Nick Evans
AP (IP Logged)
04 March, 2012 22:14
I should think there at least 9 Premiership sides and 12 French sides who would be happy to recruit Mr Evans if you are sacking him ...

 
Re: Nick Evans
PQ2 (IP Logged)
05 March, 2012 10:24
- I agree with AP.
Far better to have him shot, poisoned & strangled, then put in a box with weights & flung into the river Crane. Then no-one else can have him.

- Later, if anyone asks, just say that NEv sleeps with the fishes....

(Sm14)

 
Re: Nick Evans
Still watching (IP Logged)
05 March, 2012 14:42
Quote:
Nicksb
Well they are actually. Nev's kicking cost us on Friday and a 50% success rate isn't good enough in any game. No change in argument there.

Are you on drugs? If not you should be. You make two different points then repeat the two different points and still claim they are the same!

Anyway not really worth debating with someone who has such a tenuous grip on reality so I'll leave you to wallow in your own misery. Have a miserable day.

 
Re: Nick Evans
Rugby101 (IP Logged)
05 March, 2012 14:47
There's only one of us drugs here. And you can't debate anymore because you are wrong.

 
Re: Nick Evans
The Prof (IP Logged)
05 March, 2012 14:54
For heavens sake, can you two please trade insults somewhere other than on the board

 
Re: Nick Evans
Quinky Kin (IP Logged)
05 March, 2012 15:02
Ummm... one point that doesn't seem to have been mentioned: early in the game on Friday NEv took at least one hefty late hit from a Tongan bulldozer who was trying (and failing) to do a poor impression of Big Mo. It's possible that NEv was mildly concussed or dazed for at least a part of the game - he did take a while to get up again. I only saw the highlights so can't comment on his whole game.


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