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Quote:RleQuin
Did they really think people would not ask the questions that have been posted so far?
Just about sums up the Club's belief that we are doing well.
RleQ
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Just about sums up the Club's belief that we are doing well.
RleQ
Quote:Quinky KinQuote:RleQuin
Just about sums up the Club's belief that we are doing well.
RleQ
Where has the club proclaimed that we're doing well?
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Just about sums up the Club's belief that we are doing well.
RleQ
Where has the club proclaimed that we're doing well?
That's why I said "belief", I never said "proclaimed"
RleQ
Quote:RleQuin
Did they really think people would not ask the questions that have been posted so far?
Just about sums up the Club's belief that we are doing well.
RleQ
Quote:Quaking Quin
Only two key questions to ask JK:
1. What are your aspirations for winning trophies?
2. What is the time-frame for winning them?
If the usual 3 to 5-year opt-out for team building is given, then ask what are the targets for each of the intervening years.
Quote:RodneyRegis
Great question there Rleq.
Quote:Quinten Poulsen
Would you prefer that they did get bogged down with them?
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Would you prefer that they did get bogged down with them?
Yes. 100%. No target = no accountability.
How can you run a club on a 'we'll do our best and see what happens' basis, as JK suggested in his interview. This is at the root of the problem. We don't know what the club are striving to achieve, so therefore we don't know if we're achieving or not. Do we want to be winners? Top 4? Top 6? Top 10? Not relegated?
I personally think we should be looking for a top 6 spot as a minimum, with top 4 being a stretch target. Anything less (for the 3rd season in a row) is a major problem.
Quote:Bedfordshire Boy
No, not just you.
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Great question there Rleq.
I thought so too!
RleQ
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Just about sums up the Club's belief that we are doing well.
RleQ
Where has the club proclaimed that we're doing well?
That's why I said "belief", I never said "proclaimed"
RleQ
I see.
Where have the club stated the "belief" that we're doing well?
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Would you prefer that they did get bogged down with them?
Yes. 100%. No target = no accountability.
How can you run a club on a 'we'll do our best and see what happens' basis, as JK suggested in his interview. This is at the root of the problem. We don't know what the club are striving to achieve, so therefore we don't know if we're achieving or not. Do we want to be winners? Top 4? Top 6? Top 10? Not relegated?
I personally think we should be looking for a top 6 spot as a minimum, with top 4 being a stretch target. Anything less (for the 3rd season in a row) is a major problem.
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Just about sums up the Club's belief that we are doing well.
RleQ
Where has the club proclaimed that we're doing well?
That's why I said "belief", I never said "proclaimed"
RleQ
I see.
Where have the club stated the "belief" that we're doing well?
Things I've picked up on in interviews etc
RleQ
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Would you prefer that they did get bogged down with them?
Yes. 100%. No target = no accountability.
How can you run a club on a 'we'll do our best and see what happens' basis, as JK suggested in his interview. This is at the root of the problem. We don't know what the club are striving to achieve, so therefore we don't know if we're achieving or not. Do we want to be winners? Top 4? Top 6? Top 10? Not relegated?
I personally think we should be looking for a top 6 spot as a minimum, with top 4 being a stretch target. Anything less (for the 3rd season in a row) is a major problem.
I think you've probably misinterpreted what he said. There is nothing at all to suggest they didn't set themselves targets, and yes, not having any would be ludicrous. But the season is not going as well as everyone would have hoped so I think he's right in that they don't want to be bogged down in targets they set 6 months ago. Not wanting to get bogged down doesn't equate to not having any.
Quote:RleQuin
I am not prepared to list anything put out or said by the club which I interpret as them believing they are doing well.
RleQ
Quote:Cookie
In business, during a financial year, you have a budget that you aim for. Then a re-forecast. And then maybe one or two more, the final one of which you have to deliver (or else!). Even if you're miles of your original target, you still have to strive to achieve things. And we have very tangible targets in top 4 and top 6. I don't accept that we should just be doing our best in every game and see what happens. It's bonkers.
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I am not prepared to list all the things put out or said by the club which I interpret as them believing they are doing well.
As with all things, you will think something different and I respect your position.
RleQ
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Okay, constantly banging on about how good our home record is - it's now down to just the Premiership. How we have got 14 points from our last four matches (obviously that has changed now).
This is showing the belief and giving the impression we are doing well (as far as I am concerned).
He is just like a politician and avoids talking about the real issues for example (as mentioned on here) - our lack of basic skills, lack of killer instinct, inability to defend properly most of the time. He just keeps saying how well they have done in training during the week.
Well, after the fifth time, you would think that someone might say - I don't think what we're doing is working - we need to change.
Obviously no one has and if they have, he isn't listening. If the players rule the roost, get rid of the offenders. The DoR must be in charge otherwise his position becomes untenable.
RleQ
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Quote:RleQuin
Whatever way you want to twist it QK, it's up to you. To be honest, I am past caring about what anyone at the club says - they all talk the same old rubbish week in, week out. JK, the playing and non-playing staff can blame anyone they want to but it all comes down to the fact we are not a very good side and the club loses money every year (unless some sort of injection is made).
From that I take it to mean
1 - We are not coached/managed very well or the players don't have the ability to improve (or they are doing a Leicester City)
2 - The non-playing side is run incompetently.
RleQ
Quote:RleQuin
Whatever way you want to twist it QK, it's up to you. To be honest, I am past caring about what anyone at the club says - they all talk the same old rubbish week in, week out. JK, the playing and non-playing staff can blame anyone they want to but it all comes down to the fact we are not a very good side and the club loses money every year (unless some sort of injection is made).
From that I take it to mean
1 - We are not coached/managed very well or the players don't have the ability to improve (or they are doing a Leicester City)
2 - The non-playing side is run incompetently.
RleQ
Quote:ArchQuin
as had been said many times before,it comes down to individual supporter expectation - some expect us to be challenging for the title each year and some expect us to be mid-table - I would suggest that those who expect us to be challenging for top spot, will see this as a terrible season and those that don't think it is an 'okay' season - you can tell the differences in the posts !
Quote:RleQuin
Right, so I'm not allowed to say what I think and if I don't like it, I can go away - charming!!
Please do not tell me to stop supporting MY team!
RleQ
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Some people don't have really long memories RlQ!