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Callum Clark
RodneyRegis (IP Logged)
19 March, 2012 10:13
Lengthy ban? How was this missed by the officials?

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Re: Callum Clark
DOK (IP Logged)
19 March, 2012 10:17
Well I had to replay the youtube clip twice to see what the fuss was about, the officials didn't have that option.

 
Re: Callum Clark
Rocker (IP Logged)
19 March, 2012 10:27
Snapp, had to watch it twice myself. Looks like he twists or pulls the Tiggers player's arm. Not nice, hardly along the lines of stamping on delicate parts or gouging though.

 
Re: Callum Clark
arfa (IP Logged)
19 March, 2012 10:29
I did wonder what had happened to the tigers hooker.
One for the citing officer i would have thought.



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Re: Callum Clark
DOK (IP Logged)
19 March, 2012 10:30
But if England had done that to get Mike Ross out the game, all Ireland would be up in arms. (yes, pun intended).

 
Re: Callum Clark
Jammy Git (IP Logged)
19 March, 2012 10:37
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Rocker
Snapp, had to watch it twice myself. Looks like he twists or pulls the Tiggers player's arm. Not nice, hardly along the lines of stamping on delicate parts or gouging though.

I think it's worse. The player's trapped, Clark gets him into an arm bar, the whistle goes and Clark puts his full weight into basically trying to snap it.



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Re: Callum Clark
T-Bone (IP Logged)
19 March, 2012 10:42
had to watch it twice too but looks like a very very nasty piece of thuggery. Would want to see a better clip but if there was intent then I hope he gets a long ban.

 
Re: Callum Clark
Stoopendous (IP Logged)
19 March, 2012 11:13
Really very nasty. What a cowardly thing to do. Man is a tw*t. Hope the commissioner throws the book at him. Would say that the Leicester player has a strong case for assault too.

 
Re: Callum Clark
Heath Quinn (IP Logged)
19 March, 2012 11:27
I doubt he'll even be cited. Based on the fact that the citing commissioner missed Melck's gouge a couple of weeks ago, and that was in plain view, he'll never see this one.

 
Re: Callum Clark
Jammy Git (IP Logged)
19 March, 2012 11:28
Tigers management are well aware of it so I expect they'll be doing their best to make sure the citing commissioner has a look.



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Re: Callum Clark
Scamble (IP Logged)
19 March, 2012 11:30
he has plenty of previous

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nasty, nasty man

 
Re: Callum Clark
Ro (IP Logged)
20 March, 2012 18:17
Update today confirms that Hawkins' arm is broken and he will be out for the rest of the season.

It was originally thought to be a hyper-extension of the elbow.



'But hey, what would I know? I'm just a Gurl!'

 
Re: Callum Clark
Jammy Git (IP Logged)
20 March, 2012 19:09
Citing Commissioner has till Thursday afternoon apparently.



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Re: Callum Clark
JC Quin (IP Logged)
20 March, 2012 21:47
I have met Calum Clark and he's a really nice bloke. MAssive overreaction from the lot of you to not even consider that it was an accident. If you're stripping someones arm off the ball you just tug as hard as you can and hold and don't necessarily stop the second the whistle blows.

Don't any of you actually play rugby?

 
Re: Callum Clark
Quinten Poulsen (IP Logged)
20 March, 2012 22:06
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I have met Calum Clark and he's a really nice bloke

Oh that's okay then!



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Re: Callum Clark
ninjaboy (IP Logged)
20 March, 2012 22:50
Cheap shot, nasty play. At least he didn't nut anyone
this time, though.

 
Re: Callum Clark
Jammy Git (IP Logged)
20 March, 2012 23:36
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JC Quin
I have met Calum Clark and he's a really nice bloke. MAssive overreaction from the lot of you to not even consider that it was an accident. If you're stripping someones arm off the ball you just tug as hard as you can and hold and don't necessarily stop the second the whistle blows.
Don't any of you actually play rugby?

If you're stripping someone's arm off the ball you don't get it off the ball then put your force into bending it the wrong way.

And all of it happened after the whistle.

Watch how modern rugby players get players off the ball. It's nothing like what Clark did. Thankfully.



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Re: Callum Clark
Scamble (IP Logged)
21 March, 2012 08:47
What about the other video with the flying headbutt? Nice bloke indeed.....

 
Re: Callum Clark
Jammy Git (IP Logged)
21 March, 2012 10:26
[www.thisisleicestershire.co.uk]

Quote:
"Rob has fractured his elbow and he will be out for eight to 12 weeks," said Cockerill.
"We hope it will be looked at by the Rugby Union's disciplinary authority.

"It's a pretty horrendous injury and if Calum Clark is deemed to have done that on purpose by the powers-that-be and found guilty, it's a pretty poor act.

"In my opinion, it is as bad as I have seen on a rugby field.

And it's been said that he broke his arm in 4 places. I shudder to think at the force you have to apply to do that to someone.



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Re: Callum Clark
Scamble (IP Logged)
21 March, 2012 10:31
don't forget, he's a nice bloke really....

 
Re: Callum Clark
TitusQuin (IP Logged)
21 March, 2012 10:36
Danny Grewcock was a really nice bloke off the field but didnt stop him getting into trouble on it!!

 
Re: Callum Clark
Rocker (IP Logged)
21 March, 2012 10:45
Hmm, seems to have some real anger management issues. If the broken arm is a result of that incident and if it was deemed to have been done with forethought and malice then he needs to have the book thrown at him frankly.

 
Re: Callum Clark
Lebowski (IP Logged)
21 March, 2012 11:02
J C Quin quite how you conjure up the scenario whereby Clark was
Quote:
stripping someone's arm off the ball
from that incident is way beyond my comprehension.

 
Re: Callum Clark
DOK (IP Logged)
21 March, 2012 12:03
As said elsewhere, Cockerill not happy

[www.thisisleicestershire.co.uk]?

 
Re: Callum Clark
Nemoquin (IP Logged)
21 March, 2012 17:07
According to Twotter, he's been cited.

 
Re: Callum Clark
Nicksb (IP Logged)
21 March, 2012 17:12
I'm more interested in Grandad's opinion on the matter!!

 
Re: Callum Clark
Wheelyaquinandson2 (IP Logged)
21 March, 2012 17:51
Such a nice bloke....he breaks your arm, he headbutts you he punches and gouges and all with that silly (what me ref?) grin..

Back in the day,it used to be said that every side needs a psychopath, well, plus ca change..

 
Re: Callum Clark
Quinten Poulsen (IP Logged)
21 March, 2012 18:17
Who did he gouge?



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Re: Callum Clark
arfa (IP Logged)
21 March, 2012 21:34
[www.bbc.co.uk]

On the BBC website now.

Interesting to see how this one pans out. If I recall correctly Deano was charged with an act contrary to good sportsmanship.

Anyway, innocent until proven otherwise.

 
Re: Callum Clark
RossM (IP Logged)
22 March, 2012 09:10
Such a nice bloke....he breaks your arm, he headbutts you he punches and gouges and all with that silly (what me ref?) grin..

In my book, that's not a grin, it's a smirk!

 
Re: Callum Clark
Wheelyaquinandson2 (IP Logged)
22 March, 2012 16:47
OK Ross, let's compromise and call it a grirk!

 
Re: Callum Clark
MightiestQuin (IP Logged)
23 March, 2012 10:15
Maybe even Calum Clark is too much for the Saints. They have suspeneded him with immediate effect. Good on them I say.

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Re: Callum Clark
23 March, 2012 11:36
The usual pre-emptive strike, I assume?



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Re: Callum Clark
DOK (IP Logged)
23 March, 2012 12:35
Could he have played this weekend if the club hadn't banned him?

 
Re: Callum Clark
JC Quin (IP Logged)
23 March, 2012 16:57
Having looked at the video again it does look bad. Fair enough. He is a good guy off the pitch though, and deserves a proper hearing.

 
Re: Callum Clark
GladstoneQuin (IP Logged)
23 March, 2012 21:14
The minimum length of ban he should receive is the same amount of time it will take Rob Hawkins to play competitive rugby again. If its 6 months then so be it why should Hawkins be the only one to suffer.
But with the saints suspending him the citing board will probably show leniacy and let him play again this season.

 
Re: Callum Clark
kevin (IP Logged)
23 March, 2012 21:38
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Nicksb
I'm more interested in Grandad's opinion on the matter!!

Give it a rest. The board aint all about you versus ...

Watching it actually made me feel quite skwiffy.



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Re: Callum Clark
Nicksb (IP Logged)
23 March, 2012 22:15
It wasn't supposed to be a serious comment Kevin. So why don't you give it a rest?

 
Re: Callum Clark
kevin (IP Logged)
24 March, 2012 09:09
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Nicksb
It wasn't supposed to be a serious comment Kevin. So why don't you give it a rest?

Then why bother? Another 'look at me' throwaway line?

 
Re: Callum Clark
Nicksb (IP Logged)
24 March, 2012 09:15
I don't really know what point you're trying to make kevin.

 
Re: Callum Clark
Jammy Git (IP Logged)
25 March, 2012 11:51
They showed the other angle on Sky before the Saints game, I've taken a look at the recording. Clark knows exactly where the ball is as he can see it and that doesn't stop what he's doing. It's as clear as day sad smiley



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Re: Callum Clark
blakedownquin (IP Logged)
29 March, 2012 11:38
It has been announced today that Rob Hawkins has signed a new contract with Leicester

 
Re: Callum Clark
Jammy Git (IP Logged)
29 March, 2012 12:16
Yeah, they honoured a verbal agreement they had with him prior to the injury. Nicely done.



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Re: Callum Clark
Stooperman (IP Logged)
29 March, 2012 13:10
Hats off to Leicester - a classy gesture.

Agree with the poster above who said that Clark's ban should be for at least the length of time Hawkins is out of rugby. In fact maybe this should be adopted into the citing rules - if oyu end someones career by premeditated foul play, that's the end of your career too.

 
Re: Callum Clark
gregory p (IP Logged)
29 March, 2012 13:44
Presumably he signed the contract with his left hand or just marked it with a X.

 
Re: Callum Clark
twickenham yeti (IP Logged)
29 March, 2012 20:30
He got a 32 week ban! Result.

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Re: Callum Clark
Jammy Git (IP Logged)
29 March, 2012 20:42
32 weeks is pretty lenient given the scale of the crime.



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Re: Callum Clark
GladstoneQuin (IP Logged)
29 March, 2012 20:53
Great news like i said in an earlier message on this thread if rob hawkins can't play because of the injury then neither should he. About 7 months that should make him think twice about doing that again.

 
Re: Callum Clark
RodneyRegis (IP Logged)
29 March, 2012 22:17
Really? The season's almost done. He's back in november. Games bans please, not time.

 
Re: Callum Clark
GladstoneQuin (IP Logged)
29 March, 2012 22:23
RR its got to act as a deterent to foul play not just a slap on the wrist, in my eyes a correct decision.

 
Re: Callum Clark
RodneyRegis (IP Logged)
29 March, 2012 23:00
I think you misunderstand me. I'd have liked to see him get a couple of years.

 
Re: Callum Clark
GladstoneQuin (IP Logged)
29 March, 2012 23:58
Sounds good to me RR Seconded

 
Re: Callum Clark
Heath Quinn (IP Logged)
30 March, 2012 07:49
I thought it might be longer, but 32 weeks is a long time, so no real complaints from me. Don't forget this hangs over Clark's head for the rest of his career. Anything else and this will be taken into consideration as they say.

 
Re: Callum Clark
Arlecchino (IP Logged)
30 March, 2012 08:55
As said above, most of the 32 weeks is in the off season. Should be within season ban



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Re: Callum Clark
JJQuin (IP Logged)
30 March, 2012 09:02
Agree ban isn't long enough but including the summer does mean no chance of going to SA which must have been a possibility as he was a Lancaster favourite.

 
Re: Callum Clark
Quin Like Flint (IP Logged)
30 March, 2012 09:47
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Arlecchino
As said above, most of the 32 weeks is in the off season. Should be within season ban

He was in the EPS, so his summer was potentially in season as well. They are supposed to take non-playing periods into account when they work out the bans, but I'm not sure how that can be done at the point of sentencing, especially with a borderline international like Clark.

 
Re: Callum Clark
DOK (IP Logged)
30 March, 2012 10:41
[www.therugbyblog.co.uk]

It was an accident according to the disciplinary panel!
That might explain the lenient ban!

 
Re: Callum Clark
Heath Quinn (IP Logged)
30 March, 2012 11:16
Impossible to prove what he was thinking so they can't convict him of intentional damage.

Length of the ban suggests to me they had some doubts.

 
Re: Callum Clark
Quinky Kin (IP Logged)
30 March, 2012 11:19
Quote:
Scamble
don't forget, he's a nice bloke really....

Ah yes, the famous "Kevvy" defence... winking smiley

 
Re: Callum Clark
arfa (IP Logged)
30 March, 2012 12:27
If the panel didn't find it to be unintentional the ramifications would be much more serious.

 
Re: Callum Clark
claire_m (IP Logged)
30 March, 2012 14:48
The judgement:here

 
Re: Callum Clark
claire_m (IP Logged)
30 March, 2012 14:56
OK, I've just read it. It seems that the ban (which was set by JJcool smiley was worse than the worst punch which would have led to a suspension of 52 weeks (top of scale). 12 weeks (the time that Hawkins is out) was then added and this amount was then halved due to remorse and character.

There was no other time scale to equate it to, so Blackett had to go with what he felt was appropriate.

The injury sounds nasty though and it looks as if it was compounded by another Saint not allowing him (Hawkins) to roll away.

I hope that Clark has a long look at himself and is able to control his aggression, otherwise a promising rugby career will be cut short. I also hope that Saints support him through this.

 
Re: Callum Clark
Quin Like Flint (IP Logged)
30 March, 2012 15:05
Says that the entry point for deliberate injury to another player (as opposed to just deliberately hurting them) is 5 yrs. They did not consider this to be deliberate injury. Clark's explanation was that he was trying to roll Hawkins away and did not realised he was pinned down, so would not roll.

Procedurally it all makes sense, right up to the bit where JJB says

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Judge Jeff Blackett
Since this is a long sanction it will run continuously through the summer vacation without a break.

So, he carefully worked out the sanction and then decided that because it was "long" that an arbitrary chunk of it didn't matter. Eh?

 
Re: Callum Clark
arfa (IP Logged)
30 March, 2012 15:43
Statement from Saints saying that in light of the injury being found to be unintentional, "the club is bound to consider the merits of an appeal".

I would have thought it best to just let it go as quietly as possible

 
Re: Callum Clark
claire_m (IP Logged)
30 March, 2012 15:52
Quote:
arfa
Statement from Saints saying that in light of the injury being found to be unintentional, "the club is bound to consider the merits of an appeal".
I would have thought it best to just let it go as quietly as possible

I'd have to agree - especially as Clark pleaded guilty AND his ban was effectively halved and has been allowed to run during the summer break.

Accept it, move on and have a quiet word to a few of your players would be my advice!

 
Re: Callum Clark
Jammy Git (IP Logged)
04 November, 2012 12:51
Bumping this for something interesting I found on another forum. My views on Clark are pretty clear - I think he's got a screw loose and we've seen it several times. I think he got very, very lucky that the panel decided the arm break was "reckless but not intentional" which given the clarity of the video replays I strongly disagree with.

Clark said this on twitter yesterday:

I have been to some dark places over the last 32 weeks. A lot of people have had a lot to say. Im going to take my turn.
@Calumclark89

I am ashamed and sorry for what happened. I have taken a long hard look in the mirror and blame nobody but myself. I have learnt a lot.
@Calumclark89

I would like to thank my club who stood by me, and my teammates who have had to carry me for such a long time.
‏@Calumclark89

Today couldn't have been much tougher a challenge. Once in a lifetime. We did out best and lost.
‏@Calumclark89

Thanks.
‏@Calumclark89






I appreciate the fact that he's not making excuses. It's fairly clearly an admission of guilt (I appreciate that he can't actually come out and say he did it on purpose because it leaves him open to legal action - the thought had crossed my mind that the RFU panel were trying to avoid the same thing with their decision) and at no point does he try and deflect. It seems genuine. I hope he has managed to fix himself, because otherwise he's a player I don't want in our sport.

On the strength of nothing more than a few lines, I'm prepared to 'wait and see'. Certainly yesterday he went out of his way to be the peacemaker, and it'll be interesting to see whether this is truly a reformed character, or just a Joey Barton self-delusion.

Losing the Barton hairstyle might help though! smiling smiley



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